For this encounter (starts at 49:50), Mr. Fineman of the Gun Victims Action Council promised not to talk over me. Needless to say he did. Also needless to say, Mr. Fineman is divorced from reality. In fact, he wants nothing to do with it. When confronted by facts – such as scientific studies quantifying defensive gun uses – Fineman takes the same tack my second ex does: change the subject. In short, there’s no talking to these people. But it’s worth doing when someone else is listening, in case there’s an open mind available. IMHO.