Despite being granted a restraining order, the ATF has apparently raided San Diego area firearms parts seller Ares Armor anyway. Ares sells 80% lowers which the ATF has classified as “firearms.” The ATF has been pressuring Ares to turn over their sales records or lose them in a raid. Given the threats, earlier this week Ares moved for and was granted a restraining order against such a raid. But the above YouTube video appears to show ATF agents rummaging through Ares, apparently confiscating inventory and, you’d have to assume, their computers and customers records. This video is the only evidence we’ve been able to find of a raid so far. Stay tuned. [h/t DrVino]
Wow.
Oh my.
Maggots
I’ll take that bet about gun control trumping Obamacare. A lot of dems will probably stay home because of it, and that will be what wins the day for us IMO. Gun control is just the cold front that starts the lightning; make conservative friends who oppose Obamacare this year, take them to the range. Allies for life.
If the restraining order is still in force ATF is in contempt of court and the government Is looking at big payout to Ares.
If the restraining order is still in force ATF is in contempt of court and the *taxpayers are* looking at big payout to Ares.
There, FIFY
Most people who attempt to sue the government get stonewalled. And even if they do win, why should they care? It’s taxpayer money, not theirs.
Exactly. Or they laugh at you while they run the printing press.
Big payout using taxpayer dollars? I’d think they couldn’t care less. Maybe it would mean a budget increase for them next year. It should be interesting to see what the real story is.
I’m pretty sure the restraining order is still in place. The lawlessness of law enforcement.
And I’m sure the ATF misunderstood the clarification…
W in TF
nutnfancy just did a video where he called the owner of ares armor. what is the basis of the atf raid ares armor does not sell guns how can they raid the shop
Saw that. It appears they do not sell guns. PERIOD.
I think that we really need to visit having dogs in schools. And more school resource officers. And your average citizen should be allowed to carry on school property.
And turtles are the shit. That is all
Don’t forget to bookmark this for the next time white knights defend the ATF as “just enforcers the laws and regulations already on the books”.
Most cops I have found to be honorable and good people.
As for the BATFE. They put the Thug into Jack Booted Thug.
Instead of BATFE, The back of their black thug gear should have JBTE.
I hope they stored those records outside of their building.
If they did get the customer list, what can they do to the buyers? Wasn’t there an “issues” regarding the reverse manufacture of complete receivers into 80%ers? I believe there was also something about pre drilled pin and selector guide holes in the polymer editions that got ATF cranky as well. Loolks like a case of ” respect my au-tho-ei-ti” or else.
If the ATF won’t respect a restraining order, why should that crazy ex who got slapped with one last week. I’m telling you, paper shields.
I’d say that the dems are stuck between Barack and a hard place.
Wow. I guess getting a court order means F$%K all to the ATF huh.
Depends who issues it. If it’s a federal writ it would have to be quashed first… if it’s a local judge who writes it up it means dick-all to federal agents.
The Constitution never seems to mean jack-shit to them so what’s a mere court order supposed to stop?
All I heard about in the media was that the special election in Fl went the way it did because of Obamacare… I think Democrats are going to find that their latest push for useless gun/people control is going to hurt them quite a bit, as a party.
The restraining order is the most recent legal document. You are on my property illegally. You are on my property illegally and armed. Prepare to be shot.
I don’t see a copy of the restraining order. If it’s from his local court (again, I have no idea) I doubt it has any legal power to stop a federal agent from investigating a federal crime. In that case it’s worth less than the paper it is written on.
It’s jurisdictionary shell game BS but you are right.
Some additional, and sobering reading about the results of active shooter simulations in a school setting. Overall– radio and even person-to-person communications go to pot, and you can’t assume the cops will think you’re the good guy. I think the only lesson I’m learning is that you shouldn’t get caught by responding officers with a firearm in hand– sash or no sash you’re more likely to get shot than not. H/t to the highroad.org
http://www.hendonpub.com/law_and_order/articles/2014/02/active_shooter_training_lessons_learned
I hope their data was encrypted just to annoy the BATF.
Government thugs.
And the ATF shows again that they are above the law.
Why spoil the beauty of a raid with a restraining order aka legality. Just like Gibson guitar factory raided by EPA thugs. Who will hold them to account? AG Eric Holder? Sorry I can’t type and LMAO at the same time!
They want the customer data, how dare civilians acquire what was legal last month, can’t be traced, and technically was sold legally.
Absolutely disgusting. The guys at Ares seem like great folks.
I’d hope for some outrage in CA, but that would only happen if they hit a pot dispensary by mistake.
CALIFORNIA, you have more gun owners than most states have total population. When are you gonna wake the f**k up and take back what’s yours?
Here is the restraining order:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/212508154/Order-Clarifying-TRO-Ares-Armor
The key quotation making the ATF raid today legal, assuming they have a search warrant:
“TRO DOES NOT ENJOIN lawful criminal proceedings, include the application for or lawfully executed seizure of evidence and contraband pursuant to a search warrant issued by a sworn United States Magistrate Judge pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 41”
So the judge basically eliminated any effect that the TRO would have had? Wow…
This is the sort of judge who needs a neck stretching to remind his replacement who they work for.
This is some good feedback from the Sgt, but I could definitely use more info from a LE perspective. Especially if it means less room for posts about what MDA had for lunch. 🙂
Word.
What shocks me isn’t that shit like this happens, but that so many people are completely oblivious. So they raided a filthy gun store, who cares? Doesn’t have anything to do with MY rights. Uh huh.
Sadly, it’s true. So many seem to go out of their way to rationalize why they shouldn’t be enraged by government abuses. They’re shirking their responsibilities as citizens of a free nation.
Then can envision no use for liberty. “Nuthin’ ain’t never happened to ME!” It’s times like this I wish I could call in a meteor swarm!
“The people” are way more interested in The Bachelor, America’s got (no) talent, the latest exploits of Miley Cyrus, and Justin Bieber’s pizzle. Bread and circuses.
If I were selling 80% lowers or jigs online, I would have a policy that I would not retain customer data for any longer than necessary to complete the transaction.
Also: Please take cellphone videos in landscape. Thank you. For the children.
I agree. If you need to give the customer some proof of purchase, do so with the packaging or something. Just like buying a donut, we do not need to be bringing paper into this.
Vivek Murthy is to Obama what Harriet Myers was to Bush–purely a political nomination with no occupational merit whatsoever. Even if Murthy wasn’t anti-gun he’s still a hack and deserves to be shown the door.
AA should have walked a few of these parts into Mexico, I’m sure the BATF would have left them alone….then.
Compare and contrast with, say, Richard Carmona.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carmona
Wanted to ban assault cigarettes (cigars) IIRC. I think the theme is that if you give a doctor that kind of power he/she will inevitably propose some kind of ban on something you love. A lot like marriage.
Violation of a court granted Restraining Order. Shouldn’t local Law Enforcement immediately apprehend any and all Federal Officers involved in said raid including Supervisors who issued orders. As well as any and all personnel handling seized property. This is now a case of Criminal Trespass, Theft Of Private Property and Identity Theft. Most likely Grand Theft
1) Read the order, which someone helpfully posted in the comments
2) Go to (non-internet) law school
3) Stop capitalizing Words for no Reason.
Seeing this just furthers my distrust of ATF.
Not me.
But that’s only because I can’t trust them any less than I already do.
This feral pig problem is getting out of control.
He’s really starting to push his luck, isn’t he? Surely he’s not this stupid.
Tom
He is that stupid and stop calling me Shirley.
Wow…and I thought Pat Quinn was the WORST governor in America. Yeah I really think he’s pushing his luck too. Pissing off heavily armed men.
Looks like that tree of liberty needs some watering…
..with the blood of Patriots? Not just yet!
I’d much prefer to water it with the blood of tyrants. Unfortunately it will be watered with the blood of their paid enforcers, a good number of whom probably think these laws are not worthy of enforcement but aren’t willing to put their jobs on the line. Instead, they’ll be putting their LIVES on the line.
The audacity of this governor is insane. I read the headline and was insulted beyond measure. He. Needs. To. Go.
Violating a restraining order…sounds to me like the ATF is doing more than just gunrunning to Mexico…
Meanwhile El Camino’s are being loaded full of rampage.
And the documentary will be called “terms of en-rampage-ment”.
How’d they get this through the Supreme Court already?
So, he stood in front of live TV cameras and lied. Typical Democrat Party c*nt.
Hubris.
“Sir I have just begun to fight”
His mental health argument is, once again, not recognizing that correlation does not equal causation. I’m assuming his map did not include Washington State….
By all reading of DOJ statistics, crime is down.
Now what does that have to do with creating felons out of people who were previously honest people with guns?
Even if there was a clear, direct correlation, it would still take an amendment to the Constitution to make government’s actions even remotely resemble legitimacy. Crazy existed at the time the Constitution, too; yet here we are with shall not be infringed.
It’s great to live in a gun friendly state. I had a blast today at the range. Did have to stop shooting for a bit though because the guy next to me pulled out his Barrett M107 semi-auto to shoot a few .50 rounds at 1000 yards and the blast from the comp could have blown my rifle off the bench! The muzzle blast shook the tin roof! Downrange the normal “puffs” of dirt smoke were more like explosions – COOL.
Today there were people shooting full auto, lots of WWII guns and really cool custom tactical .308 sniper guns, with folding stocks and all.
Again, great to live in a gun friendly state.
I love my SR40C. It has a thumb safety, which I enjoy. You have to hold the slide and push the grip, not pull back on the grip.
“Convincing him not go shoot some on Bass Pro’s range wasn’t as easy. ”
Why the heck would you convince him NOT to shoot his new gun? How’s he gonna know what it feels like to shoot?
Maybe I’m missing something, like you knew a cheaper range somewhere else?
I think it was because the only ammo they had on hand was the Critical defence. Or maybe they were under time-constraints.
That’s exactly what it was. They didn’t have any FMJ
I’m angry because he didn’t get a Wilson Combat .45 masterpiece.
Are we supposed to care that u r angry ?
I found the following contact info for the San Diego ATF Field office from this online PDF document:
http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-5-31st-editiion/atf-ioi-field-offices.pdf
SAN DIEGO III FIELD OFFICE (IO)
9449 BALBOA AVENUE, SUITE 200
SAN DIEGO, CA 92123
(858) 966-1030
SR9C is what I carry as well. Its a great pistol and since I have 4 kids the extra safeties are fine with me.
This is gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
Batten down the hatches, boys.
Well, isn’t that special. HS is a Gestapo, 4th Amendment violation in all they do. These militarized vehicles ought to go down to our damn southern border and keep the illegals from coming in rather than trying to arrest the people who pedal drugs here that the US Government brings in from other countries like Afghanistan. Jeez, Spokane WA has several of these (forward placement for the Feds to use at will)! I could see maybe ONE in cities of over a million but this is not a war zone, yet.
Azman says something about “the system”:
WTF does “within the system” mean? Individual Liberty is the highest ideal, regardless of whatever “system” you choose to place in authority over yourself.
You can’t escape Free Will. Whatever ruler you install over yourself and pay obeisance to, it is YOU who makes the decision to obey the tyrant of YOUR choice.
But no matter whom you choose to make the boss of you, neither you nor your boss is the boss of me. I’m boss of me, and that’s all there is to it.
Man, nice straw man argument there Herr Malloy. The citizen didn’t mention anything about crime rates in his statement, he spoke about letting violent criminals out early and failing to address mental health, while turning to law-abiding gun owners as a scapegoat for sensational crimes.
I would have interrupted him as soon as he offered to give me some “reality” with a raised middle finger and a shout of “F*** You!” the second he had the audacity to imply that I was not enlightened enough to speak about these things.
This man deserves no respect because he offers none.
He. Needs. To. Go.
Sites like this one combat the liberal media which glorifies wrong gun use and ignores the far more common good gun use.
To defeat gun grabbers we need to shock the sheep into seeing what is at stake, We learned this lesson the hard way. For those of us who have been fighting for gun rights for 20 years or more we learned that a solid offense beats any defense anyday.
We attack their “facts”(lies), we attack their careers, we attack anything they say. No attack is unjustified. They stepped up to the plate. They are open targets. Liberals tend to run and hide when it gets tough. That is how we win.
Spot on, AI!
Its time to protect our 2nd Amendment. If we don’t do it now its going to be to late. We all need the band together and stand up for are rights and sign ever gun rights we can if not their gonna take are rights and guns. Its time for us to stand up to our government.
JWM, unfortunately you are not seeing the big picture. Anti 2A forces are throwing mud against the wall, in key areas. And that mud is sticking. All they need is to get a stranglehold on the northeast, which they almost have (NY, CT, NJ, MA, MD) Then they can go state by state, picking them off as they choose till the red states won’t even matter. They could not get it at the Federal level, so they are damn sure gonna try at the state level. Our 2A rights across the states are only a patchwork, because they are not universal like they should be. So the “wins” we have are important, but are minor in comparision to the anti’s advances. Just look at the states that have lawful gun ownership or CCW. There are several that “have it”, yet make it extremely hard. Our victories take long amounts of time to be achived thru the legal system, but they can railroad thru legislation almost overnight. We must all be vigilant, because change for the worse can happen overnight.
So, the ATF need not follow the law, unless they want to. I’ll be expecting another Waco/Ruby Ridge any time now.
I wonder how many of the seized partial receivers are gonna end up in the hands of the Sinaloa Cartel?
Agree with some others above that the MOST important person was left out – the girlfriend who was to use the gun. Does this guy buy her shoes, bras, or panties. I’ll bet not. A firearm is just a personal to the female and unfathomable to the male.
Nothing wrong with Critical Duty out of a full size but for a shorter carry gun you need Critical Defense. Shootingthebull410 is a very helpful man
I stood up and cheered. Then I remember that I’m here all by myself so I sat down again. Well argued and inspirational piece. This is about so much more than gun rights.The second amendment is just one piece of the pie and those fuggers want the whole pie to themselves.
What kind of madman waste beer by shooting at it?
Most knowledgeable folks talking about handguns and ammo would not recommend either the 40 S&W round, nor a Springfield XDm.
Your mileage may vary.
So, knowledgeable folks supposedly “know” something about the .40 S&W round that the “uninformed” don’t? What might that be? Do you have anything to suggest that the .40 S&W round is a poor selection for a self-defense round?
There are good options for all handgun calibers; “knowledgeable folks” know that. They also know that handguns are by their very nature, compromises. As such, each caliber/platform configuration will have certain things going in its favor, and certain detractors.
For example, I carry a full size M&P40 loaded with Winchester Ranger 180gr bonded JHP. This happens to be a round that outperforms most commonly-procured .45ACP loads for both velocity (duh) and muzzle energy. Not to mention it holds more rounds than any .45 does (15+1). While it doesn’t hold as many rounds as a Glock 17 does, it absolutely outperforms the common 9mm loads.
So… What would the “knowledgeable folks” have to say about that? A platform that I shoot exceptionally well, paired with a load that ballistically outperforms both the .45 and 9mm at conceivable self-defense ranges, and comes in 2nd as far as capacity? My money says that the “knowledgeable folks” would concede that I’ve got a pretty solid setup, for a compromise.
My money is also telling me that you aren’t in that “knowledgeable folks” group.
Time to crack some skulls boys.
One wonders if maybe the folks selling these houses tried to get people to come see them when the range wasn’t operating.
Another beautiful young sister of the gun! Terrific, more for our team! Good for her. She is taking responsibility for herself and her protection and not leaving it up to someone else. Here we go again with the caliber wars. Can we stop it already? The best gun and caliber is the one you like. Not what others tell you.
A bit of advice to the men folk who want their ladies to take an interest in shooting. LET THE LADY PICK HER OWN GUN AND YOU SHUT UP! If she wants a pink gun that you hate …. Shut up! Find a qualified FEMALE instructor and pay for the instruction and do NOT stay and watch. She will be intimidated by you. Tell her you are proud of her and can’t wait to go shooting together when she is ready. You will get a big kiss and wonder why you didn’t do that earlier. She will get “bitten” by the gun bug. Then you can buy all the guns and ammo you want without any complaints from her. Before you know it you’ll be buying her guns for Valentine’s Day and Birthdays etc. I know from experience.
Free body armor!!! ;P
+.40. And +1 Alaskan Patriot. I still don’t know why people can’t handle .40 recoil or follow up shots.
and so it begins. not with a loud bang. or a tank rumbling down the street. but with a small no knock raid. our rights are infringed slowly but surely. we must stand together or we will hang separately
Well I guess that goes to show us a Restraining order is just a piece of paper.
Should have set a ton of legos out to make it really uncomfortable to walk OK. Or poor vegetable oil on tile and when these “operators” came in they could play circus music and have the greatest YouTube video ever
even liberal panty-weight judges in Kommiefornia don’t like to be lied to and made a fool of . . . remember the judge who ruled in favor of gun applicants for carry permits in LA. . . . and she had been a prosecutor and member of the police commission.. . . but they told her a bunch of lies and pissed her off.
http://www.calnewsroom.com/2014/01/15/judge-orders-l-a-county-sheriff-to-process-handgun-licenses/
A citizen who intervenes in an active shooter situation in a public place must bear all of the above in mind PLUS he must accept the VERY HIGH probability that responding LEO will NOT WAIT to identify friend/foe/victim. They will shoot at the first thing they perceive as being a threat….and since you the
armed citizen will be armed YOU WILL BE THE THREAT. They shoot people for reaching for a cane.
They shoot people for holding a cell phone or Wii controller. THEY SHOOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE EMPTY HANDS IN THE AIR. Therefore you must assume they will blow your ass away the instant they see you. Plan accordingly.
So much for 80 percent receivers if this stands.
Shot the fifty a bunch today. As it grew darker, the flash from the impact of API rounds on steel was absolutely bitchen. The ring back and echo off the mountains was sheer pleasure.
Even at 500 yards, API’s still go through a 1 inch plate.
Getting to go long at 12 and 15 hundred yards gave us perma-grin.
.308 tracers ignite at about 250 yards and burn out at about 1,000.
Videos???
this is against the law; local law enforcement seem to be involved in the illegal breaking and entering and possible seizure of property. hmmm this is throwing rocks at a hornets nest. it is just a matter of time before this invokes violence against the government.
This rhetoric is a little over the top. Gun control advocates passed some stupid laws and now it’s backfired into what is essentially a catch-22. They would be legit out of their minds to push for forced confiscation. I think most of them are hoping to kick this can past election and letting it die down quietly. I fear they’ll just let this be another unenforced law on the books that will be trotted out to harass people at times.
They are looking to send them lowers to Ukraine this makes things faster. Maybe a few to Mexico aswell. To them honest people ya know.. ..Americans dont deserve guns lol while big o is sending them for other country’s to protect themselves!! Ha
” Remembering that there’s only so much ammo you can carry.” There are only so many weapons I can carry as well, but that doesn’t create a situation where I can have too many guns. Better to have it and not need it than……you know the rest.
Glad you weren’t hurt.
Maybe this should be called “Could Have Been A Defensive Gun Use.”
Glad you were safe. I was about to post that weapons were not permitted on capmetro buses, but upon further investigation I found on their website:
“• Weapons (except licensed, concealed handguns), explosives, car batteries, flammable liquids and other hazardous materials are NOT permitted on the bus.”
Only the state can force a confrontation. If there’s mayhem it will be on the state. “Constitution State” my ass…..
The picture of McConnell holding that rifle just showered a sticky discharge of major-league Fuddness all over my desk.
Blech.
This is a teachable moment for everyone. Events like this are target rich environments. People from out of town are not in their right frame of mind, since they’re here for a good time and subconsciously assume the entire world around them is on vacation. The regular rules of situational awareness no longer apply.
Then there’s the reasonable assumption that a given attendee of such an event would have had alcohol, making them also less vigilant than they might normally be.
If you’re local and alcohol free, hey that’s great, but the criminals don’t necessarily know that. They’re just playing the odds and you’re playing their game. It’s best to do your homework ahead of time and determine what the carry restrictions will be at the venue you’re attending. This is Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo season in Houston, which lasts for weeks, and we have many tourists from out of town visiting. Parking is available throughout the neighboring areas and some shuttles are available here and there. Still, many people end up walking from the venue back to their cars in all directions, down various thoroughfares and side streets. Criminal opportunities abound.
The smart attendee would have visited the event’s website or other appropriate source and determined whether licensed firearms were permitted and under what circumstances. In the case of the Rodeo, they are allowed, although the typical restrictions on carrying while intoxicated are still in effect. Texas is better than most states on concealed carrying, but there are still restrictions.
It’s up to individuals to take responsibility for themselves, know the rules up front, and not make assumptions that leaves them disarmed. You need to know the laws, too, not just what some venue states. For example, our local library had an illegal 30.06 sign posted. Public libraries, as such, are not statutorily designated gun free zones and political subdivisions (cities, counties, etc.) are pre-empted from regulating the carrying of firearms outside of very strict circumstances. This sign was illegally dissuading patrons from carrying by suggesting the library could legally ban firearms. So I contacted the County, outlined the problem, and they instructed the library to remove the sign. The library complied and that sign was down before lunchtime. It was actually a sign consisting of stenciled lettering, not just a single cardboard sign. So someone had to go scrape each illegal letter off by hand. Know your rights, people, and defend yourselves!
Alaskan Patriot, I was responding to another commentator, by “knowledgable” I meant that it’s a relative term. In all honesty, we all need to stop buying into, “jimmy boo carries this gun in this caliber, and he says anything is is crap, so i won’t use it.” It really does no good to buy Chris Costa signaure 1911s and LaRues because it was “built to thier specifications.” My needs are different from your, yours are different from mine, and Costas are different from a young mothers. At the same time if you want a signature series costa gun then get one. Now I’m off to Rambo kick a panda bear.
Sorry, got zero tears for the future terrorists growing up in the Middle East. Maybe they should ask their parents to stop blowing our sheet up. As of 2014, the fact that Islamists are killing Islamists in Syria makes me feel all warm inside.
I’d bet a TV ad asking for dollars to stoke the fighting in Syria would get a better return. Now that I think about it a video like that would have a pretty good chance of going viral.
Well at least for once the ATF didn’t start a really big fire and burn the place down.
See how nice they are?
Sometimes the best way to do things is to be undercover.
By the way, I can’t reply to comments on my iPhone 5 using the mobile browser.
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C’mon, once he was threaten with a raid, the 1st thing he should of did was move the customer data. Scrubbed the hd and started from scratch. All those names are at risk. He got waayyy to comfortable with that RO.