California’s Kamala Harris, the best-looking attorney general in the nation, has signed a letter mandating micro stamping technology for all new semiautomatic handguns being sold in the Golden State. [Read the letter here.] Any new model handgun must have a microstamped serial number somewhere on the gun’s frame and a firing pin that stamps a unique number onto the cartridge before (or as) it ignites the primer. I immediately reached out to Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition to confirm. Confirmed. Brandon has assured me that the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale is being challenged in court as a whole. Meanwhile for those Golden State gun buyers this means . . .
Californians who surmount the paperwork and scrutiny required to purchase a handgun can still buy any of the handguns on the current Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. But that’s about it. As of today, all new models which manufacturers want to introduce for sale in California will need to follow the new guidelines. They’ve got to be capable of microstamping.
There’s not a single handgun manufactured in the United States that microstamps a cartridge. Not one. Why should there be? The technology is both expensive and useless (the firing pin can be replaced or sanded down in seconds) and consumers may well balk at the idea. So gun makers looking to introduce new models into California are going to have to design and build handguns that microstamp or . . . nothing.
Chance are they’ll walk away. Even without this microstamping misegos, gunmakers are dropping California compliant models. The state’s registry of acceptable gats has declined by half since its introduction, from 2400 models to 1279 today. SIG SAUER “lost” 17 models in the month of March alone.
There may come a time when California gun shops may have only a dozen or so new handgun models for sale. Or, perhaps, none. Think that’s an exaggeration? California still has no less than 46 civilian disarmament bills floating around in the Sacramento legislature. It’s a slave state for sure.
Most likely her hand was on or near the trigger. If I were to bet, I’d guess maybe a ring got into the trigger guard.
Thanks for all of the reviews and comments. Do folks have recommended holsters, preferably with level one security, IWB?
About to pick up my Glock 20SF after the paperwork clears. Handled it for the first time yesterday. My hands are medium sized (5’8″, 180lbs) and my fingers felt like they were just on top of the ridges. With the web of my hand on the backstap just below the “beavertail”, my middle finger rubbed fairly aggressively into the triggerguard. The grip did feel kinda big. May try the hogue slip on, see if that helps the finger ridge problem. May also have the triggerguard and possibly some of the backstrap shaved.
Oh no…this means Massachusetts is going to try some nonsense like this. I really need to move.
But the Comintern of Massachusetts already bans just about every decent semi-auto handgun, from Glock to Springfield and most everything in between, so we will feel little impact.
I keep telling people that the MA AWB is an inconvenience; the firearms roster and the AG’s regulations are the true killers of gun rights.
Yeah, it is bad but since I only got a license under the current conditions it getting worse with microstamping is going to be just too much.
Robert, you are starting to make me come around on this “slave state” term. Generally I’m not for calling things slavery as a metaphor given that true slavery exists still today, but the stuff happening in some of these states is crossing a line into which it is not a pure metaphor anymore.
You’re a slave when you’re owned as property. This would not be the case even if every single amendment in the Bill of Rights was to be completely removed tomorrow. The use of the term “slave state” to denote infringements on constitutional rights is highly inaccurate, and it is also desensitizing the issue of real, actual slavery, which still exists in many parts of the world (and will exist in many more if jihadists take over, since Salafi Islam condones enslavement of non-Muslims).
Totally agree. It was what I was trying to say earlier. You just said it more succinctly and eloquently. 😉
I was about to comment that the phrase “slave state” really does apply. OK, I’m out of here for a good burger, beer, and some onion rings.
NY will follow. In fact they’re probably pissed they didn’t think of it first.
ATTENTION Kalifornia shooters:
You better gather up your empty brass at the range, lest a ne’er-do-well collects them and sprinkles them liberally at his crime scene to throw the po-po off the scent.
Abject and utter stupidity!
I hadn’t thought of that! That is not good!
I know whos who,if they need help,ill walk.
I hope this costs California hundreds of Millions in a lawsuit
They will just start opening up more boxes of Monopoly games to pay for it.
There may be hope for colorado after all! This makes me happy after seeing the article on kalifornia.
So does this mean that they are going to ban buying replacement firing pins since they would not have the s/n of the gun? Ballistics fingerprinting (which is a complete waste) can be circumvented via a new barrel. I feel bad for y’all in CA and I think all is lost at this point. The scales have tipped in their favor and probably won’t get tipped back to our side.
Rugrash, a few swipes with a SS cleaning brush will alter things, a few more will make it different. Some JB bore polish on a cotton roll that fits tight will polish your bbl such that it leads less, collects less copper fouling and is easier to clean with a SS brush.
Viola>>> No Match dis gun…..
We’re all giving “them’ plenty of new ideas for follow up amendments and laws for the authorities to use to confiscate “unlawfully altered” firearms.
Don’t be surprised if this legislation doesn’t end up creating another bureacracy in charge of annual registration and firing pin checks, along with more fees, just like is done with bi-annual vehicle emission control systems checks.
Don’t feel bad for all of us. PLENTY of gun owners here already have lots of firepower. In my area (San Diego), there are literally 10’s of thousands of Marines and other military servicemembers/veterans that have no need to obey or comply with this nonsense. Attempted confiscation would not go well for these liberal progressives either.
As John McClane said after getting off the plane, Cal-i-for-nia. It’s a state where the voters–at least a majority thereof–want to smoke pot, but not allow gays to marry, where they want lots of government goodies without having to pay for them, and where they keep electing idiots to public office. The only solution is to remove every politician from power, erase the entire legal code, eliminate the ballot initiative, and start over. Oh, and in the new state constitution, line one will have to be a recognition that the Federal constitution is the law of the land.
Wasn’t there a standard of “common usage” in one of the various USSC cases? If so, how can this possible have a chance of standing up in court?
I’ll believe it when I see it from another source. TTAG is hardly a reliable source. The owners of the site are into scare mongering to get hits. Remember how they told us that NY was going to outlaw pump and lever action rifles and shotguns? Remember Bank of America? TTAG was publishing Internet lies about them without bothering to check it out. Don’t trust what you read on here until it is backed up. They care about getting hits for advertisers. Money.
I would take this with a grain of salt. It might be true but I sure would not depend on this site to tell me if it is.
U come here for what reason jimmy boy?
I’ve been shooting since 1964.
As accur81 says, grow thicker skin, or don’t post.
As a retired cop, I cringe when some folks state flat out that all cops plant evidence, skim guns from bad guys, etc. but I also know that it is true sometimes… Just as there are a percentage of priests who are pedophiles, there are a percentage of bad people in every profession. Doesn’t make me dislike engineers or astronauts, (ok, except Mark Kelly).
I still embrace this TTAG community for the ideas, opinions, thoughts and knowledge that a diverse community brings.
And if I may, the bit about pump shotties being affected by the NY unsafe act was on. It suggested that because an extended tube could be added, the wording of the law could be construed to ban them. Think they won’t try? Stay tuned…
Waste of resources and tax payers money. Also, what’s a P Diddy?
Oh my goodness…do you know what this means? WE NEED A LIBERATOR THAT MICROSTAMPS!
as for impeaching our president i got two words for you
President Bidden
Yeah, but ol double barrel Biden wouldn’t last a year before he got himself in some scandal, like Clinton. Bidens a thumb puppet for Obama so he can use him to come across to the lessors. But I agree, this countries political leadership is definitely in the shitter! It will take time to get over these guys and gals BS politics, but voting is the best thing to do. And tell that ASSHAT CARPET BAGGER BLOOMBERG to run his own city and mind his own Fing business! OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS ARENT FOR SALE!
Alcohol and guns, not good. They’re drinking in the garage and she wants to add an EBR into the mix. So much stupid.
+1… Only time I drink is in condition white and I never touch a firearm while imbibing … It doesn’t take a lot of booze to be compromised…
To be very clear, guns already roster will remain so forever under the current law, as long as the extortion fee of $200 per model is paid every year. Hence why we have Glocks…Gen 3’s. Gen 4’s are a no no. The law, passed years ago, stated that any semiautomatic handguns not already on the roster will be required to… The plan is devilish. While challenges are intitially made, they can point to the availability of handguns, and say, see we do not wish to ban handguns. But over an extended perior, it works slowly to that.
Brown, at least, last year vetoed a bill that would ban the sale of non-rostered handguns from LEOs to regular joes, so that is still one avenue by which we can get non-rostered guns (though that same bill resurfaced this year). There are still other ways. So a blow, yes, but not yet a defeat.
This whole thing, is fishy, though. Calguns paid to renew the patent on microstamping. The law requiring it said that it would not take effect until at least two manufacturers had the technology, unencumbered by a patent. Harris just certified that that is the case…but the patent doesn’t expire until 2023. So she is claiming another method of mircostamping, other than the one you can read about, exists, is not under patent, and is available to multiple manufacturers…I call shennanigans.
Oh, and btw, Pam Bondi looks better…though both show their age in close ups without makeup
Any other ideas?
Yes. Bottle holders for two liters of bourbon, because I’d have to be blind stinking drunk to wear one of those things.
Here’s a thought for the “Land Of Fruit & Nuts”; give Kalifornia back to Mexico. It solves several current issues.
Mexico has strict gun control laws for average citizens.
Mexicans think Kalifornia is theirs anyway.
It purges the United States of these wastes of oxygen.
Can we save wine country?
As in many states, the actual size of the land that controls the state is very small. We would only need to eject a small portion, say the coast from San Diego to Marin, and CA would be a free(r) state once again.
Come on over to Dundee, Oregon for better wine!.
This could be a good thing (don’t lynch me yet!).
A few things need to happen for this to work in our favor.
1. No firearm company implements microstamping
2. Companies withdrawl from the “approved list”
3. Manufacturers only sell “approved firearms” to LEOs.
1 & 2 being the most critical. If the approved list is 0 and no one implements a microstamp, then we have a gun ban that prevents a class of firearms. This flies directly against Heller v. D.C. and McDonald v. Chicago. At this point, its unconstitutional and must be over turned.
If manufacturers only sell approved firearms to LEOs, it can have an impact. The best thing overall is to have every company withdrawl completely from CA. No government sales whatsoever, none to LEOs, or anyone.
How about a Hugh Hefner inspired tacticool smoking robe?
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin. Oh and any color on a Prius negates all manhood.
Work on your tan first Robert before you use white and man card in the same sentence . . . . we have seen your videos of your belly showing. Just sayin . . . .
WWHBD
I just wish we could have some actual gun related articles. All this filler is boring.
Brought a knife to a gunfight. If that’s the perps picture up there he looks about as bright as a hamster. Wonder what trailer park he lives in?
Last time I spoke with my daughter, she said she and her husband are planning on leaving the military as opposed to risking the possibility of being assigned a duty station in Californication again. South Dakota is much more appealing, even with sub zero temps and blizzards.
She hands him the gun holding it by the barrel? BS It fires twice by itself? More BS We will see if this guy will take the polygraph or not, I’m betting he won’t.
All gun buyers must completely boycott any manufacturer (and its affiliates) that produces a microstamping gun or aftermarket microstamping parts.
Boycott, boycott, boycott and shame and ridicule anyone you see at the range with one.
This is really important and deserves a post of its own.
I love mine! It has never malfunctioned, but did blow the extractor claw off once hitting me in the face with debris. Lol
My only problem with the term “slave state” is that it doesn’t go far enough to convey what is happening. The current crop of politicians, mostly in the anti-Constitution Party though not exclusively, are nothing more than Confidence Men, pretty good at promising but incapable of governing. I think you know who I mean.
We’re seeing a generation made slaves, not being chased into nets and pits, but seduced out of their liberty by con artists, who want to leave them with nothing but a ball and chain of debt and dependence. And disarmed too.
“We’re seeing a generation made slaves, not being chased into nets and pits, but seduced out of their liberty by con artists, who want to leave them with nothing but a ball and chain of debt and dependence”
F^ck if that aint the depressing truth…
And how exactly will this work with all the guns already out there? Will criminals have to comply with this when they purchase a gun from the trunk of some scum’s car? And to actually have this be successful, if ever, would take decades for it to actually see the smallest of results.
I saw the threat to gun owners when Obama was elected in 2008. I begun buying ammo right after Obama took office. I’m not shooting any firearms right now. I’m conserving my ammo until it becomes available again.
While I wait, I shoot my precision European airguns and vintage American pump guns. Pellets are widely available and I have just as much shooting my German air rifles as I do shooting my .22s and .17 rimfires.
I will not vote for any anti-gun democrat.
FYI:
This does NOT affect the single shot exemption (SSE) or revolvers. For those outside of California, SSE is a method to get around California’s handgun roster. Its difficult to explain because of the legal mumbo jumbo.
More information:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=11369088&postcount=82
Good point, and good link, but SSE is effectively a gun tax further impeding access to 2A rights exercise.
I can afford it, and there is an SSE FFL convenient to me — but that doesn’t do anything for somebody who wants a current model G17 but can’t afford SSE fees.
I live in California and I’m really tired of the only thing stopping us from being completely disarmed are the courts and Gov. Brown. People give him crap and call him Gov. Moonbeam but one of the main reasons things aren’t worse here is because he just doesn’t sign these bills into law. State Senator Leeland Yee on the other hand can suck it, why can’t he just leave us alone.
Did somebody die and make this “woman” dictator of Kaliforniastan? Oh… Wait a minute… My bad… This is California. Hahahaha
I am sorry… What?
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Calfornia gun owner here and this sucks. We’re f*cked. I’m seriously planning on moving some time in the future before our state gets any more screwed up than it is. Tell me again why cops are exempt? They shoot tons of people! Nvm this is just stupid altogether.
Ill tell ya 1000 times, os many as it can be,I DONT FORGET.Uniforms suck.
Are these guys videoing hoping to entrap a cop for false arrest? Just being assholes?
CYA. Otherwise it’s your word against theirs.
In a number of jurisdictions, it’s illegal to make video recordings of LEOs.
The U.S. has always been a police state; most of us just never noticed.
‘Course, in my jurisdiction I’m free to record anything I care to…
I admire the spirit, but I think this thing is huge mistake waiting to happen.
Those little tools are complete a-holes and had best thank their lucky stars that this police officer was one of the good guys.
sorry – doing your duty as a police officer and not harrassing people who are within their rights as Americans is not some sort of optional privilege that is bestowed upon deserving mere civilians. I fully support video taping cops. Why not use their “if you have nothing to hide then why do you object to x, y or z?” against them?
I’m fine with open carry, but if you’re going to do it you should be cool about being stopped and questioned. They’re lucky the cop was as cool as he was. He could have come with a few of his buddies, guns drawn. If the (unconstitutional as it may be) law says you can carry an unloaded weapon the cop has every right to ask to inspect the weapon to make sure you’re in compliance, it’s called reasonable suspicion.
These kids broke the first rule of representing the Gun Community:
“Don’t be a douchebag”
I’ve had this conversation before. More than once. The guys I’ve dealt with weren’t so long winded, though. I’m all for people exercising their rights, but all the relevant points could have been made in about two minutes here.
He is the coolest cop ever because he is harassing/investigating someone exercising their 2A rights? Sure thing statists.
I’d like to pose a question to you statist apologists, is Obama’s DoJ the coolest agency ever because they were investigating the Associated Press because they were exercising their 1A rights too?
He is a great cop because they tried to provoke a beat-down and he stayed polite, professional, and mature. His maturity: Adult. Their maturity: Whiny Entitlement Brat.
All firearms, ammo and accessories manufacturers need to immediately cut off all California .gov and LEOs from any further sales or service. Period. Full stop. The NRA et al need to immediately file suit in Federal court.
He didn’t wrestle them down to the ground or shoot them and ask questions later like they do in LA. This was a good cop; wish I had more in my neighborhood. This cop was investigating “suspicious behavior.” Looked like he was doing a good job. If I carried a AR outside a gun case strapped on my back even in the deep red state that I live in, I would expect to be stopped by an officer just because… it is exactly that… suspicious behavior. They have the right to carry of course – but if I did it I would expect to be detained frequency by officers.
I mean… that’s the way it is. In my perfect world however, everyone could carry a rifle on their back and think nothing of it.
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Why all the praise for a government employee doing his job in a halfway reasonable manner? That he even stopped these guys at all is wrong. Praising him for not committing other crimes while dealing with him is a sign of weakness.
You mean the police can’t protect you 24/7? Who knew?
Sympathies to the victims family.
A twin killed, a twin left alone. Very sad situation. Cop involved shooting, yet at this time no one knows WHO killed the young lady. Was it the cops? Was it the bad guy? This occurring in an area of the country hostile to firearms. We as pro 2A will jump to the conclusion that “if she/they had a gun……”, but that may not necessarily be applicable. Not all people are pro gun, and even many amongst those who are, there are those who do not wish to own or carry, I know a few and I respect their feelings. No matter what the truth is at the end, a torn family, and cops who will recriminate themselves is to be the end result. Not good for any party involved.
I went to squareup.com and used Square’s utility to find those merchants accepting [Square? Actually, I’m not sure what these merchants do with Square]. I am in Southern Ohio and was directed to a lot of local RiteAids, Walgreens, Radio Shacks and, get this, WalMart.
Unfortunately I bank at WallyWorld’s Woodforest Bank but then I can stay in the front of the store at the Bank kiosk. But even our crappy local WalMart still sells black powder rifles and some ammunition (and, gasp, bows and arrows!). Why they’re in violation of the Square User Agreement! I’m shocked, shocked.
I’m going to report WalMart to Square. I’m sure Square will want to drop WalMart everywhere and won’t miss the business. Or will it be like GECredit, who shafted the family owned gunstores, but continue financing at WalMart?
I bought a c-9 from a local pawn shop just for practice and to teach my son gun handling and shooting basics. I was surprised at hoe reliable it has been. It is not pretty, it is heavy, and only 8 or 10 rounds. It ha been extremely reliable after over 500 rounds. Now about missing the target completely at 3 yds, cannot blame that on the gun only. I consistently hit beer cans (120z) from 10 yards, and I don’t consider myself a great shooter.
FWD truck with a snow plow on front. Should do it without a shot fired.
Well, this just in (via CNN). Perp was holding gun to head of said hostage and pointed at cops. Cops fired 8 shots. 7 hit perp. 1 hit hostage (RIP) in the head. Tragic. But I guess Nassau P.D. has been putting in more time at the Mitchel Field Range than the my hometown NYPD has. I know we don’t yet have all the deets, but given the hostage-in-the-middle situation, I’m not understanding why they opened fire if they hadn’t been fired upon.
My confusion is further compounded as to why they went blam, blam, blam with relatively inaccurate handguns under duress when even an iron-sight AR would have upped the accuracy significantly.
Hope it works and kill the mag ban keeping Magpul in CO. Overall this shows the difference between elected Sheriffs and fascist appointed Police Chiefs. See the will of the people there!
Does NY state law permit standing one’s ground in a home invasion? I don’t think they do.
While it should have been a DGU in a perfect world, NY is far from a perfect world.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/18/us/new-york-student-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
“New York home invasion suspect killed in shootout was Dalton Smith, 30
He was on parole for first-degree robbery, Nassau County police say
But he was wanted for absconding from parole since April 25, police say”
I read the article and the comments. One of them is an instant classic:
“………the plural of anecdote is not data…………”
Priceless!
I cannot even imagine what the family and the officer involved are suffering through right now. My thoughts and prayers are with them.
Regarding the 3 questions, #3 is the same one I immediately asked myself when reading the story earlier today. It should be the question the family ultimately asks once they have had more time to grieve. New York can have any and every gun law on the books and it would not have prevented this lawless career criminal from obtaining a firearm and using it in a crime.
So sad.
Somebody should do a “Truth About Cars” website… Oh wait.
The only problem is, you have to wait around until someone’s gun “goes off”. Thankfully, that happens like what, every 20 minutes or so? I sleep with a fully loaded .357 and 9mm in my nightstand, and dammed if they both haven’t fired every round of their own volition by the time I wake up.
God Almighty in Heaven can accept any Repentance Piers Morgan has to offer for his despicable behavior towards People of the Gun and their Supporters. And I Thank God Almighty in Heaven most humbly and sincerely that I do not have to make that decision…for I would FAIL the test.
Today I learned there are way too many people in the comments section here who think they are for people’s rights; but are completely OK with police overstepping their bounds and stepping on those rights. Pathetic.
It least they’re recognizing it… somewhat… *sigh*…
The Mini-14 with the folding stock. Jesus Christ.
A guy with an accent with a case, bacpack, duffle bag etc. Man, I live in the bay area. That describes about 75% of the people I see every day. I could keep a couple of SWAT teams busy for the next 10 years.
A customer of mine brought one by the shop last week and I actually did see the BATFE letter that they include when you purchase this item. I also thought the slide-fire stock was going to get banned at some point too.
Massad Ayoob has an interesting post today recommending a book about arming teachers or other school staff. The book is available with an online preview and the arming teachers/staff section starts on page 3. That section is worth the read.
Ayoob’s post is here: http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2013/05/20/a-silver-lining/
The book is here: http://www.blurb.com/b/3957611-school-administrator-s-guide-to-practical-handgun
Just click on the image of the book to get the preview.
It happened in Massachusetts, after Romney signed in his so-called consumer safety govt approval list, for years we had a choice of a dozen models, a few smiths and a few walthers, we have lived this.
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