Tampa’s tbo.com offers a post-mortem analysis of the Florida legislature’s initial failure to “allow people without concealed weapon permits to carry guns during forced evacuations prompted by emergencies, such as hurricanes.” The piece provides insight into the NRA’s behind-the-scenes lobbying (a.k.a., arm-twisting) and Governor Rick Scott’s suspected role in torpedoing the bill. Second Amendment absolutists will shake their heads and assert that no one should have to have a permit to carry a gun at any time ever. Which raises an important question: why would you want to limit Americans’ carry rights during an emergency? Here’s the “argument” that [allegedly] held the bill up . . .
Terrence Gorman, general counsel for the Department of Military Affairs, testified March 19 that it was a bad idea to allow untrained people to have weapons during such stressful times.
“Untrained.” There it is again. Still. The idea that average American gun owners aren’t competent enough to carry a gun. They need to be trained to be safe – especially under “stress.” But they aren’t trained. Not really. Not like the pros. And God knows what these armed amateurs might do if the rule of law broke down during an emergency (e.g., a forced evacuation during a hurricane). Why they might, I dunno, defend themselves!
No, that’s not it. Obviously. Who could argue against law-abiding citizens protecting themselves and their loved ones against lawless predators emboldened by the absence of professional law enforcement during an emergency? Maybe the antis reckon that exigent circumstances would turn these armed Americans against unarmed Americans. You know; to get food or shelter for their family or something.
I think we’re onto something here . . .
Proponents of civilian disarmament are deeply cynical human beings. They believe that people are fundamentally irrational, uncontrollable animals. (See: psychological projection.) The civility we show towards our fellow man? It’s purely situational. If people are pushed too hard, too far and/or too fast, any of us can become amoral killers. It’s up to the authorities to maintain order and discipline, to stop that from happening. To do that, it’s way better if the sheep people are disarmed.
Truth be told, that’s the gun control advocates’ secret fear: armed civilians “interfering” with government forces during a crisis. If armed government reps order a large group of unarmed people to shelter in a crowded, disease- and criminal-infested football stadium, for example, what choice do they have? None. They are powerless. Which is exactly how Terrence Gorman, general counsel for the Department of Military Affairs wants it. For the general public’s own good.
This “extreme” example illustrates the gun control advocates’ everyday reality. They consider armed Americans obstinate SOBs; citizens who resist the state’s efforts to do what’s best for them, clinging to a misguided belief in individual liberty and choice, even when it’s “obvious” that society needs them to shut up and do what they’re told. In the gun control advocate’s mind, the fight over guns is a battle between “selfish” gun owners and “selfless” progressives (i.e. statists). As the Florida emergency carry bill (or lack thereof) proves, they’re right.
APRIL FOOLS, you fools.
Saw the link on Facebook to this article and was like really!!!!!, clicked to open it in a new tap thinking no way this is awesome. Then I realized in the little description on facebook it read April 1, 2014. I went FU and did not even bother opening the tab and immediately closed it. Eventually I got curious on how it was going to be sold (weather it was going to sold as a plausible story or one of those absolutely ridiculous ones) so I came back to read the article.
Gun broker uses this information to stop fraud. Just like scammers on ebay, people from Russia, Niggeria, China would put up fake auctions hoping some sucker would buy the item.. send lots money across to them and the buyer is left broke. If gunbroker ( or other websites ) can weed out these scammers, it makes their market place a trusted environment. If you buy or sell online, you want to make sure you are dealing with a real trusted person on the other end. In this digital age, you are foolish to think that there is no information on you out in the world. You want to fall off the grid… then you really should not be on any online auction site or blog… it is just how it is… If you do not want to give this information up, you do not have to… you do not get to use their site.
On the other hand…gun broker does not do a good job of stating what they do with this data they collect once they collect it. Maybe this article will spear a response.
Sad. The anti’s attempted a version of this in NC, whereby ALL CCW permits were to be nullified in a state of emergency. Lawful carry would only be allowed on private property. Thankfully it was “shot down”.
Florida, on the other hand, is supposed to be a “pro-gun” state, but had to get a uniformity law passed as liberal mayors and police chiefs used to be able to modify state laws. Now state law is the same across even “red” parts of the state.
However, FL does have millions of CCW permit holders. My “looters will be shot” sign still resides in the garage. Another feel good law almost impossible to enforce.
Once again the superiority of the State of Virginia is shown. Open carry is Constitutional in the Old Dominion with no ifs, ands or buts. I believe that in last legislative session they banned firearms confiscation in emergencies by statute.
Looks like none of you saw the movie Wizards – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZqRzHnI8s
Avatar shows us how it’s done. Die Blackwolf Die.
Mr. Farago’s article describes but one mindset among gun grabbers — there are additional motivations as well.
I don’t try to analyze a gun grabber’s mindset all that much anymore. Now I just accuse gun grabbers of being despicable people who advocate for all of us to be raped, beaten, robbed, and murdered. That shakes them up pretty bad as it should. And then I demand that they provide solutions to actual problems in the real world. I don’t get into arguments about statistics, the source of rights, training, or anything else.
I encourage everyone to try the approach that I just mentioned. You might be surprised at the results.
Omg dat ‘stache.
When I first saw this I began having chest pains and a feeling of impending doom. Then I remembered it is APRIL FOOLS DAY HA HA HA HA ! That was a good one NICK you almost had me!
Well this shows what I have been starting to think about if the military are really there to protect our rights:
http://jonoporter.blogspot.com/2014/03/is-military-truly-defending-our-freedom.html
The bill hasn’t failed yet. It was, for a time, stalled. It is up for a committee vote today at 3 p.m., which will give us some indication as to whether Hammer un-stalled it.
My .o2
You recognize you have hit a wall so you may have more fun doing Vietnam Light
“Vietnam Light” should allow snubby revolvers…
I would grab neither.
If you want a less lethal approach that actually works, use a large can of really expensive bear spray. That will mess up the Fido’s nose — its most sensitive organ — and do far more to stop Fido than a some pepper product on Fido’s eyes. Plus, it will be nearly impossible to get pepper gel precisely on Fido’s eyes. The large can of bear spray makes a large cloud that blasts out 15+ feet long before Fido can actually attack you. That large cloud virtually guarantees that you will get Fido and turn him/her back.
The only drawback: that large can of expensive bear spray is bordering on useless when wind speeds exceed 10 mph.
I traded my surplus m16 (nota1) for a carbine about 2 years ago for my patrol rifle…. that sucker would shoot…
Just watched the committee vote live on line. it actually just passed along party line 5 to 4.
Text amended.
Try watching the movie, “A Boy and His Dog”
…priorities….
Like others have said, once you make it custom, it’s custom to you, and you only. If I’m interested in a custom rifle I’ll customize it myself, not buy someone else’s custom handiwork that’s now used. This transcends many things… cars, bicycles, guitars, etc… it’s like artwork now. You have to find someone that wants exactly that but can’t do it themselves, making this even tougher, because assembling an AR out of parts isn’t exactly the hardest thing to do. You’re target audience dwindles to only exact minded people who look at it and think ‘that’s exactly how I wanted to do it but don’t know how to, and don’t want to spend the time do it, this is perfect!’. Which exponentially decreases the likelihood of a quick sale. The thing that sucks is everyone knows it’s a really nice rifle, but it’s custom to someone else’s desires, so the cost isn’t justified.
With anything custom, best bet is to part it out. Takes longer but you’d probably make more.
This is why I only customize things I own if I know that I will never sell it (hard to predict). I’ll never customize anything that was expensive to begin with (learned my lesson already), because you’re stuck with whatever it is, or will take a huge hit on it if/when you need to sell it.
Leave Herr Schruffles and the guns at home and get yourself a BIG Doberman
The S&W, definitely. Big, loud, so it could scare the dog. You can reload quicker, use it as a club after the shot, and it shows that you are NOT messing about.
OK, gonna put on my asbestos suit and say–YAYYY!! I came within a hair of posting something like this on the 1911 thread, after all the postings about “1911’s are easy to use for SD–just train, train, train, and train some more. And if you don’t, you don’t have any business carrying a gun for SD”. I just wonder, how many of our “DGU of the day” postings here involve someone who goes to the range weekly, dry-fire practices daily, takes a Tactical Response course yearly, that kind of thing. I have fired my guns plenty, enough that I am familiar with them, and I handle my carry gun daily (obviously) but like most ordinary folks, I don’t do any of the above -mentioned with any regularity now. And I think it borders on smugness to tell any of a number of Joe Citizens ( or Mrs. Joe, or daughter Susie Joe), who have bought a DA revolver and know how to load, point and pull the trigger and have enough respect for it to not point it at things they don’t want to see shot, that they should really not have it and to leave this self-defense stuff to people who train, train, and train some more.
The key problem word here is “required”. Which training should not be.
That said I do very much enjoy facilitated training, self training and just general practice. Lets face it. If you like to shoot going out to shoot some more is probably going to be an enjoyable time. More VOLUNTARY training for everybody!!!
I have to admit, I’m still on the side that prefers individuals get a simple fire arm safety course before purchasing a firearm.
I had some financial troubles so I wasn’t able to purchase my first handgun, but I decided ot take a hunter’s safety course before I purchase a firearm. By the way the hunter’s safety course teaches the same as the normal firearm course at the local gunstore but is only 25 bucks… my local stores charge 75 for the same 3 hr class lol.
The flip side is that I had to learn…which I already forgot, crapload of regulations and useless stuff regarding hunting which doesn’t apply to me, but w/e.
Point is I am the type to believe: You should get any type of firearm safety class before purchasing a weapon. Are things common sense yes, but many things we believe common sense is really knowledge imprinted on us by those with more wisdom over a long period of time, and eventually we see things clearly as they did. So common sense isn’t something that magically gets passed down in the blood, it has to be taught.
we had an incident kind of near my house in a heavier residential area (sub division) where a short coated, medium sized dog with a big head escaped from his home while the kids were getting ready for elementary school (really, Mom was in the kitchen packing lunches, kids were having breakfast, etc) I guess he ran out the front screen door when Dad left and didn’t shut it all the way.
The dog ran right for a guy walking his good sized dog on the sidewalk, apparently mr loose dog was super friendly and was wagging and wiggling his way to this guy’s dog. meanwhile behind him the family had realized the dog was out and were on their way into the street.
That was when the guy walking his dog whipped out a 5″ blade knife and stabbed mr loose dog! right in front of the kids and Mom.
Considering how that played out for everyone involved, I’d recommend the pepper spray.
The attachment is the important part. In short: stop batch uploading!
The only things that the Feds do well are waste trillions of dollars and kill large numbers of people. And then, they fvck up the paperwork
It would be amusing if it were not so frustrating to listen to many gun rights advocates breathlessly extol the 2nd Amendment and immediately try to place a burden on new gun owners and will sneer down their nose at anyone who does not hold to their standards.
For people who make this their primary hobby and/or passion you may have lost the perspective that shooting is expensive.
I wrote a post that was published here at TTAG awhile back about “The True Cost of Gun Ownership” and if I recall correctly just purchasing the bare minimum and using the Glock 19 as an example it was over $700. That is a hell of an entry point. Then many gun owners want that same person to invest in a gun safe ($300 to $500 depending on model) and training ($75 to $200 depending on class and area). That doesn’t even count potential taxes, licenses, and other burdens that may be specific to area.
In short, people who claim to be for gun ownership also want their to be a cost of entry that is well past $1000 just to get started.
That sounds very country clubbish, and also totally at odds with how gun culture used to be.
YM has rapidly become one of my favorite channels. He delivers equal doses of food-for-thought, and poking fun and stupid jokes. Because of this, he’s the first gun channel I introduce people to. Well, him and Tim at MAC, since his videos are so shiny and polished. And have pretty guns.
Way I see it, you’ve really got to work your way into the Youtube gun world, not just go 0-to-Nutnfancy. People skip ahead, forget the IV8888 or MattV steps, or accidently start with Carni-Kon, you’re never gonna shoot like Hickok 45, or vector tangoes like Dynamic Pie.
Bigger than WACO.
If it starts why would you think we will wait for our turn to die?
Molon labe
Holy shit snacks.
I’ve never seen Paul so upset lol.
Apparently RF just rustled Paul’s jimmies.
When the confiscations come, there wont be any subtlety about it. It’s simply not a word in most LEO’s dictionary.
They will look out the window at their MRAP and in the armory at the Tac Gear and AR’s and think “well we bought ’em we sure as hell should use ’em” It will be aggressive, over the top and obvious.
Even if it is a takedown at a grocery store, guaranteed it wont be a tap on the shoulder from officer friendly saying, “we need to talk.” It will be SWAT with guns drawn and the comical command voice saying “on the ground!” and a boot on the neck.
I’m actually an IT professional and can actually tell you from the software that our programmers write and software developed by other companies, this is just the govt failing yet again. It isn’t difficult to write a program (or in this case a web page/eForm) that can handle multiple submissions at the same time. Once again, the government fails to do something right…part of the reason I carry…God only knows what they will screw up next.
Yep. IT pro, 25+ years. I hear you.
If I’m not mistaken, the “got to get training” mentality was advocated by Mr. Farago himself a few years ago. I may be wrong, but that’s how I remember it.
The value of firearms is that they require little training to use effectively and require little strength or skill. Skill is valuable for accuracy and for efficiency, but not for basic use. A ninety pound, ninety year old granny can protect herself with a gun and almost nothing else.
This law won’t be enforced for years. And then, only after all the rebel fires have simmered down, the law will be enforced. I predict it will be enforced mostly during traffic stops. Cops will see “FELON ASSAULT RIFLE!!!!!” on their nifty computer. “I’m going to need to search your car, mmmkayy?”
According to some of my anti-gun acquaintances, anyone who owns a gun is not of good moral character.
Gee, I read and reread the Second Amendment after reading this one and, for the life of me, cannot find ANYWHERE, in that Amendment where the words “of good moral character” appear. These knuckleheads need to read and understand what “shall not be infringed” means. For the statists out there, “shall not be infringed” DOES appear in the Second.
Anytime we apply subjective evaluation to the Constitution we have what the liberals love to insist on, a “living, breathing Constitution”. Not the rule of law which requires consistency but the rule of men which is subject to the vagaries of the moment, a democracy if you will and not a republic. The subjective evaluation of “good moral character” does not survive Constitutional, or common sense, scrutiny.
This “law” is b.s. It does not rise to the level of as law to be respected or adhered to.
Scumbag Leland Yee arrested for conspiracy to smuggle guns into the country. Scumbag of the year award!!!
I’ve given my support by both Twitter and Facebook. The Second Amendment exists for when the First fails. Hopefully a loud voice will be heard and met with trembling…
Being a younger guy I think it’s interesting the ruby ridge incident is not taught in American history classes. In fact I wager that if you asked the average American high school student about it they wouldn have a clue.
In my opinion I don’t believe a repeatable incident will occur in CT quite yet, I think there would need to be a very large incident for for the confiscation order to be given
I think with my obvious charm and good looks I’d say if be able to get back on my neighbors good side if I shot her dog. That said if rather I with a Taser. BTW my neighbors dog is very nice and plays with my dog regularly. No if only I could cash in on that pizza he owes me…
I hope this is a April fools joke or the Yankee Marshall is…. than I thought…naw it has to be a joke.
I don’t think you need expensive training but I’ve seen way too many people show up for classes who did not know how to even load their guns without pointing it at themselves, and had no idea how it worked. There might have been a time when every adult male had experience with firearms mostly passed down from family members. I hardly go to public ranges these days because of all the natural ability morons who are risking every living things life within range of their guns while displaying their “natural abilities”.
Excuse me while I go cook up some Fugu for the family, never done it before but I know my built in common sense will make sure I do it right.
I think you may have to explain what Fugu is for the “I don’t need none of that-there training” crowd.
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“This is why all gun registries are bad — the government SUCKS. Above all, the Founders believed that too much power in the central government was a bad thing.
Fixed it for you!!
While I’ll agree with Andrew that force isn’t the best solution, what he clearly fails (or conveniently refuses) to realize is that 1.) in some circumstances force literally is the only expedient resolution to a conflict (whether he thinks so or not is irrelevant because these situations do in fact exist and are completely outside of our control) and 2.) we, the Armed Intelligentsia, also know that force isn’t the only solution and that we too employ deescalation techniques whenever possible.
Amen.
While we’re stacking improbables, how about that meteor that’s about to kill me? I could shoot at it and if I’m lucky deflect it *just* enough … but if I miss, my bullet might take out someone else … or I might deflect the meteor into my neighbor’s house … or … or …
It’s amazing how easy it is to come up with what you think (hope?) are no-win scenarios for yourself.
And amazing how improbable they are.
Really? I can think of very few things more American.
Now THIS is a gun review. Really fine work. Thank you.
Politicians in government and organized crime … is there any difference?
The only difference I see is that a description of some allowable conduct for politicians is widely open to public review.
Now everyone pay attention. This is going to be used as the exact reason the NSA domestic spying is not only needed but needs to be expanded.