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Maryland just did the biggest natural experiment in history, letting tens of thousands of guns go to people without a background check. Willingness to walk in and fill out some paperwork and wait 7-14 days. Do you think anyone had the balls to do it? out of 120k guns sold? probably. All those scary black rifles and handguns into the hands of god knows who (and the MSP will not know for another 100 days).
Guess what, nothing happened. No-thing.
The worst thing you can possibly do is show the govt how irrelevant it is.
While I’m an advocate of ending gun free school zones, actually issuing a rifle to each student may be taking a good concept a bit too far.
Typo at sign factory creates “Free Gun Zone” at local school…
“We should have told them to give us air rifles. At least you can still get cheap ammo for them!”
“I think a skylight here would go nice.”
“The rear gets great light, so it should have another window.”
“Don’t most city apartments have a peep-hole in the front door? I thought it was a regulation. It oughta be a regulation; I’m calling my rep as soon as I take care of this.”
Gun p0rn takes on a whole new meaning.
“These ladies love the new Ruger ‘Rape Whistle’ line of rifles.”
KPT (Kitchen Protection Team)
What happens when the SHTF at The Mall of The Americas?
Not sure. At least West Edmonton Mall (previously the largest in North America, prior to the opening of the Mall of the Americas) has an indoor gun range with guns you can rent. Unless the BGs get there first, I know where to to tool up.
http://www.shootingcentre.com/
It’s pretty cool – and it’s where I introduced my lovely wife to shooting, much to the horror of her sister.
Much as you saw here – take notes and consider training for what-ifs.
I defer to LEO’s and anyone with current brief-in at fusion centers, but from attending a seminar by Col. Dave Grossman,(“Bullet-proof Mind”) who DOES train and consult for them,
the mall attack or Beslan school scenario is what concerns many the most, for future events, and how to train for them is the biggest challenge. Not surprising to me at all the Kenyans were slow and ineffective using army troops in a relatively affluent 3rd world nation. Just look how long its taken for effective response to aircraft hijackings and hostage releases/assaults on the ground to evolve from lessons learned over the last 30 years, from Entebbe, etc..
Since no SWAT team can be everywhere at once, and we have seen from the relatively disorganized, multi-entity response at the WH, and in Boston, we can expect it to be chaotic, and slow, compared to what you need if you are there inside, despite the very best efforts to prep and respond.
So its only logical that it really comes down to doing what you can, for yourself and loved ones, until the first responders get there. You can be a sheep, or a sheepdog, when the wolves come. Or hope they wont, and take your chances that you dont end up as the statistic.
Our kids and grandkids will look back on the War on Islamic Terror, much as we did the Cold War- except it will be longer, and more difficult, and much of it on our own soil. Thats the nature of terrorism- and I expect some of these are practice runs, for exactly that, just as the embassy bombings in Africa, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, etc series were working up to 9/11.
Ben Roberts and Ivan Goff prior to creating their famed 70’s TV show “Charlies Angles were going through a box of old photos from a garage sale and they related that “we could not get this one out of our heads”
Mr legget, I didn’t see yours before I wrote this, you get half credit
Question.. After seeing this one the news numerous times I came to the opinion.
This guy (perp) is wearing Army ACU’s and desert tan boots. Any one see that too? Stuffed Cargo pocket on the leg n all..
So I’m wondering is this dude AD/Reserve/NG or just a wana be?
A.D. Drill Seargent!
Definitely my Mossberg 930 SPX. As a military veteran trained in close combat quarters, for home defense, especially with family members near by, my choice is the shotgun. This is a generalization, but in most circumstances it would be my first choice. My home defense setup is my 930 SPX under the bed and my Springfield XDMC .45 on the bed stand as a backup.
BTW, I’m drooling after the civilian Benelli M4. If I could afford it, that would be my primary home defense firearm.
I’ll cover the ceiling while the two of you execute the students in front and behind you.
Anyone else notice the asian in the back is pointing it right at someone’s face?
I recognized that place and the rifles right away as the Westside Pistol Range, featured at least a few times on TTAG, most recently as the site of Dan Boyle’s controversial Appleseed class.
Like everyone else, I’m going to use exactly what I thought was a perfect solution when I was at the gun store. LEOs want us to use handguns because the things are less lethal at more than a few yards (it’s an aiming problem), which keeps the county crime stats looking better. Around town, fine. But if a person’s fool enough or nuts enough to come into an occupied dwelling showing immediate intent to kill or main, I’d like to stop the guy(s) effectively.
Of COURSE we shoot like girls…come and try us on for size.
#1 survival tip, avoid gun free zones like the plague. I don’t have a CCW because of the potential for what happened in Missouri, but I like that there are people mpore trusting of the gov then me in places where I shop.
Go to the Mall to get mauled is a slogan to remember, and not just in Chicago.
When the graboids attacked again, the shooters in THIS recroom weren’t quite as prepared…
If I actually have to be funny, I have no chance of winning. If you just end up picking a comment at random out of sheer laziness, then I have a fighting chance.
We need to erase everything with Lautenberg’s name on it. His legacy must be that he doesn’t leave one…
I like that idea. Lautenbooger was a tool.
With the reports of how much planning went into this Kenya attack, I would bet that if/when Islamic terrorists try to hit a mall in the US of A, they will pick a mall, or malls, in gun free states. Sure they could first try and hit the Big 5, or whatever other sporting good stores that sell guns in malls, but why would they even pick a mall with that kind of wild card?
Ms. Reid’s Female Empowerment group took an interesting turn with the recent gifts from Ruger
This is what happens after you make the “barefoot and in the kitchen” comment at feminist conventions.
This is why the Coburn amendment is soooo much better than M-T. Private sales stay private and no mandatory records. It would open up the NICS to private sales by allowing buyers to background check themselves and sellers to verify it. In my book it is the best thing that has been proposed. Of course, the best thing would be no NICS checks at all, since really if a person is too dangerous to have a gun they are too dangerous to walk the streets free.
It seems that the sanest thing that The Nine could do is redefine “harmful or offensive unwanted physical contact” to one that has the intent (or in most reasonable cases, being capable) of causing pain or injury – be it bruising or more severe tissue injury.
Anyone?
Having mastered the four rules, Eddie Eaglettes Moira (“Lefty”) Leftkowich, overachiever Amanda (“Shoot for the Stars”) Chin, and Anne (“Annie Oakley”) Deng learn the fundamentals of sight alignment.
New to TTAG gun reviews…
The “Overall Rating” score will be replaced with, “if I bring this gun home to the wife/girlfriend, what will she think of it?”
So, I hear FateofDestiny is teaching a new feminism class…
Bump. Not enough boobage or Israeli supermodelness for RF’s taste.
“Still illegal in California.”
Fingers off the triggers? Check!
Know what’s behind your target? Check!
Not pointing the weapon at anything you’re not willing to destroy? Check!
Cute girls with guns? Check! Check! Check!
They banned me from their facebook page when I commented on a photo they posted. My comment was “How does a sign stop someone from carrying a gun into a store? Anyone? Anyone?”
Mine never quite worked right. I would get a light primer strike every 40-50 rounds regularly. Early on there were several FTEs, but after break-in and generous oiling that seemed to pass. I also ran into issues with the slide locking into battery, and yes the ejection port gets a beating, but that I don’t mind. I couldn’t recommend it to anyone based on my experience, but I don’t plan to sell when it comes back.
Before the XDs I owned an XD .40 and that gun is a beast. Never one issue and I tortured it. Several thousand rounds through and it just keeps going. I love that XD. The XDs at least in .45 was ambitious and I think the manufacturing produced a lot of issues since some folks have had great experiences and many others have been miserable with theirs.
“Principle Edward’s first attempt to treat guns like cars was going swimmingly until the hands-on portion of the ‘gunner-education’ class…”
Gun free zone law should apply to everyone. That’s how laws are supposed to work. Is it ridiculous? Of course it is, but so is not allowing American citizens the right to carry on school grounds while picking up their children.
I’m not happy about SCOTUS taking this case, since the man convicted of the DV misdemeanor in question beat the Federal gun rap in the District Court and the Circuit Court. My concern is that SCOTUS will reverse. Why else would Kagan have granted certiorari?
The first iteration of the “Charlie’s Angels Pose” left something to be desired.
I keep trying and trying and I’m not getting the right sight picture…
“Ladies, somewhere in this room I’ve hidden a duck wearing the latest pair of designer shoes”
As my friend tells me, “Evil finds a way”. The only reason why Good prevails over Evil is because we are numerically superior and eternally vigilant. For every one person who would do evil with a gun, there are 100 good people who would take a bullet and plug evil person with their own — I’m proud to belong to TTAG.
Well, if there is no such thing as a ‘house’ chuck, then cock roaches will have to do!
Now, did anyone see where that spider went?
The girl on the left may be a lefty, but she has good trigger discipline and stance.
Ms. Middle can be seen pointing her rifle to the ceiling, and Ms. Right can be seen leaning away from her rifle and not achieving any sort of cheek weld whatsoever.
Given the data here, you’d be a fool to not pick the girl on the left. Unless Asians are your thing.
SPIDERS! I HATE SPIDERS! DIE SPIDERS!
People don’t like the DE because they simply can’t handle holding the gun when it fires. 9 times out of 10 its the users fault whether they want to admit it or not. But I’ve had kn for 3 years and yes at first it jammed every other round. Until I learned how to properly compensate for a .50 inside a pistol. I haven’t had a jam for about 2 years now.
Tryouts for the next reality tv show- “Who Wants to Be Roberts 4th Wife?”
Another problem with background checks is that many, if not most, of the people who should be on the prohibited list are not. Although they misbehave in ways that should result in criminal conviction or commitment to a psychiatric hospital, they are never prosecuted or committed or the information is not entered into the NICS database.
While I was reading these posts I got a pop-up ad from “our sponsor”—Starbucks. Weird experience.
“Does this gun make my wrists look big?”
I once did a presentation at a private kindergarten. The teacher asked if I could leave the gun in the car. I called my on-duty supervisor, who advised me that the firearm and other accoutrements were part of the uniform. If I removed my weapon, I would be considered out of uniform, and therefore out of policy. The gun stayed and the class went just fine. We’re literally required to carry a gun while in uniform or when driving a patrol car. That’s fine with me.
My first CCW instructor was the range master for one of the local PD’s in the greater Phoenix area and he once said that if the gun wasn’t part of the uniform, there were a select few on the department that wouldn’t wear it… ever. He followed up with a few choice words about “those types” of police officers.
I read something a while back about gun tourism in Guam. They interviewed some Japanese people that had just rented and fired a .44mag. and were grinning ear to ear, but then mentioned that they weren’t sure if anyone should be trusted with that kind of power. I guess old brainwashing dies hard.
I use the 10mm 135 gr Nosler in the G20. 15rnds at 775 ft lbs. Look at mug shots, size and youth. That guy had some size to him. I use the 180 xtp cooler season at 1300, 676 ft lbs. 10mm you have many load options. Everyone thinks over penetration. Well that’s not the case. The 10 has been making a nice comeback. A nice 22lb spring and steel guide rod. The perp has his arm tucked behind, gun is out at that point.
if any of my friends had gaming PC’s i’d be on this.
Add me to the list of people who don’t see an issue with the trigger on this piece, but my other carry gun is a Sig P290RS, and that trigger gets a lot of negative press as well. My SD9VE has shot everything I’ve put in it, and that was quite an assortment. I’ve experienced no issues with the 16th round, but maybe using an Uplula is considered cheating. Magazine loads fine and cartridge chambers fine on my piece. Maybe someday I’ll have the extra 2 bills to get a Glock or whatever else non-SD9VE owners are touting, but for the nonce this gun is serving me well.
And I see the point about the AR being easier to aim, shoot, and be back on target, recoil-wise.
Thats an even more attractive platform from the perspective of KISS, for an all-in-one solution to start off, if you also need something for longer range, and would like to be able to hunt game.
Like OMG! That spider is SO gross! Let’s kill it before it gets in our perfect hair.
So the rest of the world is happy with the 9mm.
one if by land, two if by sea, three if by air conditioning
A generation? Try never. These rules do nothing about real crime.
I did my share. i bought more this year than i have bought in my whole life . Maryland land of the oppressed
More important question: when are the courts going to strike down the provision of restraining order laws that forbid ownership/possession of firearms? An angry ex simply claims that the other partner threatened them and, poof!!! no more firearms. No trial, no evidence, no testimony from multiple witnesses … just a single uncorroborated accusation. In one fell swoop, the government pi$$es on our Fourth Amendment right to due process and our Second Amendment right to bear arms.
I had a friendly debate with a family member who insisted that we have to keep those provisions because we cannot take any chances. Being a retired superintendent of a school district, his response should not have surprised me.
The new home economics class!
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what hawaii’s gun laws and gun culture are like? It’s the one state I seem to never get any news about.
About as bad as California
There is no damn controversy.
We and the media have all the time in the world to analyze these events. The Capital Police and USSS had .2 seconds. Given the fact that someone just shot up the Navy Yard and that black luxury cars are great vehicles for transporting explosives or something worse, those LEOs did the right thing by punching her ticket.
Had they found a dead Arab guy behind the wheel and 500lbs of Semtex wired to a detonator, there’d be medals and commendations aplenty. Instead , the media uses those cops as punching bags for doing their jobs. Normal people do not accidentally drive through security gates or sideswipe US Secret Service agents.
Those officers deserve better.
There is a Facebook page for frustrated XDs owners.
https://www.facebook.com/springfieldarmoryfail
They can clear my room anytime.
Tough call for the liberal media; Slam the trigger happy police for killing an unarmed black woman with a child in the car or celebrate the heroism of the brave men and women who protected their boss? What to do?
Their post makes me dislike them. Either something is worth telling the police about, or it’s not. Either it’s a crime, or it’s not. Don’t expect people to forgive\trust you just because you say the cops were standing there. Alternatively, don’t apologize at all if you don’t feel you did anything wrong.
“The guys at BotW LOVE so-called “180 traps” like this, where you’re tempted to do something unsafe that would get you tossed. ”
What the hell?
Why the everloving fuck would anyone want to tempt people to do something unsafe?
“…Mesa parents to exercise their right to open carry at the school gates, mindful of the fact that Arizona does not enforce Bush the Elder’s unconscionable Gun Free School Zones Act (1000 foot exclusionary zone around public schools).”
The local and state police might not enforce it, but any federal law enforcement can and probably would enforce it (i.e. ATF). Like it or not, that is the law of the land. Your representatives in government enacted it.
If you are willing to do the time and willing to forfeit your rights to *ever* legally possess a firearm, then so be it. It could be your Adam Kokesh moment.
I’ve actually bought firearms from these guys. Its in my hometown. I took my CCW class there. I thought they were nice guys, but I think this was more brought on by racial stereotypes than by anything else. I won’t be going back there for any major purchases. Best go to 4 seasons gun store.
Krinkov AK74 = best bday present EVER!
I use to carry a .40, I recently bought the Ruger 380 LCP. What an amazing firearm! It goes if I goes. I’m loaded with COR BON jacketed hollow points, 90gr. 1050fps with 220ft/lbs. I’m very confident in this firearm. Very accurate! Yes I trust it with my life.
SW Iowa still sucks, we struggle to keep a small decently priced supply to sell. Someday……….
1. Teaching the most important life skills
2. A school worth learning from
3. How to make students pay attention
4. Class is never boring
5. This is a school that is doing things right, teaching how to aim high
6. The right way to teach women how to say no
7. The way fathers would like high schools to teach their daughters
8. No way is any boy taking advantage of me
Strangely enough I have a pic Rail mount for my capital one card on my AR.
“Meat head…dead from the neck up.”
You can feel the moral superiority, and the self-righteous indignation of the younger generation, about anything from their parents generation, ironically enough, from people that actually had to go and fight on foreign shores to stop a global tyranny. Isn’t it amazing how the younger generation believes it knows more that the generation that spawned them? In this case, Archie can’t help himself, life has shown him how bad things can get. The privileged 60’s generation grew up with only a cold war. When Vietnam started, they all went WTF? I don’t want to die in S.E. Asia. This war is interrupting our groovy young lives of smoking pot, listening to Dylan and the Stone’s, and feeling self-important and superior to….well, anyone over 30. Mike on the other hand, has his tortuous assumptions of what “militia” means, and who is in one. So, war is bad, guns are used in war, ergo, all guns are bad. The problem is, everyone over 30 knew otherwise. The spoiled 60’s generation got royally flim-flammed by socialist propaganda. That makes them, for the most part, the most gullible, pseudo-intellectual generation to come down the pike.
Socialism is just the scientifically explained, justification for collectivist tyranny. This is what Archie, and anyone over 30, already knew. My dad(one of those over 30 types, and Korean vet) loved watching, but hated Norman Lear’s oddly bigoted message, that If you’re not a liberal, you’re an Archie Bunker bigot.
Go figure?