From the Second Amendment Foundation:
BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation today won a significant victory for concealed carry when the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals let stand a December ruling by a three-judge panel of the court that forces Illinois to adopt a concealed carry law, thus affirming that the right to bear arms exists outside the home . . .
The ruling came in Moore v. Madigan, a case filed by SAF. The December opinion that now stands was written by Judge Richard Posner, who gave the Illinois legislature 180 days to “craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment…on the carrying of guns in public.” That clock is ticking, noted SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb.
“Illinois lawmakers need to create some kind of licensing system or face the prospect of not having any regulations at all when Judge Posner’s deadline arrives,” Gottlieb said. “They need to act. They can no longer run and hide from this mandate.”
“We were delighted with Judge Posner’s ruling in December,” he continued, “and today’s decision by the entire circuit to allow his ruling to stand is a major victory, and not just for gun owners in Illinois. Judge Posner’s ruling affirmed that the right to keep and bear arms, itself, extends beyond the boundary of one’s front door.”
In December, Judge Posner wrote, “The right to ‘bear’ as distinct from the right to ‘keep’ arms is unlikely to refer to the home. To speak of ‘bearing’ arms within one’s home would at all times have been an awkward usage. A right to bear arms thus implies a right to carry a loaded gun outside the home.”
Feinstein and the rest of the gun grabbers must be clutching their pearls about now.
+1
Immature language of any type will give the opposition fodder, shallow fodder, but fodder still. I don’t think any “anti-gun” organization would criticize this website for “not using offensive language”. I’m not trying to censor some of you, oppress your 1A rights or whatever, but since Matt brought it up (sorry for my blame shifting), I think that there are better ways of saying things, that will not push people away as much.
curious if Ill-annoy-me will react with laws that make it extrememly difficult to get a license like has been done in Cali and elsewhere
Love the Idea!!
The ball is in Ms. Madigan’s court now. She can either appeal to the Supreme Court of just let it stand as is. This is comes down on the same day that the assistant State’s Attorney for Cook Co stated that they can just ignore this, because, you know, they don’t like it, or something: http://capitolfax.com/2013/02/20/alvarez-vows-to-ignore-federal-court-ruling/
Silly Machine statists, laws are for the little people.
Illustrating Chicagoland Idiocy, Mayhem and Stupidity at heyjackass.com
Tell you what, if and when I can find a couple more ProMags (they’ve been shipping cheaper and faster than the PMags), I’ll gladly send em. Goes to help a neighbor state’s shooter, raises funds, and might make a good media push.
I had no idea Reddit had this much pro-gun force going on in it, and that they’re this willing to get organized.
I will tell my story in hopes it will help someone else.
A little over a year ago I bought my first gun, a gift for my husband for Christmas. I had to give it to him a month early because I needed him to lock it away somewhere I couldn’t get to it. Shortly before Thanksgiving I had the impulse to kill myself with that gun. I’d been depressed for the better part of a decade and was having some issues with my husband trying to cut me off from my best friend, and I’d just basically reached the end of my tether. I’d been wanting to die for quite some time, and to have it all in one neat little package, with a virtual guarantee that with a little research on the ‘net I could find out how to do it right and kill myself for certain, was very very tempting. Up until then I hadn’t killed myself because, frankly, I hadn’t been able to think of an effective way to do it. Because when you really just want to die and you think you’re a failure, there’s nothing worse than waking up in restraints in the hospital after having failed to off yourself.
Since then, however, the gun has become to me a symbol of the choice I make daily to live. It’s been a long hard road, but just a few months after that I was able to get my concealed carry permit and save for a gun of my own. A couple times I’ve had to give my gun to a friend to keep at their house, but I’m stable on medication now and the choice to live is easy as breathing most days. I came to realize how cowardly it was of me to try to kill myself with a gun that was made to protect, not to destroy.
Now guns are my “happy place” to which I retreat when I’m feeling down. I’ve had my permit for almost a year now, and I only got suicidal once when we made a (doctor-approved) change in my meds. But my gun comforted me then, because somewhere deep in the back of my mind, I knew that as long as I was carrying it I’d be safe. Instead I was thinking of doing it with household chemicals, Japan-style.
You can kill yourself with cars, plastic bags, 5 gallon buckets, etc. If you really want to kill yourself, the means are one Google search away. Once the gun became a symbol of protection to me, I never wanted to blow my brains out again.
Guns and suicide
I just learned that an acquaintance/distant friend committed suicide with a gun. Loosing someone who you knew is bad enough, but to hear that they were in so much pain that they choose to kill themselves to end it all is even worse.
Suicide is a complicated phenomenon/medical issue. Many times there are warning signs that an astute person could catch and perhaps intervene and prevent the person from ending their life. This makes the whole issue even more painful for the survivors. The fact that they could have saved the person if they had only been paying attention can cause guilt in those around the individual, especially the ones closest.
Recently, veterans are more susceptible to suicide. After a decade of war, anyone who doesn’t understand why is delusional. Most veterans are more comfortable with firearms than the average citizen. Most own guns. Many veterans have faced the enemy and used guns to kill another human being. The stress from battle, the stress from family separation, the stress of the current economic situation and the impending loss of financial and medical benefits, have left our nation’s hero’s feeling hopeless. Almost every vet has some amount of PTSD, but for most they successfully deal with it and lead normal healthy lives, just like every victim in this country from violent crime, especially rape.
When you encounter someone you believe is contemplating suicide, traditional thought is to confront them. Ask them if they have a plan. You should removed guns from the home if they have access to them. But the truth is if they are dead set on committing suicide most of the time everyone misses the signs and symptoms, even those closest to the individual. Truth is, if they really want to commit suicide they will find a way. For those who are not committed, for those who would just “attempt” as a gesture for help or attention, they won’t use a tool so effective as a gun. Those just attempting but not actually wanting to commit suicide, will choose cutting, overdose on Tylenol (which is surprisingly effective), and other assumed less lethal means. They really do want to live, they just don’t know how to ask for help.
Unfortunately, here lately, everyone seems to want to blame the guns. If we had only outlawed guns, especially semi-automatics (I still want to see the case report where someone shot themselves more than once), we would curb suicide drastically.
When you look at the statistics, women attempt suicide more than men, but men actually commit suicide more than women. Guns are used in the majority of time in successful suicides. Why? Because they are effective tools. Someone who is truly intent on ending their lives will usually choose the most effective & quick means. Many of those who commit suicide are in pain and just want to end the pain. A gun is an effective way to end it quickly and efficiently.
If we take away the guns, that won’t stop the depression and feeling of hopelessness. Those intent on ending their lives will just choose the next most effective means to end it all as quickly and effectively. When you look at all the ways people elect to end their lives deliberately, statistics show the next most often method is crashing your car. It’s quick and usually effective. After all cars kill 10x more people daily in this country than guns. Aside from outlawing bridges to jump off of, men usually will then elect to drive their cars as fast as they can and find a brick wall to run into, if we take away their gun. This in-turn will be very dangerous to those also on the road at the same time and innocent unknowing people will get hurt/killed by accident.
I am not suggesting we hand out guns to those who want to commit suicide so they don’t choose to run us off the road in their attempt to kill themselves.
I am hypothesizing that if every gun was removed from society suicide would not decline, but collateral damage would increase.
Another unintended consequence of removing guns from the public would be the increase of the crime of rape. In every country where guns were removed /regulated the crime of rape increased. Without a means of self defense, women who are less physically strong and have a smaller stature, will be victimized more. Guns have been called the “Great Equalizer”. I recently purchased a North American Arms .22 magnum miniature revolver for her conceal carry weapon. At first, I was sceptable because it looks soooo cute. Barely longer than her extended fingers, it certainly is not intimindating. That was until we took it to the range. Using Gold Dot self defense ammo, she practiced with her little cute gun. When others on the line stop and take notice due to the sound of the loud canon going off and the huge fireball that emerges from the barrel you know you have something. It is even more amusing at the looks on their faces when they see what the sound/fireball is coming from. I have no doubt that a would-be rapist if not stopped by correct shot placement would get their eyebrows burned off and at least hesitate/think twice on pursuing their intentions.
Besides combat, rape is the primary cause of PTSD in the US and in other countries. The incidence of suicide among rape victims is exponentially higher than the general population. Rapes are prevented every day by women either brandishing their guns or using them. Outlawing guns will lead to an increase of rape daily, and increase the incidence of suicide.
Outlawing guns won’t diminish suicide. Outlawing guns will only increase it.
I’m not moving. Not running, not hiding.
I have a choice, no matter what.
Those that stand are my brothers.
However it goes, I get to decide it.
Henei ma tov umanaim
Shevet achim gam yachad
Sinei ma tov umanaim
Shevet achim gam yachad……..
Every one of these incidents (and man-with-a-gun 911 calls) needs to end with a police visit to the caller/ninny/idiot for a good lecture about wasting police resources… after a rear-seat courtesy trip “downtown” if possible.
None of the atrocities mentioned in this article were *just* the government. People wanted these things to be done and used the government to do it.
There were a lot of people who thought segregation was natural and good. There were a lot of people who wanted those dangerous and inconvenient Indians moved out of the way of progress. There were a lot of people who thought anyone with Japanese ancestry might choose their ethnic heritage over their current citizenship. There were a lot of people in the ’50s who thought McCarthy was right on.
It’s *us* doing this to *us.* Government is the means, not the cause. The most powerful/vocal/organized groups get to use government as the agent that lets them oppress others in their own preferred way.
Don’t get too cocky. This is the same legislature that won’t let even permission slip holders carry openly when most states don’t require a license. Tyranny could very well come to Florida. There are more hispanics and blacks voting which means more Democrats which means more tyranny.
Just so everyone knows, NJ is really this bad. Can we please just shove it into the ocean already?
Can this become a constitutional amendment? Reason may reign supreme at the moment in FL, however if CO has taught me anything, it’s that all of it can change in the blink of an eye.
GUIDELINES? We don’ need no steenkin’ GUIDELINES.
No unintended consequences here. Are you joking? This is INTENDED to cause more gun violence and mayhem. Then they will arrive with their NEXT solution.
Problem>Reaction>Solution
Meanwhile, Florida is a blue state. And Zimmerman’s defense team got hammered by the judge at today’s hearing. If the blues get the Florida house and senate all bets are off.
And, I like 10-20-life – it works.
I looked at that picture 3x before I noticed the “How?”
Well played.
So now the “Occupy” crowd doesn’t mind the top 1/10 of 1% buying elections?
I’m in. I have some curious friends who I’d like to teach. Just like Antonin Scalia taught Elena Kagan. It’s not going to change the way she votes, but it may make her less of a hoplophobe.
“I told you, no brussel sprouts!”
“Cut the crap! What have you done with the REAL Chef Boyardee?”
No more fricken succotash lady! I’ll poppa cap in your butt if I see that crap on the line just one more time!
Does any of this apply to The Donald? Or, is he above all that?
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I suppose she only owns one pair of shoes. I hope they are are comfortable, practical, and work for all occasions.
Nemo Arms tells the government of NY that it cannot buy its $100,000 titanium AR 308.
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