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Robert Farago

Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns.

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  1. Surprise, surprise, there is a memo that states all of this crap won’t work and yet our President ignores this and still pushes for it. Maybe, he wants to further cripple the economy or something. Also, we should mention the whole willfully violating the Constitution for no reason issue.

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  2. This is too funny not to have more. I want weekly tactical tips from Crazy Joe. He needs his own youtube channel.

    The hilarity is only tempered by the fact that this fargin’ icehole is Vice President of the United States of America.

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  3. Joe now encourages people to commit felonies? Depending on your state’s laws, firing warning shots could land you in fail faster than killing someone in self-defense.

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  4. Uh, pretty much everything he said was either patently false, illegal, or a combination of both. Uncle Joe was batting 1000 on this one.

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  5. This is info that needs to get out beyond the true believers and seep into the awareness of the general group that have no clue and possibly educate a few to the informed side.

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  6. Occam’s Razor is a principle used in Internet discussions to argue that the simplest or easiest thing to believe is probably true. By definition, it says that the working hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is likely to be true. Any well planned crime can be wrongly explained with reference to Occam’s Razor. The criminals involved, of course, must count on it. I don’t know very much about this crime, but there are many people who could benefit from such a killing, as inappropriate as that may sound to say. When we say that a man “went nuts”, that includes many assumptions too, assumptions about the inner workings of the brain. Almost everyone says that mass killing is wrong, yet plenty of people apparently think it’s ok. It troubles me to consider that there was conspiracy by gun grabbers, pharmaceutical companies, or whoever is being blamed, but it also troubles me that an individual would do such a thing. Because I don’t understand the motive in any of the scenarios, including the lone nut, I think they all include many assumptions, so I have yet to rule anything out. When investigating such a serious crime, no potentially suspect party should be ruled out because of the complexity of its potential involvement in the crime. That said, I really don’t have an opinion yet on all that happened that day.

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  7. Oh Holy Hell – I didn’t expect this! Some responses:

    Sorry, Dan. You didn’t deserve all the hate. Maybe next time put my name in big 28 pt font flashing neon green.

    A lot of people object to the label of dysfunctional behavior. And certainly, many of you made rational logic based decisions. But go read some of the more angry posts and see if there isn’t some hint of non-normal behavior going on. My personal favorites are posts where the author basically states that he’s never bought anything from CTD before and he plans on boycotting them in the future. Think about it.

    Many of you provide reasonable logic for not doing business with CTD. I found myself agreeing with many of the points made. My personal opinion is that some mid-level flunkie made a bad call in a panic situation (our servers are crashing with orders) and it was the wrong decision. Someone else compounded it with a cover-up. This was never an anti-2A move, just stupidity.

    Besides, one business selling or not selling guns and accessories does not impact my 2A rights. Bottom line, how’d you like to be a mid-manager who makes the wrong call and gets your boss a little visit from the ATF. We know how reasonable they are, don’t we? I’m willing to cut a little slack there. I cut no slack for the politicians who got us into this mess, however.

    For those with a lack of reading comprehension skills, I never defended price gouging or other assorted business practices. I’m referring solely to the “temporary suspension” issue. I’ve made maybe two purchases from CTD in the past 5 years, but I do enjoy reading their catalog.

    Some people were wondering who the hell I am. I neither work for nor get paid by CTD. I’ve been a supporter of gun rights since the Reagan administration. I’ve posted articles here in the past, but I’ve never been a regular contributor (too much personal stuff going on). My favorite pistol is my Ruger Blackhawk in .357, my favorite rifle is an old Savage pump action 22 RF. I own a modern sporting rifle. I enjoy my old Savage more.

    For those who complained about how terrible the article was, you read and posted a comment. You could have skipped it. Maybe you’re more interested in the subject than you let on. Just saying.

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  8. Ya know, I debated about writing some deep insightful analysis of the VP remarks. I then thought it would be a waste of my time. He isn ‘t worth it. He’s that loud mouth drunk at the end of the bar. How embarrassing this is who represents the American people to the rest of the world.

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  9. yeah, but the victims of gun violence deserve a vote. a vote on something that would not have prevented it in the first place, but they still deserve a vote. makes sense.

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    • Deserve a vote? They get to vote: They can vote for better state funding of mental health services, and for compulsory outpatient treatment for mental illness adjudged dangerous (provided due process is respected). In Colorado. In Connecticut. They can vote in Chicago for the effective direction of City funds to gang control, education, focused policing, and mandatory time for unlawful possession of a handgun. They can call that last bit the Julian Gayles Law, or Hadiya’s Law.

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    • right. lets put all of our rights on the table for votes by the majority *rolls eyes*

      In what universe did that make sense to anybody? LOL

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  10. Between the femmy voice of the (transgendered?) individual asking the question and the response Ol’ Joe gave, I nearly pissed my pants laughing.

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  11. Fine to use Gramps side by side till theirs 3+ bad guys. But we dont call him “Slow Joe Biden” for a reason!!

    ARs rule Joe drools!!

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  12. Nick, it looks like you missed a spot. From the memo:

    “The 1997 Australia gun buyback and its associated regulations is an exception to this. 1. It was large, buying back 20% of the firearm stock. 2. It targeted semi-automatic weapons. 3. It coupled the buyback with a ban on certain weapons and a nationwide registration and licensing program. There is strong evidence that it reduced mass killings (before the initiative massacres occurred on average once per
    year and none have occurred in the 15 years since).”

    Only one problem – here’s the list of Australian mass killings before 1997; not all of which were committed with firearms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

    I’m unaware of a single peer reviewed study that has found reliable evidence that the ban reduced mass killings in Australia, in large part because they were so unusual before the ban (not withstanding the fact that the ban was a direct result of Port Arthur massacre).

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    • @Anodyne: The following paragraph to the one you quoted starts with “The Australia buyback appears to have had no effect on crime otherwise…”

      It is saying that while the massive buybacks (confiscation) have reduced mass killings, but otherwise have not had any effect on crime. Since mass shootings account for a miniscule percentage of total violent and even gun crime, it’s effect is pretty small. The same paragraph also goes on to attack the accuracy of a study that claims the massive buyback reduced gun homicide.

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  13. Seriously. If it weren’t for ol’ Say-it-ain’t-so-Joe, there would be no levity left in this mess.
    I join my fellow TTAGers in eagerly awaiting Joe’s upcoming self-defense shotgun training videos. Look out Nutnfancy, there’s a new shooter in town, and he dispenses knowledge one barrel at a time!

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  14. That was very generous of Suarez…that being said, I’d like to see how well these bans work when 3D printers rise, and print those evil, evil “large capacity jumbo clips.”

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  15. Great. Someone who has been an attorney, elected official, and self-proclaimed gun violence “expert” for 40 years doesn’t understand one of the most basic laws concerning the use of lethal force work. I am unsurprised.

    I would love it if the next time some doofus gets arrested for firing a warning shot, that they use the legal advice in this video as part of their defense. 🙂

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  16. I think Roseanne is more of a hardcore feminist than she is a statist. She’s for anything that empowers women, and nothing is more empowering than a gun. For her, that (thankfully) seems to trump any notion of political collectivism.

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  17. I saw this on NBC tonight. I was utterly awestruck at the profound ignorance and flatly DANGEROUS “advice” proffered by the VP. HOOOOOOLY SHIT. Literally, every comment he made was easily refutable by anyone with a modicum of knowledge. Absolutely crazy!

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  18. Maybe if the schools where these hypothetical young women attend would install sufficient lighting and make some common sense adjustments to the landscaping and pathways between buildings, there would be less chance of one of those young women getting scared and shooting the wrong person (or even prevent actual rapes, for that matter).

    But no, our high and mighty universities much prefer to allow rape to happen than to compromise on their precious pseudo-liberal ideology, or to spend a little of that fat endowment on the students rather than the board’s paychecks.

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  19. Hi everyone, thanks for your the input and feedback. I can’t say I agree much with you, but it was an interesting read.
    Regards, Rep. Rosenthal

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  20. I am saddened by the terrorist actions of the DHS and the corrupt sherrif’s department. The fact is…..the RULE of LAW has been broken for quite some time, now.
    The American people have a proven fraud and traitor as their “president.” Not only is Obama NOT a natural-born citizen (as designated in the law of the land), he is also using a fraudulent social security card. The social security number he used on his income tax return was originally given to a German immigrant who was born in 1890. That immigrant migrated here, got his citizenship WITH a social security number, then died without having collected any of the benifits.
    Did Obama’s grandmother work for the social security administration in Honolulu? Did Obama’s grandmother simply steal the dead man’s file?
    Obama has put forth over 900 executive orders thus far. To my knowledge, and according to their OWN website…Whitehouse.gov…..138 of these have come to fruition. Is Obama our new dictator? May he govern by way of “executive order?” Does the U.S. Constitution leave room for governing WITHOUT the consent of it’s people? Are the House AND the Senate now obsolete?
    The fact is, ever since the assassination of J.F.K., America has been duped into believing lie after lie after lie. The media (controlled by G.E., George Sorros, and other “one world” elitists) have led a successful propaganda campaign.
    What to do? You see…..Satan will have his day. There WILL be a one world government. You WILL NOT be able to buy, sell or trade without the mark of the beast. One can, however, make Jesus Christ the Lord of their life. The Holy Spirit will protect you. The Holy Spirit will provide for you.
    That doesn’t mean that you won’t be persecuted….but your life wll have dimension and purpose. This life we now have is the SHORTEST thing we will EVER do. Play the “long” game. Play for eternity.
    Thank you for allowing me to express my views.
    David A. Perkins
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  21. The truly sad thing is that half the nation voted for these idiots. If Joe is Barry’s “gun expert,” than much can be said about their lack of knowledge of firearms and tactics. Not only is the AR-15 the patrol rifle firearm of choice for most of the LE agencies across the nation, it is one of the best self defense platforms available. Clearly, it is not the politically correct choice, but the fact that the AR offends Joe and Barry only adds to its charm.

    At work, I have a pump 12 gauge and an AR. When I have a felony stop, or am looking for an armed suspect, I grab my AR-15. Past 20 yards, it is much easier to make hits with an AR. The spread of our 00 buck loads limits the effectiveness. Overall, I consider the AR-15 to be a superior defensive weapon than a pump 12. In turn, a pump 12 is superior to a double barrel, which is better than a single shot.

    Then again, I consider the freedom of choice to be superior to having a politician limits my options.

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  22. Old joe, wowing them at Mensa again. A little advice, it’s better to be silent & thought a fool than to speak up & remove all doubt. Yeah I stole it, yeah it applies. I thought that Massad really knew firearms, I can see gunner boy joe is the man though, Randy

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  23. Two shots means two chances to stop the threat. Hmm. Hope they stand single file if there are two or more! A threat in my house and I grab 14 .40 caliber chances to stop the threat and my wife gets 16 9mm chances if they get past me.

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  24. Would our illustrious VP be willing to have his own Secret Service detail switch out and replace their standard-issue firearms for double-barrel shotguns?

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  25. OMGWTFBBQ!!! That is such an evil, black tool of mass destruction! Those high capacity assault shakers! You can unleash millions of grains of salt per minute with that! I bet he didnt even pay the tax stamp on that pepper shaker, probably bought it at a gun show using the loophole! We have to ban those immediately…for the children! Confiscate! Call in the drones! Notify ATF and DHS! Someone call tail gunner Joe and his double barrel!!! I’m gonna go wet myself, then curl up in the fetal position under my bed and suck my thumb while I wait for daddy O to come save me (and maybe he will bring me a free phone!).

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  26. Gee thanks you old bag for telling me I can’t get to my gun to defend myself and even if I did someone is going to take it off me. Clearly not living in reality.

    Reality is what will happen one day to her and the family when really bad men get past her security guards (who are in on the deal) and spend hours playing with all of them before it all ends.

    Maybe she should read the SA papers more and learn just how violent her world is.

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  27. Can we get a link to this document NOT hosted by a pro-gun org? Nobody on the other side will listen to something that comes from the NRA. and the only other places I can find it are on wildly right-wing blogs that even I won’t listen to without a super-size grain of salt.

    If we are going to couch the credibility of this study in the [theoretical] objectivity of the Department of Justice, it can’t come from such an obviously-biased source as the NRA.

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  28. “Am I going mad, or did the word “think” escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains you hippopotamic landmass!”

    A double-barreled shotgun? What, you fire two warning shots and now you’re empty? Black holes aren’t this dense. And this buffoon is a heartbeat from the presidency?

    Liberalism: Lowering the standards for everybody.

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  29. Well, the obvious solution to the pediatricians’ concern is to make it impossible for people who have minor children in their homes to own firearms, yes? Perhaps when you go to buy a firearm, the form you fill out should include the question, “Are there any minor children in your residence?,” and if you answer “Yes,” the gun store owner would have to tell you, “Sorry, I can’t sell you a gun.” BTW, for those whose emotions are running so high over the possibility that the current furor over gun control will deprive them of their weapons, that they can no longer recognize sarcasm, please be advised that my suggestion is just that, sarcasm.

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  30. The gun control argument is now toast, done, end of story, thanks to 3D printers. Go on youtube and type in the following in the search key (Make a Working GUN using a 3D Printer). This guy already came up with a working prototype, using mostly 3D printed parts. Also google (Weapons made with 3-D printers could test gun-control efforts) and (The world’s first 3D-printed gun). One of these is from an article seen on the washington post website. The scary thing is that 3D printing is only in its infancy. On the tech websites I’ve read, they compare the current state of 3D printing to where dot matrix printers were 20 years ago. Over the next 10 years, use of these printers is going to become more and more commonplace, the quality of the printers will only increase, and the price will continue to fall, just like when plasma TV’s and DVD players came out. Also, the cost for a good home 3D printer isn’t too prohibitive, even at this point. The printer used to make the AR15 parts in that weblink cost less than 5 grand. Also, when 3D metal home printing becomes available, which I’m sure it will eventually as the technology evolves, then you can print an entire AR-15 in your own home. Not only that, but you will also to be able to print out your own bullet casings, so even regulating ammunition will be hard. The fact that people are already using workable high capacity magazines and gun parts made from 3D printers shows what’s coming on the horizon. 20 years from now, if I want to buy a gun, I won’t be surprised if the entire purchase involves only paying a license fee to download the CAD program for the weapon design to my computer off the internet, then printing the weapon from home. Then you run into piracy problems with the designs being circulated on the internet, etc, too. You will be able to make untraceable guns with no serial number and no background check, as well as your own high capacity magazines and bullets from the privacy of your own home. This has implications for countries with gun bans already in place, too. All you need is the printer, the cost for materials, and a computer with an internet connection. You can imagine what the Chinese would think of having thousands of printers in private hands throughout the country, along with internet access. Gun control pundits can huff and puff about regulation of firearms, but this completely throws it out the window, because people will be able to do it all from home. 3d printing wont just revolutionize firearms, but global manufacturing as a whole. The implications are staggering. Diane Feinstein is 79 years old, so she probably will have passed away by the time all of this comes to fruition, but if she was alive 20 years from now, I’m sure she would blow an aneurysm. And its not just guns. You can extrapolate this to missile parts, etc. All you need is the CAD program blueprints. Crazy.
    Right now, I’m doing the Happy Happy Joy Joy Dance, because the gun control movement is now absolutely destroyed. It’s finished, and this proves it, beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have the biggest grin on my face right now. The genie is out of the bottle 🙂

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  31. You want to know what can be done? More people start getting off their couches, TV, video games and computers and start arming themselves. A revolution is definitely coming in the next 50 years or so, and by then we will hopefully be strong enough to stand up and fight for our rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. In a situation like this, the Second Amendment brings up “militias” for a reason. If this place had a local militia with good and fast sources of communication and info, the militia would have surrounded the agents, or in this case I would call them nothing but enemies on the other side of the battlefield, and force them to show the true facts before any more steps are taken, and since this was all a fraud… who knows what might have happened but for sure the “victim” of the agents would have most likely been in 90% better shape then this outcome.

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  32. I know she has had extensive plastic surgery but I just don’t think she has to worry about rape. Even if the esthetics didn’t prevent any thought of copulation the sound coming out of the beasts cake hole would surely cause permanent erectile dysfunction.

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  33. I applaud One Source for their generosity but I’d be happy to see droves of people leave these anti-American states. I know with families and jobs it’s not easy but that is what will make the difference, when they see their tax base shrink and free states prosper.

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  34. Sorry Chris, but Obama has never like anything other than an ass-clown. Simple policies for a simpleton who is a master at nothing other than spin. The man should be impeached.

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  35. Before we condemn Crazy Joe lets consider the hidden wisdom of his thinking. Sure, after the 2 shots you’re stuck with an empty gun, but look how far ol’ Joe has gotten on a empty head.

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  36. I’m not gay but the first thing I noticed was finger on the trigger.

    Someone who wasn’t thinking with their little head should have given her a two-minute discussion on firearm safety rules.

    John

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  37. poseur or not, if she can get some of those vapid dinks who love jersey shore to stop spray tanning long enough to learn something about firearms it’s a good thing.

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  38. Its like the movie Twins all over, Heidi & feinswine, sure is hard to tell the difference. /// Heidi sure is a cutie, its nice to have her on our side, Randy

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  39. Not good enough. If the community was ready to “forever” shun CTD, then Armalite should be in the same boat. True colors on the first email, ass covering on the second.

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  40. Hey Magpul come to North Carolina. We’ll have a BBQ (its better than that Texas stuff!). We already have Remington, Para-USA, I.O. and Del-Ton. We are business friendly and there are incentives for businesses to locate here. You might even get Obama to come by and talk to your workers like he did recently at a semi-new Siemans plant.

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  41. http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/spencer-pratt-you-can-never-have-enough-guns-in-your-house-2013192

    The other photo is worse. Booger hooks on the bang switches and they “claim” they shoot often. Learn the safety rules and promote them at all times to everyone you influence.

    Heck, I got two of my coworkers who have these coffee mugs who’ve changed how they grip their mugs because I pointed out what should have been obvious to them that they were building bad habits… I was semi-joking but after thinking about it they agreed.

    http://www.amazon.com/Big-Mouth-Toys-The-Gun/dp/B004N016CO

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  42. Refusing to sell to cops in these states would probably cause the police and their unions to put pressure on the elected idiots passing such laws and maybe they could be stopped.

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  43. Is there any way to get a running list of companies who have joined the boycott added to each of these announcements so that we need not go searching back through the archives?

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  44. This made me ill literally.
    The web site is getting hammered so I wasn’t able to view the targets, but given the outrage of the Travon Martin target, this should make everyone mad!

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  45. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ7LzE3u7Bw

    (also at http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html )

    Richard Wilkinson: How Economic Inequality Harms Societies

    TEDtalksDirector
    uploaded on Oct 24, 2011

    We feel instinctively that societies with huge income gaps are somehow going wrong.

    Richard Wilkinson charts the hard data on economic inequality, and shows what gets worse when rich and poor are too far apart: real effects on health, lifespan, even such basic values as trust.

    Watch the segment from 7:18 to 7:35. There is an undeniable correlation between income inequality and homicide rates, in every U.S. state and Canadian province.

    “This is violence. These red dots are American states, and the blue triangles are Canadian provinces. But look at the scale of the differences. It goes from 15 homicides per million up to 150. This is the proportion of the population in prison. There’s a about a tenfold difference there, log scale up the side. But it goes from about 40 to 400 people in prison. That relationship is not mainly driven by more crime. In some places, that’s part of it. But most of it is about more punitive sentencing, harsher sentencing. And the more unequal societies are more likely also to retain the death penalty.”

    Unfortunately, the Right thinks that income inequality is something we need more of, while the Left only pays lip-service to equality, but doesn’t want to actually do something about it because it would hinder their gun-control agenda.

    It is ironic that the same people who were praising “Occupy Wall Street” at the end of 2011, and framed the discussion in terms of “the 1%” and “the 99%”, are willing dupes in a campaign orchestrated by the 10th richest man in America. Bloomberg is not just a 1%er, he’s at the very top of the 1%.

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  46. RF, Personally, I hope you’re making enough to cover your expenses and even make a living. I use Chrome and AdBlock so I haven’t noticed the ads.

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  47. Well that explaines a lot, I have always wondered about the voices I hear in my head, good to know its nothing serious and that I’m just plain nuts.

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  48. I’m going to do this once, because those of you who want to understand probably do, and those of you who don’t want to understand probably never will.

    Second Amendment rights are Constitutional rights of the people against the government. The GOVERNMENT only. Not against private persons. Property rights are rights of the property owner against the world. That’s EVERYBODY.

    An non-governmental employer can violate your Second Amendment rights to their heart’s content because those rights don’t impact your employer, only governments. It’s not that their property rights trump your 2A rights. It’s that your 2A rights are rights against government, not your employer. Period.

    So, can states pass laws to take way property rights so that you can bring your gun where it’s not wanted? Sure. Is that the kind of law you want? Because if the state can pass a law restricting someone else’s property rights, it can do the same damn thing to you. And it will. You can count on it.

    Change your employer’s mind, or get a new job. Leave his property rights alone.

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