After Police Shooting, Hawaii Has Gone Completely Insane

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A gaggle of asylum escapees in the Hawaii legislature have filed a bill which will surely stop all future criminal activity in the 50th state:

House Bill 2709 RELATING TO THE UNIFORM PROBATE CODE.

Requires a personal representative of a decedent appointed under the Uniform Probate Code to notify the police department of the appropriate county of any and all firearms in an estate. Requires the police department to certify that all registered firearms in an estate and other firearms of which the police department has been notified are properly transferred or disposed of before the estate may close.

That may seem innocuous enough — allowing that registration and licensing are already bad ideas — but the backstory on this bill is the certifiable crazytown part.

Last month, a chumbucket who was a prohibited person due to a restraining order murdered his landlord, stabbed a woman, obtained a rifle from the landlord’s collection, and then fatally shot two responding police officers.

The landlord apparently inherited a number of firearms from her husband when he died. “ReporterLynn Kawano calls that a “loophole” which HB2907 will surely “close.”

Let me get this straight: these loons legislators believe their bill would have prevented Chumboy’s murderous streak. Because — stick with me now — a representative of the deceased landlord’s estate would have fired up a crystal ball, foreseen the murder by a future tenant, showed up at the crime scene, and taken the gun collection before the violent wack-o could get the rifle.

Call me crazy, but if precognition is a real thing in Hawaii, why didn’t the cops just show up and prevent the landlord’s murder in the first place?

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  1. avatar GS650G says:

    It’s an island so they can get away with anything on hawaii.

    1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      Remember (and stay with me on this, as I don’t agree with it but am only pointing it out), Hawaii doesn’t have the same pioneer streak that the the mainland had for 400 years. We (the collective mainland “we”) have an ancestry who either fought for our independence or came to this nation because of those new freedoms. We then expanded West across the continent, each vanguard generation striking out ahead of the reach of structured law enforcement, which meant those who founded new communities often had to handle their own defense, whether from predators, attackers, or criminals within their own midst. Most of us can recall stories from our own grandparents enjoying gun freedoms, well before today’s madness took hold.

      Hawaii, on the other hand, has its roots in a separate people/culture entirely, wherein firearms were not a mainstay of life.

      This, plus the fact that Hawaiian police are not friendly, especially to mainlander visitors, even though their state’s economy depends upon tourism. Over all the times I’ve been to the islands, all the police officers I’ve seen have always been Polynesians, and super rude. I once asked an officer for assistance on something (he was standing in the middle of a road to block passage, but was wearing a plain coat that completely obscured all department insignia), and he answered in the #1 rudest manner I’ve ever experienced. And I’ve had runs-in with NYPD, Border Patrol, LAPD, you name it. Hawaiian cops have the biggest 2×4 up their own rears of them all.

      That being said, I can totally see why they don’t feel the average American Hawaiian has any reason to own a gun.

      1. avatar GS650G says:

        Then they shouldn’t have become a state 🏖

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Agreed, but those who made the deal for Statehood back in the ’50s are no longer alive today. Sadly, they’ve been replaced by SJW Lefties.

          Just like California (sigh).

        2. avatar Southern Cross says:

          Change Hawaii’s state status back to Protectorate or Province and give the state status to Puerto Rico.

        3. avatar OBOB says:

          I Haz A Question…actually in California its 3 generations of dumb anchor babies voting to be lead by SJW’s because the FEDS did not support the state in its prop 187 to rid itself of the vermin in 1994

        4. avatar neiowa says:

          Trade HI and PR to the chicoms in return for all the US securities they hold.

      2. avatar jwm says:

        They are a culture that was subjugated by men with guns. You would think they would want guns of their own.

      3. avatar Rand says:

        I have a registered handgun with Hawaii as we frequently visit there from Seattle. I have had nothing but extremely professional and friendly contacts with the police there.

        1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

          “Registered” handgun.
          smh

        2. avatar Huntmaster says:

          I see what you did there, that was good… to bad most people won’t get it.

        3. avatar Joseph Malone says:

          under the guise of friendship so they can steal your gun sucker. Police are not professional. They shoot innocent people. I see it on the news all the time. All cops are bad and the only people who defend them are whites sellouts. Honestly they are 100% racist. They only exist to arrest black people and disrupt their lives. The police are pretty much the worst thing in America. Since you claim police are professional you must be a racist. I don’t really get the point of this website. Bunch of right wing wackos and convicted felons. Or worse liars who are shills engaging in misinformation.

        4. avatar Eric Swalwell says:

          ^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^
          We’ll show all these loons when we vote vote Bloomberg in to office this November my friend!! Then we’ll take all their guns and nuke the one’s who resist!!

        5. avatar Rad Man says:

          Joe Malone, that was a mean thing to say. I’ve never been convicted of any of my felonies.

        6. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

          Rad,
          You cracked me up. First good laugh of the day.

          Thank you!

        7. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          “I have a registered handgun with Hawaii…”

          A ‘registered’ gun is the very definition of an “Illegal gun”…

      4. avatar Gary says:

        This is when the courts need to step in and slap these numskulls around and make them recognize we have a Second Amendment.

        1. avatar Widdler says:

          Wait…what there’s two of them? Sorry, but if the books don’t have any pictures their not going to read it. Pop ups seem to give them the biggest giggle, because it’s “magic” you know.

    2. avatar Mad Max says:

      Well, if all of the Climate Change/Global Warming fanatics turn out to be correct, Hawaii won’t be there much longer.

      1. avatar James Campbell says:

        Expect to see the anti-gun Czar Bloomturd fly Greta T into Hawaii (private jet of course), so she can tell the Islanders how disgusting they are for possessing all those firearm.
        Those firearms weigh SO much that the island is sinking, and WILL “tip over” within the next 12 years. All civilian firearms must be dumped into the ocean IMMEDIATELY.
        Dr. Hank Johnson, expert on island “inversions” will then take the stage to answer ALL questions on this very REAL and SERIOUS phenomenon.

        1. avatar James Campbell says:

          Also expect Greta to INSIST she ACTUALLY got to Hawaii by train, having to sleep on the floor, while pro 2nd A Americans (who are all KKK members) kicked her in the head, with steel towed boots, every time she closed her eyes.

        2. avatar James Campbell says:

          Toed, not towed.
          Stupid spellcheck.

      2. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        “Well, if all of the Climate Change/Global Warming fanatics turn out to be correct, Hawaii won’t be there much longer.”

        Wrong, Maxwell.

        If their direst prediction comes true, sea levels will rise a few hundred feet. Mauna Kea, the highest point in Hawaii is over 13,000 feet in elevation.

        So no, Hawaii will *not* down in rising seas…

        1. avatar bastiches says:

          Do most live on the mountain or near the coasts?

        2. avatar Widdler says:

          More population closer to the coast for sure, being it’s a mountainous region it dosen’t take long head up hill and gain elevation. Not where i live on the Big Island anyway

        3. avatar Geoff PR says:

          When the waters rise, people will move, bastiches…

    3. avatar Phil says:

      @ GS650 The US more or less forced the Monarcy out and set up our own Government. We pretty much left them no choice but to become a state.

      There is very little violence and a lot of guns, most unregistered. Oahu is the only island with gun registration. Was stationed there a few years nothing was ever said to me about my guns but I also did not flaunt them. Only major thing that sticks in my head is pistols have to have 10 or less rounds. None of this is really enforced it’s mostly Hawaiians, Filipinos. Just don’t leave your car parked for several weeks, they will start taking it apart for you. Unless you are doing other things wrong they will never mess with you.

      A lot of Filipino girls I dated had never seen a gun let alone held or shot one. When I go back this year I was asked to bring my 9mm AR that seemed to be the girls favorite.

      1. avatar Widdler says:

        Actually all the islands require registration, on all firearms. Two week waiting period for handguns, yearly renewal permit for long guns. Getting caught with an unregistered firearm will put you in illegal possession.

        1. avatar Phil says:

          It’s been a couple years Oahu was the only one at the time. So they catch you with an unregistered gun? Who cares at worst you have to register it and pay a fine. I shot about every other month and was as never asked for gun registration. I had to visit the police department once to get a police report about an accident and there were people lined up to register guns, most looked or are Military so the consequences for them are probably worse if they get “caught” with and unregistered gun. My Commander would of said screw um so I was not too worried. That’s assuming the officer I got didn’t tell me to just go register them if it ever got to that point. I had to make several trips both to and from Hawaii with 3 Pelican 1750 cases loaded with guns and no one even batted an eye. There really is no control and no enforcement was my point but most of you completely missed that.

        2. avatar Widdler says:

          They started tightening up the laws in the 90’s, and only gotten stricter since. See it in the local news a couple times a week someone got pulled over with a firearm in the car. I work with people that move in from out of state that refuse to register and all I can say is don’t get caught, someone breaks in your house don’t shoot them. No castle doctrine here anyway, duty to retreat. No doubt there’s a lot of them out there unregistered, but cops have been cracking down on it for years.

      2. avatar GS650G says:

        “We pretty much left them no choice but to become a state. ”

        Well they certainly chose to ignore the rules and constitution at this point.

        1. avatar Phil says:

          Numerous other states do as well, getting mad about it won’t solve it. I simply ignored the laws, carried on and enjoyed my time there.

  2. avatar jwm says:

    9th circuit is being rebuilt by Trump. Anybody want to let bernie or bloomie make those choices?

    1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      Trump 2020!

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        And Trump Jr. 2024.

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          There’s someone a *lot* better for 2024, and it will melt Leftist minds with *rage* :

          Former U.S. Ambassador Nikki “I don’t get confused!” Haley.

          Leftists hate intelligent conservative women…

        2. avatar Napresto says:

          I’m totally on board for Haley in 2024! And I’m deeply skeptical of political dynasties. The Trump offspring can easily find other things to do.

      2. avatar doesky2 says:

        Bill Barr 2024.
        Man did he give a smackdown to the Left and the media last week.

  3. avatar Randy Jones says:

    Hawaii, one more state (like California) I have no plans to visit or live in.

    1. avatar Islander says:

      Don’t worry, we won’t miss you.

      1. avatar Jackal says:

        No but you’ll miss your guns. I’ll keep mine thanks.

        1. avatar Islander says:

          Whatever man. Like TTAG’s main man James Campbell, I gots more heat than the sun. Y’all don’t want this smoke!

      2. avatar James Campbell says:

        Good for you islanders.
        Enjoy that “heat” (LEO and anti-gun) the first time you flash some of your “heat” in public.
        Me? I can walk into my local Home Depot with a 50AE DEagle in a drop leg holster without any issues.
        WTF good are gun if you can’t use or take in public?

        1. avatar Islander says:

          You carry a Deagle???

        2. avatar James Campbell says:

          Did it on a bet after a day at the shooting property.
          I carry a PPQ45 and AMT Backup.

        3. avatar NJ2AZ says:

          standard finish or gold plated?

          if gold plated, with tiger stripes?

        4. avatar James Campbell says:

          I could never bring myself to purchase a DEagle until the stainless/ported MK XIX was released. I was at the range when someone a few lanes over started shooting one and knew I had to have one. There’s something about seeing it in stainless that made me have to order one.

      3. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

        Islander, if those tourist’s dollars dried up today; would you miss them? As a resident of the largest tourist driven economy in the United States; Florida recognizes the CCW of 34 different states (at my last count, or was it 38?) Anyway, anyone can carry a loaded firearm in their vehicle under very loose restrictions. We have more coastline, attractions, fresh and salt water fishing, hunting and, well, everything than Hawaii. And you can drive here. A friend owns a condo on one of the islands. Overlooks the ocean from a cliff. Charles has offered me use of it often. I always declined with thanks. His 1000 acres of hunting land in SC I’ve taken advantage of many times. It’s you that won’t be missed.

      4. avatar Everyday_Carrier says:

        Islander:

        Wut? Put down the pipe bruh

      5. avatar George WashingtonGl says:

        Stfu you savage…. The United States conquered that abysmal volcano you live on years ago…
        Nobody will envy you once you’re swallowed by PELE

      6. avatar frank speak says:

        not the most intelligent response from a state which depends so heavily on tourism….

        1. avatar Widdler says:

          Well, you’re not wrong. It damn near solely depends on it, and thinks federal funding is just an allowance from mom and dad.

    2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      Beautiful place to visit, Randy. I highly recommend taking a couple of weeks in Northwestern Maui. But live there?…

      When I got a tattoo there a few years ago, the parlor owner – who was born and raised in the Midwest but had moved to Hawaii for a dozen years – said “Gawd, I gotta get off this [expletive] island!”

      Great to visit, but unless you have a thriving business there and love what you do, it’s not a perfect place to live.

      1. avatar James Campbell says:

        Nobody asked you.

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          …you’re not the real JC, so…

        2. avatar James Campbell says:

          Just some TDS trolls losing their sh!t.

      2. avatar Dude says:

        I loved it there. I didn’t want to leave, but I guess it would get old after awhile. I’ve heard that there’s some racism toward whites.

        1. avatar GS650G says:

          Just a little. The Japanese own a lot of Hawaii so they probably resent them too.

      3. avatar Widdler says:

        I haz:
        Right and right, it is beautiful here. Hell it’s a tropical oasis, definatly worth a look but save you’re pennies. To people thinking about moving here…..DON’T. It’s a trap, most people will give up a lot of freedoms and conveniences just to be over charged for everything and live broke.

    3. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

      “Hawaii, one more state (like California) I have no plans to visit or live in.”

      It’s a beautiful place, I lived in Pearl City as a kid in the late 60s.

      My parents had a chance to buy the house we were renting at the time, for $20,000. They passed on the opportunity.

      A few years back, my parents got a Christmas card from the folks who lived next door to them at the time. The house we rented had just sold for $360,000…

      1. avatar Widdler says:

        Sounds about right, that’s pretty close to what my place is worth right now. Only 93k left on the mortgageđź‘Ť

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          Gun freedom is coming your way in the near future…

  4. avatar Texican says:

    They still seem to run it like it was a corrupt territory. It’ll get straightened out eventually.

    1. avatar Everyday_Carrier says:

      lol ok.

  5. avatar Steve Eisenberg says:

    They don’t call them “howlies’ for nothing.

    1. avatar Widdler says:

      “Haole” fixed itđź‘Ť

  6. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    Having the regular person being able to pass along family property to other family members is a cornerstone of the american foundation. And the Liberals and the Left have always hated it. They don’t want the rich to inherit property. They don’t want the poor to inherit property.
    And the Libertarian Socialists are just as bad.

    1. avatar Red in CO says:

      No such thing as “libertarian socialist”. Libertarians aren’t socialist and socialists aren’t libertarian; those are two diametrically opposed and fundamentally incompatible ideologies. A “libertarian socialist” would be like a “meat eating vegetarian”

      1. avatar Phil says:

        You are wasting your time arguing with this guy. He just has it in his head Libertarians bad. I call it LDS a relative to TDS. He also thinks freedom is his version of freedom and no one else’s.

        1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          And from the Libertarian Party. Libertarian socialism explained.

          https://www.lpmn.org/libertarian-socialism-winona-rachel/

          I don’t have to make up anything that I say. But I do understand people don’t like what I say. They just refuse to believe in facts. Libertarians smoke too much dope. It affects their ability to reason.

      2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

        And here is another one.

        “The Rise Of Libertarian Socialism And The Decline of Freedom”

        https://thefederalist.com/2016/02/04/the-rise-of-libertarian-socialism-and-the-decline-of-freedom/

        Libertarians are totally clueless as to what is going on around them in the Libertarian hive mind way of thinking.

        1. avatar Phil says:

          You are simply hopeless, go back to ranting about drugs and dildos. You seem to be an expert at both.

  7. avatar Ed P says:

    Back up a bit. My reading of the bill wouldn’t have really changed anything. The guns would transfer to her. IF she was legally able to retain them. So, the guns would still be “available” to the chumbucket.

    1. avatar Dude says:

      Never let a tragedy go to waste.

    2. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

      Think of all the lives that could be saved if they had closed the stealing-guns-from-the-landlord-you-just-murdered-who-inherited-them-without-registering-the-change-in-ownership-with-the-police loophole! Registering the transfer in ownership with the police surely would have stopped this massacre.

      1. avatar Someone says:

        Well, duh! Only unregistered guns are used for crime. Registration with the government (of course only after propper vetting and licensing of the the owner, background check and couple of weeks or months of cooling period) works like a Pope’s blessing – it repels all evil.

      2. avatar Napresto says:

        “Landlord killed by thieving murderers and inheritance law loopholes, but mostly thieving murderers. Details at 11:00.”

  8. avatar Dude says:

    In other news, TN Gov announced a plan for constitutional carry. The red shirts were there for the announcement. They’re on top of things, that’s for sure, but I guess with funding from Bloomberg they should be.

    https://twitter.com/bundgaard2/status/1233077053802635264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      Great to hear and thank you for the pleasant news. On the other side of the freedom spectrum we have another proposed bit of future Supreme Court topics aka NY legislation in general http://www.gunpoliticsny.com/?p=21286

  9. avatar Dennis says:

    Never let a tragedy go to waste! That could be the battle cry for the DNC.

  10. avatar jeff says:

    Let me get this straight, if I die my firearms are not community property? How do they know they are not my wife’s?

    1. avatar Someone says:

      Registration. As simple as that.

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        Reminds me I need to research how that works when both spouses get pistols up here, be damned if I will let the state take anything more than I am forced to give it.

  11. avatar Kevin says:

    I own property on the Big Island but I certainly would not live there because of the ridiculous anti-gun laws. You would think that they are Californicators.

    1. avatar Islander says:

      Sure you do Kevin.

  12. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    We should just trade Hawaii for Peurto Rico.

    1. avatar Widdler says:

      Or sell it to Japan (who really wants it anyway) and payoff the national debt, OR….Convert it into the greatest prison the world has ever seen! Think about it, there’s a natural inferno not 30 miles from where i’m sitting at the moment🤔

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        I always wondered why property was somewhat-reasonably priced down there, and then came all the cool eruption videos eating homes and cars.

        Has the lava waterfall pouring into the sea stopped yet?

        I have to admit I laughed when the tourist boat got nailed by a lava bomb, they wanted to see an eruption up close, and that’s exactly what they got, broken bones and all! 🙂

        1. avatar Widdler says:

          There’s always lava coming out somewhere along that coast, if the tunnel clogs up it back builds and pops out somewhere else. And that tour company did get sued over the whole lava bomb incident. Bad call playing that close to it, i can’t remember what the settlement went for though.

  13. avatar Rusty - Molon Labe - Chains says:

    I won’t go places I am unwelcome to carry, way too many magnificent places left on my list to care about those that are controlled by hoplophobes.

  14. avatar Peegeetwo says:

    Nobody wants to hear the truth.

    1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

      “Nobody wants to hear the truth.”

      What is not welcome here is promoting the dangerous health practices you espouse :

      “A Few Words on TTAG’s Comment Policy”

      “At the same time, completely off-topic comments for or against childhood vaccinations, the danger of water fluoridation, whether the moon landing was a hoax or not or similar non-gun related content will be zapped.”

      https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/a-few-words-on-ttags-comment-policy/

      Notice who signed that post, ‘pee-gee’, it was Dan Z., who happens to be the guy in charge here.

      So keep your ‘truth’ to yourself… 🙂

  15. avatar Joseph Malone says:

    The intent and scope of that bill are extremely offensive. It is far from innocous. Innoucous is a word used by media when they are sucking up to gungrabbers.

  16. avatar Noamsaying says:

    I am a probate attorney. The loophole in this laughable law is the term “close the estate.” Most estates are never closed. I have closed one estate in 27 years of practice. I would not have to do squat under this law.

  17. avatar possum says:

    Yup, ah did have a bunch of gunms, but the bottom melted out of the boat while fishing Lava Lake.

    1. avatar Widdler says:

      Could happen i guess, but remember Hawaii law states you have to report lost or stolen firearms with in 24 hours of discovery (maybe it’s 48) whatever. Either way, they’ve got you by the balls for a criminal conviction. These Asians know how to set the deck

      1. avatar possum says:

        You tell me when I went fishing, I will tell you when the boat sank.

  18. avatar MDH says:

    VOTE in November. The Supreme Court, properly staffed, can and will strike down illegal, unconstitutional gun laws nationwide.

  19. avatar Debbie W. says:

    Sicko anti gun zealots are laying in wait for the next nitwit to go on a rampage. Before bodies are at room temp anti gun zealots will be screaming for gun bans and restrictions that effect people who had zip NADA nothing to do with the crime. This programed response from these insane anti gun rats needs to end. We are sick of innocent people and the NRA being blamed for the criminal acts of individuals who obviously could give a poop about obeying the laws that state you cannot harm others using hands, feet, knives, guns, bats, etc. We don’t run to ban motor vehicles when a drunk driver kills a family, etc. Why? Because it would be totaly ignorant to do so and the same holds true especially for a Constitutional Right.
    Frankly sicko anti gun zealots should be held liable for giving gullible parents a false sense of security with Gun Free Zone Signs.

  20. avatar stredford says:

    NO, NO, NO, you all have got it all wrong, forget about gun laws, it is plain to see they need a law that prohibits killing people… if they had that law this would have never happened. That is what laws are – magical words written down to make people behave the way they should. Our state has a law making it illegal to drive drunk, now that we have it, as if by magic, nobody ever drives drunk anymore.

  21. avatar Kyle says:

    Authoritarians gotta mandate.

    I’ve a theory that the closer you are to water the more insipid you become.

    Hawaii is surrounded by it.

    1. avatar Dave G. says:

      Kyle:
      You must mean SALT water. Here in Michigan we are close to water, but it’s FRESH water, and we are not insipid (whatever that means).

      From the American Heritage College Dictionary:
      insipid adj. 1. Lacking flavor or zest; not tasty. 2. Lacking excitement, stimulation or interest; dull.

      I’ll skip the etymology of the word in the interests of brevity.

      1. avatar Widdler says:

        Dave, just curious you on the mitten or U.P.? Only asking because the U.P. is on my Real Estate watch list, wondering if i’m missing anything when it comes to firearm rules and regs. Ccp, transport etc I’ve researched it online and downloaded the .gov pdf files of course.

        1. avatar Dave G. says:

          @ Widdler:
          Metropolitan Detroit (mitten). For more information check the USCCA reciprocity map, which has a pretty good summary of state gun laws for each state.

          https://assets.cdn.usconcealedcarry.com/pdf/guides/USCCA_ConcealedCarryMap.pdf

  22. avatar Big Haole says:

    Hawaii is a shithole – should have named it Detroit Island

    1. avatar Widdler says:

      It’s ok to call it what it is bro, a gas station. A really expensive gas station, the prettiest place presidents and their wives have ever pulled over to pee.

  23. The Minority Report….
    Awaiting the next 1775….

  24. avatar Idont getit says:

    Not sure I understand the argument in the article or maybe I am misunderstanding or reading wrong?

    1) it states he was a prohibited person from owning a firearm due to a restraining order.

    2) it says the deceased’s widow simply gave him the firearms without any formal transfer process

    3) it states the new law would require such transfers be done via the police department to verify if he was prohibited or not

    So what’s the big deal here?

    Follow me here, #3 would have flagged #1 and prevented #2

    The precognition and crystal ball comments make no sense to me since he was already on a prohibited list and had due diligence been performed during a legitimate transfer process he would not have received the deceased’s firearms.

  25. A “loophole” is nothing more than “a provision in the law that I don’t like.”

  26. avatar Lucy Bowels says:

    Can’t be true, I saw Hawaii 50 and everyone had guns, most were full auto

  27. avatar Valorius says:

    The gun laws are the only reason I don’t still live in Hawaii.

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