Bernie Sanders used to have remarkably moderate views on guns. After all, he represents Vermont, a constitutional carry state where gun rights are highly valued.
But as the independent socialist sought the Democrats’ nomination for president in 2016 and now in 2020, he’s had to adjust his views on gun rights to fall in line with the donkey party’s prevailing prohibitionist and confiscationist standards.
“The world has changed, and my views have changed,” Mr. Sanders said at the eighth Democratic presidential debate, while also saying he was “proud” to have a D-minus rating from the National Rifle Association now.
“I come, like New Hampshire, from a very, very rural state,” he said. “In Vermont, until two years ago we had virtually no gun control legislation. … I represented that perspective.”
– David Sherfinski in Bernie Sanders on gun control: ‘The world has changed, and my views have changed’
Democrats “evolving” = hold on to your wallet + bury your firearms.
Socialist evolving = hold your guns and bury your gold. Sanders is an enemy of free Americans who don’t want to be slaves to a corrupt government.
Of course, his socialism is different just like every time before – until it isn’t.
“These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?” – Bernie Sanders
In other words, instead of having some rich, some poor and many in between, everyone is poor except for the political leadership who use the military and police to hold onto their riches and power.
Uh… isn’t that what we have now ?
A billionaire Chardonnay Socialist who thinks if he controls the revolution he won’t be among the countless victims. These revolutions have a habit of eating their own in due time.
The Burnmeister say’s he’s a Socalist,however make no mistake about he is a confirmed Communist,who is a carpet bagger from Brooklyn N. Y. not Vermont.
Yes he has evolved and Vermont’s Fudd hunters and the NRA are directly responsible for his rise to federal office.
Free Americans, where does a person find a free American. Certainly not in the U.S.A
Don’t you know we are nation of laws not a nation of freedom. Politicians gonna politic.
According to my college educated kids, the reason Socialism/ Communism hasn’t worked in USSR, Venezuela, Cuba etc is because it was hijacked by dictators. Bernie says it will work here. Hahahahahah!
That was funny for a Sunday morning. ‘Democrats evolving’ as if Darwin was right and they came from monkeys. I guess that means Conservatives are the ones created in God’s image like it says in Genesis. Not what you meant but I was just about to head out to church and that was the first thought in my had.
I do love my country, but I don’t trust any politician with my wallet. (Or access to my gun safe – I mean if I had guns, mine all went down when my boat sank at the lake.)
Gods image was a typo. Gods imagination
God does have a sense of humor.
“God does have a sense of humor.”
Why else would he put the amusement park right next to the toxic waste?
Even Bernies initials are BS, just saying
Nice. That shall be his name henceforth.
Their views never “evolved”. It has always been as it is now. They are just more open about it.
Just as Bernie said, he comes form a statr with virtually no gun laws. If he projected a hard line stance since the beginning how long do you think he would have lasted as senator. No he is more emboldened now because he actually thinks he has a shot for the highest office i. The land.
If you are burying your firearms, YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST.
Better response, train, take a new person to the range.
Take the fight to the enemies of freedom.
Burying or caching a firearm is part of a strategy for an ultimate win.
Statistaclly not really chances are much better you will submit and never use them. Look at Australia and now New Zealand. Believe me I still pray for American Exceptionalism especially in this case.
“Democrats “evolving” = hold on to your wallet + bury your firearms.” Well, only if you accept the democrat premise and and don’t even bother to get off your butt to vote… I think some in Virginia may have finally figured that out. Get off the internet, educate yourselves and pass it on to everyone you know. Truth is on our side, as is reality.
And by the way, concerning voting: NRA Board elections are going on right now. I know a lot of people around TTAG aren’t members and hate NRA for a variety of reasons but those of you who are eligible voting members have an opportunity right now to have some affect on the organization. Only 5%-6% of NRA ballots are ever returned… Need some help in choosing?
I’m hardly a celebrity or got here by using someone else’s money. Tear out the ballot and vote. You do not need to vote for 31, either- just vote for me…
Bury the stupid anti American demorats,put them all in a bucket and there wouldn’t be an America brain between them.Just can’t understand how these people can be against the constitution that so many people have given their lives .
The only thing Bernie is good at, is the chameleon routine. When he came to Vermont 50 years ago he assured everyone that his only platform was the middle class and workers rights, 2A was ok with him. Fast forward to 2020, he’s now one of the millionaires he railed against for decades, his “vision” will destroy the working class, and his subjects have no business owning guns. Starting to see a pattern here? Oh, and ask him how he pushed a bill years ago to allow non residents to vote for him in a Vermont election!
Yep. There’s a reason you mostly hear him railing about the billionaires now instead of the millionaires. I’m young enough to remember Obama saying “at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” Obama’s been working pretty hard to get to that point. He isn’t quite there yet. I guess he needs another 100 million and another $15 million ocean front house first.
These days a millionaire could be someone who simply owns their own home.
And hopefully, as we keep telling the dumbarse reps here in NH through emails and petitions and votes, keep your gun control bills in the trash and work on real issues, like addiction treatment, lowering prescription costs, etc.
All the poop they tried to push that Sununu vetoed is all coming back for another try. Sununu needs to keep his word, NH gun laws are some of the best in the nation and we dont need more unneccesary ones or bogus red-flag crap that strips us of due process and our rights. Call your reps. We the People, or Viginia 2.0 will be this year in NH!
Live free or die. I lived my first 18 years in Nashua. Good luck. I suspect the Massholes are ruining it
“The world has changed.”
Yup. Crime is down and there are mire guns in circulation. So obviously more prohibition is needed.
He’s happy enough to let the party screw him out of the nomination because he’s perfectly fine with his place at the trough.
Seriously, the guy got railroaded by his own party and is fine with it happening again.
What a maroon…….
It shouldn’t be surprising to a socialist that the fruit (Primary votes) of his labor were distributed by the corrupt government based on need. He’s getting exactly the policy he advocates for!
Bernie is not and hasn’t been a Democrat for a very long time.
What other option does he have? Change to GOP? He seems to have fun throwing a monkey wrench into the Dem party. His run in 2016 helped make it even more obvious how rigged the system was for hillary.
“I’ve evolved over the years. I used to be a mere socialist. NOW I’m a communist”…Feel the Bern. Joe MeCarthy was right😩😕😯
There’s no possible way to know what Sander’s true thoughts are on Second Amendment rights. He’s done what most politician’s do to win, adopted the party platform while applying a thin veneer of his own personal style. In other words, a layer of lies and deception to conceal his real positions while appearing to pass the Party’s Purity Test.
There’s another politician in this situation right now, Senator Martha McSally of Arizona. Appointed to serve out McCain’s time after he died, she is now running against the single-issue anti-gun Democrat Mark Kelly, and losing in the polls. Her problem is that her rhetoric changed like flipping a switch. She went from being a very believable moderate conservative (anti-Trump) with a solid military record, to being a total Trumpist. A trick she’s no damned good at, she comes across as lying and faking it every time she embraces a Trump Tweet.
So there it is, two candidates both struggling to maintain their Party Purity credentials just to hold onto the Party True Believer base. Which damages their appeal to moderates and independents.
It is not surprising that Sanders will lose his race with these tactics, but it is surprising to see McSally running a tight race in her Constitutional Carry State against Gabby Gifford’s husband on the single issue of Gun Rights.
I think you have it correctly. Clearly, McSally needs new handlers. She isn’t a sufficiently good liar to pull off this transformation. If she wants to win, she needs to be true to whom she really is…assuming she knows.
The fact that I think he secretly doesn’t give a crap about guns either way makes him perhaps the best candidate on the D side in my mind. I know exactly where bloomy, Warren, Biden etc sit on the issue.
Which means he’ll sell out the 2nd Amendment without a second thought. People who are neutral on critical issues of liberty and freedom should never be trusted with political power. There is no middle-ground when it comes to the 2nd. There are no moderates, only people who will stand aside while coercive “reforms” are imposed.
Constantly “evolving” to whatever he thinks will get him more votes while overestimating the percentage of socialists in the general population.
“Communism will win.” 2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone, West Point graduate, Army combat veteran, hero.
That’s what my elementary English teacher told me in the early 1970’s California. “China is our future”.
He’s not a “combat veteran”.
That phrase used to have a meaning behind it. You used to have to actually go to war, and actually engage in a real fight with enemy. Now every slingin dick that sits in a FOB and hears a mortar round 500 meters away calls himself a “combat veteran.”
The real story….? Democrat policies on criminal justice create our gun violence. The criminals using guns for crime and murder are concentrated in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts. The democrat party judges, prosecutors and the politicians who create the policies keep releasing violent repeat gun offenders from jail and prison. This is the next line of attack to beat back the anti-gun extremists……the link between the democrat party and gun crime has to be exposed. Knock them back on their heels to give the 2nd Amendment a chance to be safe. It isn’t Americans who own guns….it isn’t guns….the problem is the democrat party. They are causing the gun crime problem in the U.S. This has to be told to the public, it has to be exposed in news stories that escape from democrat party controlled news sources……the truth is…the democrat party is the enemy of the 2nd Amendment….while they keep letting violent criminals loose. Any vote for a democrat is a vote to end the 2nd Amendment, so we need to go on offense and deal with the democrat parties link to gun crime…….
Good insights…the violent crime states for the top 20 largest cities (mostly Democrat controlled) in the country seem to support your hypotheses.
Typical democrat strategy. Create a massive problem for which the answer is to always spend more money and give the government more power. If anyone disagrees, they don’t debate you, they just call you a racist, etc., and the media gives them cover.
A good example is the student loan debt crisis, which was already bad, but didn’t truly explode until the government took over the lending back in 2010. Now they want you to pay for the debt of the most privileged group of people in the country. Not only that, but the people that are getting rich from this are the colleges and universities that receive this “free” money and continually expand and update their little patch of paradise. They don’t have to worry about competitive pricing because it is essentially government subsidized. It’s an endless loop of insanity.
I wonder if Red Flag poster women ‘James Campbell’ and ‘Maddmaxx’ will get their respective tongues out of each others’ rectums to give us their hot take on this asshat.
Go pound sand loser troll.
Oh, and enjoy that Taurus.
Roger that Cames Jampbell.
Regarding Sanders – If a person does not have a solid moral foundation, they will say anything even if they don’t understand it or believe it. It’s never clear to me if any of these people believe what they are saying. Or, are they just dim?
Regarding the election in general – I would love to have the chance to vote for a smart capable honest Constitutionalist. Instead, I’ll end up voting the person that might do some of the things I want them to do.
Regarding the odd James Campbell thread going on – I missed the origin of it but I must say, I’m not enjoying it.
Yes, to all you wrote but with an extra dash of cynicism regarding that which is required of candidates to win votes.
100% with you on the James Campbell threads, also. No one benefits from such sniping and derogation.
I come here to learn…and once in a while hazzard a comment. 🙂
I stand admonished. A couple of times a few weeks ago, James made unprovoked derogatory statements towards me in response to my own opinions on matters, and after my initial replies to those, I allowed myself to become pulled in past the point of tasteful wording. You’re correct that it’s not beneficial.
As of now, I’m stepping back out of that realm and will no longer respond to JC. Not worth the time.
I come here to learn. I always read that which you write and have benefited greatly from it. Sincere thanks!!
My view on JC too. I refuse to let him occupy any rental space in my head. I don’t even bother with his replies when the notifications pop up. I just discard his crap to the “Ukranian Women Want You Bad” folder for permanent deletion.
You got notifications of replies? I have tried several browsers and have placed TTAG on my email white list, but I never receive reply notices. I always confirm I have marked the “Notify me of follow-up comments” checkbox. Hmmmm.
“Evolved”, a term they love to use like “common sense”.
The same crap that took us over the same-sex marriage cliff.
Sanders will say whatever it takes to get nominated. Nothing he says means anything (anything good).
He’s is a socialist. That fact about him is not any kind of secret. That’s all I need to know about him. It makes me sick to know that someone like that has even this much of a chance at the oval office.
Norman Thomas, the six-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S. President, said the following in a 1944 speech: “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened…. I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.” And, today, the Republican Party RINOs have adopted it as well. It is no longer a situation of “enemy in the wire”. Today….and for several decades….the enemy sits in the Command Post. America has been overrun.
B.S. also evolved on illegal immigration. He used to stand against it in the interest of less low wage competition for American workers.
I got a text message from his campaign trolls asking if I would support Bernie. I said no. And dont contact me again.
LOL, I got an unsolicited robo-text from the Bernie campaign team today asking me for my support and extolling the “virtues” of free education and healthcare. I replied with a request to be removed from their call list, and added a “MAGA 2020” at the end. To my surprise, I received a follow-up text apologizing for the inconvenience and confirmation that my cell # had been removed from future msgs.
Got it too, you happen to be in a Union industry or shop? Texted them to buy some rope and go to the nearest tall tree. That’s the only use I have for Socialists, have not heard from them since.
“The world has changed, and my views have changed,”
Yes the world has changed, crime rates have gone down!
In regards to the Trolls and Negative Nancies that frequent this and other forums, I have only this to add, “Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one, and some folks don’t know how to wipe,” was something my Granddad told me many moons ago, and in my nearly 60 years on this earth, it’s a maxim that is still true today.
As for the other like minded individuals on here, I enjoy reading all of your takes, opinions and suggested answers on the past, current and future situations we face as 2nd Amendment supporters and defenders. To be Forewarned is to be Forearmed.
I toss in my opinion and stance where appropriate now and then, and keep my head down and mouth shut, if I can’t add anything to the discussion on hand.
It would be interesting if you could get all these Dems live on camera and read to them an edited version of Letter from Birmingham Jail where race references are replaced with other, non-Democrat party-preferred-groups. See how much of it they agree with or how many even recognize what you’re reading to them.
I bet a bunch of them attack the statements as being fundamentally untrue.
The backpedaling after the “reveal” would be fucking epic.
Yep, that’s what happens when you’re a brainwashed ideologue. They don’t want their followers to use their brain and think about anything. It’s much easier to just paint the other side as evil.
A rich socialist/government employee who, despite all the years working for the government…..accomplished NOTHING. Way to go saunders.
On the subject of voting. In years gone by people voted for those they thought would do the most good for the country, now it is hard to find a candidate who will do the least harm to the country to vote for.
How stupid do the citizens of Vermont have to be to have elected this putz all these years…..