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Smears Against America’s Gun Owners Accelerate After US Capitol Occupation

US Capitol protest riot

(AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)

In a desperate gambit to lay the blame for last week’s U.S. Capitol occupation at the feet of America’s firearms owners, gun haters are ginning up more slanderous claims aimed at prominent Second Amendment supporters.

Gun-toting freshman Congressional representative Lauren Boebert of Colorado is one who has been singled out for the anti-gunners’ smear campaign.

Boebert is being falsely accused of offering some Trump supporters a “reconnaissance” tour of the U.S. Capitol the day before the building came under siege. Her political enemies say the tour was a seditious act giving “insurrectionists” a good look art the interior of Capitol in advance of the assault…except the claim is a pathetically false.

Below is the widely circulated tweet that purports to show Rep. Boebert posing on the U.S. Capitol steps before taking that group inside, a group that Twitter users say includes Capitol Hill rioters.

The lie was caught by Will Sommer, a politics reporter for The Daily Beast, who posted proof that the “insurrectionist conspiracy” picture was more than a year old and taken more than a thousand miles from the U.S. Capitol.

In truth, the picture used to smear Boebert was taken in December, 2019 on the steps of the Colorado statehouse just after Boebert had launched her campaign for Congress. At the time the picture was taken, Boebert was a high profile gun rights activist and owner of a restaurant where the servers famously open-carry firearms.

After the Twitter user who posted the smear was publicly shamed, the offending tweet was deleted.

At the time of the crisis at the Capitol, Boebert had become a lightning rod for the anti-gun crowd when she declared that her reputation for packing heat would extend to carrying her sidearm to work each day in Congress.

Elsewhere, a New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman is also amplifying the apparently baseless claim that other “patriot sympathizer” Members gave “reconnaissance tours” the day before the Capitol was occupied.

Adding to the online blizzard of lies, slurs and accusations are posts about a DC armed takeover being planned in plain sight.

That’s because there are a handful of “armed citizen” call-out posters circulating that the left claims is a precursor to a follow-on attack timed for the days leading up to the Biden inauguration on January 20th.

This poster has been widely shared online for more than a week, with plaintive cries from Twitter users to “make sure the FBI sees this!!”.

Like many other alleged “militia call-out” posters, this one immediately set off false flag warnings.

And he was right. It turns out the graphic was ripped from a Black Lives Matter poster from last November, as seen below.

Here’s the original poster . . .

As “Magnus” notes, it reeks of a “fed plot because the colors are wrong and no one had stood up and said hey I made this.”

While intense efforts continue to conjure up armed confrontations around the country in the days leading up to January 20th, gun owners will be challenged commit to a longer view…that the campaign to demonize and subjugate the very citizens the left fears most — America’s gun owners — will not stop anytime soon.

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  1. avatar Dump Trump says:

    This failed insurrection was encouraged and fomented by President Trump along with his advisors and allies. Any blame for the fallout must be placed squarely at the feet of the President.

    1. avatar Diksum says:

      Delusional.

      1. avatar Donald J. Trump says:

        You are the reason that TTAG could be de-platformed.

        Also, you are delusional.

      1. avatar doesky2 says:

        You forgot to add with a rusty barbed wire covered baseball bat.

    2. avatar Diksum says:

      If there was an insurrection, why hasn’t anyone who was arrested charged with insurrection? Even the President.

      1. avatar LampOfDiogenes says:

        No, unfortunately, the FBI, DoJ, Capitol Police and D.C. prosecutor have all pledged to prosecute (and are in the process of arresting and prosecuting) hundreds of people for “sedition” or various euphemisms therefor. The want us in gulags, and they are willing to subvert law and the Constitution to do that.

        Unfortunately, they didn’t plan this well. Should have saved all this happy horses*** until AFTER they “rounded up all the guns” (and good luck with that, morons!).

      2. avatar Chief Censor says:

        The government already had a press conference where they said they are starting with low level charges in order to arrest the domestic terrorists quickly. They said they will file more serious charges later, all the way up to murder.

        A lot of those people who broke the law have been put on the terror watch list aka no fly list. Imagine if the NRA got what they wanted with the no fly no buy.

        I heard some people have already committed suicide over the storming of the Capitol.

        1. avatar CWT says:

          Your hypocrisy is only marginally less then the parasites in DC. All those months of burning, looting and rioting over the summer of 2020 and not a single condemnation. Now it hits close to home for you and your lowlife heroes and it’s a nonstop winge fest.

        2. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          “The government already had a press conference where they said they are starting with low level charges in order to arrest the domestic terrorists quickly.”

          Domestic terror – Is an example of that trying to seal people inside a building and then setting it on fire qualify as domestic terror?

          Isn’t attempted murder of a police officer a federal crime?

          Because we have a double standard here :

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZKN4ApXsAA-0tW?format=jpg&name=large

    3. avatar LampOfDiogenes says:

      Hey, Chump,

      Repeating an obvious and pathetic lie in a loud voice? Makes it a loud lie.

      Try to do better . . . to the extent you are capable.

    4. avatar WI Patriot says:

      There was no “insurrection”, and this protest wasn’t nearly as violent as the liberals encouraged in the last 4yrs…

      1. avatar Chief Censor says:

        Totally non violent and peaceful, just like Antifa. They only beat cops and murdered one because Trump lost an election.

        1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          It’s fascinating how they spend all this time talking about how the office was beaten (which truly is bad), but none at all about the fact that other people from the crowd where the ones defending and helping him. Nor do they mention the other office that can be seen wailing on people with his baton.

          This video is an obvious attempt to smear everyone for the actions of a few.

        2. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @EWTHeckman

          If they didn’t do anything they could have been caught up in a felony murder charge. Rioting and assault on an officer are felonies. All those people were working together in some way, thus they were responsible. That’s how common law works.

          That video is only of a single incident. There was more. Like the murder of Brian Sicknick.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          The DC federal district attorney has already said that, in addition to filing sedition and conspiracy charges, they are looking at felony murder charges.

          Clearly, those smashing their way in were working in concert, it looks like these Q&Anon supporters have qualified for serious federal prison time.

          But that is their motto, right?

          Where we go one, we go all… Straight into Supermax.

    5. avatar Rick Taylor says:

      What happened in D.C. on the 6th was not an insurrection, it was stupid beyond belief but certainly not an insurrection. There was nothing to be gained by doing it.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        The plan was to rush the house chamber, as the members and staffers fled the rioters would move into and occupy the chamber, just as they did that day.
        They knew that if they could secure and/or destroy the authentic electoral college ballot certificates from the states, they could bring the presidential election process to a halt.
        With no state certified electoral ballots, the election would be thrown back to the various state legislatures.
        This would give trump the opportunity to have 50 different lawsuits, attacking each state legislature’s process and attempting to force an immediate vote by the legislatures to select electors.
        With a majority of Republican controlled state legislatures, they would produce a plurality for Trump and award him the presidency, against the votes of 81 million Americans.
        This plan would’ve succeeded but for a group of patriotic Americans, who acted quickly to save the constitutional process.
        Senator Merkley said Senate floor staffers retained the presence of mind to gather up the electoral college ballots in their mahogany boxes and evacuate them from the house chamber before the insurrectionists could gain entry.

        May Providence bless these patriots, whose quick thinking preserved the legitimate government of the United States of America.

        1. avatar Kroglikepie says:

          No part of your delusional ranting is accurate.

          I ask, again, how you supposedly know of this grand scheme that no one else (even the ‘insurrectionists’) knew?

          The most likely answer is that you are full of shit, and you know it.

    6. avatar Texsun57 says:

      Failed insurrection? If patriots had shown up armed with aggressive intentions the capitol would have fallen. This was not an insurrection, it was exercising first amendment right of assembly and airing grievances in a mostly peaceful manner with no cars, or business damaged or burned, very unlike leftist demonstrations endorsed by the same people condemning this one. Someone tell me how it is OK for an angry mob to assemble on a couples private property in St Louis or occupy a neighborhood in Seattle, yet it is verboten for protestors to enter a public facility. The hypocrisy does not go unnoticed by the majority and either the left is that stupid or they are purposely poking the bear.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        “assemble on a couples private property in St Louis”

        You are misinformed, the street is owned by the Portland Place Association, and they filed no trespassing complaints for the actions of that day.

        1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          the street is owned by the Portland Place Association

          In other words, private property.

          Trespassing charges were filed against some of the trespassers. They were later dropped, almost certainly because those charges would undermine the pogrom against the McCloskey’s.

          Don’t you ever get tired of getting so many facts wrong so consistently so that your head gets handed back to you for your lying?

          Stop lying.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          Oh look, someone is terribly misinformed, and that would be you:

          “The city’s decision not to pursue the charges against the alleged trespassers came on the day before the summonses required them to appear in court.

          In a statement, City Counselor Mike Garvin wrote, “prosecution is not warranted against these particular individuals,” after municipal court prosecutors reviewed property records of the street as well as video of the June 28 confrontation and interviewed witnesses.

          Garvin also noted the attorney for the trustees who own the street did not wish to pursue charges.

          5 On Your Side obtained a copy of the email James Bass, the trustees’ attorney sent to city attorneys Sept. 15, which read: “As we discussed on the phone, the trustees of Portland Place have not requested that any criminal charges be filed against any of the participants as a result of the events of June 28, 2020, and are not requesting the opportunity to testify at any trial that might take place. However, if any of them are subpoenaed, they would certainly comply and testify truthfully with respect to any personal knowledge they might have, although it’s my understanding that none of the trustees witnessed the events of that evening as they transpired.”

          If you missed it because it is several words strung together and you may have a comprehension problem, here is the pertinent part:

          the trustees’ attorney sent to city attorneys Sept. 15, which read: “As we discussed on the phone, the trustees of Portland Place have not requested that any criminal charges be filed against any of the participants as a result of the events of June 28, 2020”

          If that’s too many words for you, just read this one section:

          “the trustees of Portland Place have not requested that any criminal charges be filed against any of the participants“

        3. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          “the trustees of Portland Place have not requested that any criminal charges be filed against any of the participants“

          It’s absolutely fascinating how you cite a statement proving that it was private property at issue as “evidence” that it wasn’t private property and therefore not trespassing.

          You need your head examined, troll boy.

        4. avatar Miner49er says:

          Your attempts to mischaracterize my position are laughable.

          I never said it wasn’t private property, I said it did not belong to the McCloskeys.

          I have always maintained that the street was the property of the Portland Place Association.

          And, as a matter of public record, the McCloskeys have filed sworn documents in court testifying that the streets belong to the association and not to the McCloskeys.

          That’s why they’re being charged with felonies, they brandished lethal weapons in a threatening manner without just cause and they might go to prison. But they are attorneys so I’m hopeful they can avoid hard time.

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          Thank you for (sort of) admitting your statement was incorrect.

          “Someone tell me how it is OK for an angry mob to assemble on a couples private property in St Louis”

          There was no ‘angry mob’ assembling on the McCloskey’s private property.

          That is why they are charged with felonies, they brandished deadly weapons in a threatening manner against individuals who were not on their property at the time.

        6. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          Wow. The big brass ones on you.

          Don’t believe your lying eyes. Believe lying Miner49er instead.

        7. avatar Miner49er says:

          You should accept the facts prove you wrong.

          The protesters were never on private property owned by the McCloskeys.

          And all your bluster and profanity will not change the ground truth.

        8. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          No one said “owned by the McCloskey’s” as a necessary part of trespassing. And even you can’t say that they did not step onto property that was owned specifically by them.

          The “protestors” most certainly entered private property where they had no right to be, thus they trespassed. But hey, keep on driving those goal posts all over the field so you can pretend that you’re not lying to yourself in front of the whole world.

        9. avatar Miner49er says:

          I am so glad we finally made it back around to this.

          I never said the protesters did not trespass, I said the protesters did not trespass onto the McCloskey’s private property.

          There is no provision in the law for the McCloskeys to use deadly force to oppose the trespass of another’s property.

          That’s why they’re charged with multiple felonies.

    7. avatar Debbie W. says:

      dump… Gather up your evidence peewee, hop on your tricycle and pedal up to the White House and make a citizen’s arrest…Let us know how things go…for you.

    8. avatar Ed says:

      Dump Trump, You are delusional. Go to http://www.justthenews.com and listen to the report that shows proof that the attack on the capital was planned in advance. Well before Trump made his speech. You should get your head out of your a%! and find out what really is going on.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        “the attack on the capital was planned in advance. Well before Trump made his speech“

        You’re absolutely correct, this was a long term conspiracy that was executed on January 6 to perpetuate the dictator ship of Donald Trump.

        Trump, as well as his son and Rudy, carefully chose their language to cause unjustified outrage and action by the mob.

        Trump told him that he would march with them, but of course he was lying as usual.
        He knew there would be bloodshed and as he is a coward, he went back and hid in his safe space at the White House.

        You know, if Trump had not choked and chickened out, he could have led his mob directly into the halls of Congress and probably carried out their stated desire, to hang Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi.

        You know, if Trump had not choked and chickened out, he could have led his mob directly into the halls of Congress and probably carried out their stated desire, to hang Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi.

        Unfortunately, Trump lacked the testicular fortitude and relied on others to carry out the Insurrection.

        1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          Stop lying, you pit viper.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          Eeyore, what specifically in my post do you contend is a lie?

        3. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          More evidence for you to pretend doesn’t exist:

          https://hereistheevidence.com/capitol-protest-1-6-21/

          Look at the date on the following article:

          https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/05/maga-geniuses-plot-takeover-of-us-capitol/

        4. avatar Southern Cross says:

          But a “dictatorship of the proletariat” is more preferable?

          If it was a REAL insurrection, the Capitol Building would have been burned to the ground with everyone in it.

        5. avatar Ed says:

          Miner 49er, you are a blithering idiot.

        6. avatar Miner49er says:

          That’s a great article from the Washingtonian, you bet it’s been a long running conspiracy.

          But that doesn’t somehow let Donald Trump out of his actions inciting an insurrection, as well as his son Don “fight like hell” Junior and Rudy “trial by combat” Giuliani.

          In fact, the article quoted insurrectionists speaking specifically of the plan to disrupt the presidential election deliberations by the joint houses of Congress, sedition:

          “In one discussion titled “If we occupy the capitol building, there will be no vote,”

          The plan was to disrupt the constitutional process of government by seizing and destroying the state certified electoral college ballots, throwing the election back into the state legislatures where a plurality of Republican controlled states would give the election to Donald Trump, disenfranchising over 80 million Americans.

        7. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          You are still being a damned liar. STOP IT!!!

          Donald Trump: (18:16)
          We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy. We created-

          https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

        8. avatar Miner49er says:

          Wow, that style sounds so familiar…

          “The world will not help, the people must help themselves. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it, we may wage the battle of our life The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty – of Him who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward.“

          Ja, now I remember, Berlin!

        9. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          And your style sounds like Peewee Herman, therefore…

          Sheesh, what an idiotic “comparison.”

          Apparently I was wrong. You’re not a lying viper. You’re a lying, mouth breathing idiot.

        10. avatar Miner49er says:

          Trump just wants to know why can’t we all just get along?

          “We have declared a hundred times that we wish for peace. None of us wishes to incorporate an alien people into our State, but what God has made into a people belongs to that people, and if treaties are to be sacred, then they must be sacred not only for us but for our opponents.“

    9. avatar EWTHeckman says:

      Wow! Trump is a time traveller?!? Who knew?

      Those leading the charge were planning it days ahead of time and started before Trump’s speech was over. (Plus the speech was a 45 minute walk from the Capital building.)

    10. avatar Craig in IA says:

      Anyone who believes this little dustup will be the last the nation “hears” from DJT is worse than delusional. To paraphrase a common Trumpism: What does he have to lose now?

      He’s made tremendous sacrifices in his own money, in status, reputation and nearly every other category of importance, all for the unserved people of this nation. More importantly, he has pointed out the hypocrisy of those who are supposed to be “public servants”. Our elected cretins of all parites have continually drown us in unnecessary regulation and law, only to further enrich themselves and keep the people under control by tossing a few crumbs.

      Trump, more than any politician could have, pointed out the commonality between the followers on the left, including and especially those of “minority” persuasion and those of us on the right. Not the leadership- there’s plenty of corruption to go around among those on left and the fake right, but those who are struggling to make some sort of headway against the ones who’ve used them and their plights for their own personal gains.

      It would make sense for those of us with the where-with-all to make overtures to blacks, gays, and any of the others who seem to be trying to take the nation down and gather them to support the simple rights of self protection and privately owned firearms, guns of any type that the citizen feels is necessary for their own security and safety. Trump did much better than any Republican with these “minorities” at the polls and I’m betting after a few months they’re going to realize they miss him. He delivered on his promises to them with criminal justice reform, highly increased black employment, reduced red tape for normal day to day efforts, lowered energy prices and made the US energy independent from the middle east, something we haven’t known since the late 1950s.

      it’s time to cancel out the old alliances we gun people have adhered to and seek a new covenant with the American people. To hell with waiting for Congress or the Constitution. Gather the people from all 4 corners and apply some real pressure, whatever it may take, to break us from this elected royalty.

  2. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

    Yeah, we know! Until the constitution and bill of rights get torn up, that’s what we live by.

  3. avatar WI Patriot says:

    Smear away, I have no shame…

  4. avatar NTexas says:

    ELECTORAL VOTES OK WHEN tRUMP WON IN 2016 . NOW NOT OK IN 2020 WHEN HE LOST AND THE LOSER DID LOSE EV . COULD HAVE HAD RALLY ON THE 5TH OR 7TH NO HE WANTED IT ON THE 6TH TO STOP EV COUNT BY ANY AND ALL MEANS . THAT’S WHAT MAKES HIM TRAITOR TO OUR CONSTITUTION . CENOR AND IMPEACH tRUMP .

    1. avatar De Facto says:

      Your opinion is invalid. There was no sign of any election fraud for Trump in 2016, yet Hillary demanded a recount and refused to concede. Only after the recount started showing signs of Democrat fraud did the recounts stop. Even then the Democratic party refused to accept that Trump won fairly under the rules, hence the non-stop screeching and non-stop sabotage and obstructionism for Trump’s entire term.

      2020; The election has obvious signs of fraud. Foreign countries are laughing at our joke of an election. Video footage, more ballots received than mailed, more votes than voters, poll watchers ejected and obstructed, thousands of voters “living” at PO boxes at the post office, sworn affidavits from hundreds of people (affidavits testified and witnessed under penalty of perjury) attesting to election fraud were ignored outright.

      Electoral votes were fine with a legitimate election. In 2016 Democrats were mad because they lost. They lost fairly, but refused to accept it and obstructed, smeared, and attempted to unseat Trump for his entire term. This last election was fraudulent. All petitions for redress by the injured parties have been ignored. The courts have denied lawsuits on technicalities (“Well, the law doesn’t say the poll watchers have to be close enough to see what’s going on” is perhaps the single best example of the courts abdicating their responsibility for cowardice and partisan reasons.

      Beijing Biden, The Thief in Chief, is dreaming if you think we’re going to let this go
      And you are delusional if you think we’re going to accept it and accept the tyranny that the Democrats are going to try and shove down our throats.

      You and the other liars like you (Miner, and Enuf) along with all the other the lovely paid trolls that TTAG has attracted, are complicit and share in the blame. You’re so crooked you can’t walk straight.

      So of course you love Beijing Biden, his son Crack-head McStripper-Bang, and their administration.

      1. avatar Southern Cross says:

        In 2016 the Democrats learned if you are going to commit electoral fraud, you have to be better at it and cover your tracks. 2018 was a test run. 2020’s Covid restrictions gave them the perfect storm to commit widescale electoral fraud with little to no chance of discovery. Unauthenticated mail in ballots. More ballots received than voters in a district. Mass consecutive ballots for one candidate (statistically impossible). PO Box addresses. And the classic dead voters.

        1. avatar Southern Cross says:

          And I forgot to mention the Dominion voting machines. Who owns the company controls the votes.

      2. avatar Miner49er says:

        “No sign of fraud yet Hillary demanded a recount”

        Good Lord, can you guys stop lying for five minutes?

        The recount was demanded by General Michael Flynn and Vladimir Putin‘s dinner date, Jill Stein.

        Hillary only committed to supporting the recount, she did not instigate any recount whatsoever and never filed suit for a recount.

        “Following Republican nominee Donald Trump’s presumed electoral college victory in the United States presidential election of 2016, a group of computer scientists, cyber security experts, and election monitors raised concerns about the integrity of the election results. They urged the campaign staff of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, who had conceded the campaign on November 9,[1] to petition for a recount in three key states: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.[2] When the Clinton campaign declined to file for recounts, Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein agreed to spearhead the recount effort on November 23, on the grounds that unspecified “anomalies” may have affected the election’s outcome. The Clinton team subsequently pledged to support the recount efforts “in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides.”[3][4][5] President-elect Trump and his supporters filed legal motions in all three states to prevent the recounts.“

        Your attempts to rewrite history are mildly amusing.

        1. avatar De Facto says:

          Hillary refused to concede on election night, and.. wait for it..
          https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-demands-recount-jill-193224551.html

          Lie less Miner.
          Oh wait. You’d have to stop posting.

        2. avatar De Facto says:

          And before you say “I’m trying to rewrite history”
          I’m referring to Hillary refusing to personally concede defeat the night of the election. I don’t remember what her flunkies did that night because I didn’t care then and I don’t care now.

          And the point stands that Hillary and Jill Stein both wanted a recount.
          So it’s totally fine to demand a recount, it’s constitutional to object to electoral votes being cast..
          unless it’s a Republican doing those things. Then it’s sedition, treason, and the blackest of sin.

          Get bent. It disgusts me that they pay you to post here. TTAG should have banned you years ago

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          You mischaracterize my position.

          I have never maintained it is wrong to ask for a recount, it’s perfectly with the rights of any candidate.

          But once the recount is over, and the state has certified the results, it’s done.

          And Hillary Clinton conceded less than a week after the election, even before the states certified their results she had excepted the outcome and urged her followers to do so as well:

          “9 Nov 2016 11.50 EST

          Hillary Clinton called on her supporters to accept the US election result on Wednesday, as she delivered a concession speech in New York in which she pressed Donald Trump to hold fast to American values.“

          And Hillary Clinton nor her campaign ever filed any official request for a recount in any state.

          Regardless, the issue is the violent armed insurrection staged by Trump supporters at the United States Capitol, attempting to disrupt the constitutionally mandated process of election deliberations by a joint session of the United States Congress.

          You lost, get over it and stop acting like a whiny crybaby.

    2. avatar Wake up says:

      You must really know the constitution and what it consist of better than most because last time I checked trump was more for it than Biden ever thought of being. Let’s count his minions want to take away free speech to one side there’s 1, take away right to bear arms there’s 2, take away a free and honest election there’s 3. Must I go on it obvious that the liberals don’t care about freedom or rights or the snowflakes that vote for them or they would let the evidence come out for all to see. They won’t they instead they just buy out everyone with chinas money while dumping a “pandemic” on the American people. Yep Biden for sure sounds like a better person to vote for 🙄

    3. avatar Miner49er says:

      There was no fraud, and that’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of the federal appeals court:

      “But in courts of law, where proof is required and where there are penalties for lying, they haven’t provided evidence or alleged that even one vote in Pennsylvania was deliberately cast illegally. Rather, their legal efforts have been aimed at disqualifying votes that all evidence shows were legitimately cast votes.

      As Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, said in dismissing one campaign challenge last month: “Calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

      Are you suggesting that Trump’s appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit is somehow part of the Obama/China/Italy conspiracy?

      Y’all had your day in court and choked, give it up losers

      1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

        170,800 plus more votes than voters in PA is called evidence. Citing an evidence denier (even one who is a judge) in face of clear evidence doesn’t make your obvious gaslighting any more true. He is a liar and you are a liar. And if you think we’re just going to accept your bald-faced lying, you’re a fool to boot.

        Stop. It.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          OK, as we say here in the hills, time to put up or shut up.

          What credible evidence do you have to support your claim? You made the claim, but posted no link or source, that is intellectually dishonest.

          I am happy to post a source that supports my contention that the election in Pennsylvania was indeed carried out properly:

          https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylvania/mc-nws-pa-fact-check-more-votes-than-voters-20210101-4ij6ghresrbjxkzyemtetgxoku-story.html?outputType=amp

          Show your hand, pardner.

        2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          For a “fact check” link, that was unsurprisingly short on facts, offering only adjectives (“misleading claim”, “decisive presidential win” [the very fact at issue], “obvious misinformation”,

          The only claim that got anywhere near being actual evidence was the “incomplete data” claim. Then where is the actual data? This claim? “The total number of registered voters in 2020 was just over 9 million.” Where did that number come from? Not the actual system that tracks them, because that system only said “6,760,230” more than a month after the election!

          Correction: According to the data shown, that number was from the day of the election. But also note that PA does not have same day voter registration. Voters had to be registered by October 19th.

          For that one:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-republicans-find-alarming-discrepancy-twice-the-margin-of-biden-s-victory/ar-BB1ckmZm

          Their analysis, released on Monday by state Rep. Frank Ryan and more than a dozen colleagues, found different vote counts when comparing Election Day data from counties and the Statewide Uniform Registry of Electors, or SURE, system used by Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar. They also raised suspicions about there being tens of thousands fewer votes in the presidential race than overall ballots.

          According to the GOP analysis, county election results showed 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while the SURE system indicated that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted, which is a difference of 202,377 votes. The Republicans said this 202,377 gap, coupled with 31,547 fewer presidential race votes seen in county data, amounts to “an alarming discrepancy” of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Biden and Trump.

          And for a full listing of evidence:

          https://hereistheevidence.com

          And I think it’s just about impossible for you to not have seen the video of the Georgia count where ballots were pulled from under a table after the counting had been “stopped” for the night and everyone sent home, or the project Veritas video of vote buying in Michigan.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          Thanks for the link, I actually read the article.

          That’s how I saw the part that you intentionally left out:

          “Murren said the GOP legislators “have given us another perfect example of the dangers of uninformed, lay analysis combined with a basic lack of election administration knowledge.” The spokeswoman for Boockvar said it was unclear what data was cited by the Republicans, insisting that the “only way” to determine the number of active voters from the SURE system is through the vote histories, which she stressed were not fully up to date.

          “At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler, and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters,” Murren said. “The numbers certified by the counties, not the uploading of voter histories into the SURE system, determines the ultimate certification of an election by the secretary.”

          And the courts examined this evidence as you call it, and dismissed it as unreliable.

          Even the Trump appointed federal appeals court judge said no go.

          Under the United States Constitution, the court is the forum for a redress of grievances, and at every level the courts have dismissed these BS claims.

          Just because some people don’t think it’s right, doesn’t give them some kind of power under the constitution to ignore the state and federal courts.

          I would be interested in your answer, do you believe the Trump appointed federal appeals court judge is part of the Obama/Biden/Italy conspiracy?

        4. avatar Miner49er says:

          I would be interested in your answer, do you believe the Trump appointed federal appeals court judge is part of the Obama/Biden/Italy conspiracy?

        5. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          Again, you’re still flogging your appeal to authority logical fallacy and running away from the actual evidence. It’s known to be broken thinking. Give it up already.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

          An argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument. Some consider that it is used in a cogent form if all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context, and others consider it to always be a fallacy to cite an authority on the discussed topic as the primary means of supporting an argument.

          Roots in cognitive bias

          Arguments from authority that are based on the idea that a person should conform to the opinion of a perceived authority or authoritative group are rooted in psychological cognitive biases such as the Asch effect. In repeated and modified instances of the Asch conformity experiments, it was found that high-status individuals create a stronger likelihood of a subject agreeing with an obviously false conclusion, despite the subject normally being able to clearly see that the answer was incorrect.

          Further, humans have been shown to feel strong emotional pressure to conform to authorities and majority positions. A repeat of the experiments by another group of researchers found that “Participants reported considerable distress under the group pressure”, with 59% conforming at least once and agreeing with the clearly incorrect answer, whereas the incorrect answer was much more rarely given when no such pressures were present.

      2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

        It’s fascinating how you cite the judges and assiduously avoid looking at the actual evidence. That’s a faulty appeal to authority fallacy.

        It is there. It is undeniable. The three monkey gaslighting you’re engaged in is obvious. You’re a damned liar.

        Stop. It.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          What, do I look like the court clerk?

          The United States Constitution allows citizens to petition the government for a redress of grievances, the Constitution sets up the court system as the mechanism to arbitrate these claims. The United States Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of constitutionality and has ruled on your bogus election claims.

          Over five dozen different days in court, and you have lost everyone because your side could not provide credible evidence to support their claims.

          Failing in court under the constitution, Trump and his allies tried a violent insurrection in order to disrupt the constitutionally mandated election deliberations by the joint session of Congress in the United States Capitol.

          Y’all had your day in court, 60 of them, and lost everyone.

          Then you tried a violent insurrection, and now the federal district attorney in DC will be pursuing sedition and conspiracy charges against the insurrectionists.

          I wish him Godspeed.

        2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          Throwing out cases on the basis of “standing” and “latches” is NOT looking at evidence. It’s courts refusing to look at evidence and bailing on their responsibilities.

          No valid claims can be drawn from those actions. Yet here you are, pounding your appeal to authority fallacy.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          Unlike your assertion, the fact is, many of these cases were thrown out because the evidence was lacking. Specifically, in Pennsylvania, that’s exactly what the Trump appointed judge ruled:

          “As Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, said in dismissing one campaign challenge last month: “Calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

          No mention of standing or laches (delay), the reason for dismissal was a lack of “specific allegations and then proof”.

          Friend, it is not up to you or any other group of people to rewrite the courts’ rules of procedure and evidence.

          Again, are you claiming a Trump appointed federal appeals court judge is part of the Obama/Biden/Italy conspiracy?

        4. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          Almost every single one was thrown out with a “we don’t wanna” excuse.

          I’ll give you this, you certainly love your logical fallacy more than Truth.

          Does it keep you warm at night?

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          Relying on the decisions of judges in 60 different courts is not an appeal to authority, it’s American jurisprudence.

          Many of you folks seem to have a fuzzy view of logical fallacies.

          Most of the posters on this forum consider themselves Christians, a religion based entirely upon an appeal to archaic authorities, faith is totally invalid as a means to finding truth.

          I would be interested in your answer, do you believe the Trump appointed federal appeals court judge is part of the Obama/Biden/Italy conspiracy?

        6. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          It’s time to let a lawyer make his case (mostly about the Texas suit):

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLOnboT5lkY

          He rails on the “Pontius Pilate” rulings a lot more strongly in longer streams. But it should be pretty clear how bad it is.

          And again, you’re pounding “authority” over “evidence”. You’re lying.

        7. avatar Miner49er says:

          I know this is a little complex for you so will take it slow.

          “the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument”

          No, the courts opinion is not evidence, it’s judgment.

          You see, a court of law considers the evidence with the authority vested within the court by the United States Constitution, then issues a judgment based on the merits of the evidence.

          Under the constitution, there is no provision for these questions to be up for debate with Rando people on the inter-webs.

          The United States Constitution vests the authority to decide these questions within the Judiciary branch, under the supreme authority of the… Supreme Court.

          Now, you can argue all you want about your logical fallacies, but I live under the authority of the United States Constitution and it is no fallacy.

        8. avatar Miner49er says:

          Really, y’all should give it up.

          The United States Supreme Court has considered these questions, and kicked them to the curb unanimously.

          You silly twits blew it, you got your Kraken kicked in court.

          “Supreme Court Rejects GOP Bid To Reverse Pennsylvania Election Results

          December 8, 20204:57 PM ET
          Barbara Sprunt 2017 square
          BARBARA SPRUNT

          The U.S. Supreme Court has turned back an effort to reject Pennsylvania’s election results.
          Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images
          Updated 6:30 p.m. ET

          The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected an effort to overturn the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, signaling the high court would not go along with President Trump’s unprecedented efforts to win another term despite a decisive defeat in the popular vote and Electoral College.

          The lawsuit was brought by Republican Rep. Mike Kelly, who argued a 2019 state law authorizing universal mail-in voting is unconstitutional and that all ballots cast by mail in the general election in Pennsylvania should be thrown out.

          “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice [Samuel] Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied,” said the court’s one-sentence order, which did not suggest any dissent among the nine justices.

          Kelly, along with several others, filed the lawsuit on Nov. 21 and requested Pennsylvania either reject the more than 2.5 million ballots cast by mail or allow state lawmakers to select presidential electors. Republicans control Pennsylvania’s Legislature.

          The state Supreme Court unanimously dismissed the lawsuit on Nov. 28, saying the GOP had waited too long to challenge the law.“

          This is the United States of America, under the United States Constitution the Supreme Court of the United States of America is the ultimate arbiter of every dispute under law.

          So y’all tried an insurrection, which will result in hundreds, if not thousands, of Trump supporters in the federal pen.

          It is what it is.

  5. avatar Miner49er says:

    So public opinion worked, the fake tweet was pointed out and deleted.

    Just as it should be, fake news removed from social media platforms.

    Now regarding possible aid to the insurrectionists by providing reconnaissance opportunities and real time targeting information, that’s another matter.

    A question to ask, would the reporters of this behavior have the professional knowledge to correctly evaluate an intelligence operation by the insurrection teams.

    Let’s look at the qualifications of one of the legislators who is reporting their suspicions:

    “After graduating from the United States Naval Academy in 1994, Congresswoman Sherrill spent almost 10 years on active duty in the United States Navy. She flew missions throughout Europe and the Middle East as a Sea King helicopter pilot, worked on the Battle Watch Floor in the European Theater during the Iraq invasion, and served as a Flag Aide to the Deputy Commander in Chief of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet. Congresswoman Sherrill also served as a Russian policy officer and worked on the implementation of our nuclear treaty obligations and oversaw the relationship between the U.S. Navy and Russian Federation Navy.

    Congresswoman Sherrill attended law school after leaving the Navy in 2003, earning a degree from Georgetown University. She worked as a lawyer and eventually joined the U.S. Attorney’s Office in New Jersey.”

    Looks like this one might know what she’s looking at

    1. avatar Ing says:

      Bullshit. The fake news process proceeds unimpeded.

      These claims from Democratic politicians are just as baseless as the first one — but because they’re coming from people in a position of power, they amplify the message. And crucially, unlike the first, they include no evidence that can be verified.

      People who disregarded the first claim will do exactly what you did. When they hear it repeated by someone who “might know what she’s looking at,” they start to believe it.

      And the lie never dies.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        No, it sounds like there is a reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing based on the observations of qualified individuals.

        I’m sure they will be a thorough investigation, gathering evidence and witnesses, and we’ll have a report in a couple months that may give us the details we are all interested in learning.

        Until then, please feel free to whine and cuss, as the adults in the room move forward with protecting America.

        1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

          haha qualified individuals.
          yeah, the investigation… just like the one into all of the nefarious activities promulgated by your heroes these last twelve years. what the media suppresses far far outweighs all this nonsense.
          why are you in the room again, pedo?

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          This observer attended the United States Naval Academy, then Georgetown university law school and has experience as a federal prosecutor.

          What law school did you attend?

    2. avatar EpsteinDidNOTKillHimself says:

      As of this posting, Congresswoman Sherrill has only made an unspecified accusations of lawmakers bringing groups through the Capitol for reconnaissance the day prior, on a Facebook video.
      Has she provided any evidence to the FBI has yet to be seen or determined.

      There seems to be a lot of accusations going around, but no evidence there of.
      Yet people blindly are willing to believe something that yet to be proven as fact.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        No, it sounds like there is a reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing based on the observations of qualified individuals.

        I’m sure they will be a thorough investigation, gathering evidence and witnesses, and we’ll have a report in a couple months that may give us the details we are all interested in learning.

  6. avatar JOHN THAYER says:

    When the PEOPLE fear the GOVERNMENT there is TYRANNY.

    When the GOVERNMENT fears the PEOPLE there is LIBERTY.

    When you need 20,000 armed troops to protect you FROM the people it’s because you are not REPRESENTING the people.

  7. avatar Idaho Boy says:

    There are good liars on both sides.

    1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      spud missile peg boy.

  8. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

    OK, I think I found out how they are gonna go after MSRs, and get away with it.

    Read this :

    “Still, Biden and his allies in Congress can accomplish an awful lot through a process called budget reconciliation. The Senate filibuster means that a bill typically requires 60 votes to move forward. With only 50 Democratic senators (plus tie-breaker Vice President-elect Kamala Harris), that’s a nearly insurmountable barrier. But the budget reconciliation process exempts certain legislation that primarily affects taxes and spending from the filibuster, meaning the 50 Senate Democrats can pass it on their own.”

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22217054/joe-biden-senate-majority-budget-reconciliation

    By throwing MSRs onto the NFA, that allows them to add it to a budget reconciliation bill, and pass it with 50 votes plus Harris.

    EDIT – Maybe not. In further reading, I found this :

    “The basics of the Byrd Rule are that reconciliation bills cannot change Social Security, or have merely “incidental” effects on spending/revenue, or increase deficits after 10 years. There are a couple of other limitations as well, but those are the major ones. In other words, reconciliation can be used for spending and taxing, but usually not for pure regulation or legal changes. If the main effect is not budgetary, it’s not reconcilable.”

    15 million MSRs taxed at 200 bucks is (I think), 300 million dollars. In the overall scheme of things, 300 mil may arguably be incidental…

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      I hope they try and throw MSRs into the NFA.

      Keep overreacting, keep feeding the fire. All they will have done is influence people to the side of freedom.

      Now, if creepy joe and his minions were smart, they are not, they would let things calm down for the next year.

      Instead, Pelosi doubled down and decided impeachment of a very popular president for a 2nd time was a wise move. She just made impeachment a joke.

      So many politicians talking trash, massive hyperbole, and drama queens on steroids.

      Let it get worse and worse. Maybe DSS will take gun owners children into custody because reasons.

      1. avatar anarchyst says:

        “Ex Post Facto” laws are illegal. However, if ((they)) attempt to put MSRs into the NFA, they will have to offer an “amnesty”, just as what was implemented for 30 days in 1968. Imagine the number of M1919A4s and Thompsons presently residing in peoples’ attics that could be “resurrected” and “made legal” under such a scheme.
        In addition, under an “amnesty”, the $200 “tax” is waived.
        ((Their)) NFA push might not have the results that they intended.

  9. avatar Jim Warren says:

    The only firearm victim at the Capitol was an unarmed woman shot by a police officer. If you’re going to apply gun control, apply it where it’s needed.

  10. avatar Randy Jones says:

    Boebert, God bless her. Several butt-heads went to Nancy trying to get it so she couldn’t carry in the capitol. The over twice as many went to Nancy telling her not to interfere. Then there was one Congressman who commented after the invasion that he was comforted that he knew there were several folks in that ‘secure room’ that were packing iron. Which means three things. Odds are most folks in there didn’t know he or others were strapped, they know it’s called ‘concealed carry’ for a reason and not all of our Congressmen are anti-gun idiots.

  11. avatar hawkeye says:

    Boebert is a real firebrand. The leadership from both sides will attempt to force a bit into her mouth so they can control her. I hope she can avoid the siren song of power, and keep spitting that bit out at their feet. May her tribe increase.

  12. avatar David says:

    These gun grabbers share a common tactic also used by animal rights extremists from groups like Peta (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) and the HSUS (Humane Society of the United States). They feel the end justifies the means, which leads them to lie! Something else — they’re also almost always Democrats ie. bleeding heart Liberals with a tenuous grip on their emotions!

  13. avatar Jim says:

    Here’s a radical thought. Let’s quit allowing anti-2nd Amendment gun grabbers have exclusive control of the mic! We’ve all got voices. SPEAK UP!

  14. avatar Hannibal says:

    Yeah it’s a shame a large segment of the pro 2nd community decided to drink kool-aid and support a conman wanna-be dictator who spent his life as a democrat and then instituted more gun control than obama.

    1. avatar Miner49er says:

      Shhhh… You’ll rile up the monkey cage and then they’ll start throwing poop at you.

      1. avatar My name here says:

        Ok, that was funny.

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