When members of Open Carry Texas rallied in front of a meeting of four—count ’em four—members of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, MDA had a hissy fit. With the help of a misleading photograph (exposed first here), the mainstream media went big on the story. Forbes proclaimed Texas Gun Bullies Use Semi-Automatics To Terrorize Mothers Against Guns-NRA Remains Silent. 40 Armed Members Of ‘Open Carry Texas’ Try To Intimidate 4 Unarmed Women Of ‘Moms Demand Action’ opposingviews.com shouted. Etc. As you’d expect, Mom-in-Chief Shannon Watts milked the story, casting herself and her Moms as victims of . . . wait for it . . . terrorism. This is no laughing matter . . .
As I’ve said before, the civilian disarmament industry wants to cast gun rights advocates as criminals, thugs and psychopaths. They don’t want to marginalize Americans who work to defend and extend their natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. They want to destroy them. You know, eliminate.
Remember: the Open Carry Texas (OCT) folk said nothing whatsoever about assaulting members of Moms Demand Action. Bogus photo angle aside, it was their mere presence at the quartet’s get-together that enraged the antis. The gun control crowd is now baying for blood in their own “read between the lines” way. Check this hate speech from mediamatters.org:
But this hairsplitting over the exact details of the confrontation ignores the larger point, that it is de facto intimidation when approximately 40 members of an extreme and insurrectionist group known for vitriolic confrontations with law enforcement mill around in a parking lot outside of a meeting of their political opponents while openly displaying guns . . .
Supporters of OCT called a police officer a “piece of garbage,” a “fucking scumbag,” a “worthless piece of shit,” a “worthless waste of life,” and a “traitor.” One man repeatedly shouted “Fuck you, pig.”
OCT’s October 19 gun rights rally at The Alamo in San Antonio, Texas featured conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and insurrectionist Mike Vanderboegh. At the rally — where supporters reportedly called police “tyrants with badges” — Jones told the crowd, “We’re not going to lay down if you offensively attack us. If it’s a war they want, it’s a war they’ll get.” Vanderboegh, whose anti-government views inspired a domestic terrorist plot, told the crowd, “You can kill us, if you think you can. But remember, we’ll shoot back,” and, “When democracy turns to tyranny, the armed citizenry still gets to vote.”
Given that OCT’s recent events have been an ugly mix of anger, violent threats and firearms, it is entirely believable that MDA members and others were intimidated by OCT’s actions on November 9.
How long before that becomes “Given that OCT’s recent events have been an ugly mix of anger, violent threats and firearms, it’s entirely right that they should be arrested, disarmed and incarcerated.”
Or “Given that OCT’s recent events have been an ugly mix of anger, violent threats and firearms, it’s entirely right that the SWAT team decided to raid its members’ house. The fact that one member was shot and killed during the raid is regrettable but . . .”
Paranoid fantasy? From your lips to God’s ears. Meanwhile, Shannon is ratcheting up the rhetoric, heading in that direction. [h/t SS]
Time to sick the hounds, guys.
Lets call up some gay rights and feminist groups, give them the lowdown on armed self defense against rapists and bigots, and let the fight begin.When a protected class (mothers)wants your rights on a plate, you fight back with another protected class
I call ringside seats!
“Time to sick the hounds, guys.”
Sic.
That’s a face only a mother could love.
You’ve seen the vitriol hurled at the Tea Party, OCT can expect exactly the same branding, whether they deserve it or not. Nothing about the Tea Party is racist, but I’d say the american media has put on enough “democrat strategists” and lefty anchors to make it seem that way.
Shannon T Watts has a career in politics ahead of her. She’s divisive, media savvy, photogenic and lies like Obama. If she moves to New York, the carpetbagger capital of America, she’s in.
Not in Indiana she doesnt. She is HATED here. There are Mother groups specifically against MDA.
Really? If so, we to do our part to get them the media attention they deserve.
Individual open carry is great for normalizing the presence of firearms in daily life. OC demonstrations and protests, not always.
Gotta agree. I can’t help but think the 40-ish folks that showed up could have found a more useful venue. Showing up to confront MDA gives them some semblance of credibility, and that’s bad. Don’t do it.
I actually think the opposite with regard to the effectiveness of ‘casual’ open carry to events, but I’ll agree that this sort of counter-protest was not productive.
But you know what they say about herding cats…
I’m partial tothe Ranier Arms Raptor charging handle, $90 but when I fondled one at the Precision Firearms both at the local gun show, I had to have it. The charging handle was the most solid feeling handle I ever felt, and there was BCM product on one of the other demo rifles. It made me forget my desire for a JP side charger.
Regarding the BRO, it’s a nice looking rifle that obviously shoots well. I just think it’s overpriced unless those atheistic touches are must haves.
I saw the same rifle in Gander, checked the price, and said the same thing…for that kind of money I would buy a JP, and not just a JP15 but a CTR.
Um, the Taliban wants to control government to limit the rights of other’s.
I’ve never once heard anyone say a liberal group doesn’t have the right to a rally, but I’ve heard plenty of these groups say conservatives shouldn’t.
I’ve never heard gun owners say everyone must have a gun, but I hear them say we shouldn’t have them.
The list goes on.
So, well, who’s the Taliban again?
It seems that everyone who disagrees with the Progressive agenda is a member of the Taliban. Except fot the fact that when GEN Petraeus was at CENTCOM Progressives were positvely rooting for the actual Taliban.
I get it ….
Law-abiding gun owner breaking no laws = “terrorist”
Morphs into “gun ownership is a terrorist threat”
Add heavy dose of NDAA + Patriot Act provisions …
Gun Ownership = No-knock SWAT raid followed by indefinite detention.
Clever people, these statists.
Well if they felt intimidated maybe they should go shooting and get comfortable with firearms. However, we can not win the hearts and minds of the undecided by being obnoxious.
I’ve got the 16 inch skulz version of their rifle. It’s awesome, however, they don’t actually manufacture everything in house. My understanding is that a lot of the parts are still outsourced and rebranded with their info. Black hole weaponry actually makes their barrels. (And they are AWESOME barrels!!!) They also use KNS pins in the lowers. I will say that their standard mil spec trigger is the nicest mil spec I’ve ever shot.
I hate this woman.
I 100% believe that if she had the power, she would put me and people like me in concentratio… I mean, reeducation camps.
Fuck MDA.
Maybe if they had guns of their own they wouldn’t have been so “intimidated.”
Is a lot harder to “intimidate” someone who has a gun.
What’s that line about armed societies and politeness?
Shannon Watts is a troll. Period. The best way to deal with trolls is to not feed them. I honestly think that, ignoring her, and playing down her tiraids would lead to her slowly slipping into the dark void of obscurity from whence she came.
right. She generates this Taliban stuff for the sole purpose of getting attention. When this fades she’ll think of some new crazy hyperbole to garner attention. Hate her, love her, but apathy is her enemy. Feeding trolls only makes them stronger.
And, is it me or is her voice really irritating like fingers on a blackboard. whats up with that?
This might be controversial, but I’m going to base this comment on real definitions rather than perceptions of right and wrong applied to words. Here goes:
The Second Amendment was indeed intended by the Founders to intimidate those who seek to oppress the liberties of the American people, whether foreign or domestic. Intimidation is as much the intent of the Second Amendment as is any violent act, if not more so. It is the 19th century equivalent to the “nuclear deterrent.” A codified threat against any person, state, or entity who sought to assert its power over the rights of the American people.
Shannon Watts makes my wang shrivle up inside of me…that chick is gnarly looking, not to mention an Authoritarian scumbag.
But seriously, what is a GunBully? The only thing that comes to mind when I hear that term is Cops or Federal Agents (DHS/ATF).
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Why are we giving her a voice.
LOL I cant say it without snickering…
Friend: “So what kinda AR is that?”
Roll: “I got a BRO”
ETA: I got one of the catalogs, the girl with the pink ar is waaay cute.
Let’s have Shannon stand in front of 40 law abiding gun owners in America *OR* she can stand in front of 40 taliban gun owners (weilders) in their native country (and tell them she is all for universal gun control).
Any guesses as to which group she would rather be standing in front of?
I would like to humbly request that Mr. Farago does not post an article about MDA for a week. I realize that this is his blog and he can write about whatever he thinks deserves to be aired, but I would like to respectfully request we go a week without Shannon Watts. This woman is screaming for some attention and I don’t think we should reward this kind of behavior.
I agree completely. She appears to be turning psychotic, and should not be encouraged.
I guess she must have cut corners on fire and electrical codes when it was built. At that value, it was obviously built at OUR expense, through her favorable votes for her and Pelosi’s husbands’ businesses… Too bad it did not go all down, with her and ALL her Congressional thug friends inside – Schumer, Boxer, Pelosi, etc ad nauseum. We could have all roasted some strange fruit over THAT fire!
And for only $1700 less, you can buy a Colt or BCM, which are actually built correctly and work, ALL THE TIME
So … Any odds on how long before these rounds are declared illegal?
Forget the ammo, the guns are illegal where I live. CA. I guess I could buy a box of these awsome rounds and then insert them manually into anybody that breaks into my house.
Call me skeptical regarding the “we make it all ourselves” claims, but the first time I saw one of these ID’d the rail as a Parallax Tactical design. Maybe they’re making it under license using the same CNC programs, but I’m more inclined to believe that they’re sourcing those rails from San Diego…
And those anti-walk trigger pins look an awful lot like the tried and true KNS design.
Instead of trying to counter MDA by open carry demonstrations, would be better served putting on free Eddie Eagle Gun Safety leaflet campaigns?
Imagine it, they are against guns for the sake of the children, but we’re the only ones actually doing something constructive to protect children.
So, she thinks open carry protesters are like terrorists…
This is great news! According to the new Obama administrations policy, the US is arming terrorists now. So, we should all be looking forward to rocket launchers and machine guns for Christmas!
Doesn’t the penetration seem a little low for self defense? I thought we were looking to get at least 12 in of penetration out of our SD stuff?
I am sure all the gang bangers and drug dealers signed up. If they are in charge of more than 50 people (mules, dealers, etc) I am sure they now have group health insurance.
No worries, now that your covered you can go out, party, sleep with strange people, and beat yourself up because you can afford to take more risk.
Shoot up a whole rival gang if you like! Thanks Obamacare!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/obamacare-ads-colorado_n_4261448.html
Lol at spending $2700 for this when for a similar hefty sum a superior Noveske/Geissele/Krieger system can be built.
Britain still hasn’t given up on colonialism, they’re just much more subtle about it now.
“in the absence of government troops, armed civilians stop looting.”
And the problem with government troops is that when they are not absent, they are present.
It must be remembered that the US military (generally trusted and trustworthy) is the historical exception. Throughout most of history, the arrival of government troops meant the looting of your pantries, coffers, and daughters. This is still the case in much of the world.
I lived in the Philippines for almost a year. In the province away from the big cities there is very little law enforcement. People own guns for their personal protection legal or not. I saw a guy at a pool with an M-16A2 that he packed around in the mountains. There were still some commie groups operating in this area.
I’ve been to the Philippines. To imply that there is any maturity among its people, or organization to its government is to show you’ve never been there. The place is lawless.
I’ve been listening to people from there complaining on the radio that more hasn’t been done to help them. I heard a professor from Amherst blaming everything wrong in the Philippines on the US. Apparently our fifty years owning them undid the centuries of Spanish colonialism.
I feel bad for them, but I won’t be blackmailed to feel bad for them. They could have remained a territory of the US. They could have let us continue to use the military bases we had there. But they decided to go it alone, and then kicked us out. And now it’s all our fault.
I hope we can help a lot of them out. It’s a shame that they are still backwards. It’s slanderous that they blame everyone but themselves.
They speak of the “prevalence of guns”, but the Phillippines has mandatory registration for all firearms, and only 0.86 registered firearms per 100 people. That’s about one-quarter the rate of the United Kingdom.
Note, however, that when you add in illicitly owned guns, that rate rises to 4.7 firearms per 100 people. For every gun legally owned by a law-abiding civilian in the Philippines, there are 4-5 that are owned by criminals.
Source: gunpolicy.org
Her speech pattern is a cross between “uptalk” and “sexy baby vocal virus”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_rising_terminal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_6fFdRnik&t=91s
Please help me with this because I am confused; If I can not keep my high rate insurance plan and am forced to enroll in a government plan, do I still get to smoke cigars and drink a case of beer a day without feeling guilty about what it might cost the rest of you? (please say yes, please say yes…)
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to William Stephens Smith, November 13, 1787.
The “where” information as to what state “Gonzaga University is is contained in your original “who/what/why/where/where/ article, RIGHT?
“Anyone have more info on the black talon ammo and how it became illegal for civilians?”
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19931123&slug=1733491
Found the original article reporting Winchester’s decision to stop selling it. It wasn’t made illegal (although lawmakers were considering making it illegal), but Winchester decided to stop selling it because of the controversy it was generating.
The Philippines had to deal with the Imperial Japanese and their request for them to lay down arms.
The hogs feed the coyotes and the coyotes prosper and multiply.
Does it get any better than that?
“The ideal form of government is democracy,
tempered with assassination.” – Voltaire
Educate us Ralph, what is it about the thumbhole design that “leave something to be desired”? (I’ve only handled a couple but never shot one–and this looks no different than a straight combed American stock when it comes to the height of the cheek piece.)
You cannot apply your cultural values and behaviors to another culture. That is comparing apples to oranges.
I have been to the Philippines (mainly Manila and the surrounding area)and have friends that live there. From my understanding, it is difficult to obtain a license to own a firearm. Even if you have a license, you are restricted in types and calibers.
Outside of the metro area there is a lot of extremist groups and little in the way of law enforcement. Even in the Manila area you see law enforcement and armed private security everywhere. Convenience stores, businesses, even the hotels I have stayed at had security to check vehicles as they entered. Metal detectors are at entrances to malls and other places.
It is not a gun culture that causes the issues. It is extremists and the regional challenges that cause the issues. Try shipping something in or out of the Philippines without bribing someone or paying for safe passage. It is corruption in the government (individuals and old cultural mores) in some instances. Granted, it has improved tremendously over the years but there are still challenges.
The people are desperate and lack leadership in many cases. They distrust the government and officials. This is the cause. Many different and opposing forces. Not “gun culture”. If anything the gun culture may be helping in many circumstances.
This would go great with my $300 pair of sox and my fur lined sink….
Using technology to solve education and training issues is a feel-good measure. It solves a nonproblem and complicates straightforward mechanics. What’s the saying – Idiot-proofing something will only create better idiots?
Yes we do.
I just finished reading pretty much all the responses here.
How about this.
Robert stop giving these types of miniscule groups but with big mouths any more free press.
For us its all preaching to the choir.
We as a group pretty much think alike have the same responses to this BS and are for the most part plain tired of it.
As to the open carrier folks. STFU already.
Your not doing 1 bit of good for anybody.
What are you trying to do besides prove a point???
Scare an old lady to death??
Get a CCP and be done with it.
Carrying a weapon openly doesn’t get you anywhere but in a possible conflict with the Po Poes.
To try and entice a fight is stupidity even if 100% legal where you live.
This is a different world we live in now.
Your not going to change one mind amongst the ignorant, by acting like assholes.
Take a friend to the range instead.
Put a gun in their hands and let them get hooked.
If they don’t go, on to the next friend.
We have to do this one mind at a time.
As to the cops…. FOAD.
You want a fight, find me.
I will fight back even if it kills me.
At least in my mind. Ill take one of you at a minimum with me.
At this point in my life I have more in common with Mike Vanderboegh and his thought patterns then the rest of the writers or bloggers out there,
Enough is enough.
Its getting to be time to put up or shut up.
Right or wrong just the way I feel guys.
So… Installing a scope and changing the stock constitutes “building”?
That’s a very pretty Savage.
We need to understand that Shannon Watts’ statements are not the ravings of a single person. This is how the left works. Every time someone open carries at a political event, the left publicizes it as a threat to kill opponents.
Rachel Maddow said this in April of this year, “But let the record show, at the same time, that in the United States, whether the issue is guns or anything else, you will not win arguments that you try to win by threatening to shoot your opponents. You will not win if the way you are trying to win is by threatening to use weapons to get your political way.”
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/04/rachel-madcow-says-something.html
What she means is that any time anyone open carries at an event, the left will scream to everyone that they were threatened by armed terrorists. Do a Google search for “open carry intimidation”. Everyone here needs to understand what is really happening.
The point of adding ANY electronics to ANY gun is to allow:
Tracking, monitoring and ultimately — IMMOBILIZING the gun without your permission.
Why round them up when we can turn them off?
Then your doing something wrong.
PS parts swapping is not ‘a build’ any more than changing from snow tires to non-snow tires is ‘a build’ of your PU truck.
A build starts with the trigger
Um… well, we might have different perspectives.
Speaking for myself, a “build” starts with an action and a barrel as two individual components.
The sole purpose of asking whether one is detained or not is to determine status. Once one knows of the detainment, one may choose to assert constitutional rights or give them away.
You choose to talk with the pigs, I choose not to, and that is my right.
stopped 4 times in last 2 yrs (3 speeding and one lights out). each time, informed officer that I had a carry permit and whether or not I was in possession of my weapon. each time, officer was professional and courteous and when I was armed, told me to just leave the tool where it was. stopped most recently coming back from anniversary trip w the spouse . . . we were in a rental (my truck was in the shop) and I only had running lights on. after the cop asked why lights were out, etc. and I told him I had a permit but was not armed, he ran my info, and then came back asking what I liked to carry since he was looking for an off duty gun. my wife made a comment about shooting (she likes a G26) and the cop looked like he was going to trip over his tongue . . .he wanted his GF to take up shooting and wanted to know how I got my wife interested and was thrilled to learn she was in a stay at home mom’s group that shoots every other week and then goes out to breakfast.
where I live, we are not required to inform, but the cop who taught my class said it was a good idea as the CCW permit is a good guy card and helps the cop learn to trust us before they run our DL’s.
And when their cartridges ran out, you could here the front file shout, send ammunition mules, and Gunga Din.
Should they ever mandate smart guns, do you think more than six people will be able to access their firearm to protect themselves from an attacker on the first day of the rollout?
Who in his right mind carries for self-defense and goes more than a couple of months without shooting?
I shoot out my magazines every couple of months, then a hundred or so rounds of FMJ. Then clean the guns and reload with fresh self-defense rounds.
I shoot off my carry ammo every few months. But I can’t do that every trip because it’s so much more expensive than 115gr FMJ. That means though that I need to empty and reload my carry ammo regularly, so I cycle cartridges around to prevent setback.
I’ve heard of shotgun weddinngs, but pistol pictures?