By Lee Williams
The Left Coast’s most petulant potentate, Guvnor Gavin Newsom, usually gives not a single farthing for the goings on of we common folk, especially after a particularly rowdy bunch tried to usurp his reign through a well-organized recall effort, which nearly cost him the throne as well as time spent feasting at the French Laundry.
However, Sir Gavin took umbrage with a recent decision by the Supreme Court, so he proclaimed that the best way to teach these pesky justices a lesson was by flogging California’s commoners, yet again, with his favorite cat-o-nine-tails…gun control.
To be clear, Newsom is outraged that the justices let stand a Texas law, which allows private citizens to enforce an abortion ban, so he has threatened to punish his own people with a law empowering Californians to enforce a ban on homebuilt firearms, parts kits and “assault weapons.”
“If states can now shield their laws from review by the federal courts that compare assault weapons to Swiss Army knives, then California will use that authority to protect people’s lives, where Texas used it to put women in harm’s way,” Newsom proclaimed in a hasty press release Saturday night. “If the most efficient way to keep these devastating weapons off our streets is to add the threat of private lawsuits, we should do just that.”
In other words, the Governor of California thinks more gun control may force the justices to reconsider their opinion of a Texas abortion law.
Newsom’s petulance knows no bounds. It’s as though decades of strong hair tonics and powerful pomades have addled his wits.
Halfway through the weekend press release, Newsom apparently realized he lacks the sole authority to issue imperial decrees.
“I have directed my staff to work with the Legislature and the Attorney General on a bill that would create a right of action allowing private citizens to seek injunctive relief, and statutory damages of at least $10,000 per violation plus costs and attorney’s fees, against anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells an assault weapon or ghost gun kit or parts in the State of California,” his statement reads.
Clearly, the haircut-who-would-be-king is struggling for attention and relevancy. The one-time presidential contender is now the butt of too many jokes, most of which are uncomfortable and true. California isn’t the workers’ paradise it purports to be. Businesses and residents are voting with their feet and leaving in droves.
The hasty weekend memo says a lot about how Newsom thinks and reacts under pressure – immediately defaulting to more gun control as if it’s no big thing. Unfortunately, it says a lot about many Californians, too, and their willingness to tolerate this ongoing abuse of their God-given constitutional rights.
Some folks have written off California in terms of gun rights, which isn’t fair. There are many good people and active gun-rights groups operating there behind the lines. If history has taught us anything, it’s that ultimately, freedom will prevail. We saw that in the former Soviet Union and its satellite states. We will see that in California, too.
Mad King Newsom of the Golden State cannot reign forever. All it will take is a group of souls who have grown tired of the type of tyranny exemplified in this case, where one man can impose harsh new rules on law-abiding gun owners just to garner a few headlines and make a political point.
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California isnt the workers paradise it used to be.
People are moving in droves.
What a plan, get rid of the people that lived there for years demanding higher wages and replace them with immigrants that will work for 35 cents an hour.
And in the words of Gavin, “where ‘ya gonna go?”
the reason those former California workers continually demanded more pay is because of the government in that state enacting laws, regulation, prohibitions, taxes, that raised the overal cost of running a business to ever more stratospheric levels thus increasing the cost of living and all goods in their state. Leave wages the same with such radical cost increses, same as a paycut. But the Gabbling Nuisance never could figure that out, in keeping with his several immediate predecessors.
Yeah, right. Just go to the local Home Depot and try to pick up one of those “immigrants” to help you work on your landscaping or bathroom remodel. They’ll quote you $50/hr then either stop when half the work is done because “the work was harder than expected” and demand more or worse, fake an injury and sue you.
Noisome claims to be a victim of gun violence, and as such, has an abiding hatred of all things GUN. The state has gone after kit manufacturers before, somewhat successfully I believe, at least as to 80% lowers. However, if he thinks he can ban all parts, I think that even the Ninth would think that would be a step too far, since it would prevent owners of legal firearms from maintaining or modifying them. Further, California has legal, registered “assault weapons” (which are severely restricted) that cannot be within the scope of the law, as sell as any number of unregistered “featureless” rifles that do not meet the definition of an “assault weapon” as defined by statute. Although it is true that the State Legislature has been attempting to eliminate all black rifles for years, I don’t think that this way will be successful. If it is, there will be a glut of used rifles on the market a year from now.
Go to your local hardware store, ask the clerk to open up the rattle can locker, select an assortment of varying colours, take them home, and paint your rifle somecolour other than black.
Dave Rubin of the Rubin report has announced he is moving out of California. That is called freedom of choice.
“Why I’m Joining the California Exodus & Leaving California”, video 50 min long.
What kind of self important asshole makes an announcement like this. Hey, Mr. Rubin, here’s some advice for you: Nobody cares. Typical modern day right winger/Nazi who thinks he’s far more relevant than he really is. I can’t stress how much of an irrelevant sock sniffer he is. It’s good you’re leaving, no one here will miss you. I oity whatever town this hate filled, low life grifter decides to pollute with his presence.
Which poster here regularly uses the word “Capitalvania?”
I wonder … ?
Again, we almost didn’t recognize you without the cartoon face, Lil ‘d.
Only speaks differently from lil’ d. I think it’s a different person. Plus, lil’ d likes taking credit for his contributions.
Dude we have had a few similar trolls that very well could be the same crazy who picks up a new name every so often. Message stays basically the same but format changes a bit so could be the same one or could just be a loopy similarity and we have a few different trolls that post till they get bored. Either way liberty and people enjoying it seem to get under their skin so let them rant.
Gee, dacian the stupid and demented (pick a handle and stick with it, moron), who would make such a personal announcement!?!?!?! Uhm, let’s see – Madonna, Alec Baldwin, Cher, Alyssa Milano, and about a hundred other Leftist/fascist idiots . . . kinda like SLIGHTLY more intelligent versions of you. Rational people’s reaction is “Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya”. If you all Leftist/fascist idiots would haul your keisters out of KKKalifornia, we could return that socialist s***hole to an actual, functional state again. And not having to deal with the likes of you (and smarter, but still stupid, versions thereof) would be a blessing for people possessed of above-room-temperature IQs and some vague relationship with reality. Start a “GoFundMe”; I’ll even kick in a few shekels. Oh, and promise never to visit this forum again.
Those are the same kind of comments I hear from the “anointed: every time some major company like Toyota or even a smaller company like Tesla move out of state.
A little known law is about to take effect in the the State of Californiacation pig meat that is not made from happy pigs is going to be banned. That’s right, we all are going to become halal or kosher whether or not we follow those tenets. No pig meat in the state unless the grower can certify that his pigs are happy pigs according to regulation laid down by Pig Lovers of America or some other nut job organization. Do I detect the bloody hand of Human Society of America or whatever those animal killers call themselves?
You thought there was a thundering herd leaving the state last year. As soon as folks are unable to buy pork chops or bacon or ham for Easter the folks leaving will resemble a 19th century bison stampede.
A relative recently moved out of state. There are no one way trailers or trucks in California for rent anywhere in Californication. He had some items he didn’t want to leave to the tender mercies of the movers and wound up dangerously overloading his pickup and van in order to move out of state. He made it safely after some adventures not having to do with the overloaded situation.
If all the idiots who voted not to recall were the only ones paying the price, it would be comical, but………
But it is like many NY elections in the populated areas…………or Philly for that matter.
As much as I want to leave I can’t, yet.
Do praytell…It sounds like sir gavin is sleeping with the court jester beto o’rouke.
I doubt they will be sleeping when they are together.
I would not cry of the house in which they were cavorting was levell3d by some strange earthquake.
“If history has taught us anything, it’s that ultimately, freedom will prevail.”
“Ultimately” is quite the vague term. If we define “free” as having the equivalent of 2A, most of Europe would fail the test.
“Mad King Newsom of the Golden State cannot reign forever. All it will take is a group of souls who have grown tired of the type of tyranny exemplified in this case.’
A/O 2020, there were ~10 million registered Dims, and ~5 million registered Repubs. Assuming each Republicrat is an avid 2A defender, put any pro-2A measure forward, and it will be crushed. There is no “group of souls” who can overcome that voter balance.
Given the current article, one wonders why 2AF is overlooking the Newsome recall election as the canary in the coal mine?
Pinning your hopes on millions of Democrats having some sort of epiphany at some undetermined point in the future doesn’t sound like a coherent strategy.
“Pinning your hopes on millions of Democrats having some sort of epiphany at some undetermined point in the future doesn’t sound like a coherent strategy.”
Makes one wonder why SAF wrote the article at all. Perhaps it was intended to encourage gun owners in Califoricatia that somehow, someway, someday the wave of wins in other states will slide across the borders with America?
“If history has taught us anything, it’s that ultimately, freedom will prevail. We saw that in the former Soviet Union and its satellite states. ”
How many decades did it take, and where are they now?…..not so free again.
And, there will soon be no America to be the shining city on the hill for the world to look up to.
Be Prepared !!!
Yeah, it does kinda look like Russia is preparing to restart the Soviet Union, here in the next few months. Gotta hurry, strike while the Biden is hot!
Why, oh why, is my state’s governor always in front of the cameras making us all look bad? Just when I think Peak Stupidity has been achieved in Mordor, he opens his mouth and more nonsense comes forth.
‘Twas in the darkest depths of Mordor
I met a girl so fair
But Gollum, and the evil one
Crept up and slipped away with her
Her, her, yeah
Ain’t nothing I can do, no
I guess I’ll keep on…
Gavin is right to challenge the potential precedent. If it stands, then any state can use it to skirt the Constitution (which is why I hope the Texas laws will eventually be struck down) for any popular reason. If it fails, then his point has been made and perhaps politicians will think twice before playing stupid games.
The only point Newsome is making is: “guns bad, abortion good. Please send money.”
Or, for the sake of brevity, “Please send money.”
the abortion rule affecting Texasnow is NOT an end-run round the Constitution. READ the court releases. ALL that court is saying is that the issue of murdering unborn children does not fall under the purview of FedGov’s few, limited, and named powers documented in the US Constitutioin. Thus FedGov cannot prohibit Texas from placing these limits on the action in question.
and THAT is preciesly where the Gabbling Nuisance will come up short as he tries to out-chest-bump the Feds. You see, our INDIVIDUAL right to ARMS is clearly and specificlly noted in the US Constition which eveyr state in the union has ratified and incorpprated to themselves as the supremen law of the land. In other words, he is comparing apples to lemons. Not the same ballgame at all. som No , Mr. Nuisance, you will NOT succeed n enacting any “law” that will pass muster as actionable under the US Constitution.Being specifically named and protected within the US Conastituion, no state government can remove it.
There you go, ignoring the Ninth Amendment again. Are you sure you not a living Constitution lefty?
The Federalists contended that a bill of rights was unnecessary. They responded to those opposing ratification of the Constitution because of the lack of a declaration of fundamental rights by arguing that, inasmuch as it would be impossible to list all rights, it would be dangerous to list some and thereby lend support to the argument that government was unrestrained as to those rights not listed. James Madison adverted to this argument in presenting his proposed amendments to the House of Representatives.
Abortion before the quickening was legal in the United States at the time of ratification.
So saya an originalist
Done fighting from within. Like the company I work for, Newsollini has run me off. Retiring in March 2020 and will be out of the state no later than April. Since my vote no longer counts within the state, I’ll take my wallet to a much favorable state.
2022. Damn fat fingers.
At some point we are all just going to have to start ignoring illegal laws.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
like WooFlew mandates?
I left Kahleefornia over a decade ago, after seventeen years and a well paying career. The place really became a joke when Ahhnuld was elected governor. I remember listening to John and Ken on LA radio and they voted for him.
I didn’t. I voted for Tom McClintock.
The place really started to go down hill with the fake Republican in office. Or maybe Ahhhnuld is a real Republican. Maybe that’s why the country is in such a crappy state: Republicans that don’t do anything when elected.
I clearly remember the run up in housing prices in the mid 2000s. My wife and I looked at each other and said “this isn’t going to end well.” We cashed out and moved to Red America. Bought a literal estate of many acres with what we got for a 2500 square foot house in Southern California.
Most of the smart, enterprising people have left that s*hole. The last are leaving now. The state is going to be nothing but the mega wealthy and drug addicts (in many cases they are one and the same). I haven’t been back since I moved. The only things I miss are the weather (the best in the world), and the physical geography (it’s a beautiful state).
It’s really a f*ing shame how the progs have destroyed that place. A real f*ing shame.
So Commiefornia is going to he!!. Ho hum…
Same here. I voted for McClintock, even with extended family angrily telling me I was wasting my vote by not opting for the Governator.
Our decline began with Davis, went off course with the Fake Republican from Austria, struck the iceberg with Brown Redux, and is now taking on water under Newsom. Plenty of people have left, and many of us who remained continued the good fight from within. But the cheating is so pervasive now, I must finally admit (after an entire lifetime here as a native Californian) that it is doomed.
The wife and I will be visiting Idaho next year to start scoping out the landscape. We have several friends who recently left SoCal for ID, including two more families within just the past few weeks, so we’ll have some familiar faces to greet us.
Get out before the property market crashes again. In other words, ASAP. The house we sold in La Canada declined by almost half after the bubble burst in 2008-9.
I hear you. My wife’s parents’ home was market valued at $1.6 million in 2007. I tried to persuade them to sell, but they thought it would go even higher to perhaps $2 million. Three years later, when they refinanced, it was appraised at only $680K. Took all this time just to inch back up to $1 million. I’ve tried recently to convince them to sell (again), but they’re insistent that it’ll continue upward and be $1.5 million again soon. They’re in their 80s now and have all their retirement hopes in the equity of that house. So sad…some people just won’t listen.
As for my home, I own it outright and owe no debts to anyone anywhere, but Mrs. Haz and I are beginning to have serious discussions about making major changes in the first half of 2022. Her employer (where she’s worked most of her adult life) will be retiring and shuttering the business by next Christmas, so that will be one less tie to our local area. But I have an excellent job, and we have an excellent church with many friends. Not an easy decision.
Newsom’s making it a wee bit easier every day, though…what a maroon….
If you allow your wife to work into her late 50s even though all the debts are paid, you are a lousy husband and an even lousier man/family leader.
Why would ANYONE still live in the Kommiefornia cesspool. Makes as much sense as Hannity whining about NY while STILL squating in THAT cesspool.
Move NOW – there are jobs everywhere in this nation for people that will show up and work.
“market valued at $1.6 million in 2007. I tried to persuade them to sell, but they thought it would go even higher to perhaps $2 million. Three years later, when they refinanced, it was appraised at only $680K“
Yes, the Cheney/Bush recession cost folks trillions in devalued assets.
“The wife and I will be visiting Idaho next year to start scoping out the landscape.”
You won’t believe yourself when you tell friends in any of the lower states, “the high for today will be -23.” .
There are no cities in ID, only towns, townships, and place names. Oh, how I miss my four winters in Minot, ND.
Riii-i-i-ght! It took me a major part of the day just to prepare to go outside into a -120 degree chill factor to service my airplane on the bomber alert pad at Minot AFB, how I miss it now that I’m 30 years retired in Austin! Not. Last winter we suffered “The great blizzard of ’21”, where the temperatures dropped all the way down to 20! For a couple days before it was back in the 60’s. And we had a couple inches of real snow, first in decades!
I am not sure if Idaho is such a great place to escape to? Has it gone the way of Montana and Colorado yet? If not, it could be a great place to go to. Both MT and CO were formerly nice states until stupid liberal Californians moved there en mass some 30 years ago, and have since wrecked what used to be nice states. They were just smart enough to figure out socialism did not work in CA, but were too damned dumb to leave it behind, and decided to “try it again” somewhere else. Which is sad, because I know a lot of nice Californians that have escaped, and wished the stupid liberals stayed where they were. I hope you get lucky, though, and find a nice area with like-minded people.
yes, the run up in home prices in the naughts was amusing. but a good part of that “value” was only percieved value, and prices dropped after no one could float a loan for a hundred thousand dollar house even with one fifty K down. Yes, prices crashed pretty hard. Those that bought near the peak of the wave had to hold on. Of course, now those same paces are double the peak of 2008.
I was photographing real estate for sale in my area, and chuckled a lot when I watched California refutgees who cashed out their So Cal dingbat tract houses like the one I lived in when I was a kid down there.. we bought it for $12,500 new. “Worth” $750K fortyyears later. Folks were dumpping those dumps coming here and buying two story 2500 sf single family homes on five acre patches wiht barn, garage, garden, horse stalls, the lot, for $150 to $200K. They retired up here, cashing out their “new” homesand plopping $400K in their savings accounts. They figured they could live for twenty years without lifting a finger. I bought a well worn but solid 1900sf home on five acres in the same area for $47,500 in 1990. County now says its worth $360K. Wonder what they’re smoking up on that hill they occupy.
As they overpay and drive up the market for the locals. While 2min later ruining the local area by recreating what they left. GREAT
The second and a half ammendment states.
The right to kill your baby shall not be Infringed .
You wouldn’t believe (or maybe you would) the butthurt that ensued when I pointed out that our company’s charitable donation for Christmas probably shouldn’t go to Planned Parenthood.
The second it was suggested that our company publicly supporting an abortion provider would be morally objectionable to many people they work with, out came the claws. Dozens of local and regional charities that need help, but all these women were fixed on the idea that a behemoth that ends human lives and has annual revenue of $2.1 billion was in desperate need of support from a private company less than half its size. (Toys for Tots? Local food banks? The regional children’s hospital? Bah! Unworthy!)
“You wouldn’t believe (or maybe you would) the butthurt that ensued when I pointed out that our company’s charitable donation for Christmas probably shouldn’t go to Planned Parenthood.”
Humans are a murderous lot.
When you weaponize the courts in an attempt to skirt the law of course it is going to blow up in your face when the other side does the same thing against one of your own sacred cows.
This was entirely predicable. Which makes me wonder how my state legislature could be this stupid. At best, this law is going to get thrown out, but only after wasting millions of dollars. At worst, it stands, and then the rich have another legal tool to attack their enemies (as if they needed another).
I’m reminded of something a friend of mine told me about the Texas legislature. He said, we don’t send our best, and brightest to our legislature. Instead, we send our most despicable, most idiotic, and most short sighted citizens to represent us. The people not quite criminal enough to be in jail, not mentally defective enough to be institutionalized, not stupid enough to have flunked out of school, and since the damn Supreme Court outlawed exile, we can’t exile them to Oklahoma anymore. So instead we send them to our capitol, and every two years we fall to our knees before almighty God, and pray they don’t screw us over worse this session than they did the last session.
“When you weaponize the courts…”
How is it Texas weaponized the courts? And which courts?
Every private law suit has to go through “the courts”. “The courts” in Texas have original jurisdiction of civil suits.
“Which makes me wonder how my state legislature could be this stupid”.
I think Texas made a genius move (a big gamble, for sure, but smart). Texas is already the first in courts. The new law is designed to fail, so that Dim-controlled states cannot use weaponized laws to limit/abolish the 2A.
Do you think the Dims are/were too dumb to think of making it possible for individuals to privately sue gun owners and the gun industry in an “end run” around the constitution?
The “end run” around the constitution is the bread and butter of the Leftists/liberals/authoritarians. (sorry for the redundancy) Has been for generations.
“How is it Texas weaponized the courts? And which courts?”
The law empowers random people to sue people/organizations for doing things that are not illegal, and created a bounty for it. They are claiming that since the state will not be enforcing the law, but random citizens, you can’t stop the state from doing it. This means that any state can make a law covering anything, and empower citizens who have the time, and money to go after their opponents in court, and there is no legal way to stop it.
It is basically giving even greater power for states to call on their citizens to launch frivolous lawsuits, just like what the gun industry dealt with in the early 2000s.
You don’t actually have to win a lawsuit to make a difference. You just have to cause the victim to waste so much money that they capitulate, and that is exactly what people/cities were trying to do to the gun industry.
“I think Texas made a genius move (a big gamble, for sure, but smart). Texas is already the first in courts. The new law is designed to fail, so that Dim-controlled states cannot use weaponized laws to limit/abolish the 2A.”
So you are saying that this idiotic law about abortion is designed to fail. Maybe you should tell some of the people here about that, since they seem to think that this is a just action.
Do you have any evidence to support this position? Because it sounds like an excuse for this stupidity.
“Do you think the Dims are/were too dumb to think of making it possible for individuals to privately sue gun owners and the gun industry in an “end run” around the constitution?”
As I wrote before, I have been telling anti-gun people that they need to stop weaponizing the courts, because one day someone is going to come up with an idea for how to take on abortion or similar. Texas just beat them to it.
However, you can’t expect the other side of a debate to be any more reasonable than your own side. After all, if you think that your side is the most reasonable one, then that means your side sets the bar for “reasonableness”.
Given that, the only way for things to improve is for your side to stop pushing things, and call for a “disarmament”.
If you want to complain about what the “left” is doing, then stop using “their” tactics. Otherwise, you must expect them to push things even further downward, which will then be met with your side claiming that we need to match them, and thus the high bar gets lowered again, and again, and again.
“Weaponizing the courts” is so very different from saturating the courts, or overwhelming the courts; not the same at all. “Weaponizing” the courts would be a situation where the courts selectively, and almost exclusively make decisions that obviously favor one political ideology or the other.
Next, politics is a full body contact sport. Don’t think for a moment that the Dims were not scheming to find a way to so burden gun ownership that gun owners would give up on their “gun culture”, would be so disheartened they will/would stop voting for “pro-gun” legislative measures.
Whether the contested legislation supports abortion or not, it is an amazing tactical move: the “pro-life” constituency sees Texas supporting the “pro-life” movement, while serving a dual purpose of possibly choking-off an avenue of attack for the anti-gun mafia. The risk is if the Texas law survives all the legal challenges, that victory would be Pyrrhic, enabling the Dems to use the tactic against Republicrats for innumerable purposes.
Being first to court keeps the Dems reacting in both directions. The downside to the Texas gambit is that to win on defending the Second Amendment, the resolution of the war over abortion must lose the current battle. But a loss to the pro-life movement isn’t permanent. A loss to the anti-gun might actually be permanent: the court system overall is sympathetic to the anti-gun cabal. Once the individual enforcement tactic is established as legitimate, the pro-2A movement would be losers ever after.
As the FPC article pointed out, the fight is not over “abortion rights”, but over a legal tactic that could be catastrophic to gun owners, and the power of “the people” to enforce their rights against government.
I have no inside information. I’ve been involved in political activity for over 50yrs. The enemies of America never stop trying to put an end to it. And, I fully understood what the FPC article was all about.
“The enemies of America never stop trying to put an end to it“
Man, you can say that again…
“Funny that the National Guard was ‘delayed’ when clearly the Capitol police were being overwhelmed by folks lied to about ‘election fraud’ and possibly thought they would be protected.
“Mr. Meadows sent an email to an individual about the events on January 6 and said that the National Guard would be present to ‘protect pro Trump people’ and that many more would be available on standby,”
> “Weaponizing the courts” is so very different from…
weaponize, verb: to adapt for use as a weapon
I’m reminded of this quote; “How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” -Samuel Adams
Stop trying to force your definition onto me, especially when I am using the dictionary definition.
> Next, politics is a full body contact sport.
No, it really isn’t. At least, it isn’t if both sides don’t decide it must be that way.
Again, if you think that your side is the most reasonable one, then that means that your side sets the high bar. That being the case, the responsibility for lowering that bar falls on you, and your side.
Stop lowering the bar.
> Whether the contested legislation supports abortion or not, it is an amazing tactical move: … The risk is if the Texas law survives all the legal challenges, that victory would be Pyrrhic, enabling the Dems to use the tactic against Republicrats for innumerable purposes.
An “amazing tactical move” whose best case scenario is a total defeat in the courts, and Texas wasting millions of dollars, for a case that undoubtedly would have been thrown out regardless, but whose worst case scenario includes an almost total strategic defeat.
It is rare for a single tactical victory to mean much from a strategic perspective, but Texas has engineered one such case, and by your argument, they did it deliberately.
If I were to take your argument seriously, then I must change my stance. The Texas Legislature is not made up of idiots, but madmen.
But again, do you have any evidence that this is what they are actually going for? Instead of assuming some grand design, don’t you think Occam’s Razor would more support partisan stupidity?
After all, despite this supposed grand plan, Texas still hasn’t done all that much to deal with, you know, the fact that our power grid is so subject to the whims of nature. Both my mother and I were without power for around 2 weeks earlier this year, and I would much rather not have by near 70 y/o mother have to deal with freezing temperatures, and no power for that long.
> As the FPC article pointed out, the fight is not over “abortion rights”, but over a legal tactic that could be catastrophic to gun owners, and the power of “the people” to enforce their rights against government.
Because this is a gun website. We focus on gun rights, but that doesn’t mean other groups don’t exist.
This attempt by California is coming in response to Texas’ actions. If Texas had not tried to pull this nonsense, then gun-rights people would be wholly in the right to criticize this attempt, which then would have come out of nowhere. However, because Texas is trying to pull this crap, that means the anti-gun crowd now feels like they have to fight back the same way, and gun-rights people started it.
BTW, try reading through the comments on these topics, and tell me again that this is not about abortion.
The functioning of the Texas law is spreading, left and right. “Ain’t it cool?”
> “Ain’t it cool?”
First of all, this is nothing like the Texas Law.
Second of all, you have been arguing that the Texas law is intended to fail, but now you are acting like it’s supposed to continue, and spread to other things.
Third, CRT is nothing like what they are describing. Those people have just latched onto a term that has been around for half a century, and applied it to something completely different. Meaning, this is another example of people promoting their ignorance, and making their entire “side” look like idiots. And unfortunately, since I am on the pro-gun “side” (which has more than a few people who think that nonsense), I have to deal with people who are using those people’s stupidity to attack me, and my position.
So no, not cool.
“…but now you are acting like it’s supposed to continue, and spread to other things.”
Not thinking laws should spread, only commenting on the entertainment such spread can provide. BTW, New Jersey has a bill pending that permits individuals to sue the gun industry under the “nuisance” laws. So now, we have the potential for a three-way split in the appeals courts. That boosts the likelihood that the SC could take action to resolve the split.
2A defenders thinking the Texas law somehow invented a situation that the ant-gun mafia would never have conceived, but for the Texas law, is silly.
Not sure how CRT gets into the mix, here.
> 2A defenders thinking the Texas law somehow invented a situation that the ant-gun mafia would never have conceived, but for the Texas law, is silly.
That’s not what people are saying. What they are saying is that if by some miracle this law stands, gun rights (among other things) are screwed. You yourself admitted to that.
This law if it succeeds will set a terrible precedent, which is why the best case scenario is that it fails. In that case, my stupid state legislature wasted millions of dollars on a terrible law instead of dealing with the many substantial issues that exist in Texas.
BTW, I just received a news alert that the FDA has permanently eased restrictions on getting abortion pills by mail, thus making the law effectively worthless even if it succeeds, since the people who get abortions can’t be sued, only the providers, and they can simply exist outside the state; https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-fda-allow-abortion-pill-by-mail-permanently-2021-12-16/
> Not sure how CRT gets into the mix, here.
You are the one who posted the article. The title is literally; “How DeSantis Is Tackling Critical Race Theory in Florida”
Texas legislators earn (I use the term loosely) 48-odd thousand dollars for a 2-year term, unless there is a special session. While that seems fair, I would prefer they move to one session every 3 years, rather than 2. Politicians should be most proud and well paid when they accomplish precisely nothing during a term.
“Texas legislators earn (I use the term loosely) 48-odd thousand dollars for a 2-year term, unless there is a special session. ”
IIRC, there was a time the job was almost a voluntary commitment: pay was $2500 for the term. The compensation was changed as a way of taking the legislature out of the hands of the wealthy elites…those who could afford to only have a salary of $2500.
@I Haz A Question
“…but they’re insistent that it’ll continue upward and be $1.5 million again soon.”
As you know, and your wife’s parents should have learned: “Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered.”
Don’t ask how I know.
Gov Preppy Moron – here’s a bill for you.
“Any person that travels to another state for the purpose of obtaining an illegal medical “treatment”, will be regarded and treated as being a permanent resident of that state. Such individual may not reestablish residency in this state until after the next presidential election.”
Gals, take your prog butts to Kalifornia, kill your baby, and stay there. No polluting the government here. And drag your prog soyboys with you.
Yeah, our politicians will be telling people we don’t want their tax money. I’ll be waiting to see that.
It’s all extremism. Gun control on one side, baby control on the other. The big problem is the “control” part. The government should have little involvement in any of it. These are not black and white issues that can be solved by some Blakey policy for everyone.
The Texas law is anti-American, anti-Democratic and just plain stupid.
Which also describes all anti-gun legislation.
And the recall effort against Newsome was incompetently run and doomed to fail. There should be one and only one question and no distracting races in a recall. Either the challenged politician gets recalled, or not. By filling the ballot with alternatives, and by having an intense campaign race among those alternative characters, the Governor’s hold on power was assured.
Newsome had nothing at all to worry about, and less and less every time another challenger entered that recall election.
“And the recall effort against Newsome was incompetently run and doomed to fail.”
Yes…always; no question. Do the math: 10million registered Dem voters; 5million registered Repub voters; dead and unregistered voters?
Newsomes position as governor was recently re-inststed vis a vie the recall effort. In that sign of approval by the voters in Ca, Newsome has been bolstered in his popularity and will now procede with his programs with a new vigor. California…you got what you wanted, don’t cry.
“That’s not what people are saying. What they are saying is that if by some miracle this law stands, gun rights (among other things) are screwed. You yourself admitted to that. ”
– Yes, Texas is taking a huge gamble (I said that, also). Doesn’t mean potentially stopping the anti-gunners from successfully doing the same wasn’t/isn’t worthwhile.
“That’s not what people are saying. What they are saying is that if by some miracle this law stands, gun rights (among other things) are screwed. You yourself admitted to that. ”
– See immediately above.
“This law if it succeeds will set a terrible precedent, which is why the best case scenario is that it fails.”
– Precisely, as I noted in the original comment. Not passing the legislation would not prevent the anti-gunners from doing the same in other states. If a different, anti-gun state had passed a similar law regarding firearms, Texas could not intervene in anyway. As in my comment, Texas gets in line for appeals, ahead of every other state.
“BTW, I just received a news alert that the FDA has permanently eased restrictions on getting abortion pills by mail, thus making the law effectively worthless even if it succeeds…”
– Tomorrow will always pose the threat of making things today, or earlier, no longer relevant. Texas passed their legislation long before the FDA made its decision. Legislation cannot be held up simply because new circumstances tomorrow will make today’s actions moot. (Although, such a concept of operation would certainly cut down on the mischief legislators can get up to.)
“You are the one who posted the article. The title is literally; “How DeSantis Is Tackling Critical Race Theory in Florida” ”
– You are correct. Mea Culpa; my bad. Apologies for the mix-up. I own 83.79% of the screen names here. Things get busy trying to come up with all the personalities, and subjects addressed at TTAG. Not to mention that I work too often without benefit of a proper dosage of martinis throughout the day.
> Yes, Texas is taking a huge gamble (I said that, also). Doesn’t mean potentially stopping the anti-gunners from successfully doing the same wasn’t/isn’t worthwhile.
Except, if the concept will be thrown out for one, it will be for the other. The concept is the problem.
And no, it isn’t worth it. Spending millions of dollars to pass a law that you claim they want to be thrown out is idiotic.
Finally, you still have not proven the case that they want this law to fail.
> Not passing the legislation would not prevent the anti-gunners from doing the same in other states.
And failing. But then they would be the ones wasting the money.
And again, you have provided no evidence to support the idea that their intention is for the law to fail.
> Tomorrow will always pose the threat of making things today, or earlier, no longer relevant. Texas passed their legislation long before the FDA made its decision. Legislation cannot be held up simply because new circumstances tomorrow will make today’s actions moot. (Although, such a concept of operation would certainly cut down on the mischief legislators can get up to.)
Actually, it can. This decision did not come out of nowhere, and in fact might have been in response to this nonsense.
But, if you want to make this argument, I guess you also must believe that we can’t use the argument about future 3D printing tech to undermine anti-gun laws. After all, that tech is not particularly good right now (some of the metal fabricators are looking promising), so any laws that will likely be made ineffective in the near future are perfectly fine because the tech doesn’t exist now.
“And again, you have provided no evidence to support the idea that their intention is for the law to fail. ”
– Nothing to “prove”. Thinking that the legislature is not predominately idiots Given that, one has to wonder why the law was concocted/passed. Virtue signaling? Maybe. My speculation, my conclusion, is the law is a stalking horse. Without actually being present at all the meetings, or access to all the internal communications, it is impossible to “prove” anything. The basis for my conjecture is 50yrs of watching politicians (in addition to my education in politics and law); nothing is ever what it appears.
“But, if you want to make this argument, I guess you also must believe that we can’t use the argument about future 3D printing tech to undermine anti-gun laws.”
– Not following….there is no effective use of 3D printing to undermine “anti-gun laws”. The only argument resonating with the public is banishment of 3D printing, or at least 3D printed guns (“effectiveness” of limiting 3D printing is of no interest to the anti-gun mob). To try to argue that 3D printing makes gun control laws moot only sings to the 2A defender choir. That song depends upon the leftists being able to reason beyond their noses, and reaching the conclusion that it is impossible to prevent 3D printed guns, so gun control laws are useless.
But as to future events overtaking past events…it is inescapable. Holding back legislation because tomorrow may make the legislation obsolete is not rational. Point being, those constructing the Texas law could not foresee the FDA move (which has its own downside for libs).
> Nothing to “prove”. Thinking that the legislature is not predominately idiots
Coming from the person who has been calling the Democrats “Dims” this entire time.
We’re all human beings. We may think differently, but acting like one “side” is inherently stupider than the other is ridiculous.
To borrow a quote; “The idea that absolute good and perfect evil existed would always be a bane to the human spirit. Harmony and compassion were impossible so long as one side thought of itself as benevolent and of its enemy as nefarious. This only justified valorization of the self over a defeated opponent, over whom rule was made manifest.”
> Given that, one has to wonder why the law was concocted/passed. Virtue signaling? Maybe.
Try probably. Have you seen what happened to Liz Cheney? Let’s remember that she has stood her ground on basically every conservative issue, but because she voted to impeach Trump people have attacked her relentlessly for “disloyalty”. One issue, and she is treated like a pariah. And she isn’t alone.
> The basis for my conjecture is 50yrs of watching politicians (in addition to my education in politics and law); nothing is ever what it appears.
Again, if you are right, then the Texas Republicans are insane because they wasted money on a law that will ideally never stand, but if it does stand will mean a total loss. That is ridiculous.
But also, this means that you can’t dismiss the Democratic actions, since that would also apply to them.
However, in the end, Occam’s Razor is on my side. I’ll take that over the idea that this is all a part of “the plan”, based on nothing but the supposition of some random person on the internet.
> Not following….there is no effective use of 3D printing to undermine “anti-gun laws”.
Example 1; Magazines can be printed off, thus making magazine limitations a waste of time.
Example 2; The new prototype metal printing machines, once made compact and cheap would make gun manufacturing easy, thus undermining any laws that prevent gun ownership.
> That song depends upon the leftists being able to reason beyond their noses, and reaching the conclusion that it is impossible to prevent 3D printed guns, so gun control laws are useless.
So what you are saying is that all “leftists” are stupid (in effect), but given that you are dismissing this about the Texas Congress, you do not think the same could be true for “rightists”.
Well now, isn’t that convenient? It’s almost like your mindset allows you to dismiss everything your opponents might think simply because they think differently from you.
And let’s be clear. I am not literally calling every Texas Legislator stupid. However, they have decided to support their partisan nonsense over basic logic. I think it is fair to call that stupid, especially considering no one has been able to provide a good reason for them to do this.
However, you dismissing all your opponents like that is not fair.
> But as to future events overtaking past events…it is inescapable. Holding back legislation because tomorrow may make the legislation obsolete is not rational. Point being, those constructing the Texas law could not foresee the FDA move (which has its own downside for libs).
Actually, it is rational. If you pass a law today, and it is made moot tomorrow, then you should have been able to predict that action.
What you are talking about only works when the law, and the action are too far removed to be able to reasonably predict, or so far away that holding off is irrational. Neither is the case here.
“So what you are saying is that all “leftists” are stupid…”
– No, what I am saying is the anti-gun crowd are committed to eliminating firearms in the hands of people who aren’t criminals (criminals are exempt from attempts to disarm America). There is nothing 2A supporters can do to change the majority of the anti-gunners to be either neutral, or advocates of the Second Amendment. The leftists are not stupid, but irrevocably deluded.
– In politics, there is no Occam’s Razor, but there are uncountable “marks” who believe the principle operates in the political arena.
“Actually, it is rational. If you pass a law today, and it is made moot tomorrow, then you should have been able to predict that action. ”
– Anyone who can be that prescient, would be able to bankrupt Vegas and the lottery system. Not waste their talents in political machinations.
“However, they have decided to support their partisan nonsense over basic logic.”
– All politics is partisan. Government, like any other living organism, does whatever is necessary to survive. Politicians are the same. It has been over 200yrs since the idea of non-partisan governance was even a dream. Non-partisanship ain’t coming back.
“It’s almost like your mindset allows you to dismiss everything your opponents might think simply because they think differently from you.”
– Actually, it is exactly like me dismissing everything my opponents think. We are at war. There is no room for compromise with, or admiration of those bent on destroying the nation, and replacing it with a nation where people (subjects, vassals, serfs) exist only to serve government. (occasionally, rarely, there can be situations where both parties inadvertently combine to do something for the good of the nation)
“However, you dismissing all your opponents like that is not fair.”
– “fair” is not an element of political warfare. First you win, then ponder “fair”. When your political opponent is utterly vanquished (made a historical footnote), then you can define, determine, impose “fair”.
You choose to believe your legislature is stupid. I choose to believe they are cunning and devious. Nothing we say here will affect the outcome.
“Riii-i-i-ght! It took me a major part of the day just to prepare to go outside into a -120 degree chill factor to service my airplane on the bomber alert pad at Minot AFB, ”
I forgot, when were you at Minot? (’72 – ’76 for me)