As I type this, thousands of New York gun owners are gathering in Albany to protest the unconstitutional train wreck known as the SAFE Act. It’s proof positive that New York’s traditional bifurcation—upstate and downstate—has gone ballistic. Make no mistake, it’s a nasty split, with the civilian disarmament folks spreading fear and loathing throughout the Empire State. Make the jump to read an email from Hudson city Alderman Dave Marston [above] to gun rights advocate Johanna Johnson-Smith. Marston expresses his unhappiness about her presence at a Hudson Common Council meeting considering a complete ban to complement the SAFE Act. This missive [via menrec.com] may seem like an extremist’s ranting, but it’s a good indication of what lingers beneath what little civility exists in the civilian disarmament movement . . .
Dear Joanna Johnson-Smith,
Its really neat that all you gun toting tea party psychotards are so interested in the goings on of our little City, even though I find it amazing that you don’t have any other pressing issues before you in New Lebanon. On the other hand, I guess its not surprising, considering you ideologues aren’t interested in actual policy, but rather grandstanding on mythical narratives of victimization.
Two things: The only spit here is the white stuff frothing on the ends of that rotten little mouth of yours from which you spew this hateful ignorant trash. And a donkeys behind? The rabid ignorance of the fringe is best illustrated by its sad metaphors, I mean seriously, thank you for the laughs.
By all means, come on down, we’ll be happy to beat you barbarians back with the clubs of reason & responsibility, radical lunatics that you are. And say, a quick ProTip, since you’re the “organizer” for unemployed guns nuts USA. Next time you think these unhinged rants will change the mind of anyone who has even a modicum of intelligence, you might instead just go back down into your basement & watch another episode of wheel-of-fortune. It’ll certainly be just as effective. Remember: there are millions of Eagle Scout God Worshiping Patriots who find you & your radical ilk as disgraceful to American Democracy as the Brown Shirt jackboots you act like. I happen to be just one of them. Good Luck.
Best Regards,
David Marston
When he was running for election there was no hint at all about his wanting to ban our semi auto sporting rifles but once he gets elected then he comes out for a ban; kinda reminds me of someone else whose last name starts with an O!
Death before slavery!
Well I almost wish he said Browncoats instead of Brownshirts. A Firefly/Serenity comparison would be apt here.
I’m Glad to see the civility of people with a different view.
Whole lotta projectin’ going on.
Marston,
STFU, FOAD, GCAD, DIAF
SYIH
Best regards,
Michael B.
Sounds like someone is itching for a second amendment recall vote. Word to the wise… It is a silly idea to provoke someone who…
1. You know to be armed.
2. You think hates you.
3. You think lacks basic intelligence.
It’s sort of the evolutionary equivalent of slathering yourself in honey and steak sauce heading over to the nearest hibernating bear, and proceeding to teabag it while poking it with a stick…
On the other hand… Never mind. Please carry on.
Alderman Dave Marston clearly illustrates the utter contempt that he and his kind have for “other people” (people who do not agree with Mr. Marston). And he clearly illustrates that civilian disarmament proponents have no interest in the “live and let live” principle that used to be the norm in our once great nation.
And civilian disarmament proponents wonder why I want to be armed? Really?!?!?
This is the new breed of Democrat that is being so widely voted into office. They call themselves “Progressives”. This is not my parent’s Democratic party anymore. Beware and vote wisely.
Knowing that this thoughtless facist f*ck hole is an American makes me ashamed to call myself one.
Wow so I guess we are all nuts. So all the ten thousand people who showed up in Albeny today are nuts too? I guess we better declare all of New York State a loony bin then.
How about just the New York metro area? Those are the people that seem to be the worst affected. We should quarantine them just to be safe.
Better to be a Tea Party member than a snobby Fascist PIG like you, is my response to this Bloomberg baby.
I am an attorney, have written a few trusts, but offer no opinion whether one can “get by” with a DIY software package to create a gun trust. Certainly, NFA items raise issues not normally addressed in typical trusts, and certainly not “hard coded” into WillMaker software. I do think, however, that it is best (not essential) to have a separate trust for your NFA items, and another for cars, household goods, etc. I probably will put ALL of my guns in my gun trust, even non-NFA items (examples, the threaded-barrel pistol the silencer fits, guns not legal in California or other states where my beneficiaries reside or may be residing at the time of my death– such as guns with threaded barrels, “high capacity” magazines, pistols lacking magazine disconnects or loaded chamber indicators). And one cannot assume that certain gun-unfriendly states in which one’s kids live/might move to won’t continue to ban ownership, even through inheritance, of non-NFA guns that have (or lack) various features/mechanisms.
BTW, a compelling reason for purchasing NFA items in a gun trust is to shave time off getting the stamp. Yesterday, a dealer (in Arizona) told me he is experiencing 8 to 12 month waiting period for individual purchases, vs. 6 months when a gun trust is used. That alone (for me) tips the scale in favor of a gun trust, even for somebody (e.g., no kids, no gun-enthusiast friends/relatives) who doesn’t care what happens to his goodies after he dies, and is fine with them getting destroyed, turned into the police, etc.
I think it is sad that some attorneys are charging $600 or more for completing their in-house gun trust form they have perfected over the years (and for which they have been paid by prior clients many times over), often having it done in many cases by a paralegal who puts an hour or two of his/her time into it (or less). They are entitled to “recoup their R&D expenses” but have long since done that. I am not convinced that “you get what you pay for” necessarily applies to an attorney specializing in this area who charges only $200. Probably is just as good as a $1000 gun trust. Too bad there isn’t a website with attorney-prepared “use at your own risk” gun trust forms for every state in which NFA items are legal.
A final note– just because the BATF issues a stamp to a trust doesn’t mean they concerned themselves with, or passed judgment on, the legal efficacy of your gun trust. They just look at a few items to satisfy themselves that it looks like a trust “entity” has been established (a trust is really not an entity, but a means of holding title; for whatever reason, the Feds treat it as an entity, as they would a corporation or LLC, for purposes of transferring NFA items).
Sorry for the lengthy post (or any typos).
Well. thats one of the reasons an AR is needed, to protect the innocent in “his little city”. He’s probably saving the kids, oh well, Randy
I think a spear gun would be most appropriate to keep ready in the shower.
No doubt our Founding Fathers contemplated Mr. Martson as the prototype for the politician and government the Second Amendment was intended to protect against. Mr. Martson, as with Piers Morgan, demonstrates an equal contempt for the First Amendment, masquerading intimidation for debate, and volume for reason.
So no claymores and punji pits?
There is so much hostility and ill will being put forth. I am not saying we should not get upset about people trying to take our rights away. It infuriates me that people believe that it is okay to take away our rights or that we don’t need/have a use for them, but all this extreme hostility, name calling, and FOADing that is going on does not make us any better than the ignorant man that wrote this letter. It does not make people who stand up for our rights look like cool headed, intelligent, and rational individuals. Acting in such a manner sheds negative light on you and what you fight for just as it did with David Marston. Does anyone really think that his letter will persuade a rational thinking person to be part of the gun grabbers movement? Everyone who is responding to this with equally hateful and rude words is doing the exact same thing he is.
Chris: A lot of us aren’t real good at being told what to do. Which now includes you in the group. Guys like me think guys like you have control issues. I hope you consider my comments.
+1 Thank you Chris for helping shed a little light here…This kind of anger can be very infectious… Lord knows I’m not immune…
A “no guns in the parking lot” sign/policy would do nothing to stop someone from going postal. If an employee wants to shoot up the office, I don’t think they’re going to care/listen to an unenforceable policy.
What’s up with antis and not being able to common sense things out?
This is the thought process we are arguing against. Utterly moronic. Common sense was apparently the one thing these “highly educated” liberals didnt learn in school.
Anti tactic #1 – baseless insults. Psychotard? I always thought liberals were against using “retarded” as an insult. Are they going to start using homophobic derogatory terms next too?
My favorite one is the “compensation” insult. I didn’t know my love of firearms rights made it possible for someone to be able to tell the size of my genitalia.
In Kansas, parking lots, open spaces are all open to conceal carry. Just gotta be careful on Federal property like P.O offices.
To my mind it all comes down to are cars property in the same vein as homes. If they are then business owners can chose to allow parking on their property or not, but they should have no say as to what an employee legally has in their car.
In the words of the Church Lady: “Ain’t that special”!!!! If I am a Concealed License holder and can legally carry a weapon in my vehicle anywhere I go then why would it be a problem having it secured in my car while I am at work??
Been on my job over ten years and never had a problem with anything so why would it be problem now?? I understand about private property rights etc but come on!!
The logic from businesses is based on liability.
If a bad guy gets shot by an employee in the course of a robbery,in an ideal world the employee would get promoted.In our sorry excuse for one, the bad guy or his survivors would have the legal ability to sue the business ; even if the scumbag loses, the legal costs for defense can get expensive quick.
By comparison, if the scumbag shoots up the office the company isn’t liable. There was a sign and corporate policy banning guns, so tough cookies victims. The only thing the company pays for in this event is the cost of replacing the blood-stained carpet.
I ignore all such signs, rules, etc., such as at major shopping malls (otherwise known as target-rich environments). As long as I do not have to go through a metal detector, I pay them no attention. If I do have to go through a metal detector, such as at a courthouse or airport, then obviously I do not carry. Or avoid them altogether.
You, and only you, are responsible for your own safety. I have carried concealed for over 30 years, and have never been approached because my gun was seen.
You should change your handle to Old Scofflaw!
Few questions about the SAFE act restriction to “7 rounds in a magazine”:
1) Does anyone know if the SAFE act restriction of 7 rounds in a magazine says anything about 7+1 in a semi-auto? That last round isn’t in the magazine.
2) Does anyone know if an 8 round revolver, like the S&W 627 is covered by the law?
3) New York Reload considered in the law? (maybe the “New New York Reload”)
I see a practical problem with guns in cars – thieves would know where to steal guns, in company parking lots. Otherwise, the more rights, the merrier.
Lefties follow the same path in every area of policy. For example, they champion calling vagrants “the homeless” because they believe that if you give a vagrant a home, he will be transformed into a conscientious homeowner.
They also believe that if we artificially boost the income of a fellow who can’t hold a job or manage his money, he’ll suddenly grow up and follow the straight and narrow.
Hand out “free” condoms in school and teenagers will behave coolly and carefully, right?
Yes, they really are that stupid, and their policies have been dragging down our society for decades.
Anybody notice ol shotgun Joe is sitting on the WRONG side of that desk in the F&S picture? Hahahahahaha, Joe
Businesses should have the right to set whatever rules they wish, just as customers and employees have the right to tell em to F off, as I frequently do for stores with no guns signs.
Likewise, we can make the choice to ignore such signs altogether.
The air-shotgun VP is holding in that picture appears to have both a pistol grip and a vertical forward grip, assault double barrel shotgun.
Yeah a man followed his advice and is in Virginia and he is in jail now. This guy on shooting threw doors approach is past bad words for it its just…… DUMB!!!
Part of the problem is that we humans think other human minds are just like ours. For example, I, as a level-headed, rational person of mild temperament, am continually astonished when I hear aggressive anti-gun attacks like “he should be shot with his own assault rifle–that would be justice,” or “gun-toting psychotards,” or “he’s compensating for a little penis with a rifle.” I simply can’t internalize that these people that LOOK like grownups have such immature aggression and complete lack of humility–what hubris it takes to truly believe you know what’s best for everyone else.
It cuts both ways. A liberal hunting-rifle-owning friend of mine told me he doesn’t think people should be allowed to carry guns because they could escalate an incident and shoot someone. In a separate conversation, months apart, he told me that he explained to his daughter that being a man is a constant daily struggle to keep from hauling off and punching people in the face. I appreciate his restraint.
I learned a couple of things from this:
1. Those bossy commenters who say mean things about gun owners really are immature, aggressive, potentially violent control freaks.
2. They think we’re just as crazy as they are.
I have no idea how to convince them otherwise. They really do believe we’re just a ham sandwich away from our murderous hearts.
Could this be why I reload now. Granted I don’t have what most of you have but my Henry .44 does OK 225 gr accurate up to 200yds. Hope none of the buyers got injured.
I would crucify him for his sheer unapologetic misogyny. The manner in which he responded clearly demonstrates how much he hates it when women speak their mind.
Florida Statutes 790.251(3):
(3) LEGISLATIVE INTENT; FINDINGS.—This act is intended to codify the long-standing legislative policy of the state that individual citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that they have a constitutional right to possess and keep legally owned firearms within their motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes, and that these rights are not abrogated by virtue of a citizen becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of a business entity. It is the finding of the Legislature that a citizen’s lawful possession, transportation, and secure keeping of firearms and ammunition within his or her motor vehicle is essential to the exercise of the fundamental constitutional right to keep and bear arms and the constitutional right of self-defense. The Legislature finds that protecting and preserving these rights is essential to the exercise of freedom and individual responsibility. The Legislature further finds that no citizen can or should be required to waive or abrogate his or her right to possess and securely keep firearms and ammunition locked within his or her motor vehicle by virtue of becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of any employer or business establishment within the state, unless specifically required by state or federal law.
I can see these 2 walking off to Liberalandia to found a new and better society, hopefully followed by many more of their ilk. Let’s face it, we’re just not worthy of these superior creatures and we’ll just have to make do without their guidance.
Well done, Mr. Noir.
This went directly to Facebook, thanks Dan!
Piers Morgan is Jerry Springer with a Brit accent.