“The state Senate has passed a bill to allow Tennesseans to openly carry guns without a state-issued permit,” wrcb.com reports. “The chamber voted 25-2 in favor of the bill sponsored by Republican Sen. Mae Beavers of Mt. Juliet. Beavers said the measure would keep the background checks and training requirements in order to carry concealed firearms, but would allow anyone legally allowed to own a gun to carry it openly.” Constitutional carry? Not quite. Concealed carry still requires a permit. Go figure.
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Florida next please.
In Georgia one of the objections to the bill on the governor’s desk is from the police – they don’t like it that the new law doesn’t allow them to stop someone who is carrying and ask to see a permit.
Licensed open carry with a permit is an invitation to be asked for that permit all the time, so it makes little sense. Kind of like unloaded open carry they had in California, which was an invitation for the police to stop people to check that the guns were actually unloaded.
The objection was from the GACP, not most cops. I mentioned that part of the code to my Chief and he said “So what, we don’t bother them anyway. Im not afraid of a gun I can see”
That is the general attitude of GA cops. Open carry is common and accepted.
I don’t think a permit should be required for open carry, so I don’t ask.
Just wait a cotton-picking minute…..
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They got b*tch-slapped recently, they might be trying to make up for it, but this might be a good way to further bust up the ATF’s rulings. This may actually be good.
Good!
“What need is a king, and every now and then if the king’s not doing a good job, we kill him.” – George Carlin
Lots of opinions here. But this is an no win situation for the Bundies.
The US Federal Government owns almost 85% of Nevada. Also from 1/3 to 2/3 of the other Western States. While these lands are referred to as “Public Lands”, in essence they belong to the various Federal agencies that regulate and oversee the lands–Bureau of Land Management, US Forest Service, US Park Service, Bureau of Indian Affairs, etc. And don’t forget other regulatory agencies who have presence in these states big time like the EPA. In other words, you can’t spit without hitting a piece of Federal land just about everywhere. If you live there and want to work on the land, you are going to be up against so many bureaucratic regulations and obtuse decision makers you will not be able to get through the day without breaking somebody’s rules, often arbitrary in nature. Forget the rule of law. It doesn’t apply to regulators. Well, it does but they just ignore it and do as they please. If you attempt to fight them by legal means you are looking at years of stonewalling and many thousands or millions of dollars that most individuals who work ranches or farms out there don’t have. The corporate ranchers and corporate farmers have the money but they use it for lawyers who keep them from ever getting sideways of the Feds. These corporations could give a rat’s ass about the private ranchers and farmers making a living on the land.
I sympathize with the Bundies. Now what? I don’t know. Armed confrontation with a Federal regulatory agency will get you dead by SWAT team from every Fed cop around from the FBI to the US Postal Service. Those guys just live to pop the cap on someone. And once the smoke clears, the Feds always come out the winners and the good guys because they control the information. If you go against the Feds, they will let the world know you were involved in an “armed confrontation”, refusing to comply with law enforcement officers while “barricading” yourself with an “arsenal” in your “compound”. All code words guaranteed to make you out the bad guy before the media and the public.
The alternative to dying for the cause is to kiss Federal ass or start a legal proceedings that will go on into future generations and bankrupt you ten times over.
The sad part is, people will read this and STILL live in their government supplied mental paradise. Some will refuse to wake up.
Le sigh. If the information is correct, I suspect the BLM will make the first move. What follows that is merely conjecture
@Cliff H
When in Germany?? We had same situation in Aschaffenburge. 85 or 86. Raped the niece(I think) of a member of Baader Mienof who just so happened to live in A’burge. Was one of his guards till out of country. Carried M16 locked and loaded and 1911 locked and loaded Everywhere he/we went!!
I hear it’s open season on BLM agents; 15 cents a head. Bag em’ and tag ’em.
Can see the concerns about range carrying capacity, and the lease of grazing lands has a century of precedence so those are valid land mgt concerns..
Most fed LEO (my experience is with USFS special agents, have some MOU with the local LEO sometimes being deputized by the local agency. In that case the BLM would have more authority on a state or county road. If the road was BLM they would have authority w/o question.
And we all know that limiting public info in barricaded subjects is SOP.
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I did something very similar with an old Mosin when the Archangel stocks first came out. I actually pre-ordered the stock while they were in prototype, and since I was going to be making a Bubba-gun, I ordered a second hand-select hex receiver Mosin to keep as a wall-hanger. (It’s been lightly wiped, but I’m not even cleaning out the cosmoline). On my Bubba-gun, I chopped the barrel, removed the rear sight, turned the base down, mounted a Rock Solid scope mount and Rock Solid bolt with a Nikon 3-9×40, and a Firefield bipod. Yeah, it’s heavy and expensive, but it’s not as heavy as the 24″ SS bull barrel AR I built, or as expensive as the MG-53 SA conversion turned out to be. I like the look of the M11 – That may be in my future.
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Those of you who support the government in this, think about this one thing: They are willing to kill him over nonpayment for grazing rights. Let that sink in for a bit.
They will put him in the ground over money they claim he owes them. Does that sound like something you think this country should allow? If they were not willing to do this, there would be no sharpshooters present.
Federal land. Who pays for the upkeep? This land belongs to the American people. BLM is like most federal agencies. They can’t agree with each other on how to do anything. This land has been used by this rancher longer than BLM has been an agency. Should be a grandfather clauses. Next may be your land. Law’s that are being passed while we sleep. This country has seen it’s better days.
This time it could be WaCOW. More likely than ever. I hope the Sheriffs step up and limit fed activity in their counties.
In response to a question regarding whether or not someone who was OCing without a permit was breaking the law or not, Senator Mae Beavers said “I guess they (the police) could ask you your name and do a background check on you, and they’d know whether you committed any felonies or anything that would not allow you to carry legally”.
Unless it is written into the law, and if OC without a permit becomes legal in TN, wouldn’t it be illegal for the police to stop you and demand ID without probable cause?
Except, all his proposed regulations make us less safe. They make the government more secure, they make criminals more secure. But the public and law abiding individual or less safe and more at risk by the regulations he proposes.
You do not protect people or make them safer by disarming them. Disarming the victim isn’t the answer. Unless, you’re a government official afraid that the people might someday get tired of your c***. You’re the only one made safer by these regulations…
Looks like this ruling makes since, given the indexing/pre marking precedents.
That does not make it a good ruling, but it makes it one that is understandable, and predictable, given the history of the ATF in always taking a very strict view on any interpretation of the rules, in that such interpretations favor the ATF over the citizen or business involved.
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God bless oury Consitution and the 2nd. Amendment! Our forefathers knew about governments and the way they think. Piss on the guy in Nevada, do a little gun running, they, the goverment say we don’t have to protect our country (Embassy in Benghazi) and screw our guys their. Oh and let’s turn the IRS onto those righties and control the voting machine. We have nothing but crooks in our house. Hopefully these peon’s in Mexico can defend themselves. Here in our country, we have crooks stepping on our rights nada assault on our Consitution.u
“This is the sort of thing that happens when you register your assault blasters. They said they wouldn’t confiscate. It’s a trap, I said!”
– Admiral Ackbar
I totally agree with open carry. It’s just common sense a would be criminal would think twice if a potential victim is visibly armed. Any criminal that wants a weapon can pretty much get one. EVERY qualified citizen should have the right to openly carry and let it be known to any potential violent criminal that protective measures are in place. Anyone thinking this law would bring about open shootouts needs to reconsider who would start any. Kudos to all involved, and Stacey Campfield is spot on!
Open carry for the State should be legal protected by the federal constitution of my right to open carry. Fine arrest me and let’s go to the higher court and we will see who is more correct!!!
just wanted to say much obliged for the break! My ma is real sick ,please I am asking all especially AMERICAN CHRISTIANS to pray for her. SHE HAS BEEN THROUGH HELL AND NEEDS EVERYONES PRAYER FOR HER PO RECEIVE A DOCTORs Care. the kind that she may need. I appreciate all of my gun carrying and law abiding pals out there , you all are ones of a kind. May GOD bless each and every one of YOU. Psalms 34:15. Thank you , Jesse James DeBord. Scott County, TN.
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I am asking anyone to inform me if what is the latest laws that actually have been signed into law by our Tennessee governor? I’ve been out of action for a few years thanks to these morally insane laws that has indeed haunted me going on 22 years now. But We The People will press on!!!. “Persistence Overcomes Resistance!!!” Drive on, my American Blood Brothers and Sisters. Endure, Never give up, Never give in, look up, pack up, because we’re going up… By the shedding of His blood, We are saved! Thank God. Thank You Jesus, bless His Holy Name. (Take care and wipe out for it to never return of these morally insane laws, that state a person who is convicted of a non-violent felony cannot have their firearm rights restored without, an expungement and a full pardon. all it should take, occording to 18 USC 921 a 20 is an restoration of rights. The prior conviction is supposed to be deleted by the state that it happened in. Thank you. Jesse James DeBord.