That’s my take away from this not entirely short press release from Hunt for Truth (after the jump): if the state bans traditional lead ammo and the ATF insists that non-traditional ammo is no-no (armor-piercing and all that), California hunters will be SOL. That would be a disaster. Remember when your history teacher told you that environmentally insensitive white guys slaughtered millions of buffalo out West? Before the white guys arrived, disease had more-or-less wiped out the native American population. When the natives stopped hunting (’cause they were dead), the buffalo population exploded. Removing hunters from the California eco-system might not have such catastrophic effects. But it might. Banning ammo to “save the condors” could screw-up the whole shooting match. So to speak. Now, truth vs. fiction . . .
[The following is a press release found via Ammoland]
The following is an excerpt of The Audubon Society’s “Facts Sheet” recently published in support of AB 711, and the Hunt for Truth’s response to “Their” alleged facts.
Their “Myth” – The 2007 ban on the use of lead ammunition in the range of the California condor hasn’t worked, despite high levels of compliance among hunters.
Their “Fact” – The situation for condors and other wildlife species has improved because of the ban. A recent study by researchers at the UC Davis Wildlife Health Center found that lead exposure in both Golden Eagles and Turkey Vultures declined significantly after the condor ban was implemented.
The Truth: Blood-lead levels in California condors have not declined for within the “condor zone” because condors are being significantly exposed to alternative sources of bioavailable lead, including documented evidence of lead paint chip and lead-contaminated microtrash ingestion. The AB 821 lead ammunition ban (the Ridley-Tree Condor Preservation Act) has done nothing to prevent the alternative sources of lead in the condor zone.
Their “Fact” – Condors continue to suffer because it only takes a small amount of lead in the environment to do a great deal of damage. One contaminated carcass can easily jeopardize six or more condors feeding on the same carcass.
The Truth: The paper by researchers at the UC Davis Wildlife Health Center was fatally flawed. The authors attempted to compare blood-lead levels in golden eagles and turkey vultures before and after the AB 821 lead ammunition ban. However, 70% of the authors’ blood-lead tests were taken after a lead ammunition ban was put into place at Tejon Ranch, but those samples were characterized as pre AB 821 lead ban blood-lead tests. Despite the flaw, this paper is still cited and is a prime example of the faulty science used by self-proclaimed environmentalists.
Their “Fact” – While preliminary studies of condors in its California range from 2008 indicate that lead levels are declining, a more comprehensive study completed in 2012 by UC Santa Cruz researchers found that condors continue to be exposed to deadly levels of lead.
The Truth: Several scientific studies have shown that it is extremely difficult to poison raptors with metallic lead, even with constant forced feeding of large amounts of metallic lead shot with food over extended periods of time. In contrast, it is quite easy to poison raptors and other wildlife when they exposed to an alternative source of soluble lead such as lead paint chips and other lead-contaminated microtrash.
Their “Fact” – The California Department of Fish and Wildlife reported high levels of compliance a year after the 2007 law went into effect, but further reports from the field unfortunately call that result into question. With fewer than 200 wardens patrolling the entire state at any given time, compliance with the law from both lawful hunting and unregulated activities due to poaching is difficult to measure.
The Truth: A paper published by The Wildlife Society found that lead ammunition fragments in game carcasses were not a source of lead exposure or poisoning in large carnivores and concluded that hunting season has no effect on the blood-lead levels in large carnivores. In addition, the study’s data indicate a continuous, year-round alternative source.
Their “Myth” – Non-lead bullets cost twice as much as lead bullets, and aren’t nearly as accurate.
Their “Fact” – A recent comprehensive review of the market for non-lead ammunition concluded that “there is no major difference in the retail price of equivalent lead-free and lead-core ammunition for most popular calibers.”
The Truth: The price of non-lead ammunition has dropped, but it still costs more than lead-based ammunition, up to 30% more. Additionally, the ultimate cost is the unknown effects on wildlife that come from using alternative ammunition such as copper, which has been shown to be toxic, and tungsten, which has been shown to be a carcinogen. In general, alternative ammunition metals are known to have harmful effects on wildlife, and are likely to cause many new problems if lead is no longer available.
Their “Fact” – The researcher found that “lead-free ammunition has set benchmark standards for accuracy, lethality, and safety. Lead-free bullets are made in 35 different calibers and 51 rifle cartridge designations. Thirty-seven companies distribute internationally ammunition made with lead free bullets.
Their “Fact” – Never before has non-lead ammunition been so affordable and the price continues to decline.
The Truth: The availability of non-lead ammunition in different calibers is questionable at best, and there are still many calibers that are not available. Even if the caliber is being made and marketed, hunters are still reportedly having a difficult time finding and purchasing the ammunition.
Their “Myth” – There is no evidence that poisoned birds got the lead from ammo/gut piles. Lead could be coming from other sources.
Their “Fact” – The UC Davis Wildlife Health Center study showed that blood lead concentration in turkey vultures was significantly higher during the deer hunting season compared to the off-season, and blood lead concentration also increased with increasing intensity of wild pig hunting at study sites.
The Truth: Most of the condors’ diet is cattle carcasses from nearby ranches, not hunters’ gut piles. Cattle are very prone to lead poisoning. Feeding on lead-poisoned cattle is more dangerous than feeding on lead ammunition because the lead in the cattle is more bioavailable than the lead in ammunition.
Their “Fact” – The UC Santa Cruz researchers definitively identified the isotopic fingerprint of lead from ammunition and associated it with the source of exposure and poisoning in condors.
The Truth: The UC Davis Wildlife Health Center study regarding turkey vultures is fatally flawed. The authors did not properly assess the California Department of Fish & Wildlife’s hunter’s take data, which was integral to their conclusions. Even with the flawed assumptions, methodologies and conclusions by the UC Davis researchers, self-proclaimed environmentalists still cite the paper, despite the faulty science.
The Truth: The UC Santa Cruz researchers claimed that they identified the lead source of exposure and poisoning in condors using an isotopic compositional analysis. The truth is that isotopic compositional analysis cannot be used to positively identify a single source of lead from commercially available ammunition.
Their “Myth” – Non-lead ammunition is not as accurate or effective as lead ammunition.
Their “Fact” – It is the effectiveness of non-lead ammunition that first ignited interested in alternatives to lead. Safari Club International was the first to sing non-lead ammunition’s praises during safari hunts in Africa. Many hunters are voluntarily changing ammunition type
because of the improved “knock down” power and accuracy of non-lead ammunition.
The Truth: Because most alternative metals are less dense than lead, they lose energy and velocity in flight faster than lead and retain less down-range energy. For rifle ammunition, alternative metals are able to offer similar performance to lead at close range, but the generally lower density of non-lead alternatives undermines their ballistic performance above 100-150 yards and makes lead a superior ammunition for long-range targets. In addition, bullets used for large game mammals during safari hunts in Africa are generally of solid construction, not the expanding design usually approved for taking big game in North America. Lead ammunition also provides superior terminal performance and a more humane kill, as harder alternative ammunition can allow game to escape and remain in the field to die.
Their “Fact” – A 2006 survey by the Arizona Game and Fish Department found that hunters overwhelmingly approved of both the accuracy and performance of non-lead ammunition compared to their experience with lead.
The Truth: Bullets used for large game mammals during safari hunts in Africa cannot be compared to the bullets used for taking big game in North America. The bullets used in safari hunts are generally of solid construction while the bullets used in North America are designed to expand. Comparing the two different types of bullets is like comparing apples with oranges.
Their “Myth” – Federal law preempts any lead ammunition limits because of the body armor piercing issue.
Their “Fact” – This is just the latest red herring generated by the manufacturing industry intended only to slow the progress of lead ammunition abatement policy. The industry’s claims are especially dubious given that they continue to manufacture and sell non-lead ammunition for sporting purposes, despite their alleged legal concerns.
Their “Fact” – The federal law banning armor piercing ammunition has been on the books since 1968 and contains a specific exemption for “sporting purposes.” The law has never been interpreted as prohibiting ammunition for hunting purposes, and ATF has made no effort to interfere with either the longstanding federal waterfowl ban on lead ammunition or California’s recent condor habitat ban.
The Truth: The ATF has made a determination that non-lead ammunition for rifles and handguns meets the tests for armor piercing ammunition, because of its chemical composition. Add in the fact that various makes and models of handguns exist that can shoot virtually all of the alternative ammunition. Thus, it is illegal under both state and federal laws to use or possess such armor piercing ammunition. To date, ATF has not granted any waivers for alternative ammunition under the “sporting purpose” exemption.
Their “Myth” – Alternatives to lead ammunition are also highly toxic and problematic for the environment.
Their “Fact” – While non-lead ammunition does contain substances that can be considered toxic under some circumstances, there is absolutely no evidence that these materials pose anything close the environmental threat that lead ammunition presents.
The Truth: Alternative ammunition containing bismuth, tungsten, copper, and jacketed steel have all raised various concerns among conservationists. Recent studies show that bismuth has been found to leach into the soil and groundwater and interfere with soil bacteria. Other studies demonstrate that tungsten, which is transformed to a soluble form by oxidation, can accumulate in the spleen of wildlife and possibly cause immune system disorders. Even copper has been shown to be toxic under certain circumstances, and has been found to be the primary cause of mortality in certain condors exposed to copper fragments and microtrash containing copper.
The Truth: Lead ammunition from the Civil War has been in the field for over a century with no negative environmental impact. Minie balls found on 150 year-old battlefields retain most of their shape and mass because metallic lead is not very soluble and does not tend to migrate. In other words, lead ammunition does not tend to dissolve and wash away in surface or ground water and is not the threat that environmentalists claim.
Their “Myth” – This campaign is a thinly disguised effort to limit hunting.
Their “Fact” – As noted above, hunters have been shifting toward non-lead ammunition for both technical and conservation reasons for years.
The Truth: AB 711 is sponsored by the Humane Society of the United States. Nearly two decades ago, the present Humane Society President and CEO Wayne Pacelle stated, “We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States. We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.”
Their “Fact” – A 1991 federal ban on the use of lead shot for hunting waterfowl had little impact on the number of hunting licenses issued in California, and subsequently enabled the resurgence of many populations of ducks, geese, and other species being killed off by poisoning from lead shot.
Their “Fact” – The 2007 requirement of non-lead ammunition in the condor range did not reduce the number of deer tags issued.
Their “Fact” – Condors and eagles benefit from animal remains left over from hunting if lead contamination is not a factor. Hunting can actually be a conservation benefit by increasing available food supplies for scavenging species.
The Truth: Hunting is Conservation. There are many conservation benefits of hunting. The population of elk, whitetails, ducks, wild turkeys, and pronghorns has increased dramatically thanks to the money and hard work by hunters to restore and conserve habitat. Additionally, the tax hunters pay for their equipment has raised more than $2 billion for wildlife conservation, which comes to about $280 million per year. Most important, hunting is a wildlife management tool that helps balance wildlife populations with its habitat, which in turn limits property damage (e.g., crops) and curtails outbreaks of disease.
Their “Myth” – This campaign is taking advantage of current anti-gun sentiment.
Their “Fact” – Each of the sponsoring organizations supported the use of non-lead ammunition long before the recent political push for gun control legislation.
The Truth: There is no dispute that the sponsors of this bill have been pushing for a lead ammunition ban for many years, but they are using the current anti-gun sentiment and tried and true scare tactics to push their “get the lead out” campaign. These anti-lead ammunition groups seized the opportunity despite the California Fish and Game Commission’s urging to “allow us the opportunity to try to make this work before you go to the legislature and get a bill going. That’s what rushed it through the last time. Give us an opportunity [to address this issue] first.”
Their “Fact” – Audubon’s founder first extolled the risks from lead ammunition in 1894, and Audubon was the primary sponsor of the 2007 legislation.
The Truth: The California Fish and Game Commission set up a working committee to investigate both sides of the lead ammunition debate, and to make an informed decision based on the facts and sound science. But before the working committee even started, the lead ammunition ban proponents disregarded the Commission’s admonishment, circumvented the Commission’s committee process, and convinced an assembly member to introduce AB 711 in the legislature, where the science will not be scrutinized.
Their “Myth” – This law would place an undue burden on all gun owners.
Their “Fact” – Assembly Bill 711 only creates a requirement for non-lead ammunition for hunting in California.
Their “Fact” – This excludes law enforcement, home security, target shooting, and other non-hunting uses.
The Truth: The undue burden on all firearms owners is based on the limited availability and the higher cost of non-lead ammunition. The cost of non-lead ammunition is up to 30% higher than traditional lead-based ammunition and non-lead ammunition is not available in all calibers. With the ATF’s determination that non-lead ammunition for rifles and pistols meets the test for armor piercing ammunition due to its chemical composition, if AB 711 is passed hunters may not be able to hunt because there will be no legal ammunition for hunting in California.
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The Truth:
Over 90% of all species that have ever lived on the earth are already extinct.
We white guys didn’t kill them all.
That is one UGLY bird.
This may or may not have brought a tear to me eye. I’ll let your imagination wander.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRA_International This is the Contracting firm.
Lead is not even close to the leading cause of mortality for these birds. Windmills, electric lines and vehicles destroy most of these animals. I don’t hear anyone calling for a ban on these.
We have no idea what the natural, background level of lead is in the blood steam of a free range condor, primarily because there is no such thing as a free range condor. For all we know, our breeding effort has produced a bird that sucks up environmental lead like a vacuum cleaner and is addicted to chelation.
The real damage that man did to the condor took place when John Muir was actually running the Sierra Club and human pouching managed to all but wipe the last Gymnogyps from existence. What we have now are the gene pool-deficient ancestors of the last 27 birds that were all captured and taken into captivity in 1987. We are so zealous about the current 220 “wild” birds that we recapture them on a regular basis just to poke, prod, suck blood and pull feathers from them – nice “wild” existence. In short, the remaining population is a flock of mealy-mouthed, inbreed, shadows of what condors used to be.
In 2008, the Governator signed a lead ammo ban in the California range of the condor. 4 years later there is no appreciable decrease in the blood-lead levels in birds in that range (which are recaptured on a regular basis just to be poked, prodded, blood sucked and feathers pulled – nice “wild” existence). Because that didn’t work they now want to increase the range of the ban, and also ban lead shoot from the larger area (sound like the tactics of any other groups mentioned on this form?)
All well put. The wild turkeys on some Nor Cal property I own are cute (in their ugly way), but they are chowing down on my grape crop — which is already pretty limited.
In the other direction, some feral pigs are roto-tilling my parents rural acreage. They are very destructive. Killing them would be a public service.
If you think that AB711 is the greatest of our worries here in CA, then you haven’t been paying much attention. Try SB47, SB53, SB293, SB374, SB396, SB567, AB48, AB187, AB500, and AB760.
Those are only some of the 29 gun control bills sliming their way through our legislature. If just the ones I listed pass, then they will:
-tax ammo like cigarettes
-make all handguns illegal
-make magazines nearly impossible to obtain
-outlaw 90%+ of semi-automatic rifles, including the Ruger 10/22
-require fingerprints, background checks, and a FFL for ammo transfer (a father giving ammo to his son would be a felon)
And most (if not all) of these bills are going to be passed into law by the braindead elected officials in Sacramanto. Gov. Brown has said that he wants to expand gun laws in CA to be #1 in the nation. It really is a race to the bottom.
Y’know, ever since I found out about Britain’s soaring violence statistics, I’ve joked about the nation “not being trustworthy with steak knives anymore”. But to find out that people are in fact trying to ban dinner cutlery…Damn….just…just Damn.
That bird has an uncanny resemblance to a certain Kalifornia female Senator.
We are very lucky that Collins is with us. Because if he was with them — the gungrabbers — they’d clean our clocks.
They may not support a DGU in the legal/clinical sense, but any person whose seen a physical confrontation (no weapons other than body) knows that one of the participants can, quite easily, end up dead either by design or accident.
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There’s a point no one has mentioned – an unintended consequence, as ’twere.
This video is unflinchingly sweet and heart-warming – big hearts on display, demonstrative of community and positive values, et cetera.
It also takes place at a range, among an obviously wholesome crowd representing multiple genders, age groups and ethnicities.
In short, it’s a first-rate PR video – largely because it probably wasn’t trying to be.
This should be promoted and linked FAR AND WIDE. Something like this is worth a thousand facts and statistics.
I’m off to spread the word; later, dudes…
OK, so lead is a no, no. Well, let all of the hunters switch to gold and platinum bullets. Both metals are more dense than lead, they’re malleable, will have better BC’s and they essentially chemically inert. There, problem solved. You’re welcome.
Again, I just don’t get it.
These not-quite-human fools have spurned tooth and nail, and can only sip life though a power-assisted straw.
It boggles the mind.
Can we start calling balls and strikes as we see them? The reason the programs designed to arm law abiding citizens who complete state requirements, safety courses, and background checks are unpopular amongst grabbers is because they’re racists. The objection they have is to firearms in the hands of non-wealthy, non-white individuals. No one complains about Bloomberg’s army of guards, concealed carry permits to the rich and powerful, or $20,000 hunting shotguns. They complain about poor people who have guns. They demand $400+ in fees for registration because they know this keeps poor people disenfranchised.
The 2nd Amendment is and always has had a class component to it. It’s time to call it out.
I’m so tired of this idea that law abiding gun owners support gun control, and any gun owner that doesn’t support whatever insane bit of legislation being forced on them is a criminal.
You could propose the most rational and reasonable law at this point and I won’t listen to you because you’ve insulted and called me a criminal so much that I don’t care what you have to say anymore.
Uh, isn’t this one of those canary in the coal mines kind of things?
Ya know, I used to kinda like that bird when I was young and dumb. But, now that I am grown up, and have some respect for the 2nd Amendment, I hate that ugly f***ker. Why? Because, that bird is nothing more than a convenient excuse that the libs in Sacramento use to try to ban hunting in this state.