I’m not a statistician. And I’m a little bit suspicious of a poll run by “a learning community advancing the ideals of a liberal arts education, rooted in its identity as a Franciscan and Catholic institution.” But Sienna Research Institute subscribes to the American Association of Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) Code of Professional Ethics and Practices. And they were kind enough to send me the raw data and questions for their poll. [Click here for the pdf.] So I’m going to accept their findings. Q12: “As you may have heard, New York’s Governor and Legislature recently enacted the toughest gun control law in the country. Do you support or oppose the state’s new gun law?” A clear majority of those polled gave a thumbs-up to the wildly unconstitutional SAFE Act . . .
Sixty-five percent of 1,154 New York State registered voters supported the laws, 35 percent opposed. Needless to say, the results were split along party lines. Eighty-two percent of Democrats supported the legislation vs. 33 percent of Republicans.
Q13 asks “Some have said that the state’s new gun law was passed in haste, without enough time for careful review or to gage whether or not there was public support for the new law. They point to the fact that the Governor and Legislature have already admitted that corrections to the new law need to be enacted. Supporters say the law was long overdue and was needed. Which of the following two statements comes closest to your opinion:”
Fifty-six percent chose: “The law was needed and while passed quickly was the right thing to do.”
Forty-two percent chose “The law was rushed through without adequately considering public opinion and the effect the law would have.”
Two percent had no opinion.
Given the political makeup of the states where gun rights are at risk of new civilian disarmament legislation—e.g., Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey and Rhode Island— SRI poll would tend to indicate that gun owners living in these areas are f*ked.
This despite (or because of) a Quinnipiac University poll that found NY Governor Andrew Cuomo’s post-SAFE Act favorability ratings fell from 74-13 percent approval rating in December to a 59-28 percent favorability rating in January.
In truth, if not for the United States Constitution this would be both a done deal and an irrecoverable assault on the right to keep and bear arms. That and gun owners’ ability to make themselves heard.
“Who … needs an assault weapon? Like really, unless you’re carrying out an assault”
Well, this is awkward. Does he realize “assault” is used because it invokes violent imagery? Assaults are best carried out with things other than “assault weapons”.
“Who needs a ‘cancer stick’, you know unless you’re going to carry out some stick cancer stuff.”
That doesn’t make sense. Don’t expect celebrities to make sense.
Sixty-two percent of New York residents are already slaves. This is merely supportive of the fact.
One gets the representatives one deserves, it’s said. That sounds about right, in the case of the Empire State, which is aptly named.
Sad that a little island’s population rules over a whole state.
As Bill Whittle says “Slowly, slowly…”
Anything they get will be a restriction on the 2A.
So if the majority of New Yorkers agreed to rescind a womans right to vote that would make it legal?
jwm,
In fascist states like NY um yes since they follow the democratic tendency of rule by the whimsical mob vs. the republic concept of rule by law. BTW, I’m taking you up on your suggestion and looking into semi-autos for home defense. I’m intrigued with the CZ 712 Utility model (semi-auto shotgun) that comes with a 20″ barrel and adjustable choke tubes. MSRP $488.
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-712-utility/
That’s a reasonable price for a semi auto shotgun. I’m not familiar with that particular model but CZ puts out good stuff.
What I’m looking into now is a coach gun. I know, Aharon, it’s only 2 shots. But I have repeaters. What I want now is something that’s dead nuts reliable and not ammo sensitive. Even black powder will work in a break action.
In a true collapse of the system that goes long term it may be the best shotgun to have. I’m not 100% sold yet, but I’m very close.
I haven’t found many ‘professional’ level reviews on the CZ though I did find this one:
Semiautomatic Shotguns for Self-Defense: We Like ‘Utility’
“With sound fundamental design, CZUSA’s $458 712 Utility outshoots Mossberg’s $700 feature-laden 930 Tactical in terms of handling, accuracy, and speed to target.”
http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/21_9/features/Self-Defense-Semiatomatic-Shotguns5747-1.html
I think Coach Guns are great and I’ve done quite a bit of reading up on them. They’re light, fast, and easily maneuverable. The Stoeger CG easily separates into three light weight carrying sections.
If you are going to get the popular Stoeger Coach Gun (20″ barrels), I’d suggest the SxS with dual triggers since some of their SxS single trigger models and their O/U Condor Outback (20″ barrels) have been known to have failures to fire with the second barrel not firing.
Another occasional problem is a soft-strike hit not setting off the ammo in the first or second barrel. A company makes steel pins for the Stoeger Coach Guns that are slightly longer if you have a problem with that issue. Lastly, a good cowboy action gunsmith at the CAS shows can smooth out the barrels and lighten up the springs if you choose.
I’m not trying to paint a picture of a problem gun. They usually work and the CAS folks work their Coach Guns very hard. Sometimes they do need a bit of post factory care and tweaking.
My mind didn’t go to Nazi Germany when I saw that picture; instead, I kind of expected to hear the Imperial March start playing. Call me a nerd.
WSJ said that a mag limit was likely in today’s paper. Reid said he would hold a vote on Feinstein’s bill. Stop saying these bills have little chance of passing. All that does it make us drop our guard and then they’ll bring it through.
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From reading the WaPo article, you are pretty well-heeled. I would invest some of that dough in a couple of special-ops guys protecting your person if you keep going down this road.
This does not fit the POTUS or the media’s narrative.
“””One gets the representatives one deserves, it’s said. That sounds about right, in the case of the Empire State, which is aptly named”””
WOW..
Im a New Yorker. A hard worker just like you. I collect firearms..Why do we “deserve” any unconstitutional” gun law??? To those that bash the people of this state and have never been here, you need to get your facts straight. NY is the leading grower of corn in th US. The city is a small fraction of the rest of the green state composed of mostly farms and ag land. I now have a pile of illegal guns and mags thanks to this A HOLE law. Why do I deserve this? What a non sense comment
Easy, bro. My kid lives in mid state NY. I’ve lived in 914 country as well as 3 of the 5 boroughs. People just don’t understand the state as a whole. The Adirondacks are beyond gorgeous but they could well turn into Afghanistan if the people get pushed too far. I live in Pa, while somewhat better, we are over ruled by Philadelphia. They get 110% turn out, all for you know who, and no inquiries. I know what how you feel. Unfortunately, people believe what they want to believe. Lies speak louder, and more emotionally, than facts. If measured by the frantic, panicky, got to get it done yesterday run to disarm everybody you’d think we were sending kids to school in Fallujah.
Mr. Carpenter, I was born and raised in NYC and I think it blows. The government blows. The cost of everything blows. The people mostly blow. The crowds blow. The attitude blows.
If you disagree, then I suggest that you don’t know New York.
Oh, and by the way, Ray Kelly was on the front page of the NY Post less than a week ago saying that “Assault Weapons are not the problem in NYC, handguns are…” So, fellow NY’ers, what do you think is coming next??
chris, you’re more likely to see a mounted cop carried on a pink unicorn that a licensed gun carried on the streets of NYC.
If the resource officer had seen Lanza, what would he have seen? Had the alarm been sounded about a killer on the loose? He would have seen a young man at his car that looked like he fit in at the high school.
The important part here is that if this is true, Lanza saw an armed officer and beat feet to find an easier target. And how do you avoid being the easier target? Guns in the holsters of the good guys. School staff, community volunteers and the police.
I don’t believe they asked many people from western NY or upstate. The law does not affect the lives of any of the ruling class as we pay for their guards, guns and ammo. If I were privileged enough to live in a cocoon of safety comparable to Cumo’s or Bloomberg’s (paid for by the people they are victimizing), I would not be worried about my safety or the safety of my family. If the abolition of self defense is good for the serfs, it’s good for the public officials.
PS Ive talked to many, the majority of us NY ers do NOT agree with the SAFE act of garbage. I speak for most when i say We are even more disappointed in the way it was brought forward and snuck through by the mole of a govenor.
So what are you going to do about it?
Every poll I take is 5 to 1 against gun control. Jesse Ventura asked the piers audience who was for him(& gun rights) & it was EVERYONE except 1 person. No way piers would have had a ringer audience against gun control. So now the pres is flapping his yap about concensus? /// Fight em on everything, give them nothing, do not be “reasonable”, there is no gold star for working with the POS in the Whitehouse, Randy
You’re just looking at the polls you want to look at; the ones that support your view.
I think we need to see more polls than that, and see them HERE.
Enough with the lullabies, man. We need the truth.
Handguns are already illegal in NYC so what are they going to do, make them more illegal? facts facts facts before comments…..
The politicians are going to make people’s hands illegal so they become even more dependent of government assistance.
In the next 4 years we will have two Americas, one whose citizens are armed and one where they aren’t.
Anyone living in the Northeast get out now. First they will disarm you, after that they won’t let you leave the state without paying some huge exit tax and then you are a stone’s throw to being relocated against your will.
I’ll be safely in West Virginia and out of the People’s Republic of Maryland then, thanks for the heads up!
Seriously though, that is what it’s going to come to.
If cops aren’t willing to run in when they hear shots fired in an elementary school, what’s the point of paying their salaries? Are they going to huddle in the parking lot, waiting for more “backup” before finding their courage (like a mob)? Contrast this with the principal and other staff who went running TOWARDS the gunfire armed with nothing but passion for their children. Imagine if one of those liberal ladies had actually had a gun…
Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Three minutes, to be exact.
If the first cop on scene was alone, then waiting for another officer is standard procedure for active shooter scenarios. Clearing a building, or hunting an active shooter, requires two people minimum to do it effectively.
And in the 50’s a majority would’ve agreed to the keep the “coloreds” out of their restaurants, bars and schools. Guess the majority’s opinion makes things just, just ask Rosa Parks and MLK Jr.
KelTec’s SUB-2000 and SU-16 (with a hitch pin) are interesting folders also if one is interested in this kind of thing. SU-16CA is even California-legal.
Hi, Good to see you here. I’m not sure your favorite foods are listed in the essential food groups,lol. What the hey though, Randy
****Im a New Yorker. A hard worker just like you. I collect firearms..Why do we “deserve” any unconstitutional” gun law??? To those that bash the people of this state and have never been here, you need to get your facts straight. NY is the leading grower of corn in th US.****
Not sure where you came up with NY being the leading producer of corn in the US. It’s barely in the top 15. Check out http://usda01.library.cornell.edu/usda/nass/CropProd//2010s/2012/CropProd-10-11-2012.pdf Page 6.
Well, NY grows a lot of corn because it produces a lot of fertilizer.
“No” is a reasonable answer to an unreasonable demand.
Gratz, Nick!
Hi Greg, good to see you here, Randy
Any connection with the fact that this was the first class of NYSP to graduate since 2009 and the state banning and criminalizing peoples weapons in New York?
You know when you think about it — it’s rather infuriating that a president (an American one) would go around the country manipulating people into allowing their rights to be outlawed!
I think the FORS acronym is backwards. It should be front same, rear opposite for example if rifle shoots to the left, the rear sight should be moved right or front sight to the left.
I think it is important to show the soccer mom & her kid that we are not the inhuman beasts that the grabbers say we are. Harley riders are not stigmatized as they once were, someone see’s one now & the first thing that comes to mind is a lawyer with too much money. Randy
Based on the map up on Wikipedia, Newtown high school is on the way to Sandy Hook elementary if you start from Lanza’s home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Sandy_Hook_shooting.png
Roasted brussel sprouts with 90% dark chocolate drizzled on it sprinkled with bacon bits and sea salt… I think it may work… Will let you know… May be too salty though…
I’m seeing that same vile response to Chris Kyle’s death over, and over again on various forums, “Live by the gun, die by the gun.”
If that were true, then why are the guys at my local shooting club occasionally dying of natural causes, and not gunfire?
It’s about time one of the bosses put the employees in their place.
What he said is over the line, but it doesn’t seem to be anti-gun so much as anti-war.
As for Dan’s comments, I think part of the reason the Iraq and Afghan occupations are so controversial is that it’s not clear the soldiers are actually protecting the Constitution, freedoms or their fellow citizens rather than the interests of a moneyed elite.
Yeah, I agree, I think he is more anti-war than anti-gun.
You can be anti-war and pro gun at the same time.
I believe we should get the frak out of every country but the United States and only put troops on any ground that is not American ground only when the people on that ground are in need of a massive ass kicking. Ass kicking only, no “kill insurgents and bring democracy” no “regime change” kick ass, leave, drink beer, eat apple pie, and watch baseball.
We need to stop being world police and we need to stop keeping Europe from slaughtering each other. Just make it known that if the next time Europe decides to commit genocide/kill each other/invade other countries etc, that if they attack us we will attack them.
I saw one of these things locally on Armslist set up nice and illegal like with the grip.
After about an hour the picture was replaced with one sans grip.
Makes me wonder how many people out there are committing felonies in ignorance.
It makes sense that in free society where no harm or damage is found no crime has occured. Sucks for those folks counting on reason and common sense to identify their felonious foolishness that America is not a free society.
So in the anti-gun animated metric, did anyone else notice that the Northwest region only had 2% of the total gun murders represented? I would love more data on this or to see this explored in greater depth.
Maybe we need to be looking at what the Northwest is doing, because last time I checked guns were still legal in that part of the country.