Sweeping Gun Bans Increase Gun Crimes in New Zealand

Just thought I’d leave this here. Story above at The Blaze and story below at Gunpowder Magazine.

You might even summarize these “shocking” results thusly: More Guns, Less Crime. Also, Guns Save Life. This is my surprised face: 

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  1. avatar jwm says:

    Who did not see that coming? Gun control has never been about keeping crime down and people safe.

    1. avatar Phil LA says:

      Its about keeping people down and crime safe.

  2. avatar Lance says:

    I can hear it now.
    “We didn’t go far enough!”

    If you think about it… that’s a rather ominous and foreboding sentence.
    How far are they willing to go?

    1. avatar Phil LA says:

      Killing in the name of safety.

      1. avatar Peter Gunn says:

        “I will fight for the right to be right
        I will kill for the good of the fight for the right to be right”

        And I open my eyes to look around
        And I see a child laid slain
        On the ground

        Cygnet Committee
        David Bowie

      2. avatar LazrBeam says:

        Killing to save lives?

    2. avatar Jeremy S. says:

      This is a pretty interesting read and explains a lot of the “we just didn’t go far enough” mentality: https://www.hughwillbourn.com/post/cc-no-2-covid-brexit-and-flying-saucers

      People have a very hard time reassessing once they’ve committed to something or staked ego and reputation on it. Same thing with liking a particular gun or truck brand. You made a choice and spent big money, and now it HAS to have been the best choice or else your ego is hurt, because you will have made a mistake or been wrong, etc etc.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        I thought I was wrong once. Turns out I was mistaken.

        1. avatar Aaron says:

          My kid’s hate when I say that 😂.

      2. avatar GS650G says:

        Audiophiles are guilty of this as well.

        1. avatar arc says:

          There is actually a huge difference in audio clarity with a FLAC source on a property setup system when compared to a youtube MP3 and a crappy gaming headset. It doesn’t have to cost tens of thousands, but if its good equipment, almost anyone will notice the additional information being played. Its like getting your first sound card back in the old days, night and day.

          I’m too poor to get anything nice, so I bide my time and save my money until I can. My current headset is actually taped together because it’s broken. ^_^

        2. avatar 9x39 says:

          Pretty much most are given to a predisposed bias of some sort. Recognizing it, when it’s a factor in yourself & your decision making process, and rooting it out is an admirable quality. Ofc, in the audiophile realm, those we refer to as audiophools. The sort the purchase Bybee Quantum Purifiers, and overpriced green markers for their optical discs. Or make glowing reviews filled with flowery horse manure like “made me experience musicality as though I’ve poured liquid ecstasy into mine ears, the wafting melodies the likes of which have never been heard before”.

          Arc is right, it doesn’t take 10’s of thousands, or million’s worth of gear to achieve nirvana. Not that you’ll find it in you local WallyWorld, nor Best Buy either.

      3. avatar Martin Buck says:

        Well, I have extremely good hearing (audiologist tested) and I can hardly tell the difference, in fact I prefer the way MP3 sounds. It’s rockier. I just regret the months it’s going to take me to rerip my 128GB memory card. Sigh.

        1. avatar 9x39 says:

          Most FLAC, no, there’s not a huge difference between a high bit rate encoded MP3. My equipment, I can tell the difference between a level 5, & level 8 secure ripped FLAC. Although I could see your preferences based on your musical likes, so no judgement. 🙂

          Sorry for the late reply, webz is wonky with everyone home in the neighborhood.

  3. avatar Rusty - time for RGB to go - Chains says:

    Gun control has two objectives:
    1. Short term, the feelz of the useful idiots that yammer for it.
    2. Long term, Increasing the power of they Tyrants in government that push it.

  4. avatar Jimmy Beam says:

    Surprise, surprise! Why do you think all the rioting is happening in blue states??

    1. avatar Montana Actual says:

      Like… Texas? Georgia?

      fail.

      1. avatar Pepe says:

        – Not a fail. The Democrat rats fled their sinking ships and relocated to Texas and Georgia.

      2. avatar Aaron says:

        Ok, blue cities. Asshat

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          You got to be honest. Narratives divide. Don’t blame only blue states and black people.

        2. avatar Aaron says:

          Why are you baiting about race? Grow up.

        3. avatar Montana Actual says:

          Why are you baiting about political sides?

          Look, I don’t agree with the race baiting either, but he’s got a point here. Same goes for politics. Not everyone in those cities voted for the left, or even the right. It’s time we realize the two party system is failing the diversity of America.

      3. avatar arc says:

        Houston is as blue as blue gets, along with Dallas and SanAn, the rest of the state is fine.

        1. avatar Montana Actual says:

          29 million people in Texas. 52% voted red, 43 voted blue – out of 9 million votes. Houston is here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Texas_2016_presidential_results_by_county.png

          Not “as blue as it gets”. No city or state is. It’s very divided, and mostly equal, with the majority of people NOT voting. So if 25% votes one way, the other 25% votes another way, then the remaining 50% votes from the rooftops apparently.

      4. avatar frank speak says:

        It’s really an urban issue….basically liberal bastions….

      5. avatar chuckers says:

        You mean Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio. Sorry but those cities have been ran by democrats for quite some time. Too many rotten New Yorkers and Californicators have relocated there. They leave a rotten city because of the p[olitics and are so stupid they vote the same kind of people they voted in to power in the places they had to leave. Sometimes I wish we could leagally clean the gene pool.

  5. avatar enuf says:

    A well disarmed populace is an easily robbed, car jacked, held up, burglarized, raped, beaten, murdered, extorted and generally cowed by criminals populace.

    Just basic math folks, don’t even need long division to get the right answer.

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      The see the future of the PSA (Progressive States of America) look at South Africa now.

  6. avatar MiniMe says:

    [Nelson Muntz] HAA HAA! [\Nelson Muntz

  7. avatar Chief Censor says:

    Yeah, I saw this little one the other day.

  8. avatar James says:

    It so hard to make a legit living here so you have to get in the game. Problem is if someone snitches or tries to RIP you off then you got to bring on the heat because steel is too messy.

  9. avatar Ralph says:

    NZ has bad gun laws and the fugliest PM in the history of fugly. Poor [email protected]

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      The have Momo for a PM.

      Don’t Google image search the name. It will haunt your nightmares.

  10. avatar WI Patriot says:

    Gee, whoda thunk it…

  11. avatar strych9 says:

    Totally off topic for this thread but I figured people should know if they’re still awake:

    The @Antifa_US account was suspended tonight for saying the following:

    “Tonight’s the night comrades

    Tonight we say “Fuck The City” and move into the residential areas… the white hoods… and take what’s ours”

    That was screenshotted. Repost here:

    https://twitter.com/SheepKnowMore/status/1267231881226883073/photo/1

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      With the President changing ‘Antifa’s’ status to terrorist organization I’m wondering if ‘open season’ has not just been declared during civil unrest. I live in rural America so not as impacted as others..thankfully. However a, pre-coffee, thought popped into my head.

      Why are we not seeing any ‘mass shootings’? Surly this would be a prime time for the wackos who, in the past, walk into schools or churches and start shooting? Where are they? Where are the wackos that want to kill as many as possible..(think Vegas shooter) or (guy in Oz who targeted Islam places)

      Huge crowds, ability to wear a mask without being questioned, an urban area, lots of noise, freedom of movement, plenty of elevated positions, cover and concealment ect It would be a perfect killing ground.

      I’m not a conspiracy nut, but it seems rather odd this has not happened given all the major cities being affected……maybe I’ll go get coffee now.

    2. avatar Dude says:

      The Left: But they just want to fight fascism. I mean it’s right there in their name!

      Also the Left: Nazi Socialists weren’t socialists!

    3. avatar Dude says:

      “the white hoods” -They’re specifically targeting people by race, just like the rioters and vandals that move to the next building when they see a black owned sign in the window. I’m sure CNN and MSNBC are tripping over themselves trying to be the first to report on the racist Left.

  12. avatar Kendahl says:

    This is up to the Kiwis. New Zealand is still a democracy and Ardern can’t avoid an election forever. The buck (They use New Zealand dollars.) stops with her. If violent crime is increasing, despite her antigun policies, it’s her fault. Pound on that continually until a more agreeable policy or government takes over. The question is how many Kiwis support her policies, how many oppose them, and how many (probably the majority) don’t care enough, one way or the other, to complain. To use a closer example, parts (I’m sure not all.) of Minneapolis and St. Paul are burning. How many citizens, even in the affected districts, are calling their councilmen and the mayor to demand that rioters and looters be put down?

    1. avatar Martin Buck says:

      Whole problem is the economy is shut down so peoples is bored shitless. Time for a little cashless shopping, smash and grab style. Cops are facing off against crowds, not protecting downtown merchants. Remember, it’s all about the money, y’all.

  13. avatar Mark says:

    In the immortal words of Coca-Cola in New Zealand, “Kia ora mate!” (“G’day death!”).

  14. avatar bob says:

    Wait, didn’t all the criminals turn their guns in? ha no. Idiots.

  15. avatar Dude says:

    Bill de Blasio’s daughter, Chiara de Blasio, was arrested at a violent antifa/BLM riot in Manhattan on Saturday night where cars were set ablaze.

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1267420541742223360

  16. avatar Dude says:

    You want less crime? Don’t elect liberals.

    The same pols that said the police will protect you, will order the police to stand down:

    It’s just property, say liberals who have never known a life without plenty. But the property they dismiss so easily can be a life’s work, like the sports bar in Minneapolis into which Korboi Balla, a black firefighter, had poured his life savings. It was destroyed a few days before he was due to open this week.

    “I don’t know what we’re going to do,” Korboi Balla told CBS News on Thursday morning while holding back tears. “It hurts, man. It’s not fair, it’s not right. We’ve been working so hard for this place. It’s not just for me, it’s for my family.”

    “These people did this for no reason,” wept Stephanie Wilford, who lives in an apartment next to where shops were looted and burned Friday night. “They went straight to . . . every store over here that I go to. I have nowhere to go now and I have no way to get there because the buses aren’t running.”

    Leftist pols promote terrorists:
    This is why Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison (former DNC vice chair) pretends that the external agitators in Minneapolis’ riots were Trump-voting “white supremacists,” because the former DNC deputy chairman is one of those in his party who has normalized Antifa as a useful part of the political process.

    See his twitter feed of January 2018, when he posed for a selfie at a bookstore holding “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook” and wrote: “I just found the book that strikes fear in the heart of @realDonaldTrump.”

  17. avatar Fully Involved says:

    This article is disappointingly stupid. It’s incorrect to say the ban “increased” gun crime because correlation does not equal causation. Just because the gun crime increased after a gun ban doesn’t mean the gun ban was the cause. For example, the rate could have been trending upwards well before the ban and simply continued to do so after the ban was enacted or it could be increasing for factors that may have nothing to do with the gun ban. Far too little information is given here to make any intelligent inference.
    I really dont want us to make the same mistakes that anti-gun people make with their wild claims and flawed interpretations of data. We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard and ensure our arguement is based on solid facts. If we compromise on our intellectual integrity our entire pro-2A arguement (even those supported with facts) will lose its legitimacy.

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