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By MarkPA

The Presidential race for 2020 seems to have wound up with a Trump loss and a Biden win. Now what?

Many gun owners probably hold that the election was stolen. The courts sat on their hands. The legislatures of the battleground states certified the votes. And the Congress chose to look away rather than look into the evidence of fraud.

Whether any further investigation of that evidence occurs in the forthcoming weeks or months remains to be seen. There is little reason for optimism.

The run-off races in Georgia are over. We now have Democrat control of the executive branch and both chambers of the legislative branch. Any hope for maintaining conservative control of the judicial branch will be short-lived. A pack-the-Court campaign is under way and may very well succeed. It is a virtual certainty that none of these three branches of our federal government will lift a finger to secure the integrity of future elections.

We should pray we are not yet at the threshold of politics by other means. But what is the way forward within the channels of politics by regular order?

The problem, it seems, lies in the hands of the states’ legislatures, i.e., to secure the integrity of their respective electoral processes, both federal and state election processes. The failure in 2020 must be laid at the feet of those who are responsible…the states’ legislatures. Especially the legislatures of the battleground states.

These legislatures – which is to say legislators – could fix these problems. If only they would be inspired to do their duty. They didn’t do it in 2020. Perhaps they were just hoping for the best. Or they were lazy, or distracted, or their failure was due to some other cause I fail to imagine.

In any case, all politics is local. If we gun owners (and conservatives of all stripes) are to preserve the republic, we must act locally on our respective state legislators. We must persuade them to fix the flaws in their respective state election process laws or pay the price. That price is to face determined opposition in forthcoming primaries.

At this juncture, nothing else matters. It matters not at all whether a park is built or roads are paved in our state electoral districts. It matters only that Republican (and any remaining Democrats who believe in real democracy) fix and enforce their respective state election laws. Restoring Americans’ faith in the electoral process is more important than any other issue facing the country now.

I earnestly ask here: Is there any other avenue to restoring democracy in America? Should any reader think of some alternative avenue, please publicize it. Should we fail to identify a means forward through regular political order then what remains? For us to simply oil the locks of our chains? Or locks of some other type?

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    • Two Capitol Police officers are now dead as a result of the Trump inspired failed insurrection. Durrrr, bACk ThE bLUe

      • versus the total number of people killed or injured by the panty boys and burnlootmurder? By the leftist media standards, the capital riot was mostly peaceful.

        • The problem with republicans and conservatives in general, is they allow themselves to play this game at a handicap. Republicans pride themselves at being the party of “law and order” while the left themselves don’t play by this game. There has been over a billion dollars in damage this year caused by rioting and 50 some odd people have died. There were hundreds of riots, hundreds, throughout the year. Portland has had a riot everyday for the better part of a whole year. The left said nothing at all. The media called them “mostly peaceful” protests. Mostly peaceful. Predominately peaceful. Peaceful protests. They really did not call them out and for the most part ignored them. And so the left will use violence and intimidation to get what they want, and in their districts, “law and order” will not prosecute them. They will perform “catch and release” typically even the same day, with the rioters right back on the street. They have given rioters “space” to protest, which really means destroy. You have all seen videos where people fight in the street, and the police stand by, doing nothing but watching. And yet Republican’s still want to proudly proclaim – “law and order!” How’s that working out for everyone? Law enforcement, follow orders. And those orders often times come from democrat mayors and democrat leaders. And so while the left engage in violent actions that benefit them, with no regard to law and order, and the law and order in no regard to law and order, republicans limit themselves to law and order. Which leads us to the capitol hill riot. It was a riot. Definitely. All the way up into the moment the police opened the doors and let them in, then later charged them for entering. (Law and order!) And so what happens here. Republicans stormed the capitol, and engaged in a lot of antics and not so much destruction (yes, some doors and windows were broken). And then “law and order” threw the book at them. And what do republicans do? They come out and condemn it and say we are the party of law and order. It’s comically absurd and a grotesque display of self-Schadenfreude. Republicans are never going to win, ever, playing handicapped against a much larger and more powerful foe.

          And so we can’t rely on law and order.

        • We are getting demolished. Remember when banking institutions were banning gun companies, retailers, and online stores? Yeah. That’s going to get phenomenally worse in the coming years. Here was have Apple, Google, Facebook/Instagram/Pinterest/Twitter/Amazon-AWS and a host of many others ban not only the president, but even his supporters. Even his supporters. And it’s going to get worse. Unless we fight it tooth and nail.

          So given the above, we can’t rely on the private sector, especially large corporations.

        • We are getting demolished. Remember when banking institutions were banning gun companies, retailers, and online stores? Yeah. That’s going to get phenomenally worse in the coming years. Here was have Apple, Google, and a host of many others ban not only the president, but even his supporters. Even his supporters. And it’s going to get worse. Unless we fight it tooth and nail.

          So given the above, we can’t rely on the private sector, especially large corporations.

        • This election proved several things to me:

          1) Poll watchers are meaningless. Their affidavits equally so. Why have them? They do nothing, and if they see something, they will be dismissed by a court. There were hundreds of affidavits. Over 500 affidavits. And the courts dismissed them as “no evidence of widespread voter fraud.” And there never will be. Because nobody has time to validate a hundred thousand votes between the election and January 20th. So they will always be dismissed.

          2) The expediency of the process of elections is more important than the accuracy of the process. It’s better to just say “no evidence” and move along than to actually allow people to look for evidence.

          3) Going forward, mail in ballots are here to stay. So its time for republicans to fire up the printing presses and start forging ballots, because there is zero accountability on accuracy of votes. The only way democrats are ever, ever, going to secure the votes for election (requiring ID, etc.) is if republicans start cheating.

          4) Election laws don’t matter. Are there laws requiring poll watchers? Don’t matter. Laws requiring age limits, or felon status, or rules regarding registering. None of them matter. And if you break those laws, there will be zero repercussions.

          And so we can’t rely on the courts.

        • And so what is left? Joe Manchin??? Joe Manchin, will cave. He will cave. The entire left’s agenda is going to be blocked by Joe Manchin? Not going to happen. If you think he is going to be moderate, think again. Not that I’m blaming him. Any person in that position will likely crumble. The left will make it happen. Joe Manchin isn’t going to stand in their way. And if they have to crush him to push him aside, they will. They hold the house, and the senate, with Manchin in charge, while being stared at by Kamala Harris.

          And so we can’t rely on the legislature.

          And the Executive branch? They are literally trying to usher in equity extremism. Aka, socialism, communism lite. Harris’s ideal is not equal opportunity. It is making everyone equal. And they have no problem using the government as a cudgel to make this happen. Just watch this video: (Equality vs Equity)

          https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1322963321994289154?lang=en

          To them, Equality isn’t enough. They want equity. And equity (socialism/communism) is bad…

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnOUFS3lUpE

          And so we can’t rely on the executive branch

          And what were their campaign promises? Make DC and PR states? Why would you do that? I’ll tell you why – so you could have 4 additional democrat senators, thus permanently shifting the culture slightly to the left. Because conservatives would have a further handicap to address. It’s purpose (making them states) is to dilute conservatives in congress, permanently, and thus shift all the further conservatives slightly to the left (They would need to be more left leaning to win elections with 4 additional left sided senators).

          They wanted to kill the filibuster. Why? So they could make DC and PR states. So they could pack the court. Schumer wanted 13. The rules of the game are the administration that they die in, replaces them. But they don’t even like their own rules. The democrats are ruthless and will do whatever it takes. Yet republicans, so tied to the pride, beat their chests and take the high road while they are getting flushed down the toilet.

          And so we can’t rely on congress, or the current parties’ agenda.

          We can’t rely on the mainstream media, who literally lied incessantly about Trump for 4 years, while putting their retractions on page 32. We can’t rely on social media. We can’t rely on the education/academia systems in place. The left is ruthless, and I think it’s about time we be ruthless too. Everything that needs conserving is about to be flushed down the toilet, and our children and children’s children will be everything we didn’t want them to be.

      • Second cop JUST committed suicide, nothing at this point associates this with the “protests” at the Capitol… Keep your panties unbunched til ALL information is available… Keep in mind ThE bLUe DID kill an unarmed woman during the protests….

        • How do you know a cop killed her? I watched the shooting video. All I saw was a persons hand and a gun. It could be anybody. It could have been a woman staffer for all I know. Or congressman.

          Have they identified the shooter and provided a photograph?

          I agree with you though. There’s a lot of information that needs to come out.

        • All I saw was a persons hand and a gun

          Maybe you should try adding reading to you repertoire as well as watching and interpreting innocuous videos… That way you would have known that the shooter was an as yet unnamed plain clothes Capitol Hill cop who has been suspended pending
          further investigation as reported by the Capitol Hill cops… (I am of course only assuming that THEY know who works for them)… Hope that helps clear things up a bit for you….

          From CBS News: heard of them?
          The officer who shot her has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation, Sund said. Washington, D.C., Police Chief Robert Contee said late Wednesday that she was shot by the U.S. Capitol Police.

      • It wasn’t an insurrection. It was a mostly peaceful protest.

        I agree with the author to focus on state legislatures but we can also start focusing on 2022 already.

        2022 is still looking good for us. We only need to flip one senate seat and the seats up are in our favor. We only need a few to flip the house as well.

        Politics is a never ending game.

        • We “only needed” to keep one of the two senate seats in Georgia, and they have one county hold off on vote counts until they know how many they need to win. Magically they come up with more than enough.
          So what does it matter? They blatantly cheat, and now it’s just SOP, and expected. How does the side of good ever win anymore?

        • The election fraud happened at STATE polling places…. so there is really no real expectation that now they have perfected the process they won’t continue to steal needed elections. They don’t have to take everyone, just enough to keep majority. Within the next year they will enact measure to continue to make it easier to steal elections, such as No ID for voting, continued mail in voting because of the Virus de jour or to keep voters safe from right wing crazies. All the things that made it possible to steal and manufacture votes this election cycle will only become easier for them by the next one. I live in a free state, that had tight controls over the election process and I will work to keep it that way, but eventually the Federal government and the courts will force all states to comply, and that would only leave two choices for those states comply or the alternative… I will let you figure it out what that is.

      • The problem with republicans and conservatives in general, is they allow themselves to play this game at a handicap. Republicans pride themselves at being the party of “law and order” while the left themselves don’t play by this game. There has been over a billion dollars in damage this year caused by rioting and 50 some odd people have died. There were hundreds of riots, hundreds, throughout the year. Portland has had a riot everyday for the better part of a whole year. The left said nothing at all. The media called them “mostly peaceful” protests. Mostly peaceful. Predominately peaceful. Peaceful protests. They really did not call them out and for the most part ignored them. And so the left will use violence and intimidation to get what they want, and in their districts, “law and order” will not prosecute them. They will perform “catch and release” typically even the same day, with the rioters right back on the street. They have given rioters “space” to protest, which really means destroy. You have all seen videos where people fight in the street, and the police stand by, doing nothing but watching. And yet Republican’s still want to proudly proclaim – “law and order!” How’s that working out for everyone? Law enforcement, follow orders. And those orders often times come from democrat mayors and democrat leaders. And so while the left engage in violent actions that benefit them, with no regard to law and order, and the law and order in no regard to law and order, republicans limit themselves to law and order. Which leads us to the capitol hill riot. It was a riot. Definitely. All the way up into the moment the police opened the doors and let them in, then later charged them for entering. (Law and order!) And so what happens here. Republicans stormed the capitol, and engaged in a lot of antics and not so much destruction (yes, some doors and windows were broken). And then “law and order” threw the book at them. And what do republicans do? They come out and condemn it and say we are the party of law and order. It’s comically absurd and a grotesque display of self-Schadenfreude. Republicans are never going to win, ever, playing handicapped against a much larger and more powerful foe.

        And so we can’t rely on law and order.

        We are getting demolished. Remember when banking institutions were banning gun companies, retailers, and online stores? Yeah. That’s going to get phenomenally worse in the coming years. Here was have Apple, Google, Facebook/Instagram/Pinterest/Twitter/Amazon-AWS and a host of many others ban not only the president, but even his supporters. Even his supporters. And it’s going to get worse. Unless we fight it tooth and nail.

        So given the above, we can’t rely on the private sector, especially large corporations.

  1. china gives the orders to joe. They will not allow any investigations to go forward. States are not going to be allowed any freedom to act. china wants us in poverty and removed from the world stage. joe and kamala are being paid to see to that.

    There are only 2 ways forward now. Bitch and complain while our nations future dies or take action.

    At this point even a military junta would give us better hope for the future than joe and kamala.

    • In fairness to China, we’re only going to pay Joe $400,000/yr, so they Joe’s loyalties probably should lie with who paid for the mansion.

      • China will funnel their money to Joe Biden through Hunter’s foundation.

        We have a literal “Manchurian Candidate” and this one was voluntary.

    • I think China will be similar to USSR in the end.
      https://youtu.be/FGb_kPhQsxQ

      But by all means… Standby and keep the powder dry.
      Ultimately the incoming government hasn’t done anything but lie themselves into office. I urge people to wait patiently to see how much is actually implemented.

      • I don’t think they will. They claim to be communist, but they realized that even communists need money — so Xi took them full fascist. They have a functioning economy, which the Soviets never did, and they hate the entire West in a way Russia never could (being nominally part of it), all of which makes them exponentially more dangerous.

    • The Republicans (most of them) wanted Trump gone as much as the Democrats, which was his downfall. If they let this go I think the Republican party will be next. Either they’ll be replaced by a party that does represent working Americans or they’ll just eliminated by the ‘Democrat’ party now that they have permanent control.

      • The issues is that party line votes won’t switch and vote for a third party even if their original side is constantly screwing them.

        • If you have to spend time out of your very busy day sending an elected someone in government a message based on upholding what they swore to uphold then you have the wrong individual in office and that worthless pos needs to go.

          What we witnessed after the party crash in DC were knee jerk cut and run RINOs showing their colors. Everyone who jumped ship needs to go. The mitch mcconells, the romney types who hold hands with Rats need to be history otherwise the US Constitution and your Freedoms will become history.
          No one is holding the democRat Party responsible for anything they’ve done and by doing that democRat Party slander, libel and election fraud have been “rewarded.”
          Think your country can survive if all their Rat sht continues to go unchecked? Think again.

        • This entire fiasco falls squarely on the in the State Legislatures. It isn’t the fault of the Supreme Court and it really isn’t the fault of Republicans in the House or the Senate. For sure, the Supreme Court could have provided some leadership and or Republican Congressmen and Senators but State Legislatures bear the lions share of responsibility.

          Article 2. Section 1. 2. Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

          The key phrase here is “in such a Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,”. The Republican Legislators of the five conflicted states allowed the executive branches and courts to set up the mail in ballot programs and bring in the voting computers. They abdicated their responsibilities and powers. This fraud falls squarely on their shoulders.

        • “The Republican Legislators of the five conflicted states allowed the executive branches and courts to set up the mail in ballot programs and bring in the voting computers. They abdicated their responsibilities and powers. This fraud falls squarely on their shoulders.”

          That’s cold.

          That’s harsh.

          That is correct.

  2. Very good essay.

    After watching, listening, and reading a LOT,
    I’ve come to no good solutions or remedies.
    Saw it coming and knew there was nothing I could do.
    That feeling sucks.

    • Tom in Oregon,

      We have very few options available at this time. Case in point: notice the following statement in MarkPA’s article —

      If we … are to preserve the republic, we must … persuade [our state legislators] to fix the flaws in their respective state election process laws or pay the price. That price is to face determined opposition in forthcoming primaries.

      I happen to live in one of those five battleground states which determined the outcome of this last election: our Secretary of State openly and flippantly violated our state election laws. Our legislature cannot fix that with more laws. (Equally important, our laws as they exist are basically fine and there is nothing obvious to fix in our laws.) And because our Secretary of State is a Democrat, Republicans cannot remove our Secrectary of State in the next primary election.

      We have very few options when Governors, Secretaries of States, State Attorneys General, and State Supreme Courts all violate (or allow violations of) the clear letter of their respective states’ laws and state constitutions — especially when Democrats hold those offices.

      • That’s the biggest problem, right there.

        I’ve read about how Georgia’s Republican-led legislature is going to fix the state’s electoral laws — but the existing laws were mostly fine. NOBODY FOLLOWED THEM. Same thing happened in Pennsylvania. And not a single person in authority was willing to do anything about it.

        Here in WA state, the billionaire backers of the appalling anti-gun I-1639 initiative clearly violated the letter of the law in setting up their petitions so that nobody could get a clear idea of what it was they were signing onto. It went to court, and the judge *literally* said the law just didn’t matter. Of course the initiative passed.

        They can make all the laws they want, but if only one side has to follow them, it doesn’t matter.

        The rule of law is dead.

        • “Read the first part of the constitution, the answer is there.”

          For anyone thinking that “the boogaloo” is just around the corner, or thinks it should be, note that wannabe sesech are wholly disorganized and leaderless. BLM is organized. They have cells, people in charge of those cells, training and indoctrination is continuous. Many of their members legally carry firearms. The Booga ain’t gonna Loo.

    • Something as simple as a rock sold voter I.d. Law, strictly enforced, could change the game dramatically. No I.d., no vote, period. It’s ludicrous not to even have signature verification.
      Conservatives and libertarians and anybody not democrat should focus on voter i.d. with everything they have. If not, they’ll never win another election, the left has cracked the code on cheating.

      • No I.d., no vote,

        According to Democrats that is “RACIST” apparently they believe that blacks are not smart enough to get an ID (even when they are free) and requiring IDs would be denying them the right to vote…

      • Not just voter ID. We need election roles cleansed, paper ballots, purple thumbs (or finger of your choice), no motor voter or same day registering to vote, actual permanent addresses tor the voter and more things to ensure a honest vote.

  3. When violence perpetrated by the left goes unpunished/ignored while the rioters in DC get the book thrown at them, the hypocrisy screams from the rooftops. Reminds of Orwell, “some animals are more equal than others.”
    I don’t see a way forward unless our culture brings God back into our lives.

    • I’ve been thinking this for months.

      A guy in a suit shows up at your location with a binder. In the binder are photos and addresses of everyone in your extended family. Everyone, whole blood line. Rape, torture, and slow murder are in ALL of their futures, unless you do…well..nothing. Easy. Right? OH, and if you tell anyone I was here…same thing.

      Have a a good day. I’ll show myself out.

      With all that’s at stake, a few more people, great or small, are meaningless in the game. Not even pawns, as pawns have a use. Gnats.

      • Lost Down South,

        I arrived at essentially the same conclusion a few years ago — although in my scenario the man in the suit provides added incentive with a suitcase which contains $1.6 million dollars as a show of “good faith” for the target’s compliance.

        That suitcase full of money is an important dimension to the psychological effectiveness of that strategy. It says three things:

        1) The leader who sent the main in the suit has plenty of cash to cover the actual expense of truly making good on his/her threat to torture and murder their target’s family for failure to comply. That is an important reason to take their threat seriously.

        2) The henchmen are so loyal (or afraid) of their leader and so dependable that their leader trusts them to deliver a suitcase with $1.6 million and not simply steal the money. That is another reason to take their threat seriously.

        3) In offering the “fair warning” AND the huge cash incentive, the leader has demonstrated a significant level of discipline and that he/she is not a completely depraved sociopath. That is another reason to take their threat — and their “offer” (cash payout) — seriously.

      • Lost Down South,
        Have you ever seen a guy in a suit riddled with 7.62×39 rounds?Neither have I.But I guess there is a first time for everything!!!

      • “…term limits does nothing.”

        Actually, it does. You see, when a politician is termed-out, the replacement will be a person who votes the way you want; guaranteed. It’s in the bible.

        • Normally, I’d applaud your biting wit, but I’m afraid that too many would misunderstand and ask, “Biting wit? Biting wit’ what? Who is he biting? Why is he biting them? Where’re my socks?”

          Alas.

        • “Normally, I’d applaud your biting wit, but I’m afraid that too many would misunderstand and ask, “Biting wit? Biting wit’ what? Who is he biting? Why is he biting them? Where’re my socks?” ”

          Yeah. You might have a point, there.

    • The whole idea of term limits is a distraction. Trying to fix a stupid, illiterate and irresponsible electorate with term limits is a non starter. It’s a crutch. The voters are supposed to decide when someone’s term needs to end. If they can’t do that then maybe it’s time for democracy to fade away for that electorate.

      • “The whole idea of term limits is a distraction.”

        But it seems to be an effective distraction. Wondering if the same people who believe term limits will replace one politician with a better one (from the same pool as the one being replaced), also believe a bunch of new amendments resulting from a Convention of the States will be more effective than the original 10, not withstanding that the same enforcement mechanisms remain in place.

      • Term limits, unless enacted correctly, just mean the pols swap gigs every few years. There is no new blood unless one of them kicks the bucket. Ingrown eyeball, power accumulation, and stagnation all continue unabated.

  4. “Whether any further investigation of that evidence occurs…”

    That “evidence” is only in your mind. Just because Trump said something over and over doesn’t make it so. Also, just because Trump believes that the state legislatures have the power to magically overthrow elections doesn’t make it so.

    Real Americans work within the framework of the Constitution. If one side weakens non-Second Amendment areas of the Constitution, the Second Amendment is next to fall when the other side comes to power.

    Biden won. Trump lost. Don’t like it? Do what is necessary to win the hearts and minds of a majority of Americans to your point of view. Most of the time that involves being nice.

    But when you talk about destruction, don’t you know that you can count me out.

    • “Just because Trump said something over and over doesn’t make it so.”

      Check your TDS at the door and have a look around. This evidence has NOT been refuted.

      • *Jump to 25:30 and explain that. That’s only one item out of 100’s. Now explain all of them, and while you’re at it, explain why this wasn’t happening in previous elections. Wanting a secure vote has nothing to do with Trump. The one thing that tells me that fraud DID occur is the coordinated tech/media/politician effort to sweep it under the rug with zero questions as well as silencing the opposition.

    • “Biden won. Trump lost. Don’t like it? Do what is necessary to win the hearts and minds of a majority of Americans to your point of view.”

      We already did, by about 10 million more votes in 2020 than 2016.

      Those legislatures have zero interest or or motivation to change a damn thing. It’s winning them political power that they have no interest in giving back. And they won’t, willingly…

    • Winning hearts and minds isn’t necessary any longer. Mail in votes and corrupt counting machines are a sure thing now and there is no consequences.

      Who wants to waste time converting non believers when you can take over anyway?

      BTW Idaho Boy say hi to Romney the RINO for us.

    • You can’t win the hearts and minds of the populace when the opposition media and politicians are busy inciting a flame war. There is no unity when those in control constantly try to divide us and keep us distracted amongst ourselves.

    • Not so fast…If you want to buy a bucket of poo and think biden won that’s your problem. Jim Crow Gun Control joe and the ho have been rejected. That’s Chiseled. Therefore what they say or do has no standing. The only way that rat can rule is by force and he is welcomed to try while you hide and watch.

    • More specifically: Trump lost because he wasn’t nice.

      Ask yourselves: Is what you are saying on these message boards nice?

      Is accusing other folks of “Trump Derangement Syndrome” nice?

      If you want to win elections, start by being nice.

      • “If you want to win elections, start by being nice.” That’s exactly the opposite of what the left does. If you had paid any attention to what was being found (videos of fraud, mathematical evidence, vote counts dropping on election night (not possible in a fair election, perhaps in a recount), votes being switched (Biden gaining the exact number Trump lost), etc) you would have seen just how they cheated, and last time I checked cheating puts you firmly in the naughty list.

        • You are discussing political behavior, not presentation. There’s a big difference.

          Lots of successful Republicans were nice. Dwight D. Eisenhower was nice. Abraham Lincoln was nice. Ronald Reagan was nice. Teddy Roosevelt was nice, as long as you didn’t get in his way. (Remember speak softly, and carry a big stick?) Richard Nixon appeared to be nice, and that was enough for a very long time.

          Can anybody really say that Donald Trump is nice?

          Can anybody really say that folks who call for the violent overthrow of the government, either explicitly or through dog whistles, are nice?

        • “Can anybody really say that folks who call for the violent overthrow of the government, either explicitly or through dog whistles, are nice?”

          Does anybody really say that folks who fire a gun in self-defence are “nice”? Facing death is the wrong environment for being nice. Were the founders nice about obtaining freedom and self-governance?

          Nice is for children (regardless of chronological age).

        • @Idaho Boy
          “ Can anybody really say that Donald Trump is nice?”

          That question is without meaning. It is completely irrelevant. If you’re voting based on who is’ ice’ then you have no clue what you’re doing.

        • “If you’re voting based on who is’ ice’ then you have no clue what you’re doing.”

          That might not be entirely true. People who vote for “nice” people get to feel good about themselves for supporting persons who display the virtue of being “nice”.

      • If you think being nice wins presidential elections, Mitt Romney would perhaps like a word with you.

        Being likable is a big factor, but that is not at all the same as being nice. Joe Biden is “likable.” The harmless elderly uncle, ol’ grampa Joe, a guy you can trust to tend the farm until the kids are old enough to run it. Or at least that’s how the Masters of the Universe sold it while he was hiding away out of sight so as not to damage the illusion.

      • Donald Trump was elected because a large part of the citizens were tired of getting screwed over by smooth talking do nothing politicians. What you suggest has been rejected.

        • G.W. Bush was “nice” for eight years. They only thing that got us was eight years of a useless muslim in the White House.

        • G.W. Bush was “nice” for eight years.

          You mean the guy Auntie Nancy called a fucking idiot the day before she sat in the Oval laughing and living large while sipping her special tea with said idiot?…

      • What is wrong with you? Be nice? Good Lord, we are doomed with people like this on our side. Nice ain’t gonna cut it. Maybe we should try to “cross the aisle and be bi-partisan” like GW always said. Fkn tards.

    • What about suppression of the hunter biden laptop story and jaunita broderick?

      The election was rigged before the first ballot got cast.

      “What good is a phone call if you are unable to speak?”–Agent Smith

    • The problem has NOTHING to do with Trump. He didn’t start the trouble and he won’t be able to stop it. The idea that it is about him is in YOUR mind.

    • Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

      Nothing magic here. The system failed totally. There is no Constitutional fix here. The losing side either decides to go concede defeat in a fraudulent election or refuse to go along with it. There is nothing patriotic in conceding a fraudulent election.

      • 1) concession is not required.

        2) The rules set by the Constitution ARE the fix. The problem is that these rules are not being followed. This makes it illegal.

    • lets just ignore the fraud claims all together for a second, okay? Now, state governors and secretary of states in several battleground states outright violated election laws. Nothing happened to them, they just got a judge to slap down any injunctions from state legislatures trying to stop it. The rules only exist if you’re on the “wrong side of history”. Tell me how you fix that? I really am open to solutions cause I got none.

      • “It’s not about Trump. It was never about Trump.”

        As the lady said, “We are not Trump, Trump is us. We were here long before Trump showed up; we will be here after.”

  5. We don’t need to “restore democracy”, we were never a “democracy”, America is, or was, a Republic.

    As noted the legislators did nothing, courts did nothing, federal congress did nothing, and local officials in those few precincts refused to cooperate. The most revealing thing that happened was the supposedly republican governor and secretary of state of Georgia refused to do a detailed investigation of questionable ballots. That should raise big red flags.

    That should suggest that maybe, just possibly, democrats (communist party USA) control most of those groups. They control at least enough people in those groups to successfully steal the election and avoid any judicial “interference”.

    This whole election and aftermath has revealed the existence of many Manchurian Candidates in all levels of politics, courts, media and bureaucracy.

    A prediction: Real conservatives will never win another national election.

    As a hint for coming attractions:

    Rick Klein, who is the rudder on the corrupt ABC News political coverage ship, must have been feeling awfully emboldened Thursday after Democrat Joe Biden was officially certified as the country’s next president. Perhaps a little too emboldened, as is evident by what he said on Twitter.
    “Trump will be an ex-president in 13 days. The fact is that getting rid of Trump is the easy part. Cleansing the movement he commands is going to be something else”

    Take your time to think about that last part.

    Be Prepared !!!

    • “Trump will be an ex-president in 13 days. The fact is that getting rid of Trump is the easy part. Cleansing the movement he commands is going to be something else”

      • And of course, that “Cleansing” of Trump’s supporters is exactly why the Second Amendment was written down in the first place…

      • Make no mistake, the libfruits will attempt a “cleansing” Get ready for full on tyranny, with no quarter given to us.

      • The same FBI that sent 29 agents in 17 vehicles (never heard of carpooling?!?) to take in the ultra dangerous old guy for threatening someone’s dog and telling a fib. The same FBI that told CNN to be there to capture the magic on video. Yeah, that’s totally on the up and up. I trust those guys to do the right thing.

  6. We’ve come to a pretty sorry pass when violence is the only remaining answer. If that’s the way it is to be, then those responsible must be held accountable.

    • There are options other than violence. Fight dirty politically is the first one. Hard grassroots organizing efforts is another.

      Some of the failures of Republican State Legislatures is due to ignorance of the constitution and constitutional law and not necessarily due to corruptuon or “Manchurian” representatives.

      They were simply constitutionally illerate and incompetent and getting bad advice fiom (likely secretly Leftist) lawyers.

      If I were the Republicans (that hold the majority) in the Pennsylvania State Legislature, I would have called the Legislature back into session with a simple majority and voted (again with a simple majority) to invalidate the election results and hold a new Presidential election with strict enforcement of election law within a week of the election.

      Put the shoe on the other foot. Let the opposition sue and prove their case.

      The other thing is loyalty to party leadership is set in concrete in the Democratic Party of Pennsylvania. When it counts, the members vote in unison at the direction of party leadership. If the Democrats were the majority party and they thought the Republicans stole the election, they would have voted on November 4th to overturn the Presidential election results in Pennsylvania.

      Republicans are much more independent of party leadership in Pennsylvania, frequently to our detriment.

        • Nice is fine but I want a strong candidate that won’t back down when pressured and will stand tall as a representative amongst world leaders. Obama was nice but constantly apologizing on behalf of America made our country look weak. Trudeau seems like a nice guy too but was pretty weak in response when his own countrymen aboard a Ukrainian airliner was shot down by Iran.

          Weakness, allows others to step on you. Being nice tells other nations that they can take advantage of you and that you will do nothing in response.

        • The Republican base doesn’t want “nice”. They want someone who appears to fight for them and who actually gives a damn. Only soccer moms and limp wristed men want a “nice” candidate

    • Sad thing is that if any true patriots take actions, the typical keyboard commandos on here will just bitch, complain, and heckle at them. There is no unified support amongst 2A community that is why we fail. We need a leader and one common goal that isn’t muddied with those trying to jump on the bandwagon.

      Gun rights should be gun right, leave out abortion, god, immigration…etc. Those causes should be done separately otherwise you alienate other gun right supporters who don’t feel strongly with those issues.

      • That might be fine for the single issue voter and might actually have a chance at possibility if the left would spend so much time pushing so heavily for all that other stuff.

    • Violence is never the first choice any of us would choose. But do not forget that it took violence for us to overcome the tyranny that attempted to rule in 1776. It may once again require violence for us to keep (or take back) or liberties now. I hope not but it is certainly not without question. I’d prefer not to be the lamb led to the slaughter myself.

  7. “…is there any other avenue to restoring democracy in America?….”

    Secession.

    The States that wish to do so will bond together to form a New Nation. This new nation will ensure that no foreign power will threaten anyone on this continent. Otherwise the Blue enclaves on the coasts can govern themselves as they see fit. Walls, visas, ect

    • “Secession.

      The States that wish to do so will bond together to form a New Nation.”

      That’s the ‘National Conversation’ we need to have…

      • And what happens when your new nation can’t get any more iPhones, Androids, or Starbucks? Another revolution, this time from within?

        Revolutions are created when the common folk are really suffering, or when leaders can convince them they are suffering by controlling the media, or when religious wingnuts take over. Most folks are far too comfortable to even remotely contemplate a revolution. Despite conspiracy theories to the contrary, nobody really controls the media, either on the right or the left. Even in the Republican heartland, religion is too diverse for any particular set of religious wingnuts to take over.

        So sorry, but your revolution is going nowhere.

        • The fact that you are worried about iPhones and wifi says a lot about you. You should feel privileged to have a grocery store.

          Fucking kids.

        • Lol
          You really have no clue.

          All that other stuff is on the chopping block for openly conservative people anyway. Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Apple have all made that abundantly clear. As for me, Starbucks coffee is nowhere on the radar. I couldn’t care less.

        • “As for me, Starbucks coffee is nowhere on the radar.”

          Now hold on, I say hold on there Son. Nobody can match Starbucks’ Chocolate Mocha Frappuccino. Can’t do without those entirely.

        • I can’t fill one hand with the number of times I’ve been in any Starbucks since Harvey. Even before that it was quite rare. I would never miss it.

        • “….So sorry, but your revolution is going nowhere…”

          Strawman..I did not say Revolution. A Revolution would mean an attempt to take over the Federal Government by force, perhaps re-organize it. The States already have that ability through a Con-Con.

          Think of what I said as a ‘No-Fault Divorce’ if it helps you to. As far as iphones and Starbucks are concerned, what’s in a name? What’s important are deep water ports.

          Details can be worked out over a long period similar to Brexit.

          I would think the Left/Progressives would benefit as well. No more deplorable, back-woods, trailer park trash, gun owning, unenlightened fly-over people and every other name we’ve been called.

          The Left’s utopian dreamed finally achieved!

        • “The States already have that ability through a Con-Con.”

          Not quite, but on a more realistic note…the leftists/statists/authoritarians don’t want separation, they want complete dominance. Just as you would not simply want an intruder to just stop beating your children and flee(separating), the Dims want revenge, payback, punishment, elimination of the threat; complete and unassailable dominance.

        • Black rifle coffee > starbucks.

          Hell, I’d take foldgers before that shit. In Montana we have Montana Coffee traders (which is kind of a hipster thing, but good cold coffee) and copper mountain. Anything else you must be a tourist or a city dweller.

        • Secession? Where do we draw the “Mason-Dixon Line” this time? Even red states have deeply blue dots. Take Tennessee for example. Nashville and Memphis consistently vote Democrat at every opportunity. The rest of the state is Republican. So, how does a state secede with oppositional urban populations? This whole discussion is far more complex than anyone can imagine.

        • “….Secession? Where do we draw the “Mason-Dixon Line” this time? Even red states have deeply blue dots…”

          No “Mason-Dixon line, but there will be borders and a New Constitution, however not so different than the one we have now. Mistakes such as the 17th Amendment need not be repeated though. Those of the Left persuasion will need to adapt or move as they probably would not fit in well. Their choice of course but I don’t think they would be happy remaining. Who can know?

          There is no love lost between Conservative Canadians and Ottawa. Perhaps Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan might consider joining a new nation?

      • Agreed. It’s the most sensible thing I’ve thought of. The question then becomes, can it be done?
        From what I’ve read, it would not be easy or quick.

        • “From what I’ve read, it would not be easy or quick.”

          According to the Union Army, secession is not permissible. The Supreme Court probably agrees. There is no exit proviso in the Constitution (nor the BOR). Therefore, if the constitution does not expressly permit an action by the states, the central government retains/possesses the power to act/prevent.

          You gotta keep up with modern times. We can’t let law/the Constitution stand in the way of doing what is right. (wish I could find that Obama quote; shudda captured it when it was first published)

        • @Sam I Am
          American leadership acting in contradiction to the Constitution they swear to uphold is not permissible.

          Trump was absolutely right when he said the USA would never be socialist. It won’t be. If this country goes socialist, that means it’s no longer the same country. It gets transformed into something else.

          Secession might not be permissible but the you have to ask ‘permissible against what?’. Once the country’s founding documents are rendered meaningless then there is no longer a question of what is permitted. It is no longer binding as it is no longer the USA. Secession becomes a natural response to breach of contract. What holds this nation together is a contract between the states themselves and Washington. There are reasons why Washington DC never became a state.

        • “American leadership acting in contradiction to the Constitution they swear to uphold is not permissible.”

          Apparently it is; reality bytes. We are where we are. It is now eminently permissible…and desirable. The Union Army eliminated secession. Maybe another army can restore secession. Might makes right. Defenders of the Constitution should not ignore that lesson. Principle without power is not even a moral victory.

        • You gotta keep up with modern times. We can’t let law/the Constitution stand in the way of doing what is right

          Sam, is this what you’re looking for? “I will not allow gridlock, or inaction, or willful indifference to get in our way.” (Barack Hussein Obama) as the administration launched the “We Can’t Wait” initiative….

        • “Sam, is this what you’re looking for…?”

          Thanx for the assist, but Obama actually said “doing what is right”, as in subjugating the Constitution to a popular political notion of “good”. I knew when I saw the quote I shouldn’t gloss over it. Everything is forever on the internet, right? But over the last year I searched for it often, and it doesn’t turn-up. I simply screwed up.

        • “Sam has always confused morality with legality.”

          Nope. Before and after the Ten Commandments, law was not/has not been about morality. Law is about power; justice an afterthought. Recognizing and pointing out the difference between the two is not an endorsement of either. One can act morally, or illegally, but the decision should not be the result of misunderstanding either of the two.

          As always, Dickens got it right, “The law is a ass – a idiot”.

        • “it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

          It’s not in the Constitution. It’s in our First Founding Document. It’s a God Given right, but you have to fight for it.

    • That worked so well for the native population in the Americas. They even signed treaties just as powerful as the U.S. Constitution. Then when they refused to “sell” their property/land the U.S. military came a marching in and murdered the children and women in mass to get the men to “give” the property to the U.S..

      • Obama gave Navajo Nation $554 million dollars in reparation money during his term in presidency. It wouldn’t be too far fetch if Biden/Harris actually hold true to paying blacks reparation money as well.

        • What the country allowed Democrats to do to blacks in the country was heinous and some of it still continues to this day. It needs to end. But the 800,000 casualties in the civil war, WERE the reparations.

        • Considering what the modern clan with a tan does to whites… fuck em.

          Nobodies history is perfect. Some MUCH worse than ours. Ours just happens to be more recent.

    • Secession isn’t going to happen without a war. The left would starve to death without conservatives to feed and cloth them.

  8. Our only solution is to take the path of George Washington, “Appeal to Heaven”.
    We are like Mosses with our backs against the Red Sea and the enemy chanting to get to us. (Exodus 14-15) God’s hand opened the sea, Mosses et al escaped, and the Egyptians drowned.
    That’s our appeal for God’s hand to act on our behalf. For the Insurrection Act and Military Tribunals to drowned the deep state. Pelosi is running around like her hair is on fire, because Trump has her laptop. Election Fraud is irrefutable.
    Wake up and pray. Without God’s intervention there will be no more America, if the Dems get in.
    For those who choose not to enter into the fight and pray, well cowardice gets you a ticket to the lake of fire forever.

    • “Our only solution is to take the path of George Washington, “Appeal to Heaven”.”

      As the old sayings go :

      “Marriage may be made in Heaven, but the bills must be paid in earth.”

      “God helps those who help themselves.”

      And, the biggie :

      “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

      Note this : “…a decent respect to the opinions of mankind…”

      There is *zero* respect for our point of view, only naked contempt.

      When a human has contempt for another human being, that opens the door wide-ass open for the ones with contempt to do as they please to the others. And they will feel a sense of self-righteous smug satisfaction while doing it.

      “Good. they deserved it…”

    • Without God’s intervention there will be no more America, if the Dems get in.

      News FLASH….. The DEMS are IN… THEY have the Executive, THEY have the Legislatures AND with a RINO Chief Justice THEY already control the SCOTUS….

      Two more trips and I will be closing my FL home for the duration of the Pretenders occupation of the White House…. My voting by ballot days are over and self preservation has become the theme of the day….