Triggered: University of Virginia Cancels Veterans Day 21-Gun Salute Because of ‘Gun Violence’

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The University of Virginia is clamoring for more safe spaces, locations on campus where individuals and identity groups can “feel validated and…build community.” In an atmosphere like that, imagine how disturbing the thought of holding a Veterans Day observance must be. Especially one that involves gunfire.

That could have caused some of UVA’s less hearty undergrads to run for the nearest cry closet. But don’t worry, Cavaliers, because this year’s 21-gun salute has been eliminated from the Veterans Day ceremony. Because gun violence.

As the College Fix reports . . .

…the annual ceremony “marks the conclusion of a 24-hour vigil by ROTC cadets and has included the 21-gun salute for more than a decade,” but the decision to nix the salute was made by the provost’s office in conjunction with the colonel of UVA’s ROTC program.

The decision, however, hasn’t been met with universal approval.

UVA president Jim Ryan explained the decision this way . . .

As Ryan’s statement makes clear, this year’s ceremony will be gunfire free. But the powers that be on campus pledge to revisit the question before next November to see if there’s a way to reincorporate the salute without causing undue or irreparable psychic damage to the school’s 21,000 students.

 

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  1. avatar Tim says:

    These people are ripe for slavery. And no one to blame but themselves.

    1. avatar WI Patriot says:

      BUT, they’ll ALWAYS find someone else to blame, god forbid that they take ANY responsibility for themselves…

      1. avatar MarkinTex says:

        Riiiight, because you with your semi-auto rifle and your well-worn copy of Red Dawn would be totally able to resist “slavery” if the federal government really did ever send well-trained troops equipped with modern milspec weaponry after you. Dream on, Rambo.

        1. avatar Dennis says:

          We’d at least try!

        2. avatar tdiinva says:

          You are right. What could a bunch of Afghan peasants do against a superpower. /Sarc

        3. avatar VicRattlehead says:

          Better to die on your feet than live on your knees and all that…

        4. avatar Caesar says:

          A bunch of pajama wearing peasant’s couldnt stand a chance against the U.S. Military in Southeast Asia.
          The British made some bad decisions to

        5. avatar Cloudbuster says:

          OK, slave.

        6. avatar Huntmaster says:

          As a veteran of two of the armed forces and one who has a number of both veterans and active duty family members, if the Federal Government ever did send well-trained troops equipped with modern milspec weaponry after the people, they might just wish they weren’t so well trained or well equipped. This isn’t Venezuela yet.

        7. avatar MarkinTex says:

          Tdiinva, you really think if the US government actually decided to suspend all civil liberties and turn its military against its own people, that the prosecution of that war would look anything like the Geneva Convention-compliant rules of engagement-enforced actions the US military currently engages in? You dear sweet naive boy.

          As for the rest of you, the insurgents in the Middle East and South Asia have been hardened and numbed to the deprivations of warfare by living all their lives in impoverished conditions where life is cheap and they have never had much to live for. You guys used to your air conditioned suburban houses and Friday night dinners at Applebee’s would wet yourselves before the first shots were fired in a real SHTF situation.

        8. avatar Dennis says:

          And after the first shots were fired, we’d walk on their bodies and eat their lunches.😈

        9. avatar Mister Fleas says:

          “Riiiight, because you with your semi-auto rifle and your well-worn copy of Red Dawn would be totally able to resist “slavery” if the federal government really did ever send well-trained troops equipped with modern milspec weaponry after you. Dream on, Rambo.”

          A government employee who was given Veterans’ Day off.

        10. avatar Dennis says:

          No doubt!!

        11. avatar Leighton Cavendish says:

          and yet the Vietnamese kicked our asses there…and the Afghanis trounced the Russians…
          if the US armed forces were tasked with killing American civilians…many would balk at the task…
          but lets hope we never have to find out for real
          and you basically prove the point that gun owners are no threat…so why bother banning guns for legal gun owners?

        12. avatar GS650G says:

          The military is not populated by people who wish to enslave at the request of politicians. Sorry to disappoint you.

        13. avatar zerofoo says:

          Ask the Soviet Union’s “well-trained troops equipped with modern milspec weaponry” how well they did in Afghanistan in the late 70’s and early 80’s.

          Aw heck – you can read about it here:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

          Besides – what makes you think our military will fire on civilians? Our military has never had to fight a war without the support of the American people and it’s economy.

          Guerrilla/civil war is a very different thing than traditional forces are used to fighting.

        14. avatar MarkinTex says:

          @Leighton Cavendish says:
          “and yet the Vietnamese kicked our asses there…and the Afghanis trounced the Russians…”
          Already dealt with, the US lost in Vietnam because it fought on someone else’s soil with one hand tied behind its back and had no support at home for full-out war. And yet still the VC and NVA would likely not have fared so well had they not been supplied by the Chinese and Soviets as a Cold War proxy war. Essentially the same issue with the Soviets, Mujahadeen would likely have not fared well if the US hadn’t been training them and providing them Stingers. Mostly, though Gorbachev was motivated to exit because of a crumbling economy at home, made worse by US sanctions over being in Afghanistan, that made full commitment in Afghanistan untenable.

          “if the US armed forces were tasked with killing American civilians…many would balk at the task…”
          I agree, which is why the whole fantasy of needing an AR-15 to protect one’s “2nd Amendment right to rebel” (an utterly baseless myth) is so unnecessary.

          “and you basically prove the point that gun owners are no threat…so why bother banning guns for legal gun owners?”
          Who’s saying anything about banning guns for legal gun owners? This article that has triggered y’all so much is a college’s choice not to have guns firing in a certain part of campus while classes were going on there. From the UVA president: “They (UVA ROTC CO) considered the option of relocating the ceremony to another place on Grounds. But given that the 21-gun salute is not a required, or even typical, part of Veteran’s Day ceremonies — as opposed to Memorial Day ceremonies, which are specifically dedicated to those who have lost their lives in service to our country — they chose to keep the ceremony at a central location on Grounds but leave out the 21-gun salute.”

          But it’s been fun watching y’all clutch your pearls over this.

        15. avatar Spock says:

          I love this worn argument that assumes all members of the armed forces would accept orders like that, or having fighter jets means the jackboots would control a patch of ground the second they left it. Almost as dumb as the “what’s your rifle gonna do against nukes” tripe. As if any gov would use nukes on its own territory and maintain in power. Mark in Tex (prob Austin) I rate your bootlicking a solid 9.0

          You know how those things always go. Win every pitched battle but lose the war. Every. Single. Time. Eat a bag of dicks Mark in Austin.

        16. avatar Barry says:

          Better to die like a man then what is going to happen to you princess

        17. avatar MarkinTex says:

          Spock, I’m not responsible for your inability to comprehend what I actually said or for the straw man argument you constructed in its stead. I never said that I believed members of the armed forces would accept orders like that. We’re talking fantasy here. A certain segment of the firearms enthusiast population maintains a fantasy that they and their rifles are the bulwark against a federal government that is just itching to throw everyone into reeducation camps, but is too terrified of said bulwark. I just pointed out that in such a ridiculous fantasy scenario with a US government that would actually want to pull something like this off, let alone attempt it, they wouldn’t be caring about public opinion or world opinion, they wouldn’t fight by Queensbury Rules, and they would bring to bear an arsenal that the most dedicated prepper would be no match for. So that’s why it always seems perverse to me that this particular segment of the firearms enthusiast population indulges in this dystopian fantasy with such relish, almost as if they want it to happen – “just let them try!” kinda like that jacked-up guy at the bar who seems to be looking for a fight, trying to interpret the most innocuous comment as an insult.

          Now that we’ve got that out of the way, you rate my “bootlicking” (In the words of Inigo Montoya “I don’t think that word means what you think it means”) “a solid 9.0”? Just curious what governing body’s scoring system you go by?

          Oh, and actually I live in Corpus, not Austin. And I grew up in Richardson. Went to school in College Station.

          “You know how these things go. Win every pitched battle but lose the war. Every. Single. Time.”
          What? Um, okay…..cool.

          “Eat a bag of dicks Mark in Austin.” That’s very un-Vulcan-like of you to lose your cool like that, Mr. Spock. Sorry I somehow so upset you as to cause you to lose your Vulcan emotional detachment.

        18. avatar MarkinTex says:

          “Barry says:
          November 11, 2019 at 21:24

          Better to die like a man then what is going to happen to you princess”

          Wow, you’ve got some sick fantasies there Barry. Just one short sentence and you’ve already made yourself sound like the poster child for red flag laws.

        19. avatar Geoff "Run, Bloomie, run!" PR says:

          “A certain segment of the firearms enthusiast population maintains a fantasy that they and their rifles are the bulwark against a federal government that is just itching to throw everyone into reeducation camps, but is too terrified of said bulwark.”

          ‘mark’, if you ask *anyone* who has studied of fought modern warfare of who to bet on prevailing in an insurgency situation, the smart money gets laid on the insurgents. Here is a *massive* hole in your little ‘theory’ –

          80 percent of the military at the enlisted level votes Conservative. You *might* find a unit or two to open fire on Americans, but that’s not gonna last long when it is made clear to those units who will pay the price for their little ‘adventure’ – The people that they love.

          Hear that sound? That’s the wind in the sails of that idea dropping to dead calm….

        20. avatar Hurley Henson says:

          What would you use Markin Tex? I would guess a dress and a purse since most of you liberal ding bats are feminine anyway. Did you dress as a man or a woman over the weekend?

        21. avatar burley says:

          Obvious troll is obvious. Don’t feed the trolls.

        22. avatar John DeCarlid says:

          The Vietnam Congress didn’t do to bad against our Army

    2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      Dear Virginians,

      Take it from a Californian. If you don’t fight for your rights NOW to stop any pending gun control legislation, you will have to fight ten times as hard after it’s passed into law.

      Sincerely,
      A fellow Patriot behind enemy lines.
      Hotel-Alpha-Zulu

      1. avatar Mike Dexter's a GOD says:

        Campbell County, VA is already declaring non-compliance and a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary….

        https://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/campbell-county-discusses-legislative-agenda/article_2b8fde02-88f7-5dd6-9f4f-dc402f0aaa66.html

        This is why it is important to pay attention to local politics and VOTE.

        1. avatar Fred Brown says:

          I do sincerely hope Accomack County follows suit as I have just purchased a home there and do not wish to give up my arms!

    3. avatar arc says:

      The flesh of this world is weak, and its riches are ripe for the taking.

  2. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    The amazing thing is how many of our youth are willing to go so deep in debt in order to be educated by retards.

    1. avatar WI Patriot says:

      AND then, don’t want to repay their student loans, because it should all be FREE!!!

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        Of course. The reward for my lifetime of hard work should be that I’m privileged to pay the retards’ salaries.

      2. avatar raz-0 says:

        I don’t blame them for not wanting to pay for a worthless degree. The part I have a hard time reconciling is that they feel they are blameless in the process that wound up trading a ton of debt for a worthless degree.

        I mean if you are stupid enough that you couldn’t see what was coming, you probably shouldn’t have been in college in the first place. Yeah sure, some of it is predatory misrepresentation of demand for the degree, but that’s not even close to the majority of it.

        1. avatar Rad Man says:

          Are you suggesting that my dual BAs in Interpretive Dance and 18th Century Women’s Literature are useless?

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Only if you invested time, money and effort into them, Rad.

        3. avatar MarkinTex says:

          No, Radman, he’s just pissed he couldn’t get into a real college, and that his Trump University tuition ended up being a total waste of money.

        4. avatar Geoff "Run, Bloomie, run!" PR says:

          Hey, ‘mark’?

          Ever heard of Dunning-Kruger syndrome?

          It applies to you in spades… 😉

    2. avatar D.T.O.M. says:

      The universities through government backed student loans, grants, and federal funds is sucking an enormous amount of money from the people, and placing generations of students in dept.

      In 2005, the endowment* for the top 100 universities alone totaled $219.37 Billion. At the end of 2015 the table totals $394.96 Billion, an increase of 80% in billion dollar university endowments. The total increased to $479.232B in 2018-9, for 101 institutions.

      Once again just the top 101 have NEARLY HALF A TRILLION of your tax dollars and student’s tuition.

      Princeton University’s endowment is $2.8 million PER STUDENT. Harvard’s endowment is currently nearly $40 Billion dollars!

      Then these students (for their overpriced indoctrination) want the government (aka the taxpayers) to forgive their debt, while placing zero blame on their university. Ain’t ‘socialism’ grand?
      .
      *Endowment = Piles of Cash

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        And they wonder why they can’t balance the budget…

    1. avatar Geoff "Run, Bloomie, run!" PR says:

      You got that right.

      Take a look at a video taken in Portland today :

      “Professor Assaults Woman at Veteran’s Day Flag Wave Rally in Portland, Then Bites Breast of Female MMA Champ Who Pins Her Down (Watch)”

      https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/11/11/professor-assaults-woman-veterans-day-flag-wave-rally-portland-bites-breast-female-mma-champ-pins-watch/

      1. avatar Dennis says:

        Certifiable! TDS on parade!!!!

  3. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Virginia has gone full tard.

  4. avatar Disappointed says:

    Slowly eroding what we stand for. Marginalizing a proud group of voices. 10 years of tradition, flushed away. Wish that the world stopped catering to a small group of loud voices. Getting closer and closer to the movie Idiocracy being real life.

    1. avatar Casey says:

      Not remotely. In Idiocracy, the idiots recognized that Joe Bowers was the smartest man alive (even though he was completely average when he went in) and they valued him for it. They put him in charge and begged him to run things.

      That’s a utopia compared to where we’re going. We’re going to nationalize Brawndo and give everyone non-jobs spraying it on the fields.

  5. avatar HP says:

    Liberals ruin absolutely everything.

  6. avatar JD says:

    I hope we never need to institute a draft to defend this nation again. I can’t imagine these snowflakes being marginally trainable for combat. Maybe if the military institutes cry closets and participation trophies they could cope but I doubt it.

    1. avatar HP says:

      If we go to war with China, most of those brats would probably wet their pants and throw themselves into the arms of the PLA. “We live to serve Emperor Xi!”

      1. avatar Dennis says:

        Zactly! And the rest of us should start learning Mandarin!!!

        1. avatar HP says:

          I pledge allegiance to General Tso, and his succulent, spicy flavor.

        2. avatar Dennis says:

          😂😋👍

        3. avatar FB111 says:

          General Tso I can get along with. Having that orange haired, clueless draft dodger as our CinC, NOT!!

    2. avatar jwm says:

      It is also possible that the snow melts in the crucible of boot camp. That they learn to stand straight and for the first time in their lives earn some real pride. Some will fail. To their everlasting shame. But more will succeed. And they will be changed.

      I was.

      1. avatar Southern Cross says:

        And the washouts will claim veterans benefits for their PTSD from basic training.

        1. avatar Dennis says:

          Right in the 10 ring!👍

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Unless things have changed in the last 50 years you have to serve 6 mos active duty to qualify for bennies. Barring a real injury or death, of course.

        3. avatar Hannibal and the Elephants says:

          Or turn “Full Metal Jacket.”

      2. avatar former water walker says:

        Thanks for your service JWM.

  7. avatar Dennis says:

    From everything that’s happened there, I think the right thing to do would be to cancel Virginia!

    1. avatar Baldwin says:

      Not so fast there Slick. I’m still here and they can’t have my Virginia…and I will not comply!

      1. avatar Dennis says:

        Sorry bout that, I can relate! They’re doin the same thing to my home, they just keep breeding and immigrating till you’re outnumbered (kinda like locusts.)

  8. avatar Fiundagner says:

    Remind me again why we fought and bled for these idiots, why some of us gave their lives to let these monkey fluffers do this?

    1. avatar MarkinTex says:

      Oh, did you serve in World War 2? If not, how did you fight and bleed for anyone? In case you haven’t been paying attention for the last 50 years, our military’s foreign adventures haven’t been about protecting Americans, and they’ve made a bit of a mess of the world. Any hung ho American who has enlisted since the end of the draft has enabled and collaborated with that.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        Because mao and stalin would have played nice if the US stood down after ww2. Do you guys read off a script? Always the same unswerving line of shit.

        Is it any wonder Trump will get a second term?

        1. avatar MarkinTex says:

          @jwm “Because mao and stalin would have played nice if the US stood down after ww2”

          Oh, is that why we toppled democratically elected Mossadigh in Iran and installed the Shah in 1952, thus seeding the enmity of the Iranian people that would lead to the Islamic Revolution and Iran’s ongoing hostility toward the West, to keep Mao and Stalin playing nice?

          It that why we propped up the corrupt and repressive Diem regime (until he was no longer useful to us so we orchestrated a coup against him that allowed an equally repressive series of juntas to control South Vietnam), to keep Mao and Stalin in line? When the US OSS helped Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Minh defeat the Japanese in French Indochina at the end of World War 2, US officers found in Ho a man with a great respect for the US and an eagerness to work with the US in the postwar era. The OSS officers also felt it would be morally wrong to hand Indochina back to the French, and that Ho was the man to lead an independent Vietnam. The Vietnamese did not want to become a satellite of the Soviet Union, and they never trusted the Chinese, after centuries of being invaded by them. Indeed, the Chinese and Vietnamese would end up in armed conflict in the late 70s over Cambodia. We could have had a friendly unified Vietnam on the US side as early as the late 1950s that could have helped us stave off Soviet and Chinese influence in Southeast Asia, but instead we drove Hanoi reluctantly into an uneasy alliance with China and USSR out of necessity.

          Maybe pick up a history book now and then instead of spouting simplistic jingoism.

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Mark. pointing out what a nation has done wrong is easy. But doing that at the same time you deliberately ignore what we got right is dishonest. We engaged in many proxie skirmishes to maintain a balance against the communists powers. And it worked. Without needing a nuclear war.

          But my point stands. We emerged from ww2 as a superpower. Had we simply gone back to isolationism the world map would look drastically different now.

          Reading history books has obviously done you no good as you simply cherry pick facts unfavorable to the US and ignore the rest. You got an indoctrination. Not an education.

        3. avatar MarkinTex says:

          If someone said “every time you chastise a child for something they did wrong, you have to bring up something good they’ve done, too,” you salt-of-the-earth types would wail “that’s ridiculous, you’re coddling the little snowflake!” And you’d be right. But here you’re essentially saying the same thing, that unless I bring up something good the US has done every time I bring up something we have done wrong, I’m being “dishonest.”

          Our proxy skirmishes did not maintain the balance and prevent nuclear war, the nuclear deterrent, MAD, did that. What the proxy wars did was perpetuate instability in regions, most of which had already been destabilized by colonialism.We propped up despotic dictators who just happened to be friendly toward us in the moment, often to see them turn on us when that was convenient as well, all while often slaughtering and oppressing their own people, who then see us as complicit in their misery.

          When a conservative can’t refute the facts and knowledge someone else brings to a discussion, it’s an all-too-common yet cheap ploy to go after their education, accuse them of being “indoctrinated” instead of educated. The irony is this tactic is so shopworn, it betrays the reality that the user of the slur is simply parroting it, a common phrase he has been – dare I say – indoctrinated into shoehorning into discussions to deflect facts.

        4. avatar jwm says:

          Mark. It was our nukes and not our proxie wars? Who manned and maintained the nukes? Firefighters? Boy scouts?

          The military people you are so angry and jealous of made it possible for you and your family to live in peace and pursue your degrees and gave you the choice to decide to be a eco warrior.

          Are you so petty that you only come here on veterans day to knock vets? Or is your self worth so low that lashing out at others is your way of getting some ego boost?

      2. avatar Baldwin says:

        @MarkinTex,
        I have been paying attention for the last 50+ years. I served for over 25 of those years. Today is Veteran’s Day. Have you served? If you have, thank you for your service. You are entitled to your under-informed opinion but you really should learn more about our history.
        If you have not served, then while you are still entitled to your under-informed opinion, but you are also entitled to my undying contempt for your unwarranted, ungrateful, shallow disdain for our great country.

        1. avatar Dennis says:

          Very well said!👍

        2. avatar MarkinTex says:

          @Baldwin,
          If you’ll look to my response to jwm, you’ll see that I understand history just fine, a lot better than the average simple-minded flagwaver here. You calling my opinion “underinformed” is transparent and empty.

          So I take it you’re one of those who believes that being in the military is the only way one can serve, perpetuating the fetishization of the “warrior.” I served and continue to serve, first as a firefighter in my department’s hazmat response team, and then after getting my bachelors degree in environmental engineering and a masters in toxicology, doing remedial design on major projects including several Superfund sites. What have you done for the environment? Do I think that tacking environmental problems that threaten human health and the ecosystem is more honorable than being just another cog in a military machine that has been used to forward cynical and shortsighted US foreign policy? Yes, I do. Does that entitle me to feel “undying contempt” for your choice to be a cog in that machine instead of solving important problems like environmental degradation, or childhood cancer, or educational disparities in low socioeconomic communities? Maybe it does.

        3. avatar Dennis says:

          A “climate” warrior, who woulda thunk it!?

        4. avatar MarkinTex says:

          @Dennis
          “A ‘climate’ warrior, who woulda thunk it!?

          Are you really so simple-minded that all you know about the environmental field is “climate change”? Yeah, I guess that’s not so hard to believe. My work has nothing to do with climate change, I work in soil and groundwater remediation. But your jumping to a faulty conclusion without facts, and then using that conclusion and an a priori assumption about the legitimacy of climate science to take an ad hominem jibe at me just speaks volumes for the quality of what passes as “discourse” among you people here.

        5. avatar Dennis says:

          So tell us again, why are you wasting your precious time here? The only one you’re impressing is yourself.

        6. avatar Baldwin says:

          @MarkinTex,
          Being “in” the military is pretty much the only way you can “serve” in the military unless they have changed the rules lately. I don’t ever recall being just a cog in the machine. Cogs don’t survive. You weren’t there, you wouldn’t know.
          Firefighters are cool…but it is a way different calling, a very different level of commitment…not the same thing at all. Unless you are a full blown “volunteer” firefighter, you don’t serve. It’s the job you get paid to do. Job, not service. Not the same.

        7. avatar MarkinTex says:

          @Baldwin,
          He simply asked “Have you served?” not “Have you served in the military?” Serving in an organization is not an end in itself, serving a higher purpose is, serving your community, your country, your planet, that’s the point. Military service often obfuscates that important distinction. That’s not accident, it’s by design. The drilling, the uniforms, the esprit de corps, the emphasis on the exposure to physical risk, etc. The Wehrmacht and Waffen SS, Soviet soldiers, US soldiers at Wounded Knee, My Lai, Haditha, all believed they were serving their country, and thus serving a noble purpose. You don’t understand what I am saying about “cogs in the machine,” not at all.

          So firefighting is a job someone gets paid for, thus it can’t be “service,” that’s what you said. Are you going to claim Uncle Sam didn’t give you a regular paycheck, plus bennies, plus the promise of VA bennies after you got out, when you were in the military?

        8. avatar MarkinTex says:

          Wow, Dennis, you didn’t sound at all whiny and putout there.

        9. avatar Dennis says:

          Well, that’s the beauty of the internet. You can call me a semi educated gun nut and I can call you an over educated idiot. Guess history will determine which of us was right.

        10. avatar Baldwin says:

          @MarkinTex,
          Today is Veteran’s Day. I asked if you had served. Context…context. Pay attention.
          Hell yes, I made a living in the military. But in no way did that compensation measure up to what I gave, willingly gave day in and day out. It’s called commitment to a greater good. It’s called “service”.
          And you continue to earn my contempt for not acknowledging what our military has given and continues to give our country.

        11. avatar MarkinTex says:

          Yes, absolutely, context. Today is Veteran’s Day, and we’re talking about a Veteran’s Day commemoration, so it certainly is contextually timely to discuss the level of veneration for military service compared to other forms of service. In the 80s we as a nation started to come to terms with Vietnam, and took a look at how Vietnam vets were viewed and treated when they returned, and (partially fueled by myths like returning vets supposedly being spat upon), decided we should look upon service members more favorably. But in our zeal to atone for our treatment of Vietnam-era vets, we may be overcompensating. Every person in uniform is thanked for his service on airline flights, etc, without the thanker knowing that person’s MOS, service record, or whether he/she has been deployed. The word “hero” gets thrown around quite a lot. And remember in 2003 when anyone who questioned whether it was wise or justified to invade Iraq was accused of being un-American? Ooops. So I think our Armed Forces are not lacking for praise, and I also think, in the time of an all-volunteer military, it’s not totally out of bounds to talk about how people who chose to join the military help enable the government’s use of military force when it isn’t advisable or justified.

          Yeah, so you made a living in the military, and the compensation wasn’t the greatest. Same for firefighters, who are atrociously underpaid. And who are at high risk for later health risks like cancer, but have no VA benefits to help them.

          well, technically I have acknowledged what our military has and continues to do for our country, you’re just pissed that I’ve acknowledged the things you don’t want anyone acknowledging. And as for your contempt, well, I’ve got Barry imagining me in a princess dress and imagining the terrible things that he believes “will” happen to me, so your contempt is low on my radar. 🙂

        12. avatar Geoff "Run, Bloomie, run!" PR says:

          “My work has nothing to do with climate change, I work in soil and groundwater remediation.”

          ‘mark’, I’ve worked with those folks on a *daily* basis for a number of years. In particular, air and water sampling and assay. Getting my hands dirty. Something I doubt you have ever done.

          I’ve seen first-hand the way it is supposed to be, and the reality of how it actually is, in the world of EPA compliance… 😉

      3. avatar GS650G says:

        “Any hung ho American who has enlisted since the end of the draft has enabled and collaborated with that”

        And to think you were among those we swore to protect.

        1. avatar MarkinTex says:

          That may be what they indoctrinated you to believe you were doing, to make you feel good about yourself, but that isn’t actually what they were using you for.

        2. avatar jwm says:

          I get it now. markintex, who I never recall posting here before, shows up on veterans day to bash vets. He’s pissed because folks are ignoring him and praising others. His ego is bruised.

          Temper tantrums never change. From a 2 yo to a 90 yo.

  9. avatar FormerParatrooper says:

    How about a howitzer salute?

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      I’ll chip in for that!

      1. avatar Geoff "Run, Bloomie, run!" PR says:

        I’ll have to settle for a Tannerite “One BOOM salute”… 🙂

  10. avatar Dyspeptic Skeptic says:

    Sissies.

    Christ, What happened to the American man who participated in a D-Day invasion?

    Today we have sissified snowflakes instead of men.

    1. avatar Sue Swain says:

      So embarrassing! The left seems to have broken the traditions of the established millions of proud Americans. It is sickening to see our country being destroyed by this unleashed hate and ignorance. I hope God intervenes in destructive move by the Evil One. I pray that He exposes those who have been sucked up into the phony propaganda of the left. God have mercy please.

  11. avatar Randy Jones says:

    Give the left leaning liberals enough time and they will take down the American flag too. After all some bugger eating moron will feel it is offensive as they live off of our nation’s handouts.

    Sorry, tell those faint of heart to stay home and hide. In that home, in a land where they have freedoms only dreamed of in other countries because of the men and women we honor on Veteran’s day. If not for gun fire, this nation would not exist. If not for the sacrifice of so many Americans the freedoms so many enjoy in this world would be suppressed.

    First they try to destroy our history, then they try to discredit our military, before its over with you won’t have beer or Bourbon, it will be some weird little drink with fruit stuck in it… But they will have their safe space controlled by socialists.

    1. avatar D.T.O.M. says:

      Ok people all together, these are not “Liberals” they are Leftist, Regressives, Socialist, Marxist, and Communists.

      Root word of Liberal is LIBERTY.

      Know thy enemy/

  12. avatar D.J.U. says:

    We are raising a nation of snowflakes, and becoming an over sensitive too politicaly correct nation of people undermining the roots of this nation.
    I beleave in diversity and respect of other peoples feelings and beleave that there is a need to recognise them. But things like this are an overreaction due to things brought on by the same people who have in effect treated many of the people with bullying and isolation in society. These acts of violance that have sprang up are for the most part a huge screem for help that these overly sensitive people have chosen to ignore before they reach that point, and now want to blame on an intire population and diverse group of people who are exercising their constitutional rights to own firearms.
    I am a veteran, son of a veteran and this decision of the college just made me think that they are feeding the disrespect of these groups. These acts of violance perpetrated by the few are wrong, extreamly shocking but are in many ways pale in comparison to so many children and adults killed by drunk drivers, child neglect by social services in large cities and a long list of other social neglects of they aged and homeless. But we don’t see people and politician’s making an extended effort to stop these things. Cars alone kill more people every year and they havent taken them away from the masses. Booze is responsible for so many deaths they can’t track them all but it’s not illegal.
    I’m sorry for the rant but people need to keep raising these points to put it in its real perspectives and wake the public up.
    I say to all veteran’s today thankyou for your service to this great country

  13. avatar TonyL says:

    Not much surprises me these days…but this does, that they haven’y already started doing away with any cultural gun references. Not sure if the Patriot’s football team mascot still carries a musket? Think they used to fire fake muskets after a win or a big play, or something like that?

  14. avatar James Ivy says:

    Coming from a Virginian by birth, I’m glad to be born again in Alabama. Waa Hoo Waa no more 🙁 ROLL TIDE

  15. avatar Reason says:

    It will not be long before the left in this country are spitting and cursing at our veterans again.

  16. avatar PMinFL says:

    What they’re saying, but we can’t hear it because we don’t think like this, is please please protect me but don’t scare me with those dirty guns, I’m afraid of you.

  17. avatar M1Lou says:

    21 gun salute cancelled? Well if that is cancelled they should do the three volley salute instead. Problem solved!

    1. avatar Don Nelson says:

      Good on ye’. A “ 21-gun salute” and a “rifle volley salute” are not the same thing.

  18. avatar Shire-man says:

    SJWs: building community one segregation at a time.

  19. avatar former water walker says:

    😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😄😄😄😄…Twinks. BTW this past weekend I was in Morris,ILL on business and stopped in a gas station that appeared open.Lights on,doors locked and no sign of life. After banging on the door for awhile I started to leave and a Pakistani guy yelled “we’re open”! Thought he was getting robbed but just had to pee. He told me “it’s TRUMP’s fault”! “I worked 19 hours yesterday and can’t get a worker because everyone has a job”! Trump did it! BTW my son was hired on the spot Saturday and started his new job this morning. WINNING😄😄😄

    1. avatar Dennis says:

      Too much winning…..can’t stand it!🤪

  20. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    I like Tim’s comment at the top.

  21. avatar Vinny says:

    And those scary (sarq) M1A’s in the picture,, they have been outlawed in the Socialist State of Md. btw a good chance Va. will go ahead and outlaw these also,,, for the children (sarq) of course. As Ol Joe says because they hold hundreds of magazine clips.

  22. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

    Ahhh…..college in 21st century America…..those six to seven years of feelings-validating, microaggression-dodging, debt-accummulating daze en route to a degree in something social justice-y and one’s first of many street corner, sign twirling jobs.

  23. avatar G. Robert Jones says:

    If today’s students can recieve “irreparable psychic damage” from gunfire, imagine what happens if one of them listens to the 1812 Overture or watches fireworks, or has a car accident? Marred for life. This wimpish society won’t last 10 more years. Some aggressor is going to walk in and say boo, and our intelligensia and their little lackeys will surrender.

    Never been more dissappointed in my University. You people don’t deserve to inherit Jefferson’s masterpiece.

    1. avatar Mister Fleas says:

      “If today’s students can recieve “irreparable psychic damage” from gunfire, imagine what happens if one of them listens to the 1812 Overture or watches fireworks, or has a car accident?”

      Supremely unlikely anyone was triggered by the 21-gun salute: rather, it was excuse for college Leftists to do something they wished to do.

      Look at all the media that contains gunfire, is that triggering PTSD symptoms for these weak people?

    2. avatar Casey says:

      See, you say that, but I have already had one city cancel 4th of July fireworks out of “respect” for “veterans” because “PTSD”.

  24. avatar GunnyGene says:

    A thousand years from now, future archeologists will be digging thru the ruins of this once great nation, and trying to puzzle out what caused it to collapse in the early 21st century.

  25. avatar jros says:

    FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK!

    *jazz hands*

    WE SALUTE YOUUU!

    1. avatar VicRattlehead says:

      Oh man! I about wet myself! 🤣😂🤣

  26. avatar Overshoe says:

    Somebody better check Washington’s grave at Mt Vernon to be sure it isn’t on fire from his spinning…

    The whole world is turning into a bunch of pussies…

  27. avatar ChoseDeath says:

    🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
    🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
    🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

    All I have to say to that.

  28. avatar Ralph says:

    The Provost wrote: “As the son of a father who served in the Navy during the Korean War . . . .”

    Translation: “I never served anything but myself, and besides, I was always a mama’s boy.”

  29. avatar Dave Lewis says:

    He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
    Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam’d,
    And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
    He that shall live this day, and see old age,
    Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
    And say “To-morrow is Saint Crispian.”
    Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
    And say “These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.”
    Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
    But he’ll remember, with advantages,
    What feats he did that day.

    We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
    For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition;
    And gentlemen in England now a-bed
    Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

    Henry V, act IV, scene iii

    Remembering and honoring the feats that they did. God bless all of my brothers and sisters who served. Its so sad to see that the divide between that small band of brothers and the so called elite grows bigger every day.

    1. avatar ChoseDeath says:

      That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing with us.

  30. avatar Richard R6 says:

    Discusting that the students run this hollowed institution. Our forefathers are doing back flips. Note to the administrators, grow a set.

  31. avatar M says:

    Bunch of whiney ignorant Liberals. That’s not what this is about. Peace will not come to those who turn their backs.

  32. avatar Sandy Ferguson says:

    People need to quit being Wimps this sorta BS is just the beginnings of these morons (TRYING) to confiscate our guns . Wake Up people!

  33. avatar Don Nelson says:

    What’s shown is a “three-volley rifle salute,” not a ”21-gun salute.” The military doesn’t confuse guns with rifles. “Twenty-one gun salutes” are for honoring heads of state and use naval guns or artillery, while the rifle salutes are most commonly performed at military funerals.

    If we don’t use the right terms, it’s hard to damn the other side for confusing clips and magazines, etc.

    1. avatar RCC says:

      Don
      Thanks was just writing the same thing.
      Depending on country 21 gun for head of state and 15 or 17 for dukes, state governors etc

      Army reserve band did 1812 overture with C4 for cannon fire effect at end of a concert back in the early 1980’s. Can’t imagine that happening now.

      1. avatar SoBe says:

        I attended a performance, with real brass cannon, of the1812 Overture in Virginia by the Israeli Philharmonic.
        In fact I have never been at a performance of this piece where cannon were not used.

  34. avatar Hannibal says:

    “As the son of a father who served (and of course I didn’t serve myself)… I am going to shit all over his memory while using it as a shield.” – Jim Ryan

  35. avatar James Curtis says:

    Hey UVA, this is why there’s a 21-gun salute. Real men and women gave the ultimate sacrifice for you and the greatest country on earth. Your marginalizing of this tradition as being remotely relevant to gun violence is a textbook definition of what has gone wrong in our country. I am a veteran. What you have done is an insult to every man and woman who has ever worn a uniform.
    Take a look at what real sacrifice is:

    https://www.facebook.com/cliff.lyle/videos/3034273169922958/

  36. avatar possum says:

    No twenty one gunm salute, so scream across the sky with twenty one F-105:s breaking the sound barrier. Put that in your pipe and smoke it

  37. Are YOU sure this was a report about a university down South?! Sounds more like a Colleges here in M Assachusetts… This is the state that the state house (DemoTARDs & RINOs) placed trigger-locks on all of the old muskets that were walled mounted for historical display….

    1. avatar Dennis says:

      Ya know, as recently as twenty years ago, the image of that would’ve been hilarious. Now…..sadly it doesnt even raise an eyebrow.

  38. avatar Hankus says:

    They must now remove firearms from their police departments and National Guard units in order to maintain equality.

    1. avatar Dave says:

      Good. If peasants can’t keep and bear those arms in that jurisdiction, then knights and kings shouldn’t either.

  39. avatar GS650G says:

    Cross another school off my kids list.

  40. avatar Charles P says:

    I have to agree with the response from another person: nice job of marginalizing the rest of the students and alumni by removing a tradition over a decade old. I wouldn’t send either of my sons there now.

  41. avatar Rick says:

    Well, this is a load of HORSE SHIT and I’m sick and tire of these Liberal assclowns make the executive decisions for PATRIOTS because their Vagina hurts. Well, let me be the first too say that I will not continue to watch these Communist and Socialists destroy our country and taking away our freedoms too celebrated an amazing Holiday for our VETERANS. Here’s a thought, PLEASE LEAVE MY COUNTRY… LIKE NOW.

  42. avatar Sam Hill says:

    This is one veteran who is certainly glad they canceled the salute. I don’t want to be saluted by communists sympathizers and collaborators. I pity the young who know no better and I curse the old farts who do and still lead the children to the slaughter. Go wring out your panties a coal truck backfired on a mountain top over in West by God Virginia.

  43. Not that any of these Va students would have enough culture to attend a classical performance, but I just had a a vision of them crapping their pants at a performance of “The Year 1812 Solemn Overture,” festival overture in E♭ major, Op. 49 by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky.
    https://youtu.be/0F5k70xwGSk

  44. avatar Joe Lovell says:

    It is not ….N…O….T…a 21-gun salute. It is three volleys. Why is it so hard for people to get that right?

    That said, effin’ morons..

  45. avatar Raymond Lincourt says:

    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep…”

    May you find it amazing that those that gave all can be forgotten and thrown away. This nation has choosen to forget and to allow the fiber of this nation to come apart at the seems. May we see the need to never forget, to seek God and to always honor those that gave by taking an oath that never expires.

  46. avatar george lortz says:

    maybe, assuming these snowflakes know how to read, put notices campus wide, informing the wusses that at such and such a time, on a certain date, there will be a volley of 21 guns firing a salute to our veterans. ‘You have been warned’ if they complain, or protest, F ’em.

  47. avatar possum says:

    How about 21 one soldiers point their middle finger at the sky and yell “**BANG**”

  48. avatar TUCKER W says:

    It looks like the saying that came up when VMI started to admit women never materialized.
    Women at VMI ?? Whats next men at UVA?
    A once great institution is now nothing more than a leftist cesspool of indoctrination churning out spineless jellyfish.
    Sad.

  49. avatar Yoda says:

    What other traditions?

  50. avatar David Bonetti says:

    I sure as hell would not send my children and would tell my friends not to send their children to a university with no backbone and run by a bunch of liberal, socialist dipshits.

  51. avatar Clifton Palmer McLendon says:

    I am amazed that bleeding-heart knee-jerk liberal crybaby pantywaists are out in public — let alone at a university — rather than cowering in their parents’ basements, sucking on their binkies and crying for their diapers to be changed.

    I am even more surprised that the university caters to them.

    Crybabies and enablers alike all need a good switching.

  52. avatar Clifton Palmer McLendon says:

    ALWAYS honor the military and veterans.

    If you disagree with — or have anything but a positive opinion of — anything the military has done, is doing, or ever will do, blame the politicians. They are the ones who stir up trouble, then send the military to sort it out.

  53. avatar James Campbell says:

    The herd of sheeple grows larger with every passing day.

  54. avatar MM1 AJ Brant says:

    Tell ALL the whiners to pull up their big girl pants and get over it

  55. avatar BHN says:

    As a UVA alum and ROTC grad, I am incensed. Announce when and what is going on and honor our armed forces. I thought Theresa Sullivan was bad, Ryan may be worse. I am embarrassed for, and ashamed of, my alma mater.

  56. avatar James Wright says:

    This is idiotic for sure! I’m glad my boys are way beyond college before it became so liberal left wing snowflakes with most professors being Democratic Far left as well! What a shame that our kids are getting brainwashed for four years or more and have no idea what is really going on when they get out! They really have no idea how socialism works and down the road full Communism is lurking! Scary to even think about it!

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