No, that’s not a SIG P238. But you’d be forgiven for confusing the new Springfield Armory 911 .380 ACP pistol for a familiar product of New Hampshire rather than a new one from Illinois. The new pocket pistol packs 6+1 rounds with a flush-fit magazine or an extra one with the extended mag. Springfield’s offering four models, two base models with an MSRP of $599 and two equipped with Viridian lasers for $799. Here’s their press release:
GENESEO, ILL. (01/01/18) – With its new .380 ACP pistol, Springfield Armory’s 911 is well-suited for comfort, size and convenience – making it the perfect pistol for your EVERY day carry.
Optimizing the frame-to-slide-to-trigger guard relationship creates handling characteristics unique among small pistols of its kind. Many pocket guns can be hard to handle and unpleasant to shoot, discouraging practice at the range and time on the hip. However, the 911 .380 both shoots and feels like a full-size firearm, encouraging both practice and daily carry in the most concealable firearm that Springfield currently offers. It’s small frame shooting with the familiarity of a 1911.
The 911 .380 carries a crisp, short-reset 5-pound trigger with the industry’s only G10 Trigger shoe produced by Hogue®, a differentiating and satisfying feature in such a small pistol. This quick, positive trigger squeezes off repeat rounds with reassuring precision, a key factor in surviving defensive situations. A loaded chamber indicator and hammer provide peace of mind with both visual and tactile cues allowing for various modes of carry.
Designed for life-saving defensive use at close range, the 911 features an ambidextrous safety and is perfectly matched with an Ameriglo® Pro-Glo™ green tritium front sight inside a yellow luminescent circle, and a tactical rack U-notch rear sight with green tritium inside of white luminescent circles. Sighting is designed to provide fast target acquisition to gain the edge in a defensive encounter. The low-profile design ensures a snag-free draw when milliseconds count.
To keep the gun invisible until needed, the frame measures 5.5 inches long and less than 4 inches high, with a smooth profile that’s undetectable under clothing. Springfield’s Octo-Grip™ texturing on the mainspring housing and front strap allows for a very secure grip without tearing up your clothes while carrying concealed. Additionally, the thin-line grips and mainspring housing are made of G10 by Hogue®.
Should need arise, the 2.7-inch precision broached barrel gives this small gun solid accuracy at greater than confrontation distance. A full-length guide rod and flat wire spring enhance control and soften recoil. A flush 6-round and 7-round extended magazine provides great capacity in such a small platform. Two configurations of the 911 .380 are also offered with integrated green Viridian® laser grips, making target acquisition all but effortless.
The new 911 is crafted of 7075 T6 anodized hard-coat aluminum, the same material used in combat-ready firearms like Springfield’s renowned SAINT AR-15 rifles and pistols. A brushed-satin, matte-finish stainless steel or black Nitride slide completes the picture. The new Springfield Armory 911 is an ideal carry pistol or backup gun, with the features, quickness and reliability to save lives. When the Police are minutes away and the threat is seconds away….
9-1-1…When you have to be your own first responder.
“With such great advances made in modern defense ammunition, the .380 has become a seriously viable defensive platform ,” says Springfield Armory CEO Dennis Reese, “and our customers deserve a pistol that makes the most of it. Once you try it, you’ll be as convinced as we are that this is the best .380 pistol choice available.”
Now available in four configurations:
PG9109 .380 ACP BLACK MSRP $599.00
PG9109S .380 ACP STAINLESS MSRP $599.00
PG9109VG .380 ACP BLACK, GREEN VIRIDIAN® LASER MSRP $789.00
PG9109SVG .380 ACP STAINLESS, GREEN VIRIDIAN® LASER MSRP $789.00
Springfield 911: Never Forget…your everyday carry piece.
Piss on Sprinfield Armory. My memory isnt that short.
How short is it? Do you own any Ruger or S&W?
Bill Ruger is dead and S&W is under new ownership, so while remembering makes sense, a bit of common sense on our part is necessary. You don’t blame the gun for the murder do you?
Once rung, a bell can’t be unrung. While I’m sure the Czech factory that makes the new handgun makes a decent product, the management team at Springfield that traded gun rights for a political advantage is still in place. Because of that I refuse to buy anything Springfield makes. Besides, there are already several excellent 911 style .380’s in the marketplace, so who needs another? I think I’ll keep my P238.
Garrison, I don’t disagree with you. I am stuck with one Springfield product that I bought before their duplicity was discovered. I never would have been tempted by this little gat anyway since I am sticking with the truly excellent LCP 2 for backup.
Czech factory? What Czech factory? The XD series are made in Croatia. 1911s are either Brazilian manufacture, Brazilian parts assembled in the US, or 100% US parts and assembly depending on model (and price).
W B Ruger is dead and Ruger have poured out weapons that we want to buy and conceal.
S&W has bounced around owners every decade and seem to be on the rifht track except for the stupid lock on their revolvers. So i dont buy their new revolvers.
SA helped engineer decidedly fascist legislation to give them a business advantage at the expense of 2nd amendment freedom. The company decisions can be attrinuted to leadership at the top of the ladder.
So…. you do what you need to do Ned. I say piss on em.
Dont buy guns made in turkey or china either. One day i may have to. Today is not that day.
Do we have a list of every gun manufacturer that’s done bad things politically or personally? I’d wager a shorter list is which manufactures have not done anything “bad”.
You want purity? Than you are limited to Beretta. They are the only major firearms manufacturer that won’t screw gun owners over for that fat government contract.
“Undersized, under powered, outgunned ” NEXT….
Underpowered, you say. Have you ever been hit with a .380 and not suffered any damage?
I carry a Kimber micro and feel pretty confident that 7 rounds of .380 will defend me just fine.
You small caliber haters need to lighten up.
Your confidence is misplaced
So you say. I’m betting you’re a full size 1911 or nothing kind of guy, right?
The .380 has stopped many crimes and killed quite a few scumbags. It’s a good choice for deep cover carry.
Your full size whatever in the safe at home won’t do you any good
I am going to disagree. Some people carry subsonic .22s. 380s will do any job that is close and needs done. I might not pick it as a sidearm with which to go hunting in the woods. But, then, how many of us live in the woods?
Ah, the old “my .22 deringer is a mouse gun? Well how about you stand still while I shoot you with it!” fallacy. I certainly don’t expect a pocket .22 to kill me, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t. If you’re happy with “well, the bad guy might bleed to death or at least go to the hospital and probably get arrested for murdering me,” then sure. .380 ACP is a perfectly adequate caliber. But if you want to have the ability to reliably stop an attacker without shooting him in the brain stem, you need at least 9x19mm (or .38 spl +p for revolver lovers).
Now in one respect it’s true that your caliber doesn’t matter. Odds are you’ll stop an attack just by drawing a gun or firing a shot whether it’s a hit or not. But on the other hand, if you’re banking on that you might as well be carrying blanks to eliminate the risk of you missing and hitting a bystander.
1. We are talking .380 vs your .22, so not a fair comparison.
2. I stand behind my belief that 7 rounds of.380
is an acceptable form of self defense.
3. If you are of the opinion that .380 is an inadequate caliber, I’ll shoot you once in the location of your choice. Than I get to pick the other six. We can continue this discussion after your released from the hospital.
That argument is just plain stupid. I don’t want to get stabbed with a pencil, but that doesn’t mean that a pencil is reliable to stop someobe hellbent on killing me.
All those caliber-related rules of thumb were made prior to the advent of modern ammo, when everyone was shooting ball ammo or, eventually, hollow points that didn’t expand reliably except in the more powerful calibers in ideal conditions. In 2018, quality self-defense .380 ammo is sufficient for the job. This doesn’t mean it’s as effective as larger calibers, but it doesn’t have to mean that. It passes the penetration, expansion, and wound cavity expectations that are generally agreed upon for SD use, so it’s sufficient.
“…you need at least 9x19mm (or .38 spl +p for revolver lovers).”
Didn’t we recently see ballistics that showed the .380 in pocket guns with the same muzzle energy, velocity, energy at 50feet as .38spcl?
Let me tell you fellas, I don’t want to get hit with a .380 HST hollow point, or any bullet for that matter. I have several carry calibers from .45, 9mm, and .380 depending on circumstances. The ammo being made today makes the .380 quite the capable round. Just my two cents worth.
Only if you can not shoot! I am sick of the “If you don’t carry a cannon in your pocket you will die group”! Look at the stats! More people carry smaller calibers and shoot them more accurately than larger calibers! Almost every gun expert and swat team trainer will tell you, it is more important to shoot smaller caliber well than larger caliber that you can’t hit squat with! Even one of the leading special forces trainer wrote an article about how even the most well trained shooters, shoot 9mm better than larger calibers!
That’s true, however none of the same experts recommend anything smaller than 9mm
With that reasoning 22short would be the best caliber. Just because a 22 has killing power, doesn’t mean it has stopping power
What .22 does have is high enough muzzle velocity for reliable kills at short range, near-zero recoil even in handguns allowing for rapid follow-up shots and extremely accurate shot placement, and small enough rounds that a pocket pistol still has at least the capacity of a full-size 1911 and usually more. Sorry, the caliber vs shot placement debate is probably the dumbest thing aside from clickbait articles on this blog site…
Killed eventually =! stopped in time.
Oh, another guy who says .380 isn’t enough! Have you seen the ballistic tests on any of the modern hollow point rounds? Have you seen what the new Lehigh Defense X-treme Defense or X-treme Penetrators can do? They outperform or perform equally as well as most high quality 9mm hollow points. The new Lehigh ammo is a game changer.
Why is everyone keep reinventing the Colt Mustang? Yes, this has features the others lack (night sights, better grips and front strap grip surfaces, two mags instead of one), and it is almost $100 less than a SIG P238, $300 less than the Kimber Micro, but it is still a Mustang and it is still .380. I’d rather have a 9mm EXP–if I could afford one.
I’m sure they’ll do what Glock and Sig did, release the 380 version first, milk it as much as they can, then release a 9mm version they can milk again.
Yes. It is just a revamped Mustang. So I’ll give you two unique alternatives:
The Ruger stands on its own – No further comment needed.
The Remington is… weird. Comfortable in the hand, I like the all-metal construction, but it hasn’t sold well… no idea why.
No. I’m not going to mention the Taurus TCP because it wasn’t unique… that was just a rushed-out knock off of the Ruger LCP when it took the market by storm.
Okay, fine- it works too…
Neither one is on the California Roster, never were. (The LC9 is, as is the Shield.) This gun, though, appears to have the design features necessary to allow listing if the microstamping rule goes away (and there is a good chance of that). There is a version of the SIG P238 on the list, the P938 is not (bad timing to market). Also, the Mustang is not really a 1911 design, it just looks like one; the EXP is a 1911 design. It is also on the Roster. But $1100 on sale is more than I can afford.
Re: “Remington RP380”
Did you mean “Remington RM380?” (That one exists.)
No Springfield for me either, ever…
I hope they drown in these, it would serve the FUDDS right! After that crap they pulled last year I wouldn’t touch one.
Springfield can blow it out their asses. Sellouts.
Sorry, I don’t buy Springfield.
It’s cold outside. I just came here for the flames. :O
Nope. When I get stabbed in the back I keep the knife, not hand it back so that it can be used again.
I must be Darth Adam, I only came for the hate.
Hey, Springfield Armory, why don’t you relocate to North Korea to join your fellow commies? Kim Jong Un would be proud to house a company that supports taking away Americans’ rights.
Springfield Armory : FOAD in the new year traitors!
Nope. No Springfield or RRA for me…..
Screw off Springfield Armory. You’re nothing more than a marketing company who disguises yourself as a gun manufacturer when you really lobby against gun rights.
Wow, the hate here is amazing.
That said, looks like another Springfield product I won’t buy because of their past betrayals. Sell the company to someone who really supports the 2nd and I might come back.
Springfield Armory is dead to me.
That said, this is actually the worst marketing and model name I’ve heard of since KelTec’s “drink your own urine” ad for their rifle.
“Mustang” has already been used lol.
Never understood the “high-end” .380 market. I think of cheap quality guns $200-$400 range like lcp, G42, etc. never been convinced that I need to pay $600+ for a pocket gun that’s not a revolver . Does look sharp though
I paid somewhere north of $450 for my P238 w/ Hogue grips and its proven to be a very high quality handgun to own and shoot. Not sure if I’d pay $700 for one, however.
One used arms manufacturer in need of PR makeover. Products are decent but lack direction in some cases. Willing to relocate. Management motivated.
Until we see that ad S.A. and RRA can pound it.
No, just no. Backstabbers gonna backstab.
I haven’t seen a rip off like that since Ruger ripped off the Kel Tec P3AT
I guess you missed the Sig P238 and the Kimber Micro, huh? Hell, even Colt tried to re-invent the gun (but badly and in ugly plastic).
Gee nothing much to add…I don’t”get”
380 1911’s. And I’ll NEVER get a Springfield😡
‘New’. Gnu. Knew. Niue. Gnieu.
I will never touch a POS from Springfield.
Springfield can announce blowjobs and I might line up around the block with everybody else, but I will not give them one cent.
hey, i know her!
doesn’t sound to me like you’re going first…
Dear Mr. Zimmermann,
I don’t understand why you keep trying to push trash in front of us when the overwhelming response is negative. It is neither good for TTAG’s reputation nor yours. I hope you soon realize that.
And as theyve stated many times, they post news that comes up, not just what they feel like. I get pretty tired of people complaining about it. Choose with your wallet whether or not its important to you.
Recently, the main source of trash on TTAC is the comment board.
It’s just a vocal group – the majority of gun owners either forgave or forget. I’ll buy Springfield again, and so will most gun owners.`
If that was true we wouldn’t have the 2nd anymore. We don’t forgive or forget. You literally have to die, sell your company, or go out of business. It’s people like you that preach “responsible legislation and regulations”. If you’re not from California or NYC then do us a favor and move there! That way you can’t do any damage to the rest of our rights!
I have a Colt Mustang Pocketlite, the original. Why would I buy a copy? Love my Lil’ Pony.
Is it just me, or is the Springfield 380 a re-branded sig p238?
Sorry Springfield, I no longer even consider any of your products.
in looking at shooting records, reading up on them , many people have been shot dead with one round from a 22lr revolver( although I do not know the barrel lengths involved but at lease 2 shootings they were 2 inch revolvers) some also to the 25 auto and yes, the 32 acp and 380acp have also done there share ( but these were Walther PPK sized guns) so 7 rounds of 380, up close can very well do the job. and I keep hearing more stories about granny and her 22lr handgun ending the careers of badguys ( not like she couldn’t afford the ammo to practice). shot placement, and the capasisity to make acurrate follow up shots if needed is the key. however , a more powerful firearm is not a bad thing since it does extend the range of hitting power out further if needed. but, you carry the biggist gun you can shoot well, AND PRACTICE WITH IT OFTEN . 7 rounds of 380 is going to be a lot better than 5 rounds of wounder hollow point magic bullet from the wounderlite revolver that you can’t hit anything with because of the recoil and it also hurts too much so you don’t practice.
I love it when people who would never own a Springfield announce a “boycott.”
Go buy a Glock. They have probably given literally 100 times more to antigun politicians to sell their police departments guns.
Any word on if this is DA/SA or SA only?
iirc – the sig offerings are SA only with no decocker: inrealixe this may not be a problem for all/ but not my cup of tea…..
From the looks of the trigger, I’d say this is single action only. I’m a SA/DA man myself, so I wouldn’t want this one, although I own a Taurus 380.
how is this pistol different to SigP238? why copy already existing pistol?
P238 is just a copy of the Colt Mustang . . . . . .
My ass still hurts from purchasing a Springfield EMP Contour Carry. $1150, 2 return shipments to Springfield and 2 months later it finally fired most of the time the trigger was pulled.
This is the fourth iteration of the mini-1911 in .380 (Colt, SIG, Kimber and now SA) and they all look about identical to me – it’s just the small details (sights, mostly) that differ. I got a SIG 238 years ago because it came with night sights and was priced right, would fit in a pocket holster and I just liked it (have always been a 1911 guy). For the same reasons, I also got a SIG 938. All before Kimber hit the market with their clones. IMHO, SA is a little late to the game and probably won’t do well with this new gun, especially considering the company’s less-than-sparkling reputation in gun politics. The next company to introduce a mini-1911 will probably be Remington. With a saturated market for these little pieces, prices can only come down.
I agree that they are late to the party. By way of example, I am a but of a .380 fan. However, I already have a Colt Government model (great gun, terrible sights), and a Kimber Micro 380 (all around great gun), along with some other .380’s. That being said, the Springfield brings nothing new to the table.
As far as discounting, it is already happening. I got my Kimber for just at $400 including transfer fees. This new Springfield is nowhere near that.
Your reasons for the Sig are essentially the same reasons I got my Colt .380 Government Model, and later, my Kimber Micro. The caliber debate is pointless, .380 is sufficient. Further, the 1911 style .380’s are fun to shoot, resulting in significant amounts of practice time, as Glenn, of USCCA, advocates above.
Unlike some posters above, I compliment Zimmerman for showing us what is currently on the market. Even in cases where the manufacturer is late, priced higher than much of the competition, and engages in political practices that many disapprove of. Obviously, I am not likely to purchase this pistol; bit I am glad that I am aware of it.
Great – another pistol that “woke” people of the gun won’t buy because we won’t forget what these people tried to do.
Well done Springfield. You have once again found a way to waste R&D money force your way into a market that is already glutted and populated by guns made by other companies who have been doing it better for longer.
You tried the AR game with the SAINT. Moderate success. You got Colion Noir to talk it up.
You tried the DA/SA game with the xDE. Flopped.
You’re now trying the pocket .380 game with this thing.
You are either operating on a higher plane of thought than I am capable of comprehending, or you are complete idiots.
XD-E was in glutted and overpopulated market now? If it flopped, it did so on its own accord, methinks.
I’m confused about Springfield’s new guns and what their angle is lately…I mean they introduced the XDe, essentially a hammer fired XDs, which is ok because it gives people that don’t like striker fired an option for an XD. I just wish their next announcement would have been an XDs 2.0 using the Grip Zone frame texture that the XDe has.
Instead they announce this 911…a carbon copy of not only the SIG P238 but also the Kimber Micro 380. I’m not saying this won’t be a quality firearm, because I’m sure it’ll be very nice like every SA I’ve ever handled, just don’t see the niche market needing another one.
With other companies advancing with firearm designs…I’m thinking the newly announced SIG P365 which is a very small EDC gun with specs that rival the Glock 43 and Walther PPS M2, but offering two 10 round magazines and a 12 round extended mag, and it’s only 1” wide…I see this as SA retrogressing.
Springfield is giving away 100 of these 911 guns in their EDC $150K giveaway. You can enter here: https://wn.nr/XmFX8E
Sign up by 2/28/18
Is the SA 911 California compliant?