A man attempted to board a bus in Battle Creek, Michigan, with an SKS rifle in his carry-on baggage. The rifle was longer than the bag, so the butt stuck out and was visible. Some of the riders called 9-1-1. I wasn’t there, so I do not know the totality of the circumstances, but it seems clear that that no one was threatened by the man, and that the rifle was reportedly unloaded. The police showed up and arrested the fellow for…what? They’re apparently still trying to figure that out . . .
The City’s Gang Suppression Unit responded and took the 25-year-old into custody seizing the gun and a fully loaded magazine. He has not yet been charged. It wasn’t exactly a concealed weapon and it wasn’t loaded but it quickly could have been.
This sounds like the beginning of another false arrest settlement. There have been a number of them in Michigan over other open carry incidents. I wonder what’s meant by “a fully loaded magazine”? Most SKS rifles have a fixed magazine and load using 10-round stripper clips such as this one:
I’m reminded of how Justice Scalia recounted his experience of carrying a rifle on New York City mass transit as a boy, and how no one back then considered it a problem.
Carrying concealed handguns on public transportation isn’t prohibited in Michigan, but a number of transit agencies prohibit the transport of weapons on their vehicles. That might be a breach of contract, but I doubt that it would warrant an arrest.
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“Republicans (those cruel heartless evil BASTARDS!) don’t want to spend any money to promote gun safety!”
Sounds to me like another “disturbing the peace” hummer arrest comin’ up. Some of these know-nothing cops are really getting out of hand. Anybody ever heard of calling a supervisor, maybe a prosecutor?
Wouldn’t it be ironic if the mass media finally said magazine when they meant clip.
But he SCARED people…the moral is cover your rifle a little better.
I have no objection to Glocks. When I was deciding on my first pistol a few years ago, I was torn between a Glock 19 and PPQ. I chose the PPQ. Thousands of rounds later, I have never regretted that decision. (Except maybe when I paid $45 for a 17-round magazine.) But I have chosen to use a CZ P-01 for concealed carry. I just feel safer carrying a DA/SA pistol with a decocker.
If the facts are as reported, he wasn’t carrying concealed, or openly. He was merely carrying. Carrying a cased and unloaded rifle.
He should call Rick Ector (suburban Detroit) who can recommend counsel. Sue the sh!t out of the po-po!!
I feel the same about my hi-points
So, what are the “high points” about your “hi-points”? I am entirely unfamiliar with them.
This article is hilarious…lol It says several people called 911, then comes back to say, we have no idea why the police showed up! Here is a clue, people called 911!!! lol Then they said no one appeared to feel threatened by the man with the SKS, yet several people called 911! lol Alrighty then. Great reporting Mr. Police Hater man.
From Brad: This article is hilarious…lol It says several people called 911, then comes back to say, we have no idea why the police showed up! Here is a clue, people called 911!!! lol Then they said no one appeared to feel threatened by the man with the SKS, yet several people called 911! lol Alrighty then. Great reporting Mr. Police Hater man.
Here is the article from above:
“Some of the riders called 9-1-1. I wasn’t there, so I do not know the totality of the circumstances, but it seems clear that that no one was threatened by the man, and that the rifle was reportedly unloaded. The police showed up and arrested the fellow for…what? They’re apparently still trying to figure that out . . .”
The article does not say “we have no idea why the police showed up” . It wonders why the man was arrested.
The article does not state that “no one appeared to feel threatened”. It says “it seems clear that that no one was threatened”. Why, you might ask? Because the man was not arrested for threatening, it was never said that he removed the rifle from his luggage, and it was not claimed that he said any threatening words. People can “feel” threatened for many reasons, and they can call 911 for many reasons, not all of them valid or benevolent. Because someone calls 911 does not mean that the person that they are calling about did anything wrong.
I’ve had everything as well. what do I always return to? Gen3 G19.. no matter the price tag or sexiness of other guns, nothing beats it.
I’m ashamed to admit I’ve never shot a G19.
Paul! You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself! 😉
You should never admit it even if true. The 19 is a decent gun. the 21 is a better gun. At least in my hand.
I currently own neither.
With the importation laws on semi-auto’s the way they are what else can we possibly import that has not already been banned?
Except for a small handful of neutered AK’s, Tavor’s, and some semi-auto shotguns everything else we consider a military standard has either been declared obsolete by the manufacturer no longer made (FAL, G3, HK-33, Galil, AR-70, FNC, Daewoo AR-200 etc.), outright banned (Chinese rifles and pistols), or made domestically now! (SCAR, FS2000, PS90, ARX-100, AUG, SIG rifles, etc.)
Don’t forget the rifles sitting in Korea, SVT-40’s, Hakim’s, and other old steel & wood surplus beauties that have detachable magazines with those evil bayonet lugs!!
Buses are public and preempted, any policy against arms is unlawful
Agreed–MI faced that same issue with lawful open carry in libraries and it was ruled as such.
I like my guns dumb, one of us being smart and doing the thinking is plenty, a smart gun might disagree with my intentions.
I ran about 50 rounds thru a G17 yesterday. I wasnt real impressed, something about the grip didn’t suit me, I kept having to find the sights after each round. With both my M&P and my XD, the sights simply drop into alignment again ready for the next trigger pull. With practice I could probably shoot one well, but it just wasn’t comfortable.
Luv my combat tupperware…the G26 is an excellent EDC gun.
#3 and #4 for the win! He is a Democrat, therefore a fascist and therefore not to be trusted. Any words he speaks are therefore suspect.
I have had a similar experience, Paul. My first pistol purchase as an adult was a G17. After that, I wandered happily through the forests of SIG, FN, Ruger and others, but my EDC today is a G27. (I keep the FNX .45 on the nightstand, though – I rather prefer putting an obstacle or two between my groggy trigger finger and a fired round.)
Glock 36, the best carry Glock IMHO.
Is it possible that some of the money went here:
http://www.smarttechfoundation.org/
Another interesting link was of a person that was very unhappy with “Smart Tech” for not delivering.
The Smart Tech Foundation: Failing to deliver on its Sandy Hook Promise?
“I know…it’s not my money. But when people announce their philanthropy using the Sandy Hook Promise while standing in the company of parents whose children died there, it carries a certain sincerity that should not be violated. ”
http://www.apexmindworks.com/blog.html
Of course they later go on to peddle their own companies product, which detracted from their outrage a bit.
“We at ApexMindworks care and we are not going to wait while the talk drones on.
We will continue to develop our student/school safety program because it is the right thing for us to do.”
That is a lot of money to not account for.
Ask Obama, for some more AR- 15’s.
Would it be insane of me to suggest a proven program, like NRA’s Eddie Eagle, to educate about gun safety, could use some money training volunteers to speak at schools?
How about, sending newb gun-user responsible citizens to the range, to get handgun safety training, and a couple of test shoots, using what works best for them. Like the senior citizen who might need an equalizer.
How about helping local school districts by spending that money for local LEOs to provide basic gun training to vetted volunteers at schools- parents who volunteer for lunch monitor, playground, teachers who want to carry, but could use the help paying for ammo, getting periodic updates on training.
Thats a LOT cheaper than hiring another schools resource officer.
Lets dont forget how much of the $7B of the ARRA money went to subsidize teachers, thanks to unions lining up for the money, when the ‘shovel ready’ projects that weren’t couldn’t spend it all fast enough.
So, watch this space…lets see where the money REALLLY goes- you know community outreach for gun-safety ….MDA, MAIG, Evolve and all the variants that will undoubtedly be popping up looking for a handout, in exchange for being on narrative…
hey, if ACORN/SEIU and Doctors for ACA could do it for Obamacare, why not?
Maybe Shannon Watts or Commander Kelly will get appointed as a czar or something.
Reminds me of Leland Yee.
Mexico needs the NRA ….
So thankful the pre crime police keep us safe.
Heres to the good guys winning! Theyd better, for their families waiting at home, inside the barricades.
To the last video. That is if there is a navy left by then.
I’m with you. I’ve had Sigs, HKs, a stupid expensive 1911, A gaggle of Smiths, a Beretta and a Ruger. In fact I still have some of them. But Glocks and Kahrs are the only pistols I still bother shooting enough to stay half proficient with. To me, the favorite features is that they work reliably, and FEEL THE SAME WAY regardless of caliber and frame size.
Of all my guns, My p220 still the one that does it for me, and if I were to be stuck with only one open carried gun from now ’til forever, it would be the one. But I’ve had bad luck with any smaller version; and even the small ones, just aren’t all that small. With both Glock and Kahr, it’s all the same; from the smallest CCW sized gun, to their “Practical-tactical” laserbeamers.
I have a norinco that came with a detachable 40 round mag and it works great.
I have a big Leghorn that Id love to test this theory on, But it’s the wife’s best layer.
Bingo. In my state there are more guns than there are people and we consistently have the lowest rates of gun violence in the nation, and it’s because our kids have guns.
It would seem to me that if a soldier cannot be trained to responsibly carry a sidearm the soldier should be removed from service. I know exactly what goes on with young men, many away from home for the first time and in the company of peers who share their lack of maturity and decision making skills and I have no illusions about just how irresponsible and even outright ridiculous their behavior can be.
I also know that when it comes to the ‘important stuff’ the military has a way of conditioning them to evidence the correct behaviors and this would simply be one of those ‘important’ things. It’s probably not necessary or perhaps even advisable to arm every soldier on a base, however if squad leaders and above can be trusted with leading men, they can surely be trusted with a sidearm while doing so. To suggest otherwise would be a clear indication that the man had no business in leadership in the first place.
If they could integrate the pic rail into the base to bring the overall height down an inch…maybe.
I guess I’d have to try it, but you’d think a micro version for a pistol would be more appropriate.
This is the same BS they do in England. I’m shocked–shocked to find out that gambling is going on in this establishment!
A few points from the comments.
IF the military wanted to, buying enough pistols would not be a problem. All they need to do is budget it.
There is no need to conceal anything if they were to do that. Just standard military pistol rigs.
As far as soldiers carrying their personal weapons..The military will never go for it. Different guns, revolvers, auto’s, 9mm, .40,.45,.38….blued, chrome, Kydex holsters, retention holsters, leather holsters. How do you write a regulation for that? Nothing happens without a regulation.
In modern police service there are really only a few “Types” of handguns. 1911’s, Glocks, Sigs and S&W. basicly all high capacity automatics. Could you make a list of approved firearms and holsters? Possibly, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Some folks are saying military posts are closed post 9/11. Some may be but all are not. My son is a soldier and I have been to Ft Benning several times. I had to sign in but my vehicle and person were not searched. I had my sidearm in my vehicle.
Another point. Soldiers do not have access to military firearms in garrison. The military is super cautious about giving their folks loaded weapons outside a combat zone. The military does not trust their own people to that level.
Does Will it Blend set the wrong tone for People of the Blender?
Congrats. You beat me to it.
http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/
I keep seeing this Arrest now and charge later BS happening.
What I don’t see is how they are getting away it.
It’s simple:
4th Amendment:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”
Probable cause: (To Arrest)
“information sufficient to warrant a prudent person’s belief that the wanted individual had committed a crime (for an arrest warrant) or that evidence of a crime or contraband would be found in a search (for a search warrant)”. “Probable cause” is a stronger standard of evidence than a reasonable suspicion, but weaker than what is required to secure a criminal conviction. Even hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or supported by other evidence, according to the Aguilar–Spinelli test.
Aguilar-Spinelli:
“The two “prongs” of the test are that, when law enforcement seeks a search warrant and a magistrate signs a warrant:
The magistrate must be informed of the reasons to support the conclusion that such an informant is reliable and credible.
The magistrate must be informed of some of the underlying circumstances relied on by the person providing the information.
This information provided to a magistrate will allow the magistrate to make an independent evaluation of the probable cause that a crime has been or will be committed.”
We now use Totality of the Circumstances as the probable cause test, but Aguilar is still on point.
You simply cannot just arrest someone without meeting the above standard. If they arrested this guy they are required to at least file charges for a warrant.
When I arrest someone I am REQUIRED to do one of two things:
1.Issue a citation (Arrest by citation) ( Usually traffic offenses )
2. Fill out a warrant application. This includes my probable cause for the Magistrate.
An exception is arrest by warrant, where a warrant has already been issued.
That is the only way it can be done.
I have one on my AR pistol. Love it. The sight sits on top of a green compact laser.
MY Photo link:
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r576/rogertc2/Arpistolsights_zps5be0d597.jpg
5.7 comparable to .22? because there are so many .22 that penetrate armor. I am sorry just another example of people listening to a guy because he has a youtube channel. the 5.7 has a tiny niche, as tiny as it is it is there. armor piercing with 9mm? 45ACP? good luck.
The only thing missing from that sign is a “no guns or other self-defense weapons allowed” message.
They stole this man’s property and violated both the 2nd and 4th Amendment’s. This is an example of many more I tell people about. The “LEO’s” in this country are nothing but criminals for enforcing ILLEGAL, aka, unconstitutional codes/statutes. And the idiots on that bus, well, they are anti-2nd Amendment apparently even though they have the same rights we have. Only difference is, we choose to exercise our rights, they don’t. This guy was probably going somewhere to have some fun that day target shooting or something and then he ends up KIDNAPPED and his property stolen. He should’ve shot those crooks.