The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) once raided one of our readers: a kitchen table FFL dealer who does everything – everything – by the book. He has, however, consistently criticized the ATF for its unconstitutional regulations and long history of extra-legal activities. This is his story. Update to follow, after he consults with his lawyer . . .
First of all, forget about them coming to the door. They’ll intercept you on your way home from the doctor’s office (for example), then one vehicle will come up behind you and two will block your way in front and turn on the flashing lights. They then jump out with ‘real’ assault rifles, point them at you and ordering you to put your hands up and exit the vehicle.
You, being a law abiding citizen, will comply. At gunpoint, they order you to assume the position against your car, handcuff and frisk you, and you’re directed to get into the back seat. Then the lead agent gets into the driver seat and drives your car to your driveway. You sit there with cuffed hands behind you – bleeding.
As multiple vehicles close off the street and announce over a loudspeaker that all of your neighbors should remain indoors (they’re prohibited from leaving). The lead agent calls your house and directs your wife to come out – and sit in the front seat. She does. Then the Homeland Security Special Tactical Unit, and the county sheriff SWAT Team arrive, and drive two armored cars over the curb onto the lawn, as the “jackbooted thugs” with machine guns, helmets, boots, camo, etc. enter and search your house.
You see a Homeland Security helicopter circling overhead. You are asked if you have any explosives (well, several cans of black powder….) and if there are any booby traps in the house. They offer to let you read the search warrant, but your hands are cuffed behind your back. The agent in your car reads it very quickly.
After the jackbooted thugs are through, teams arrive to search and ransack the house. After about an hour, you are released and NO CHARGES are filed against you. You are required to stay beyond the perimeter as they set up tables in your yard and begin to paw through and process your worldly possessions.
You finally realize that they’re going to keep an eye on you, but you go to a neighbor’s house to make phone calls and find a good lawyer, who arrives on site, but is kept out by the agents. The agents search one of your cars and release it to you. Hours later, knowing there is nothing you can do on site, you leave and arrange a motel for the night.
Later, about 9PM (12 hours later), you phone your house and an agent answers. He advises you they’re about to leave. You drive to your house to see four feds in your front yard, ready to leave. They tell you they don’t know where the house key is (which you gave them) or where your cat is. They hand you a copy of the search warrant, but fail to provide a copy of the inventory (which they give you two days later).
You examine your house. Your computers are gone along with every extra and old hard drive, all data CDs, floppies, thumb drives, compact flash drives, and other SD drives for your camera. But most shocking, is that your entire gun collection, which you spent a lifetime building, is gone.
Antique guns, airguns, non-guns. Virtually everything. One antique shotgun lies broken on the floor. Papers are strewn everywhere. Once they looked at it, and didn’t want it, they just tossed it aside. Piles of paper. The house is trashed – every room. Your clothing has been ransacked. Your wife’s clothing and underwear. You don’t even know what is missing. You look around, feel sick, lock up the house and go to the motel.
You return the next day to try to start to get things back in order, but realize it will take weeks.
Later, you find out that the affidavit which justified the search warrant is sealed. You can’t even find out why they searched you home and seized your firearms.
A few days later, the sworn affidavit is unsealed and you find out that the agent lied repeatedly, told half-truths, speculated about possible violations, and related his ‘suspicions’ with no basis in fact. That the search warrant is nothing more than a gigantic fishing expedition just to see what they could find . . .
Its your site, do what you want with it. I personally find it very annoying and the X to close the ad isn’t showing up. I’ve never clicked on an ad from a web site and probably never will. I’ll just spend my time on a different gun blog if it annoys me…which it does, especially when i see O’s face down there.
I gotta say the ad is pretty obtrusive. I visit this site 99% of the time on my tablet (ipad mini) and it takes up quite a bit of screen real estate. If there is no way to disable the ad I will probably just start visiting here once a day on my PC that is running an ad-blocker, instead of multiple times a day on my tablet.
Make sure the X is easy hit on a touch screen. About 85% of my time spent reading is on an iPad or iPhone. There’s nothing worst than chasing those microscopic X’s with my big ole fingers. Most of the time I miss and get redirected to BFE. (first world problems)
Don’t worry, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”
I do not even have words for this…
Can you file a lawsuit? What can even be done about stuff like this?
hahaha, what can be done? Keep a bottle of Astroglide on hand in case them decide to come back a second time.
RF, you’re spending a lot of your own money on this site…
Time to get some back!
I can put up with this little bit of “annoyance”!
agreed, what kind of action can you take after something like this? what’s the process look like for trying to get back your legally owned guns and other property?
also…. any chance we get to know which reader and what state? just curious
This…. I’ve seen this before…
If it pays the bills I have no problem with it.
To the FFL gentleman whose house was raided: I am very sorry to learn about the personal experience you had and what you must be going through. I am disgusted and angered as to what it represents for America’s present and future.
To Robert, I would video tape everything of importance to you in your home and leave a copy of it somewhere else.
+2 on this. This is incentive (if nothing else for homeowners insurance purposes in case of fire, flood, tornado etc.) to do a photographic and detailed inventory of your household.
More reason to own acreage and cache accordingly.
I gotta say this ad is INCREDIBLY annoying. Like annoying enough for me to install AdBlock or whip up a greasemonkey filter to remove it. I browse the Web in a small-ish window (1024×768 secondary monitor used only for surfing) and it takes up a LOT of screen real estate.
What I would not mind- have a ‘hide this ad’ button as well as a ‘hide this ad for good’ button. You can try a beg-out (this ad provides us with significant revenue which helps us run the site. are you sure?) but there should be a way to permanently get rid of it for those who find it obtrusive.
I would also tolerate a ‘show me this ad once per day’ option, as long as the second page I read or reload the first page and it goes away.
I doubt he will ask his security team to arm themselves with muskets. What a gravy breath fat ass.
What the…I don’t even…
This is despicable and yet unsurprising. We do live in a police state and have for quite some time. The populace is given enough bread and circuses to keep them fat and distracted while the statists in government keep moving their agenda forward. For our safety, of course.
Every American is a felon. The average American commits 3 felonies every day.
They can come for you any time they want. All they ahve to do is catch you.
I can’t stand it. I immediately noticed it and found it obtrusive. I recognize that this website’s content is free to me and that ad revenue effectively you to provide that content, but I do not traffic websites who’s advertising is too “in your face.” I do not, however, mind the more subtle advertising that has always been shown in the sidebar of the page.
I don’t mind the ad per se, but it would be nice if there was a page break or some kind of frame between it and the text we are reading. It also made the pages render strangely on my iPad.
This is sad. I am sorry any law abiding person has to deal with this. This is something that I would expect from a third world country. Very sad
Is it really worth living in a state like that, where that can happen to any one of us? Our Founders thought it was not and decided to take action against it. They would rather have died fighting against it than living under it. I do seriously wonder at what stage this nation is. Our politicians do not seem to be listening to us at all. What is next?
The ad makes my crappy computer at work go even slower.
Oh, and FYI, I’m seeing two ads. One is locked to the bottom of the screen, and one is tied to the bottom of the page itself and scrolls with the page. So right now (scrolled all the way to the bottom) I’m seeing a full-sized TransUnion ad (screen locked) overlaid about 90% on top of a State Farm ad that I can only see the top 1/4″ of. I only know it’s State Farm because it has a tiny SF symbol in that top 1/4″.
I hate it. I turn my speakers off because of the autoplay ads in your side bar, why cant this go over there to be ignored. Eventually I’ll stop reading anyting other than the first post because the ad doesnt pop up until I scroll.
Presuming his innocence in the American tradition, this guy and his attorney stand to make some money. I believe a Bivens action is the federal counterpart to § 1983 suits against state law enforcement for violation of civil rights. Where’s the ACLU when you need them?
What’s the wait time for a concealed Chiguagua permit?
I assume in NY I can’t carry more than seven. With my luck, some criminal will attack me with his illegal 10 Chiguagua’s. Another law abiding citizen out Chiguaguaed.
Good Grief! Is there no end to the stupidity of the pro-confiscation spokespeople?
They now defend themselves from being accused of defending themselves.
Insanity
Ads in the right margin — no problem. They don’t interfer with reading posts, and I can click on them if they interest me.
Adding the X is a good move. A better move would be to eliminate your new addition.
any chance the ad can ‘dim’ after a few moments (similar to youtube)? that would be my only .02
yak yak bark bark—-just do it. Arrest Feinstein and the constitutional abusers for treason.
Abobe moved to Colorado(LOL)the state that arrests without bail or warranby judges prosecutors immune from wrongdoing under the “full immunities”
A state lawyer watchdog department that says yes-Mr Doe was arrested with false evdence and testimony-but thats a typical pattern nowadays—so its OK for
them to do that. A district court judge who brags that the Constitution does not
apply–my law only—thank you judge(?)Barton
Is this the same incident?
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/feds-seized-nearly-1500-guns-in-raid
I don’t understand why anyone who knows they are dealing with one of the most high profile events we are likely to see nationwide for the entire decade, knows they are using an unencrypted radio where citizens and media are easily able to listen in on transmissions, would then broadcast anything using the word “burners,” the phrase “like we talked about” in relation to anything called burners when there’s a chance something might catch fire, or anything even approaching “burn this (expletive deleted) house down.”
I’m not trying to advocate any kind of conspiracy theory. I’m just saying it’s an incredibly stupid thing to say in the clear. And if true, which some of the readers here apparently heard themselves, then it’s likely going to cause some city or county to pay dearly in court.
They havent confirmed him dead yet? Who was it in the cabin then?
The ad sucks. Why not just have adds follow you down on the sides? or just more side ads?
Anyways, ads that block reading material suck, and it’s making TTAG feel sucky and cheap.
ads pay the bills.
i don’t like them, i’d like to be able to make them go away, but i can’t.
oh well.
actually, that “captcha” thing is way more annoying.
The ad implementation is clunky in my chrome browser. I don’t mind it as I have google ads tailored to what I like. I’ve actually found some neat stuff from them. An x would be nice so I can read the entire screen.
Backwards Eotech??
Since the ammo shortage has freed up some working capital, I’ve been using my C&R license to buy some great, historic rifles. So, just coincidentally, I went to this dealer’s site and found out that he’d been busted for absolutely nothing. It’s a perfect example of why your government cannot be trusted and why it is more dangerous than any street gang or home invader.
Shame on America.
As long as I can close it, pause it or mute it I’m OK with ads generally. Just no ads that can’t be dealt with somehow.
in case you haven’t thought of it, this is how dorner’s are born
i read his manifesto and with what starts out as coherent documented/explained injustices and circumstances does take a twist into questioning his sanity
if this was done to you, how long would you remain sane? how long before they pushed you too far?
if you didn’t have a family, a deep sense of faith would an action like the one described above push you for personal vengence?
as i said this is how dorner’s are born
Well, except for the fact that Dorner was one of the Jackboots if his manifesto is correct. But otherwise, yeah, I agree.
Now if Only Glock would do the same in new york state
Wonder how something like this would go down inside a jurisdiction where the Sheriff was one of those who publicly stated that he would arrest ANY federal agent who violated a citizen’s Second Amendment rights?
The ATF doesn’t mess around when they suspect that someone is stealing their customers. Who knows what would have happened if he turned out to NOT be a law-abiding citizen?!?!
If this guy thinks its over he is a fool. They have all the time in the world. He and his family will be harassed for the rest of their lives. Wife, kids, everyone. Sad.
i see plenty of room right here ———————->
for ads. the more comments, the more the ads.
The teddy bear on the mantle makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. 🙂
Not giving you shit, Mr. Chad Greenlee, just poking some fun.
Nice, a heavy barrel, Rock river?
There are ads at the bottom of the page?
There are a host of extensions / plugins for Firefox and Chrome that do an effective job of disabling or blockin ads – Adblock and Adblock Plus being the most popular.
I believe he’s running the EOTech look-alike SightMark…it mounts in the opposite direction, yet looks very similar.
Imagine Michael Moore and Chris Christie doing lunch together. Scary, right?
That Dorner guy was not going to be taken into custody, peacefully or otherwise. The only way he was going to taken in was in the back of a meat wagon. It was his call. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, and he got his wish.
I get pissed off at cops when they abuse innocent people, which they do all too often. When they take down an actual bad guy once or twice every century, I’m fine with that.
I heard that when Dorner popped his head out of the cabin, he saw his shadow. That that mean six more weeks of winter?
How about asking the people in new york or chicago if they want to defend themselves instead of being a victim?
+1 woo-hoo, my man. nicely said, silver tongue 🙂
Hey, Brits — how does royal @ss taste? You’ve been kissing it for so long, you’ve forgotten how freedom smells. It smells like smokeless powder.
While welcome, I think it’s main effect will be symbolic at best. Don’t forget, ultimately the manufacturers must get “permission” from the state to exist and they must adhere to the state regularization boundaries of operation. The government has the whip hand and unless we get a lot of support from reps at all levels of governance we will lose, incrementally, but we will lose. EOs are the bypass of the three branch checks and balances required to keep political actions within the confines of controllable chaos. Toss in 2 or so appointments to the SCOTUS and the plot thickens. UN treaties could, at some point, become involved. I’m not giving up, but our work is more than cut out for us.
I’m sorry and why do we care what the Brits think?
Don’t listen to the media anyways because I guarantee the Brits would like to have guns.
“When I was on SWAT our view is that “We will always win….even if we have to burn down your entire house by bombing it….we will win”. Period.’
Gabe Suarez.
I wonder if Big Al and J.J. are on their way to LA LA land……
Well, when the police do it, that means that it is not illegal.
I have an ex-cop friend who confirmed that at least around where we live, “burners” are slang for the tear gas canisters that purposely become extremely hot when fired. They are designed for riot use so that rioters cannot pick them up and throw them back at the police (they are too hot to touch). The reason the police have the other, normal kind of gas canisters is “burners” set buildings on fire and they are not intended for use in buildings. . . .
Good Good that was pure logic. He should be the next Black President.
As for Obama and CA Law Enforcement
Sam L Jackson says it best on Die Hard 3
“I dont like you (Obama, LAPD), because your going to get me killed!!!!!”
Okay, England has some redeeming qualities and as a legacy/offshoot British State they have influenced our culture.
That having been said, England can bl0w me. If their way of doing things was so f*cking great, then the 50% of the world they raped… errr… colonized wouldn’t be the throng of massively f*cked up nations that it is today. Granted, they share that responsibility with other European nations and they are not the worst offender of the bunch. However, our way of doing things is *just fine,* so thanks for all the advice but no thanks. We didn’t need your statist bullsh*t in the eighteenth century and we certainly don’t need it now. Furthermore, you can quote any statistic about safety you like. English cities are wretched hives of scum and villainy with catastrophic violent crime rates. Criminals can happily prey upon the English people with little or no fear that they will be resisted with force. If you limes are happy living that way then, by all means, be my guest. It is not my place to dictate to you what natural rights you should or should not be demanding. Similarly, it is not your f*cking place to dictate to Americans (who gladly threw off your shackles a long time ago) what natural rights we should have.
If I were one of the limey statist pr1cks that is SO concerned about American guns, I would take a DEEP, hard look at my own culture… and tend to it. Or to the hundreds of cultures you’ve destroyed across this planet. Leave us the f*ck alone before we punch you in the nose. Again.
http://www.policeone.com/standoff/articles/6119022-Police-heard-trying-to-burn-out-Dorner-during-shootout/
They also left their mics open and can be heard laughing at the house burning after.
The vast majority of Brits are NOT elitists. What they are, is SHEEPLE.
“Because in the two months since Newtown, more than a thousand birthdays, graduations, and anniversaries have been stolen from our lives by a bullet from a gun.”
Wow. That must be some bullet.
Good viddy. Now, if this was Bob Costas instead of Chris Costa, that would be epic.
I see your M60, and raise you another Magpul Dynamics instructor running a .50:
http://soldiersystems.net/2013/02/13/magpul-dynamics-steve-fisher-shoots-modified-vtac-1-5-drill-w-barrett-m107-50/#comments
As always, I love this guy’s stuff!!!
I was taught along time ago in college that any time you hear the words “for the children” beware. It is so true. What is a “High Capacity Magazine”. New York thinks 8 rounds is to many. So by trying to ban “high capacity magazines” they have also purposely included almost every pistol magazine. Please contact your Senators, Congressmen and local officials and let your voice be heard.
This IS nazi Germany. Just accept it and move on. I didn’t say give up, I said accept that we are full blown nazi Germany in every way. Multiple gestapo agencies, no rule of law, total unaccountability for government especially the federal entity. Obama is not the fuhrer he’s a puppet of the secretive fuhrers, just as bush was. Now that doesn’t excuse obama or bush for allowing these differing federal takeovers during their administrations and pushing them, but you must understand that this was decades in the making and your congresswomen are mostly powerless. What operates behind the scenes is the REAL power and controls these people. The “patriot” acts were written years in advance and that’s just the beginning. When you get around to finally accepting that 9/11 was an inside job, you will have read dozens more accounts like this one about the DHS gestapo. 9/11 was the “burning of the reichstag.” I don’t want to say we’re doomed, but we partially are. It’s time to stop being afraid to speak the truth and teach your neighbors and friends the truth. This is more than mere conspiracy, this is a full blown system of power that you allowed to grow behind the scenes for DECADES at the federal level (facilitated by an endless drug war that you allowed, which laid the foundation for the tyranny we’re reading about today). The gestapo came for the pot smokers and you didn’t have a problem with that. The DEA kicked in the doors of various drug users and you cheered. Now enjoy, because it’s entrenched.
This suddenly reminded me of the Derek Zoolander School for Kids Who Can’t Read Good (And Who Want to Learn to Do Other Things Good Too).
I can just picture Big O berating his PR people in the Oval Office… “What is this, a list made for ants?? It has to be at least…three times this big!”
So, this is my 1st post here and I’d like to say something about all of this. Now, am I correct in assuming that both ATF/DHS are LEO agencies correct? Albeit federal agencies but still law enforcement right? If so, then fine. Next is that we can all safely assume that these agents read these types of websites and posts and they probably have departments inside theses agencies that dedicate to spying on American’s and posing as false patriot’s and pro-2nd Amendment citizens. It doesn’t surprise me one bit that one of the readers had his Constitutional rights violated either. They do this everyday! They’ve been doing it for as long as they’ve been in power. Same deal with local and state LEO. I tend to be more favorable of the more local and state police efforts in what they do usually but now it’s more of an issue of there really are only a few “good” cops out today. Most police officers (same with federal agents) aren’t interested in doing what’s right. They’re only interested in doing what they’re set out to do by the policies and laws set forth that are written by men and judges. We have a whole system full of corrupt laws meant to enslave us which BTW affects cops since they’re citizens too. The way I see this is that law enforcement isn’t really even a Constitutional order of force either. But we have so many agencies now, it’s insane. Furthermore, I view police departments and especially federal agencies (both with arrest/non-arrest powers) as nothing more than private armies meant to keep The People held down and restrained so that the government/bureaucrats can continue to reek havoc on our Flag, Constitution and Land. Is that a crazy notion to think that way? No, not really. On it’s face it may seem so but all one has to do is look around, research our nation’s history and even research the history of mankind to know that this has happened in many many nations long before America showed up.
The Leftist Brigade has taken a strong hold of our nation today. It’s not by accident either. It’s all a design to hold us down so they can invent and create situations that will further hold us down to the point that eventually, we will be defenseless and armed with not even a shoelace. I find this not especially special, since other nations have done the same thing. What I find special about our current situation is that we are a Republic with a very specific set of decrees, protections & Laws set by our Constitution/Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and other unique documents which give the wisdom and strength for a great nation to thrive by, unlike any other nation to ever exist. ALL laws are supposed to conform to our Constitution, but as we all know, that is not what is happening. We have instead a nation full of plunderers and rapists (not necessarily sexual in nature as far as our government is concerned) of The People and our power.
See, were a Republic, which most forget, and The People are supposed to have The Power that our documents further provide for and protect us with. We sit here and keep twiddling our thumbs either by fear or ignorance. The broad powers of the federal and even our state governments is NOT what our Founding Father’s intended for us. We have allowed ourselves to become disillusioned with grandeur and spices to pacify us as they continue enacting more laws/regulations on The People and we are getting angrier too. NO government or military, no matter how powerful it is, can sustain forever by enslaving The People. I speak in reference to this nation. America was founded by men who were much wiser than the crop of politicians in power today. Most anyway. We are born with certain rights as humans that they saw as important and they further protected and ensured our way of life by introducing the most moving pieces of documents in our recent history. America was founded by patriots who wanted religious freedom and after some time, the colonists became angrier and angrier with the Britain and their laws and rules. Eventually war broke out and it raged on for a few years. American’s conquered the British and we have endured quite awhile, longer than most great nations would.
The government can’t do this forever and the time is revealing to us why this can’t be. The government thinks that it can barge into a citizens home without cause and take everything that man has without just cause. It happens all the time. Until The People wake up enough to start fighting back, agencies like the DHS/ATF will continue to march on with impunity and no fear of a citizen(s) fighting back. The 2nd Amendment provides us with documented ability to fight back and over-turn tyranny all over it’s ugly face. Until American patriot’s begin to do this and consistently, our government will continue to walk all over us without regard for our Constitution and our liberties as men/women. As for me and my house, God is my protector ultimately and my rifles are my tools to further protect my home and my family/life. My rifle is my best friend, my lover and part of my strength. To forsake my rifle willingly to tyranny is like me losing my rifle in combat. It won’t happen. I am thankful to have served as a grunt for this country and it further gives me my inner strength to defend liberty here at Home and to encourage other patriot’s/American’s to wake the hell up and fast.
Thanks for letting me post,
Matt
Love to see the M-60 in action one reason the SEAL never gave them in for a M-240 is that there are lighter and shorter far better for Spec Ops than the over sized M-240s are.
Very nice!!!
I am sure this will have a positive ending. 😉
What position was he in when this occurred? Did the gun just fly out of his holster and latch onto the circular magnet much like a… oh’ forget it.
You don’t pull the retained object in direct opposition to the magnetic field. That’s dangerous, not to mention difficult-to-impossible because of the exponential increases in field strength as you get close to the magnets.
The primary technique used is to slide the object at a shallow tangent to the magnetic fields, basically using the inclined-plane principle to slowly move it away from the magnets while keeping it fully supported. For large objects like a pistol, this will frequently require building a sturdy plywood structure to extend the sliding face beyond the edges of the MRI machine outer casing, and using some means of retention to keep the pistol from returning to the mothership.
“It may seem indelicate to ask, but shouldn’t the First Lady, the VP or some top Obama aide have attended Kyle’s funeral?”
Because:
1. Kyle had assassinated women and children during his tour.
2. He was a profiteer and a narcissist.
3. He broke the Navy Seals code of silence by penning a tell-all book.
4. His actions as a sniper did nothing to defend the freedom of Americans.
I agree the use of a whole car and its wheels can be OK cover BUT tactical know how you should not be exposed to fire when getting out of your car.
The more I learned about firearms, the more amazed I became at how little most people know about firearms, particularly scriptwriters. These cops might be watching too many movies and the camera operator is completely nuts to be sitting in glass and thin sheetmetal like that.
They were not “wrong at the time”, the goal has been a total ban all along, by increments.
A total ban is what they are working for today, no matter what they get now they will be back for more tomorrow.
So all Rahm Emanuel has to do is roll one of those MRIs right through the south side of Chicago, light it up and confiscate all the guns! Fire the cops and hire medical techs, and Obamacare pays for all of it! Brilliant!
And you thought the Affordable Care Act was just an unaffordable socialist power grab. He had our safety and best interests at heart all the time…you cynic!
He has done a surprisingly good job of late. Until recently he was an embarrassment. I’m not sure I would want to bet that he stays on the reservation.
It’s annoying and obtrusive.
Get rid of it.
“Speculations had been mounting over whether police had purposely started a fire to smoke out the suspect, but San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon told reporters Wednesday his deputies did not intentionally burn down the mountain.
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/13/police-say-no-body-has-yet-been-found-after-cabin-stronghold-fugitive-ex-cop/
He dies, he’s branded a nut case, and the story goes away. He stands trial, the case and his claims get endless air time.
Travis Haley makes everything seem so natural and easy. True sign of a person who’s mastered his craft. Respect!
Is this hosted anywhere else? I can’t get the stupid thing to load more than 4 seconds at a time.
RF if someone sunbstitutes “car” for “gun” and vice versa, it makes a excellent article AGAINST car insurance.
Just recently purchased a new Savage model 93 – 22 magnum. Love the gun but would not have bought it had I done a little research first. The clip is a very bad design and does not work properly. The first cartridge will not release from clip and be chambered. The clip is very awkward to install and uninstall. Now in reading reviews I find many , many same complaints. Just talked to Savage, most disappointing, I guess they are trained to get rid of customers. I simply asked if they were working on a new design that worked. She actually had the balls to tell me that Savage is not aware of any problem with the clip, and were not making any changes. Not aware my butt. Beware, don’t buy a Savage!!!
“but lots of doctors voted for Obama, so, maybe this is necessary.”
Here is one who didn’t vote for O’Dumbass. I, also, have never and will never ask that question.
Well you can be killed just as easy with a bat or a knife. In some parts of the world, weapons of war are still sticks and stones. I guess it all just depends at how you look at everyday household items now doesn’t it.
1. I have no problem with that. They should also include a background check on mental stability. If you have diagnosed with a serious mental disorder and have been placed in a crazy bin. You can not have a gun.
2. On the fence and really could care less about fully automatic firearms. I do not need one…someone will have to convince me.
3. Will not do any good.
4. Do you really need those bullets? If so, maybe a little paranoid.
5. I agree. Someone should not buy a firearm and give it to a criminal.
6. Reply, 7 less families that would of had a crappy Christmas.
7. Agree, but it is no worse than what Reagan did in the 80s.
8. One can purchase any gun anywhere and any age of the firearm. I am okay with that.
9. I would rather have well trained armed people (with non-deadly ammo) protecting our schools. Not okay with teachers being armed…they could snap on that one child that has been driving them nuts for years.
10. Rather the $20 million go to our debt instead of someone’s pocket who is running this data collecting.
11. All schools should have a lock-down procedure in place.
12. We have to figure out why the kids/adults are going nuts. The SHK should of not had access to any firearms. They should of been locked up.
Have to make dinner for the boys. Yes, I am a gun owner. Yes, I am liberal. I did not vote for Obama or Romney, but I did vote. I am a father of two boys. Yes, I have taught my boys what to do with firearms. I do believe that Obama has done great things for the Gun Industry (everything is pretty much flying off the shelves)…he truly is a corporate Democrat. And, everyone is feeding into the paranoia. Republicans and Bush are as much as fault with the Patriot Act and the secret laws they passed during his 8 years in office. Gun Industry is making bank off of the SHK. We should not support the gun/ammo corporations that are supplying firearms and ammo to any form of Government and support those that have canceled any Government’s orders.
Same story here, minus the felony. They lost my paperwork when I initially applied for my 03FFL and now they keep losing it as I try to update my new address.
we’ve been in a police-state since the day BO was first elected just now it has become very active … we will be fighting for our very lives my best guess 24 months or there about … BO’s marxists regime is in the making for a strong grab for power soon the scum just needs a few more months to put it all together. The USA is falling, we are falling, and I see “no power[s]” that are willing to stop it. We the people will have to one day but it’ll be brute force. My guns are buried in locations that the BO scum gangsters will not be able to find along with all the ammo and re-loading components as far as I’m concerned … I’m ready I am a combat trained Vietnam Veteran and I and those with me will NOT be easy to roll over no matter what I at least will fight back! Molon Labe Obama and the hoo’ ya rode in on!
Alright. So SLIGHTLY more articulate…
That is about as nice as I’ll get. The entire premise of this speech was BS. Did this moron really think saying that Obama mentioned nothing about the children would fly?
“Of course, what I’ve said tonight matters little if we don’t come together to protect our most precious resource, our children.”
Exact fu<king quote, but this moron must not have even watched the SOTU address.
Then completely ignored that in the 23 excecutive actions was included provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations, and provide funding for additional resource officers (ie. armed guards in school).
SOOOOOOO damn sick of NRA BS yellow journalism. Go screw and go home WLP.
Tired old argument. Guns were designed to kill blah blah blah.
Actually a gun is made to shoot a projectile. It doesn’t matter if it is a paper target, a deer or a human. It’s not designed to kill. Just like a knife is designed to cut. It doesn’t matter if it’s a piece of paper, a chicken or a human.
I don’t think they should have done this but when thinking about it they did not set the blaze to kill him. By burning the front and waiting at the back they were hoping he would exit the building (whether or not they would have shot him even if he came out unarmed is another questiom completely) He didn’t come out and instead killed himself, I don’t think this is the police attempting to kill him with the fire.
All of them are witches. Where is my bucket of water when I need it? http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/nancy-pelosi-wicked-witch-west-wizard-of-oz-im-melting-witch-melts-sad-hill-news2.jpg
If she broke the rules someone should start whatever punishment process is available- I’m hoping the gallows are an option.
Kudos to Magpul. But, I think Magpul should keep the pressure on and advocate that any magazine capacity limitation is not acceptable.
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What did CTD pay TTAG for this survey?
Wow!!!!!!!
Charles is the man! Weep yes. Weep that the politicians haven’t been arrested for their acts. Weep that many LEO’s feel this way and are now in conflict with the law. Weep that we are seeing laws like this pop up in many states across the Republic. Weep yes, but disillusioned no. We will fight and we will win.
The article states that the pistol grip allows for easier shooting….to me it would seem that the standard rifle stock would be more ergonomic for “indiscriminate” hip shooting.
The agent that survived the shoot out states that they are basically identical, and equally “dangerous”. Those on our side would use this to further our argument that the proposed ban and it’s “generous” exemptions is ridiculous. The antis will see it as not restricting enough.
We that are informed on the function of these firearms all know that all the Mini series function the same as an evil AR (semi-auto, .223 chambering), and repeatedly pointing that out to each other will do nothing to inform and sway opinions of those that are naive, or otherwise on the fence about gun issues. I’ve been talking to coworkers over the past two months(most of them are hunters). Now I get calls during the day from guys wanting to tell me about the letter they sent, or voicemail they left for their reps. We need to bring the folks that would otherwise remain silent into our cause, as eventually it will affect all gun owners. It’s pretty cool that after explaining the facts, and how easy it is to contact their reps, they are willing to have their voices heard. I have to think at some level, everyone’s voice can help, but not until people speak up..
He should make a music video for this song. When he talks about them only hitting bulls eyes and never missing he can show lots of images where cops have injured and killed innocent bystanders. The old lady that was mistaken for Dorner comes to mind.
one thing I like about this site. Examples of good and bad. fair & balanced. I find myself coming here more and more for information
If he or she is an ex-marine (hell, if they have any experience with firearms, schooling, or interaction with other members of society) then Obama just got inpeached and Ted Nugent replaced him as pres for the next 3 years of the term.
Also, see there are mindless idiots who make their side look so much worse on the anti gun side. Now we just need a pro-gun news guy (Stossel) to get whoever this ex-marine is on an interview program so he can do this same rant.
I suppose the Governor will volunteer to confiscate them himself?
I have gun owner friends in MD that voted for Obama so they earned this.
As to resolution, 1080p is a pain to work with on most computers and a space hog. A good 720p is much better for the home video editor.
Its like we are living in some twisted version of the Twilight Zone as gun owners. Whenever I think things have reached the peak of insanity up comes another monumental nutbag. The thing that scares me, really scares me, is these insane nutcases are in positions of power. Please make this episode end soon so we can get back to something close to normal. I ‘ll even watch the commercials.
We need to band together as brothers like our forfathers did. Its out and out tyranny at its best..gun laws and restrictions protect noone. if you register they will take them away. We need civil disobedience as a whole. We need to remember who voted for this stuff and next year send them packing. And try to replace them with people who care about our rights like Kathy Marchione… We need people who will listen to and represent the people…I say out with every politician who has tried to advance his own agendas by following party lines…remember who they are or put a list come voting time . Send them back to the car wash.there not doing the job anyway..grass roots effort to get rid of these gun grabbing politicians..
Bruce,
I would have liked to have seen you touch on the argument made by antis that the gunnies abuse articles 29 & 46 of the Federalist Papers.
Specifically, the antis say that these articles DO NOT indicate 2A was in part constructed to create a political check against tyranny.
That said, now that I see the bullet point list, I think my hair has grown a few shades grayer…
And there are people who think we will someday live in a wonderful peaceful utopia. If only we eliminate all guns from existence. If only she didn’t have a gun, that guy would still be alive, unless she had a machette, chainsaw, axe, knife, baseball bat or rock.
I don’t believe in graffic violence in movies or games.I do believe in the Proverb”Raise up a child in the way he should go when he grows older he will not depart from it”Our children need to learn from parents of charachter and high morals and ethics, not violent movies or video games.Don’t get me wrong I am a vet. of the USMC and if you try to hurt me or my family or any innocent people around me, I will stop you by deadly force if I can.
And now we get this:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/10/living/guns-parenting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
In their ongoing culture war, the mainstream media now want folks to ask other folks if there are firearms at your house before Timmy comes over to play. It’s called “Before the play date, the gun talk.”
There is no way that the Obama administration will walk away from this fight without some sort of victory. We should be very worried.
I’d call this guy retarded, but I don’t want to offended people who suffer from retardation.
I saw a video on 8541 tactical where he took the action from that same gun a put it in a chassis stock. he stated the action is the same action that is in the upper end 700s. from what I saw in the price of actions it was worth it to buy the gun just for the action and the heavy barrel. Im thinking of doinf the same for a .223, already have a .308 with a tactical/ varmint Bell & Carlson Stock
jim
So how early was all of this supposed to have started? By my reckoning, the person was supposed to have rented the motel room at 9A.M.; so going to the doctor, returning, getting stopped, frisked and questioned by the feds, your house ransacked and searched your wife also searched frisked and questioned was all supposed to have happened before mid-morning? What kind of doctor holds appointments that early? What motel takes check-ins before checkout time (usually 11 or 12). Even rudimentary critical thinking blows this story out of the water. It’s too bad for people that enjoy their 2nd amendment rights that the most vocal anti gun control parties are people gullible enough to eat stories like this up.
A very large number of Doctor’s appointments are very early in the morning.
I just spent most of yesterday at UCLA Medical Center, starting with an 8:30 appointment, which means we had to leave the house at 6:30 to be on time.
Many medical specialties mostly or only have appointments in the morning. I’d say that between my wife and I, 75% of medical appointments are for times before 10 am.
Ditch it.
If the Founding Fathers wanted government checks on gun buyers, they would have said so. Instead they said “shall not infringe”.
Rather than buying this knife and then buying a replacement after it breaks, save up and get a good knife.
I’ve never seen a liner lock that I would trust to not close. My cheap $20 Buck with midback lock is all US made to boot.
Guess where I keep my speed loaders, cowboy?
These only purpose of these 3-D printers is to make a gun that will blow up in your hand.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd! Have you been drinking again?
Nice project. Let the haters hate.
What some fail to realize is, that its not about the money, or the fact that you could get a cheaper or better rifle somewhere else. It’s the fact that you designed it and you built it. As far as you’re concerned, it’s the best damned rifle ever made.
I once built a scout rifle from an old FR-8, because I wanted to and because I could. Yes, I could have gone out and got the Ruger GS scout, probably for cheaper. But I didn’t build it, and that’s the point.
This is going to make this an entire May Issue State instead of a Shall Issue (even though that is not the way it works in good old RI). Now all the police chiefs will kick it up to the AG.
I can’t wait to get out of this State.
Talk to the kids parents is the most civilized and least cowardly thing to do.
If the parents fail to set him straight about consensual play, tell your daughter
to stay away from him because he doesn’t respect individuals and neither do his parents.
Teach her about boy parts and how to throw a solid knee. It’ll only take once….
The Department of Homeland Security means in Romanian Departamenul Securitatii Statului, more accurate the body that deals with political repression during dictator Ceausescu in Romania. The same name, the same habits.
Government is a criminal enterprise no different than the Mafia. They lie, cheat and steal like any other gang. It is all about power mad freakers controlling the lives of others and taking the fruits of their labors. That is just the way the world is.
A follow-up to this 5+ year old story would be more appropriate. What happened to the dude, did he get his guns back, did he go to jail, did he sue the government? No?
Got his guns back. Agent Ortiz lost his job. Won his civil suit. Didn’t make up for the pain they caused him and his family. Theresa Duran the incompetent ATF agent, and Frank Ortiz, the lying piece of shit, falsified the warrant application. Their names need to be known. They are the problem.
Make up your mind–are they “jackbooted thugs” or jackbooted thugs?
Follow up please?
This type of thing is why I have the majority of my defenses off-site in multiple locations. They will get some, and maybe even most of, but never all my personal defenses.