Antifa Brings AR-15s To Seattle Counter Pro-Constitution Rally
TTAG screen capture from Andy Ngo Twitter video clip.
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On Saturday, a group of Americans held a pro-Constitution, pro-America rally in Seattle. In a surprise to no one, a number of Seattle’s Antifa leftists turned out in force to attempt to intimidate the patriots present for the rally. And the black-clad Antifa thugs brought open-carried firearms, including AR-15s to the event.

A Portland-based video journalist Andy Ngo covered the rally and the counter-demonstrators. For him, things grew heated pretty quickly.  As Ngo tried to cover the event, a number of Antifa folks unlawfully stopped him from approaching on the sidewalk and blocked his camera. Then a pair of openly armed Antifa members made it clear that Mr. Ngo would not pass.

Antifa Brings AR-15s To Seattle Counter Pro-Constitution Rally

Just as in Portland, the Seattle police stood by and did next to nothing to protect the law-abiding from the Antifa members’ intimidation. Eventually, the police demanded Mr. Ngo leave or face arrest, claiming that his presence served to “incite conflict.”

 

 

Time and again, these black-clad and often-masked Antifa agitators claim to stand against fascism. The “anti-fascists” as they like to call themselves hate President Trump with a passion and call anyone who disagrees with them Nazis, neo-Nazis and white supremacists. Quite ironic that Mr. Ngo lives his life as an openly gay Asian male.

As we’ve seen time and time again, these “anti-fascists” do more than name-calling. They openly use classic fascist tactics themselves – specifically the threat of violence to suppress opposing viewpoints –  against those who disagree with them.

What’s more, Antifa threats have frequently proven to be more than just talk. In fact, Antifa’s violence has very frequently left their fellow Americans battered and bloody.

Antifa uses more than fists to attack freedom-loving Americans, too. Take Berkeley professor Eric Clanton, who used a bike lock to beat his opponents. So much for free and open academic discourse.

Antifa Brings AR-15s To Seattle Counter Pro-Constitution Rally

The latest Seattle Antifa hooliganism didn’t stop with aggressive behavior while open carrying. Another Antifa member pictured below made ominous threats towards Mr. Ngo:  “I’m known to do this shit for real. Are you willing to die for Youtube [stuff]? …Death is coming to you.”

Antifa Brings AR-15s To Seattle Counter Pro-Constitution Rally

Really.  Here it is on video…

Of course, Antifa members — like all Americans — have the right to keep and bear arms. But these black-clad masked fascists don’t come out to support their cause. Their goal is to intimidate, shout down and sometimes assault those with whom they disagree.

How long before someone on one side or another has a negligent discharge – or an intentional discharge at one of these rallies? I’ve written about how the violent left’s civil war continues to heat up. And how lefties have even formed a so-called Red Army in places.

Antifa Brings AR-15s To Seattle Counter Pro-Constitution Rally

It’s just a matter of time until America’s Civil War 2.0 becomes hot. Inadvertently or not.

Will you be ready for what comes after that? Will they?

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    • We are on the verge of a civil war. I see leftists at the shooting range, but also what I suspect are Chinese PLA (posing as students of course) practicing with AK’s and SKS’s at the range. It’s been interesting.
      They are preparing. However good/bad they are – irregulars can be trained and peasants with rifles are dangerous. We all agree guns are the great equalizer.
      If there is a communist revolution in the US, it will likely be assisted by Mexico (AMLO), Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, etc. Maybe even Russia/China/NK. Not to mention all the Communista’s we’ve imported over the years and those in the immigration waves now… mostly military age males.
      It wouldn’t be pretty.
      I suggest all patriots have a base preparedness, and not underestimate the enemy.
      Even a small unmenacing rattle snake has deadly venom.

        • Just because some of these latte sipping antifa posers fold at the first sign of serious resistance, don’t assume they all lack conviction. Not saying to back down, saying that if it comes to it you have to be all in. Be ready as you do everything you can to ensure it doesn’t come to that.

      • I sure hope you’re wrong. As slowly eroding as our rights are we still have a democracy as F’d up as it is at the moment. An armed insurrection of any size in this country would be cause to call out the troops on American soil, suspend the constitution, suspend the free press and start rounding up anyone on the left, right or in the middle that would question the powers to be. While I’d be willing to give my life for my principles, I’d prefer we found a solution for fixing Washington that didn’t entail live ammunition.

      • So you believe that elements of the Chinese people’s liberation Army our training at American public rifle ranges? This is beyond unhinged, and posting pure fantasy speculation searches this is exactly what gets weak minded people to act precipitously in their own ignorance.

        From Las Vegas to Sandyhook two Sunderland Texas, the biggest threat is crazy white guys with large capacity same automatic rifles.

        And I think history shows us that the most effective anti-fascist forces was the United States of America and her allies in 1941 through 1945 when they crushed the fascist forces of Nazi Germany and Tojo’s Japan.

        • “From Las Vegas to Sandyhook two [sic] Sunderland Texas, the biggest threat is crazy white guys with large capacity same [sic] automatic rifles.”

          This is a lie. And you sir, are a dirty racist liar. There is one distinct section of the populace which murders and commits other violent crimes at rate totally disproportionate to its size. Can you guess which? Here’s a hint – it’s not white guys and they rarely use rifles, large capacity or otherwise.

          Mass murders with semi auto rifles (which are admittedly mostly commited by white guys) are overmedialized white crows that statistically don’t make a blip on the radar.

      • Chris T in KY says:
        December 8, 2018 at 20:03
        “I remember when the white Liberals and the left supported the KKK ”

        What kind of moron thinks that the left ever supported the KKK?

        In the meantime the right supports the very violent Proud Boys, racists and separatists like the League of the South, out-and-out killers like Atomwaffen Division, and so forth. Here in Texas several “patriot” groups get most of their membership from groups like Soldiers of Odin, who proudly display their Hitler and Nazi tats. That’s the reality about the armed left and the armed right these days. Intel on the left is much, much better than what the right has, and the right are in denial that they are in bed with genuine nazis and people that proudly embrace fascism.

        • ” right are in denial that they are in bed with genuine nazis and people that proudly embrace fascism”

          Lol…..REAL Nazi’s died off in 1945, when Germany lost the war. These guys are glorified LARP-ers, just like Antifa. No vision of their own, no mind of their own, they just follow the thoughts and mind set of a long gone group. Fascism is the shutting down of all opposing ideals by use of force…..Antifa is just as guilty of this as anyone else.

          “What kind of moron thinks that the left ever supported the KKK? ”

          Morons are the people who do not know, but claim that they do without any independent research. Right, left and center in American politics is a falsehood and generally meaningless terms. The KKK and the South were historically overwhelmingly democrat (and no they did not swap parties after the civil rights movement)…. Democrats are not “the Left” and Republicans are not “the Right” in political ideology………. it would be much easier to argue that republicans are the politically ideological left (liberalism) and that the democrats are the politically ideological right (progressivism). But that is not what the media has told you, so I am sure this kind of thought is very foreign to you.

          I am also guessing you probably don’t know the ideology of liberalism (Freedom, liberty, equality, limited government, citizen rule) vs Progressivism (Collectivism, Scientific rule, social inequality, economic equality, eugenics). Many republicans today embrace a liberal style of government while many democrats embrace a progressive style of government….but even that isn’t entirely true since there are progressive republicans and liberal democrats.

          Political Left vs Right spectrum (provided for educational purposes)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum

        • to John Newell
          It seems this is a late reply. No matter. To be clear white Liberals and the Left have always support the civil rights of the KKK. But they have NEVER supported the civil rights of law abiding black people. They do go out of their way to protect black criminals who prey on innocent people of any color.

          They supported the civil right of the KKK to march through black neighborhoods while carrying guns. But not for the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense,

          White Liberals and the Left are just as racist as the “projection” they place on innocent white folks. Its racist white Liberals and the racist Left who have endorsed the Mulford Act in California.

          Don’t talked to me about Gov. Reagan. He’s dead. White Liberals gay and straight control California. They have publicly endorsed the most racist gun control law in modern US history.

  1. Looks like more fake toy guns to me. The very top picture has a magazine that looks molded into the lower receiver…..maybe its a bad picture, but I am guessing they are fakes,

    • Fake or not, it still wasn’t smart. People with fake guns get killed all the time. But this isn’t about fake or real guns, is it. And next time they might be real and loaded.

      • Any clue what the carbine in the bottom picture is? The one with way long shoulder stock and a magazine in the pistol grip?

        I still think that is a fake AR and not just camera blur. I thought at first it could be just blur, but the more I look at it the more it looks fake.

        • lol…..”Welcome to the fold”

          That certainly wouldn’t be the firearm I bring to an armed conflict.

        • Keltec Sub-2000. Neat foldable mechanism and can be set up to take Glock mags or Beretta/CZ75/a few others depending on which version you get.

          Terrible trigger though.

        • “It is a Keltec Sub 2000. You need to familiarize yourself with more firearms”

          Yeah, you are right….I do not know my Keltec firearms very well……I tend to follow the military types more, and even those I am not the greatest with

        • The S2K is less of a rifle to go to war with and more a rifle to have in case the war comes to you. I keep one as a backup to my CCW pistol along with a couple of 20 and 30 round mags that either can use in a pinch. The whole kit will fit nicely in your average laptop backpack, and I’ve taken it on plenty of trips without getting a second look from anyone.

          What I really wish they’d do, though, is release a version of the PLR-16 with a side-folding brace or something. That would be a lot of capability in a tiny package.

        • Kevin, that “cheesy subgun” can be folded up and stored in a hoodie jacket. It is precisely the type of weapon to be wary of in the hands of violent radicals. It’ll reach out a lot further than a handgun.

        • It is a Kel Tek 2000 9mm. If there is a loaded mag in that gun it is a violation of Seattle’s new Gun Control laws!!! It is a semi-auto gun and may have a mag with more that 10 rounds in it yet the cops do nothing and I have to ask why? Are they in league with Antifa and waiting fr one of these idiots to have a negligent discharge before shooting the conservatives? Not one attempt to disarm or send one of these counterdemonstrators home as long as they are armed. The cops want gunfire.

      • I don’t think so. There’s enough definition in other places. The rifle really just looks molded. Airsoft guns are cheaper than real ones and it’s not the first time some wanna be revolutionary has carried one trying to playact.

  2. ‘How long before someone on one side or another has a negligent discharge – or an intentional discharge at one of these rallies?’

    Let’s hope that this ‘negligent discharge’ comes from an M240 in the direction of Anti-fa from an elevated position and lasts for about 30-45 seconds.

    • I think that is what they are hoping for….why else bring fake guns?

      That top picture of an AR looks very fake. Mag and mag well are one piece, solid Upper/lower receiver, and no sign of a bolt or dust cover…… I have a real hard time believing that is a real gun

        • “…and commies need to be exterminated like plague infested rats.”

          The Gov. has metamorphosed into TTAG’s own Serge… 🙂

          Gov! Gov! Gov!

          *snicker* 😉

        • Yeah… It’s hard to have an appropriate hatred for commies until after they killed half your family. Just remember what November 24th signifies. It’s the reason why commies make actual Waffen SS look like boy scouts.

        • “Yeah… It’s hard to have an appropriate hatred for commies until after they killed half your family.”

          *Sigh*

          Serge, I was happy to evidence that the Gov. had “Come around to the right kind of thinking…”

        • “Hmm… seems the TTAG moderators have a soft spot for communism.”

          What you mean, Gov.?

        • To answer the Govs last comment about “moderators.” For some unknown and unusual reason…The 1st time ever while posting to TTAG… I received a “Awaiting moderation disclaimer on my attempted posting…?”

        • I had a comment go down the wormhole. Apparently somebody doesn’t approve of killing commies.

      • “…and no sign of a bolt or dust cover…”

        Well, unless it’s a left-handed model AR you’re looking at the wrong side of the gun to see the dust cover or the bolt (if the cover is open)…

        …and considering that it’s a blurry-as-fuck screen grab from a video I see no reason to believe that your other comments on the mag/mag well or the upper/lower are correct. Considering how the bolt release and the charging handle look I would assume it to be a very real gun.

        • It was mentioned above, but it’s actually a Kel Tec Sub 2000. Little 9mm/.40 carbine that takes common pistol mags and folds in half for storage. Looks kind of silly, but I wouldn’t want to be on the other end of one.

        • Cx commenting on the AR pattern rifle, not the sub2000.

          If you look where the magazine well comes up to the barrel/shroud/shoulderthingthatgoesup … I don’t see a pivot pin, may be the quality of the photo. But also the takedown pin seems missing. Betting it’s an airsoft gun.

        • liljoe:

          I’m looking at the picture and I see a pivot pin in the indent just above the A shaped part of the lower. I also see a bolt release switch, mag catch and a legit looking charging handle. I, like you, note the lack of a takedown pin but I assume I just can’t see it the same way the mag looks odd.

          The whole photo is blurry because it’s 1) a screengrab, 2) a screengrab of motion and 3) either a low rez picture to make the file small or a screengrab of a relatively low quality video. That makes it difficult to tell exactly what that thing is.

          Either way, I assume the gun to be real until I know for sure that it is not. That goes for pictures like this as well as real life encounters.

        • AR is funny looking, but I’m at least partially convinced by the elastic on the scope covers. The buttstock, especially, doesn’t look right to me.

      • Its an air-soft. I have one, an M4. No rear take-down pin BUT you can see the allen screw that sits way lower than the rear take-down pin on a real AR, also front pivot pin is the same allen screw. Also, note the safety switch in some weird position and no separation line between the upper and lower. Hope he doesn’t try to “Really” use it, could end up at room temp.

    • Oddly, I was thinking along the same lines! (regarding a negligent discharge into the antifa crowd)

      Boils my blood that the police would make a reporter leave when armed thugs wearing the hammer and sickle get a pass in the United States of America. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside having served this country seeing this happen here.

      • Fuck the police. If you think they were ever on the side of liberty, you are mistaken. They will do exactly as they are told, just like they will do as they’re told if the new People’s government demands they go door to door to sniff out kulaks. Again.

      • Excellent post, the hatred and anti-freedom opinions expressed here are sure to help Decent folk vote for more gun control to make sure that individuals such as yourself do not have access to large capacity semi automatic rifles.

        And using an automobile as a deadly weapon to kill and maim citizens exercising their first amendment rights is not patriotic, it’s domestic terrorism.

        • You must be delusional. More gun control will make sure that individuals such as us do not have access to large capacity semi automatic rifles?Where and when did ban on an item ever prevented access to said item?

        • You sir are either grossly misinformed, are developmentally disabled or a left wing agitator. There are no automatic weapons, no assault weapons, no weapons of war displayed in any of the pictures or videos in the reports. Every one of the rifles displayed has the same rate of fire as Jesse James six gun. One bullet per trigger pull. In most cases firing a .223 caliber bullet. According to the FBI people are killed with hands and feet each year than are killed with all rifles combined. Doubt it look it up search FBI murder stats. Using a car to defend your self from designated terrorists like ANTIFA threatening life and property as they habitually do IS NOT domestic terrorism. It’s self defense. Grow up.

  3. Open war in the cities. Antifa, BAMN, BLM, Hispanic agitators all trying to shout down “normal” Americans. One round started WW I. One round. I can see a creep shooting someone and then return fire then …..THE END
    Reference; see France.

    • Oh no, it’s like the black panthers again, we’ll need to ban open carry because at these events (where no one gets hurt) there are scary protesters with guns. Guns are so dangerous that the street ran red with blood! Let’s have mandatory registration of guns to deny these scary leftists the right to bear arms! It’s for the children! I support the 2nd amendment but…

        • Plenty of BLM members open carrying at several BLM events in jurisdictions that allow open carry. No hassle from cops for doing so. Lighter complexion people are more likely to get hassled

      • I don’t see much of that here, and I personally don’t have any issues with them being armed. The issue is that they are using threats of violence to silence political opponents. It’s the people, not the tools they carry. But, yes, if anything happens I assume many people will use that as a pretext to disarm the public.

  4. That does look like a plastic fake AR, all of the parts seem to run into one another, trying to see if there are any actual controls on that thing.

    I just did a quick look at the Seattle Times, and a Google search for any media coverage. No mention whatsoever of any protests over the weekend. Assuming that it did indeed happen, the silence is interesting And sadly predictable in Seattle.

  5. I can’t believe that the mayor and police are doing NOTHING to control these ANTIFA thugs. The citizens need to start an on line petition to remove the mayor and police chief.

  6. Looks like Al Qaeda in the USA. What a shame, to hide your face when you think “you’re right”, should let you know something.

  7. You’re kidding yourself if you think some these people don’t know how to use firearms. The US military is a reflection of our society as a whole and there are more left wingers who have served than you might think. Just look at the recent case of Lt Spenser Rapone, he was a Ranger before he got to West Point and he’s not the only one, as his Facebook page showed.

    Our side has been blamed for instigating violence for just showing up, just like the cop in this story did. But it’s been the Antifa crowd that has actually been willing to use disproportionate force and violence on anyone who dares to disagree with them.

    They ARE willing to kill us. It’s just a matter of them having the right opportunity.

        • Last carbine course I took had us do this for transition to sidearm. It’s actually a good way to sling it if you need access to your sidearm/belt/etc because it clears your feet and doesn’t get tangled in your legs.
          YOUR feet, YOUR legs.
          The feet and legs of of the people on his left and immediately behind him are in the line of fire though.

        • That makes no sense… you can sling the gun right side up in the same position and have it at hand. There is no reason to flip it over.

        • I’ve been waiting for one of our War Analysts to notice the rifle was slung to the right but orientated for a left handed shooter. This tells me that the guy in the photo has never carried a rifle at all and probably has spent little time shooting one.

        • None of us has any idea who this guy is or what level of competence he has. It’s dangerous to underestimate your enemy. That doesn’t mean to make your enemy bigger and stronger than he really is, just don’t underestimate his competence.

          Israeli fighter pilots are pretty damned good. They’re taught, going into a fight, to regard their opponent as the best fighter pilot in the world.

          It’s not bad advice for our side to follow, too.

        • Dan in Detroit that’s not what I mean. Like Matt said, I wasn’t speaking of the muzzle direction — the angle of the rifle and the position on his body is just fine — but of flipping the gun over. Basically, the gun should still be going down and across his body just like it is but we should be seeing the right side (ejection port side) of it, not the left side. His sling is coming over his right shoulder, so he’s going to be shooting it off his right shoulder, but the grip is pointing to his left side instead of toward his right. Gun needs to be flipped over so its left side is against his body.

    • Firearms are easy to use. And when your opponents are disarmed it’s easy to do harm.

      When facing armed opposition is when the testicles either drop or fall off.
      Police have taken the antifa side too many times. If the authorities don’t pick a side they have a problem

      • Police take orders from the Chief, the Chief takes orders from the Mayor.

        The Mayor in Seattle is a leftist, so Antifa acts with near impunity.

        They only pull this crap in places they have protection from the powers-that-be.

    • There’s no doubt some of them are quite capable. Look at the antifa hero in Dallas who murdered 5 cops as a perfect example. But I do doubt they have a depth of such talent. As a prolonged war drags on, their star aces will dwindle, the ones behind them won’t be nearly as effective. Similar to what happened to the Vermacht and Lufftwaffe. The nature of leftist militant groups also typically leads them to suffer high causalities. They view war like Nazis or ISIS view war, trying to rapidly expand and sacrifice everything in the name of the state. It burns hot, but burns big, and fast. Also, I have a feeling when those antifa kids get out of the cities, and have to slug it out in the sticks, they won’t do so hot.

      • They won’t do so hot in the cities, either. These idiots are together because of hatred, but do they have a true cause? NFW! They could win a few battles in the inner cities and would then fight amongst themselves over the meager spoils.
        This bunch isn’t even a pack of animals, they don’t have the single mindedness to be a single pack.

    • They’re there, but their numbers are minuscule. For every commie faggot in the US military there are 250 enlisted, real patriots. The ratio is probably even greater than that…

      • Still, there’s something bad wrong, here. I was commissioned through OTS in 1969, and I can’t help being absolutely convinced this dipshit would have never been commissioned in that time, probably would have been kicked out of West Point in under a year. Or beaten to death.

    • A Ranger who was RFS’d almost as quickly as he hit the doors. That’s not to say that liberals don’t exist, there are plenty of Special Operations veterans whose politics skew to the left, but most of them are still patriots. Comrade Che, however, is a typical wannabe communist. Limp in the wrist and weak in the mind.

      • You can most certainly be a liberal and a staunch supporter of the constitution. Now defining yourself as a progressive pretty much negates any belief in the constitution.

  8. Antifa can only be stopped by strategically blockading Starbucks and Apple stores, cutoff from their supplies they will be forced to surrender.

  9. I for one, welcome the impending Civil War 2.0

    The herd could use a little thinning. Time to convert the 401k to shotgun shells.

        • While I don’t relish a Civil War at all, if it is going to happen, and I think it is a when thing, not an if thing, then I want to fight it and not leave it up to my three kids to do it later.

      • strych 9, Is that sentiment really so ‘ridiculous’?

        These are the dying days of Rome, is it not time for some to acknowledge the Visigoths for what they truly are? Is it not time to see the fallacy of “history” pretending that Joe McCarthy didn’t have any valid point? ‘Cultural Diversity’ has ever worked where again?

        These ass-clowns are well on their way to doing everything Pol Pot ever wanted from a brainless youth-tool. In word and deed, they have demonstrated the desire to execute their manifesto. Are you ready for your “re-education” (if you’re lucky enough to do it alive)?

        I have no desire for war, but my family has fought (and sometimes died) for this Great Idea since before the official beginning. I’d personally rather do it now than later.

        Die on your feet and all that….

        • There are worse fates than a violent death fighting for what you believe in. Not something I would seek out, though, and something definitely to be avoided if possible.

        • @Larry: Yep, once the gloves come off that’s how you win. At this point, though, I think it’s best to focus on what we are really talking about when we are talking civil war. No matter how it comes out, the cost will be hideous.

      • Yep, let’s get this national divorce over with.

        We are no longer a country with the same goals with two parties that have different ideas of how to get there.

        No today there are two halves of a country going in opposite directions.
        The Right wants tha same goals the the country had 50,100, 200 years ago.
        The Left wants a 180 from that and go down the path that has been well traveled by fascists and tyrants.

        Let’s settle this soone rthan later.
        It’s now either they win or we win. There is no win-win possible.

        And what are those classic American ideals?
        Of coarse Prager to the rescue.

        • I fear a divorce, hopefully as bloodless as possible, is probably the best option at this point. As bad as it would be.

  10. Sorry but you Jews are inciting conflict by being here in Germany. You’ll have to move along.

    So in these cities are the cops “just following orders” or are they being lazy sacks by choosing the path of least resistance even if it’s the wrong path?

    • “So in these cities are the cops “just following orders” or are they being lazy sacks by choosing the path of least resistance even if it’s the wrong path?”

      They know what will happen to them if they are seen as sympathetic to conservative politics…

    • The progressives have destroyed the Seattle PD. They can’t enforce the laws if the suspect is a homeless person or minority. The competent officers are moving to the suburban agencies.

    • Cops do what the person who signs their checks tells them. If they’re asked to pull gold teeth they will pull gold teeth.

      • Not being a cop, I can’t claim any special insight here. I keep hearing a number of LEOs say that many if not most will refuse to turn against the public. I want to believe that. But history is on your side.

        • Go to any cop forum and ask if whether police obeying confiscation orders are doing the right thing. You will get banned immediately.

    • Notice how it’s the lieutenant that is telling the press that he is inciting conflict and that his men will physically remove him for exercising his human/civil rights. This is what I talk about when it comes to the police. It’s the leadership that breads bad departments that can get away with (literally) murder.

      I wonder where these wonderful white cops get their behaviors from:

      Yeah, they beat an undercover cop because he was black. They wanted to go after some coloreds before they had a reason to. Got to find them some “thugs” to beat. Get some!

      Now what are they thinking when it comes to gun owners? I have heard them say some treasonous stuff… Of course it’s not all of them, just some of the leadership.

      • Do you even read the articles or do you just post random stuffs just to get attention? Also, I’d like to know why you hate cops so bad, did she leave you for a cop? Did you get in trouble for speeding or driving under the influence (I know, it wasn’t really your fault)…..What happened?

        • What terrorist do you speak of? The Asian guy filming Antifa? The black undercover detective they beat for some fun? The 2A guys that like to open carry?

        • You need to go inform yourself of the case because I don’t think you are cool with cops conspiring to infringe on people’s rights and trying to cover it up after the fact.

        • I know enough about that bullshit to know that for 1 real case there are 99 fake ones. If you want me to start caring about the real ones, maybe stop pushing the fakes? The case of Mike Brown basically guaranteed that I don’t give a shit anymore.

  11. > pro-Constitution, pro-America rally

    > Liberty or Death 2: Rally Against Left-wing Media Bias

    Wow. Such pro-Constitution. Much pro-America.

    The people rallying against the draped-in-the-flag fascists have just as much right to be armed as the neo-nazis and fascists … who are, you know, actually the bad guys here.

    But none of you assholes actually has principles, just tribal affiliations.

    • Maybe it’s time to learn to read. The article specifically says “Of course, Antifa members — like all Americans — have the right to keep and bear arms.” And I’m pretty sure somebody rallying to support the Constitution is not a fascist, since a limited government constitution is the true anti-fascism.

      The people you think are the good guys are carrying flags from the USSR. The USSR was the second most violent and deadly nation in human history, second only to its spawn, the PRC. Someone waving a Soviet flag is just as bad as someone waving a Nazi flag.

    • ANTIFA, historically speaking, was nothing more than a rival gang of collectivist authoritarian thugs. If you went after actual fascists, I wouldn’t care (I couldn’t actually condone it, because I’m not an anarchist, but I’d be quietly pleased with each antifa and or/nazi skull busted. But the issue is that ANTIFA isn’t going against rival collectivist authoritarians right now, except in your own twisted minds.

    • It’s okay, these guys are exactly why we liberals also have “assault weapons” these days, and know how to use them.

      I especially love it that all this neo-Nazi sсum think that we’re unarmed. That’s going to cost them if push comes to shove. I hope they won’t learn too fast, either – then again, when you read the comments here, you know they are not exactly fast learners.

  12. I live in WA and I think the megaquake will be a blessing if it wipes Seattle off the map. Hopefully it takes Portland with it as well.

  13. I’m not terribly concerned about the OC of the rifle until I see the way he’s wearing his plate carrier… then I start to get nervous that this idiot knows nothing about the tools he’s chosen.

    • Probably just keeping his lunch in the pocket where the armor’s supposed to go. That bottom picture got me though – I feel like carrying rifles like those without any readily accessible spare mags just shows that you aren’t serious about your own message and just wanted a scary prop. When the Revolution comes, methinks you’d want more than one mag for your rifle…

      • Fair points. I doubt they have any intention of actually using anything but maybe they’re just stupid.

        Sometimes it’s hard to tell. For example; the guys on YouTube who invest a ton in a plate carrier and plates and pouches and shit then talk about how uber-tactical it is to have a single IFAK on their back… where they can’t reach it without taking off their whole plate carrier system.

        Cause, you know, you’d never need to patch a hole in yourself while cut off from your friends or maybe patch up your buddy who doesn’t have an IFAK or who’s IFAK has been lost. That shit, like, never happens brah!

        On the topic of the guy pictured in this article… I don’t know what he’s doing in terms of tactical sandwich pouches but he obviously needs some instruction on how armor is supposed to cover your vital organs and not be super loose.

        • Probably figured it was cool to wear your backpack all low and loose in middle school so that must be how these things work too. That or it’s like a video game and you get +100 bullet resistance for having it on.

  14. Spencer Ramone, wow. Hidden signs, clenched fist, out of uniform, middle finger. Lordy shit storm what’s that smell? and here I thought scratching FTA ( yes I’ve had my moments of malcontent) hidden on my bunk was pushing it.

  15. The fascists now run Seattle. And they mistreat gay men in the streets. Just a matter of time til they have a ‘crystal night’.

  16. Looks like we definitely have got us some toothpaste that is not gonna get put back in the tube by anyone, anytime soon. Frightening stuff. -30-

  17. I live north of Seattle. I didn’t realize I could carry my AR-15 around with me in the open. I know WA state is an open carry state. I guess I hadn’t realized just what freedoms I have. Hmmm. Walk the dogs with my AR-15. Go to the grocery store … Starbucks … Post Office, AR-15 strapped on. Hmm. Wow. New opportunities my eyes have been opened to, thanks to Antifa.

    Hell, maybe that’s what we need to start doing. Carry our fucking AR-15’s with us everywhere.

    Love the fucking cops. Like in Portland, they just watch these scum harass people, break windows, etc. Who’s side is ‘the law’ on? At least up here, I wouldn’t want to count of them defending my rights. Looks like they’re waiting for ‘the good guys’ to do anything to defend themselves, and they’ll green light Antifa doing what they do. And yes, Antifa will kill. Communists place zero value on anyone’s life.

    • Have an antifa mask on or you will probably get arrested. Let these bastards come to small town rural America and try their intimidation tactics.

      • They don’t need to go to rural America. They have the medias and public schools, and they are figuring out how to commit massive voter frauds. What has been done about the recent sh*tshow in FL? NOTHING! They will steal elections count on it. They have the house, and on the other hand you have way too many RINO and swamp creatures, dang even POTUS loves to pick people from the swamp for his administration.

    • I don’t recommend open-carrying an AR-15 in Post Office parking lot or buildings. Even leaving your firearm in your locked vehicle in their parking lot is forbidden.

      The Code of Federal Regulations 39 CFR 232.1 “Conduct on Postal Property” says
      “…no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.”

  18. My kukri is sharp and my rifle is accurate.

    To the idiots wanting a do over: be careful what you wish for. My ilk won’t start it, but we will finish it decisively and thoroughly.

  19. They have been harassing Andy for awhile now. They call him a race traitor and a supporter of white supremacy. Ironically, it’s mostly white people who are the ones chastising him for not being on the right side. They always try to intimidate him or hurt him to get him to stop filming them and posting videos. He was also fired for his work. They think they can pick on the small Asian guy.

    At one of the protests in Washington an Antifa guy attacked someone and was shot in the torso.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJGhZdmg1b0

    There was a claim that an Antifa guy choked an old man to death In New York, but he was brought back to life after some CPR.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1AP7ek6aXY

    So there has been blood and death already. Also, there was Charlottesville and the assassination attempt on Republicans playing baseball.

    Keep in mind that Antifa intentionally does not claim to be an organization or have any leader because they don’t want the government to be able to charge them under RICO. Right now NY is charging a bunch of Proud Boys claiming they are part of some organized white supremacist group. Antifa of NY was not charged although they started the fight with the Proud Boys (of which they now face felonies for).

    The leftists are much smarter than you want to give them credit for.

      • No doubt…to us old guy’s(I’m nearly 65) it brings back memories of the 60’s and 70’s. And the leftards are puzzies at heart. Who has(a lot) more guns?!?

    • They might think they are smarter, but I am sure that Homeland Security has dossiers on most, if not all of the rabble rousers in masks. They have cameras from many different positions and catch every mask slip and face wipe they make. While they aren’t being rounded up as of yet, this could change quickly.

      Not that I support that type of action from my government, but I am aware they are doing so.

      • There are rumors, or fake news, that the FBI is corrupt and targeting people like the Proud Boys instead of Antifa. Don’t forget what they did in Oregon and Parkland.

        • So you didn’t see the press conference where the government said a FBI agent shot at Lavoy’s truck when he was not supposed to, removed his casing [evidence] from the scene and lied about what he did? Now he faces charges…

          You didn’t see the press conference where the FBI said they knew the Parkland shooting was going to happen, but they failed to follow their own policy/protocol to inform the local office to investigate it? They said they had at least 2 warning, one was detailed. They knew who he was. Instead of doing anything they let it happen and simply apologized for their dereliction in a press conference.

          You missed the news where there was a few FBI agents investigating Trump that wanted to stop him from getting elected or to get him impeached whilst deciding not to work on Hillary’s criminal case and predetermining her innocence? You don’t remember the FBI director leaking stuff to the press and pretending like he wasn’t bias?

          No one is coming after me because I haven’t committed a crime and I am not important.

    • “There was a claim that an Antifa guy choked an old man to death In New York, but he was brought back to life…
      So there has been blood and death already.”

      So the old man was only ‘mostly dead’?

  20. The libs need to understand that they need to get the stomach to deal with these people and that if they think they’re on “their side” they’re dead wrong. Nothing good will come of these people forcing out the press with force, nor will any good come of them being allowed to beat people. Selective enforcement of the law is incredibly dangerous to stability.

  21. Counter Pro-Constitution Rally, demonstrating the value of free speech, free assembly, petition for redress, and now 2A.

    I don’t think they thought that through

  22. “Assault” and “Brandishing” are crimes. It’s interesting how the crazy tooled-up gun nuts comport themselves, compared to the right thinking true believers.

    Myself, I’d be way more comfortable surrounded by 2A supporters with their ARs, than w/in a block of one of those masked monkeys with a bike lock.

    Based empirically on what they’ve done with the tools.

  23. Bike lock-guy: demonstrate why people should carry guns for self-defense, while objecting to the kind of people who carry guns for self-defense.

  24. If their people win, won’t the government take those guns away?

    File a red flag order on all of them. They clearly represent a danger.

  25. I really don’t feel sorry for all the West coast cucks who seem to love posing as victims of the antifa. These people keep whining “see, see what antifa did, and the police did nothing!”. Give me a break, what are you expecting? It has been like that for years now over there, you didn’t get the memo?

  26. “Eventually, the police demanded Mr. Ngo leave or face arrest, claiming that his presence served to “incite conflict.”

    It ain’t legal advice, but I would hate to be the lawyer trying to defend the arrest of someone for facing down armed thugs with words and a camera. Seems like the kind of thing the 1st Amendment was made for. That said, I would stay the F out of Seattle unless I was moving in there with a combat unit to wipe up after these idiots finally set about murdering each other and then realize there’s no day 2 plan.

    • And holy hell I wouldn’t want to be a cop in seattle. If I remember correctly, one got in trouble for tackling some guy who was swinging an axe around because it was considered a failure to de-escalate force.

      • I wouldn’t want to be a cop in Seattle either, they are the most corrupt bunch of “useful” idiots in the state, so bad that they had Federal oversight for quite some time.

  27. The only way to safely video these antifa thugs is to use a drone. What are they gonna do, shoot it down? It would be fun to get in their faces while just out of reach. The cops would have a hell of a time arresting a drone!

    • Any drone that can film reasonable video and keep the operator at a safe distance will be large enough to fall under the stupid FAA regulations that got reinstated when trump came in, so they’d find a way to get the tail number and arrest you later if they wanted.

  28. Calm down, society is not crumbling. The belligerent tone of protests is unpleasant, but big picture these are people with spare time and a sense of enfranchisement, having mostly shouting matches and squalid, harmless slap fights. Yawn.

    More guns? Good. Yeah I’m a little worried an idiot might make a mistake but that’s nothing new. It’s big-boy rules, serious penalties if you screw up while OC’ing, as opposed to escalation of shouting, blocking, shoving, etc then each shrill hick involved blaming the other to the public and authorities. Do you not believe it will be more civil in the long run?

      • My thoughts are the same. Lots of nutters here who think a war will be like call of duty. There is no start over…when you’re dead, you’re dead. Of course the way the article is written it obviously fans the flames….especially the closing sentence.
        Make believe is not real life. War is hell and not what you imagine it. A day into conflict and all these tools would be wishing they were back in their basements getting respawned on COD instead of bleeding out on the cold hard ground.

        • Yeah… Only people who have never lived under communism think that such a state of existence if preferable to war.

        • They have been fapping at the idea of “shooting commies” (or Muslims, or whomever) for over a decade now. Many people sunk thousands of dollars into arsenals, the whole purpose of which is defined by those fantasies. Why be surprised that they’re dreaming of a war?

    • Every communist or fascist action was started with idiots.

      To not see the direction that things are going also says something about you.

  29. I don’t see 1 person in any of those pictures that won’t go back to the basement the first time they get someone elses brains on their shirt.

  30. Perhaps instead of wishing for “Civil War 2.0”, we should exert political pressure on the Mayor of Seattle and Seattle PD to arrest the guy who said that? Then we should pressure them to drop their support for ANTIFA.

    NAAAHHHHHH…that would make sense!

    • That’s why these rallies occur in Oregon and Washington. Some people are trying to get the mayors and police to stop supporting communists, but they literally laugh and stand there as you get beat.

  31. I don’t understand why these guys are being referred to as “thugs.” They showed up to protest something they disagree with. What’s so un-American about that?

    • Sure, protesting is as American as apple pie. Using intimidation tactics and government support to shut down and silence those with opposing views isn’t. It’s thuggery.

    • Called “thugs” for doing thuggery.

      Screaming in people’e faces, brandishing, blocking movement, threats of violence, actual assault n worse. Thuggery. In combination, worse.

      Peaceful protest, even “civil disobedience” is one thing. The other term, besides “thuggery”, for “Do what I demand, or I’ll hurt you.” is “extortion.”

    • “Your rights end at the bridge of my nose”
      Daniel Patrick Moynihan
      Or when you launch that rock towards that window.

  32. Open carrying firearms while wearing hammer and sickle emblems to protest against people demonstrating support of the US constitution.

    Do these people have any sense of self awareness?

    • “Do these people have any sense of self awareness?”

      I know that was rhetorical, but they really don’t. My personal favorite are goons out wearing both the hammer and sickle and the anarchist A. In support of the great anarchist state of the soviet union, I guess.

  33. Lol at your hypocrisy. It’s ok for RWNJs to open carry and intimidate librulz, but when the tables are turned you all whine about it.

    The 2A is for everyone. Get over yourselves, chuds.

    • You are only armed as long as you don’t succeed. Once (if) your side wins, it will disarm you so quickly your head will spin.

  34. What kind of “protest” shuts down reporting on their protest?

    They’re acting up to make a point, and shutting down reporting of their acting up, or their point.

    • Wait, now, my understanding was that Antifa was there to shut down a protest, by threats and intimidation, and the folks they were threatening would have loved media coverage.

  35. coming soon, one of these days the armed Democratic party wing supported by the super rich Democrats, Bloomberg, Soros, Clinton etc. will threaten the wrong person who will plant his or her Ass! and touch it off

    • Oh please, your pearl clutching is tiresome. So many hypocrites on here with regard to ‘threat of violence’ with respect to open carry. For screeching for so long about the right to bear arms you guys are pretty quick to try to take them out of the hands of those legally owning and operating them or at least cheerleading for their deaths.

      Great job guys, no wonder sentiment against gun ownership is increasing.

  36. Am I missing something here? Is open carry now legal in Washington? Didn’t they just vote for a new draconian anti-gun public question?

  37. This is just polarizing echo chamber nonsense. All you folks touting the next “Civil War” need to get a grip. This country it comprised of mostly people who will trade comfort for freedom. Most people don’t even want freedom. They just want modern conveniences like grubhub, Netflix streaming and a smart phone to stare at.

    • “This is just polarizing echo chamber nonsense. All you folks touting the next “Civil War” need to get a grip. This country it comprised of mostly people who will trade comfort for freedom. Most people don’t even want freedom. They just want modern conveniences like grubhub, Netflix streaming and a smart phone to stare at.”

      And I guess you’re one of them Matt In Floridy. Stay away from my state please. We still love our freedom here. Communists are easy to spot.

  38. You do realize Joey Gibson’s rallies are WHITE SUPREMACIST EVENTS right?

    He’s conning ya’ll by calling it “Patriot Prayer” and draping himself in the constitution, which btw seems like ya’ll only want constitutional protections for yourselves and glibly cheer for muder of ‘leftists’.

    Ya’ll cowards at best, and wanna-be war criminals at worst.

    • Lol…yeah that half Japanese guy is really a “white supremist” in disguise…….

      I think you are seriously misinformed, and unwilling to research information for yourself…..and probably around 14 with a name like that.

    • Wikipedia:

      “Gibson resides in Vancouver, Washington.[9] He was born in Camas, Washington, and is of Irish and Japanese descent.[10][11] ”

      “Gibson describes himself politically as a “moderate libertarian”,[13][14] but his organization has been described in the media as “alt-right”.[15][16] Gibson denies that his group is alt-right, and has disavowed white supremacists[17][18][19][20] who frequently appear at his events.[21]

      Gibson supports a pathway to citizenship for non-criminal illegal immigrants. He supports decriminalization of marijuana, and same-sex marriage.[22] Gibson advocates for establishment of term limits for the U.S. Congress, implementation of a national sales tax, and abolition of the Internal Revenue Service.[23] He opposes what he describes as undue influence of the pharmaceutical industry on healthcare in the United States.[18] “

    • How are mixed race people white supremacists? What I see attending those rallies are brown, yellow, black and white. Whereas the protesters of those rallies, that call themselves Antifa, are mostly white people who talk down to minorities that are not on their side.

      If someone commits a felonious attack on you it’s not murder. When a group of people attempt to criminally take your rights it’s not unjustified to fight back.

      Fascism/socialism/communism are not righteous forms of government. They are a scam for a small group to own the masses.

      • “They are a scam for a small group to own the masses.”

        That’s as succinct and accurate a distillation of collectivist authoritarianism as I’ve ever seen. Bravo.

        Though very few of the people who push for it understand this. And of those who do…let’s just say that the Inner Party would be a vanishingly small subset of those who think they would be Inner Party. And the ANTIFA rabble would be among the first lined up in front of mass graves and shot in the back of the head.

  39. All of this, “Key Board Rhetoric” is a worthless waste of time. If the camera person was being threatened, what was LE doing? If they were told to stand down. That’s a problem with the Mayor and the Chief of Police. If there are shots fired…”It is better to give than receive”.

  40. Same = same; chicago mayor Dailey, the day after the “peace” riot at the ’68 democratic presidential convention, “The police were not placed there to prevent disorder, the police were placed there to preserve disorder.” That’s how the, (pre Woodward and Bernstein MSM) reported it and for sixty years everyone thought he’d been misquoted. Nope, he’d meant exactly what he’d said. -30-

  41. You guys don’t seem to be very in favor of people exercising their second amendment rights if they don’t vote republican. That’s pretty shitty.

      • I seem to remember many tea party protest at court houses across America with heavily armed belligerent folks protesting and demanding their rights. And they weren’t left us, they were conservatives.

    • It’s what fascists and other right-wing authoritarians do. Remember when Nazis came to power in Germany, they changed the laws such that party members could easily own guns, but not everybody else?

      More generally speaking, fascists divide the world into people and not-people. Anybody who opposes them is not-people, who don’t have any rights, don’t deserve empathy, and basically just need to be extreminated. Now look five comments above this one, and you’ll see pwrsurge literally say that those protesters aren’t people.

      QED.

    • His tag says PSJBGC, which is Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club. There are lots of JBGCs,and they’ve been known to carry real guns. They talk the tall, but they seem to be deficient in their training.

  42. The bike lock professor wasn’t a Berkeley professor. He had been part time at DVC, which is an East Bay community college. The article says he wasn”t employed at the time. It also said he taught critical thinking, but he seems to have no qualifications.

  43. Now that gun restrictions have been passed in Washington state it’s interesting how the antifa groups are now coming out openly carrying their weapons.

    It’s like “I got mine now, too bad if you didn’t get yours. it’s too late for you.”

    Antifa has the support of the Democrat Party. Just like the Klu Klux Klan had the support of the Democrat Party 100 years ago. When they were confiscating the guns of black people.

    • Keep it polished up! If you are a nazi we will be over to take it away from you when you least expect it. Unless you think that you can stay awake for 30 days on a row 😉

  44. Hey Y’all,

    Armed leftist here, just wanted to make a quick post to counter some of the ridiculous comments above. (FYI, many of the comments are totally reasonable, this is not directed at you).

    1. Yes, there are plenty of armed leftists and yes, we train together. Some of us have been quietly armed for years, and a lot more have been gearing up over the last few years. The commentors trying to convince yourselves that the AR in the picture is an airsoft gun are hilarious.

    2. We are NOT trying to start a civil war. We people with families and jobs, and regular lives just like you all. Some of us might be “latte sippers”, but plenty of us like to hunt, fish, spend time outdoors just like many of you. The reason we are armed is to counter the rise of armed fascist and neo-nazi groups. We are NOT A THREAT TO YOU (unless you are a nazi/fascist).

    3. A lot of you keep talking about “commies”. And, yes, some members of the far left and Antifa are communist. However, just as many (if not more) of us are actually anarchist. We don’t want authoritarian government either. The main thing that divides us from right-libertarians is that we believe that capitalism can be equally as oppressive as government (think of the big banks, huge, multinational corporations, and the ultra wealthy who control most of the worlds resources).

    3. You all talk about how violent antifa and the left is, and yes there have been a few (very few) cases of Antifa getting rowdy and roughing up people they shouldn’t have. Perhaps stretching the definition of fascist. But there are assholes and idiots in every group. It is important to remember that ANTIFA HAS NEVER KILLED ANYBODY. Meanwhile, there are countless cases of far-right fascists ACTUALLY killing people! (Charlotsville, where one Nazi fired a gun at someone, another Nazi killed a counter-protestor with their car, and several people were severely beaten by groups of Nazis. Pittsburgh, where a nazi gunman killed a bunch of elderly Jewish people. Seattle where a right-winger shot a peaceful counterprotestor in the stomach. I could go on and on, there are too many to list here). You snowflakes crying about Antifa getting rough or bringing guns to protests are the definition of hypocrisy. The far right has been bringing guns to rallies and getting violent for a LONG time.

    4. As I said above, we are not a threat to most of you. UNLESS you are an actual nazi/white-supremacist/fascist. To those people (like the person above joking about the nazi who murdered Heather Heyer with his car), we ARE coming for you. Take your paranoid delusions and violent rhetoric and crawl back into the hole you came out of.

    • Just stumbled across the article, and HAD to comment on “Abel” remarks:

      “The main thing that divides us from right-libertarians is that we believe that capitalism can be equally as oppressive as government (think of the big banks, huge, multinational corporations, and the ultra wealthy who control most of the worlds resources).”

      Ah yes, you must mean like Facebook, Twitter, or Google. Or perhaps Soros.

      “You all talk about how violent antifa and the left is, and yes there have been a few (very few) cases of Antifa getting rowdy and roughing up people they shouldn’t have.”

      Oh right, just a “little” rowdy. Except, in my eyes I call that intimidation. And I don’t react well to that. Not to mention, the DHS has formally classified the activities of anti-fascist groups (antifa) as “domestic terrorist violence” since early 2016.

      “Seattle where a right-winger shot a peaceful counterprotestor in the stomach.”

      Really? I recall that ended with suspects being released pending further investigation, which suggest self-defense. Even the victim does not want to see charges filed.

      “We are NOT trying to start a civil war. We people with families and jobs, and regular lives just like you all. Some of us might be “latte sippers”, but plenty of us like to hunt, fish, spend time outdoors just like many of you.”

      Ah yes, you’re “just like us”. Except, I don’t recall wandering around at protests with one of my AR’s slung around my neck.

      Careful “Abel”, we’re just about through with your crap.

  45. I remember when the white Liberals and the left supported the KKK marching in black neighborhoods while carrying guns and wearing masks. But those same Liberals never supported law abiding black people having or carrying guns. Now you have a different group of white racist gun toting marchers going out of their way to intimidate their political opposition.

    I think they, the Liberals, got what they wanted in the 1970s. No guns for the Black Panther Party for self defense. But guns for the socialist progressive right, the KKK, and the Left Antifa.

    The west coast is perfect for this. But “Flying Over Country” is very different. Southern gun culture will not put up with this BS. Good luck to you on the west coast. You will need it since more gun control was passed.

    I understand the police in Seattle are quitting the department. Just like in Berkeley Ca. It seems they don’t feel they are allowed to do their jobs.

  46. Looking forward to it when it goes real-time. The idiots won’t know what hit them! Then everyone will see what s bunch of cowards they are!

  47. Antifa is what used to be called “Anarchists” (communists/Marxists). The US Justice Department during the 1920s tried, stripped of citizenship, and deported these kinds of folks. I think we may be close to needing this again.

  48. 6 years later antifa still running wild, ‘patriots’ have done nothing, trump’s doing nothing, over 50% of under 16s in the USA are mexicans, LOL.

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