http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vcr5-QvMdY
Earlier today, the New Jersey Assembly passed 22 laws limiting its citizens’ Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. In the post-Newtown rush to civilian disarmament, the Garden State follows New York’s lead. And Colorado. Connecticut will soon pass similar legislation. California and other Democrat-controlled states are set to “tighten” their already unconstitutional firearms regulations. Meanwhile, Southern and Western states are moving in the opposite direction. Utah is set to join Vermont, Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming as a “Constitutional carry” state (no permit required to carry a firearm). We’re seeing the creation of two Americas: slave states and free states . . .
I don’t use the word “slave” lightly. In no way do I wish to I demean, discount or exploit the horrors experienced by African-Americans during slavery, or anyone else who’s suffered human bondage. My father was a slave; he spent four years in a Nazi labor camp.
I realize that it’s hard to equate a citizen deprived of his right to keep and bear arms with a human deprived of all of their human rights. But not impossible. Nor inaccurate.
Obviously, disarmed civilians living in New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, etc. are not bought and sold like property. But under the wider definition of the word ‘slave’—“one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence”—they qualify.
Simply put, citizens without the ability to resist government diktats through force of arms are no longer in charge of their own destiny, whether they know it or not.
Preposterous! Residents of anti-gun states have rights! They have a vote! They can defend their rights in court! They can vote fascist politicians and petty bureaucrats out of power! Gun or no gun, America’s legal and political system protects its citizens from tyranny.
Right until it doesn’t.
You don’t have to be much of a student of U.S. history to find examples where the government disarmed inhabitants before trampling on their legal and human rights.
Uncle Sam forced the Long Walk of the Navajo in 1864 (the year after the Emancipation Proclamation). Slavery was legal in the U.S. until 1868. In 1941, the feds set-up Japanese American internment camps. Segregation lasted into the ’60’s.
Anyone who dismisses examples of government oppression by saying “that was then this is now” or “guns wouldn’t have made a difference” fails to understand a) tyranny depends upon disarmament and b) it’s not a question of “if” the government will use force against its citizens but how much force they use and when.
All laws are backed-up by force. Obey the law or you will be arrested. The threat of violence may not be visible; like concealed carry, police presence is a powerful prophylactic. But it’s there; the government is always using force to impose its will.
I mean our will, right? We The People give government the power to use force to protect laws that have been democratically defined and limited by state and federal constitutions. In theory. In practice, see above.
There’s no getting around it: a citizen without a gun is a slave, or at least well on his way to becoming one. When push comes to shove, as it has throughout human history, he is literally defenseless against his own government.
By contrast, a citizen with a gun is a free man. He has an effective tool with which he can defend his life and liberty—even if he dies in that attempt. He answers to himself and his God (should he have one) rather than dictates of tyrants.
And so those of us who understand the distinction between a free man and a slave watch with despair and determination as state and federal governments run roughshod over Americans’ right to keep and bear arms. And we wonder: what will happen to the free men marooned in America’s slave states?
I have prospects but am in desperate need of a brick of 22LR to supply the newbies. I’m down to 3.5 boxes of Winchester for the Mark II and 7 * 15-round reloads for the lever-action rifle in my quick-loader.
I’ll gladly pay $60 shipped or $50 face-to-face in the Bay Area for a 500+ brick of high velocity 22LR. Would strongly prefer 1250fps or faster so I don’t have to recalibrate scope and hold-overs for subsonic or “standard velocity” rounds. I’ll even reveal my real world identity for a FTF transaction. 😉
SiliconValleyAlphaGeek at gmail
I have plenty of 20ga shells, so no worries there. I can feed our 20ga shotguns more cheaply than my USP40 right now, which is pretty wacky of you think about it.
Wonderfully stated Bob, if I may call you that, couldn’t agree more. That’s exactly what we’re coming to and a sad business it is.
I am so thankful that i moved out of the state of New Jersey just in time now i hope my new home state of PA does not do anything crazy like NJ & NY etc. Because it is so much easier to go after the law abiding taxpaying citizens then it is to go after the criminals
The exemption of retired police officers was required to get local law enforcement to testify before the legislature that “police want the guns off the streets”. Most cops understand that they can’t prevent a crime no matter how much presence we pay for. Police can only investigate and catch/punish those who do commit crimes. The only ones that can truly stop crime are individuals willing to stand up and defend themselves (easier with a gun against those who have guns).
Why don’t they exempt former/retired military? Why don’t they exempt firearms instructors? Professional Armed Guards? Those groups have extensive training and have proved responsible with guns. The answer is simple… other groups wouldn’t go to the capital and testify on behalf of Gun Control.
NJ, if you don’t want to look like a bunch of hypocritical typical politicians, make an 11 round magazine illegal for everyone except active police. Don’t exempt special interest groups that support your position, and see how much support you get from local law enforcement…
YEEEE-HAW! Way to go SAF! Chicago & Springfield, read it and weep!
I like to think of us here in NY as Subjects rather than Citizens right now. But we will continue to fight. Telling us to move is not helpful. Joining our gun rights organizations, donating to the (few) politicians who voted the right way, and even moving here to help us in the fight is.
“Anyone who dismisses examples of government oppression by saying “that was then this is now” or “guns wouldn’t have made a difference” fails to understand a) tyranny depends upon disarmament and b) it’s not a question of “if” the government will use force against its citizens but how much force they use and when.”
In a way, this mindset is a willful choice. Most on the left are closet petty despots who would jump at the chance to upgrade to major despot, if only they had the power. They also tend to believe government and legislation (of the Prohibition kind) are a way to solve all problems. When that causes even more problems, they tend to walk away from responsibility for those problems: those call for even MORE laws and prohibitions!!!
Whenever someone says it can’t happen here, whatever “it” is, the only reason it can’t happen is if there are people with guns to stop it.
The next step is to render gun-free zones unconstitutional; then, may-issue states; finally, require all 50 states to adopt constitutional carry.
Just the way the founding fathers would have liked it.
Very cool!
My plan for several months has been to get a Marlin 1894C or Winchester 1873 in 357 Magnum as soon as a new one becomes available. Right now that looks like late 2013! I figure it would be the perfect companion for my Dan Wesson 357 with 6″ barrel which I have had for longer than I can remember. Until then, I will defend the homestead with my son’s new FNAR 308 while he is in Special Forces training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
The Supreme Court did strike down certain prohibitions. The problem is that some localities (DC, Chicago, NYC, NJ(?), MA(?)) circumvent that decision to a significant degree by setting up overly expensive and/or generally burdensome licensing schemes, which are clearly meant to deter gun ownership rather than merely to screen out those who we can all agree shouldn’t have guns. These types of egregious licensing schemes must be vigorously litigated against.
God. Help. Us. All.
I often try to put things in perspective in order to uderstand why things are happening, since everything happens for a reason. I hardly think slavery is the motivation nor an appropriate reason for current legislation efforts.
Perspective:
1)USA has 15 TRILLION GDP on the line, second only to the EU and just above China’s 7Trill GDP. If the USA’s economy is jeopardized, every one of our trading partners feel the pain too. Think about how disarmement could help maintain the US economy by stabilizing social forces in US.
2) At the core, Democrats/socialists are passing legislation for a single purpose, to get elected into power. Why? Becuase social communism is the only thing in America that can equalize socioeconomically poor class groups and minorities. There is nothing else that low status and minority groups can do that can make a difference in a country where the super rich control a 15 trillion GDP economy. Only the goverment can affect that. WEB DuBois was an early advocate for black rights; he was involved in the formation of the NAACP; he was an advocate for communism. Henry Gates Jr. runs the DuBois foundation at Harvard; he was the guy that Obama tried to protect on national TV; he was the guy they had a beer summit for. A clear connetion btween democrats and communism. Ask a liberal what they think of communism and most will tell you it’s dumb cuz everyone should have to work. Duh they don’t like to mention the benefits becasue ppl would soon see them for who they really are. lol
3) there are already 300+ millions guns in America. Legislation now will hardly impact citizens’ abilities to defend against tyranny. The dems have a loooong way to go before that ever happens.
4) sometimes people don’t have a good idea of the big picture and it is easy for folks to think in terms of slavery because that is what they want to believe. The reality is that our democratic republic is far from gone and the anwer is to band together and elect better representatives. That is the strategy that the left has already taken.
what a joke, I’m glad to hear it didn’t escalate. Pretty funny how the guy actually breaking the law with an open container of alcohol gets looked over / ignored. I’ll be it if you were watching a horror movie with scenes of murder or torture they wouldn’t have called on you.
You saying another war between the states????
“I proceed to explain..”
” and explaining what I was watching, they realized I wasn’t doing anything illegal ”
First off, I dont know about this guys, but me? Hell no.
“Sir step off the bus”
“Is there something I did wrong?”
“Sir off the bus”
“Sir, is there something I’ve done wrong, or something I can help you with?”
“We got a report of you watching something offensive”
“I dont know what your talking about, and unless I’ve done something wrong, and you’re arresting, I’m free to go.”
“What where you watching”
“Officer, is there something I can help you with? I’m just trying to get home, and unless I’m being arrested or detained, I would like to be on my way”
“we heard you where watching a movie with nazi eagles in it, what was in the video?”
“Officer, if there is something I can do for you, please let me know, other wise, I’ll be on my way.”
“Hey lemme see your ID”
“Officer I’m not required to provide you with my identification unless I’ve done something wrong. Now, if I haven’t done anything, and you’re not detaining me, and I’m not under arrest, good day sir.”
If they, say stop, tackle, draw on your, or detain/arrest you, well… Willkommen in Amerika!
Shut your mouth, and keep it closed at that point. Do not consent to a search, and refuse to answer any questions until a lawyer is present. You just got your night ruined for being a patriot and refusing to submit to their BULLScheiße requests.
I’ve had my night ruined a couple times, but I’m usually let go. I dont play that “stop show me your papers Scheiße”
Call me stupid, but any officer worth his salt should A) know YOURS and HIS rights and limitations B) Realize that what they are doing is unconstitutional, and C) A flagrant misuse of power.
His first mistake was not moving to a free state.
I just sent money to RMGO. I’m not from Colorado nor do I reside there. But, any org that fights for our rights, especially in a state that is newly circling the drain, is my friend.
how is this in any way, legal?
I have always liked this rifle very much, but have yet to pull the trigger on one. When the Mossberg MVP comes out in .308, though, it’s going to be a hard decision between the two. I really, really (really) like the benchrest-style laminate stock on the MVP. …and it will take AR-10 mags…
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Texas
Funny how they left out Obama’s AWB!
I’m supporting Colorado gun owners by donating one million buttons and bumper stickers stating “Only Flaming @ssh0les Vote for Democrats.”
Catchy, huh?
Most people including Jewish people had or could obtain arms in 1930s Germany as the aftermath of world war one left many ex-soldiers which was most males over the age of 37 to 45 with their rifles and hand guns ,yet this didn’t stop the Nazis from rounding up and murdering nearly 6 million people, even those who didn’t have a gun would have no problem in obtaining one quite easily
So all this nonsense about people power defending themselves against the state is hogwash , if you were confronted with around sixty armed black shirts dragging away your neighbour because you were told he was a criminal or some such ,would you risk your life trying to defend him if they said they would kill your family if you did so .
Even if they could have organised themselves into an effective fighting force if they knew each other well enough beforehand that is , the firepower the State could muster in such a direct confrontation would wipe them all out in a moment.
Of course the modern state would not sink to such silly tactics they would simply pick off people one by one or group by group so to limit any danger of safety in numbers.
Next up , there is a myth in US History surrounding the so called “minutemen” Paul revere and all that jazz , in reality the British ( not known for self-ingratiation) never even once mention any confrontation between British regulars and the English /British colonists ( soon and much later to call themselves “Americans”) perhaps this was because ALL the English colonists were armed at the time , in fact it would have been almost impossible to survive in British America before 1776 without a weapon to either defend against Indians or the occasional robber or cut throat or both and to hunt and keep and protect your livestock in what was then a largely rural economy.
The argument that these gun happy Yee ha red necks and ultra-right wing loony’s promote is about 200 years out of date,
Of course the more sensible ones promote the idea as they would like to organise a right wing coup to overthrow the government, who they regard as liberal fascists and commies by another name ,who are attempting to create a post-modern world super state, while I think myself that they may have a point the way to oppose such things in the modern world is to join the Tea party and mass protest or elect a lobbyist, NOT come out shooting like in some daft Hollywood horror movie or stupid Rambo spree ,
Given all the above they quite seem to missed the point that no guns shops and easy access to ammo like in seriously civilised countries that were free long before the United States was created ( as contrary to American propaganda the British in Britain were, as all the founding fathers were well aware, which is why the American revolution kicked off in the first place as a demand for the English colonists to have the same freedom and rights as their free born British cousins living in England) would mean NO easy access to deranged teenagers and mental cases to go and blow away 100 babies at infant school, NO infants pinching their daddy’s guns and having accidents resulting in their blowing their five year old best friends head off.
The regular Police in Britain (the first in the world) still after 150 years do not carry firearms and yet crime in England is 36 times less than in any one city in the USA.
So if you still want to protect yourself against the state read proper history and not US historical propaganda and gets yourself elected to congress and makes a difference that way.
The civilised way like the rest of the world half of you don’t even know exists
You really have out for the lack of eyes and ears don’t you, Robert. I get ears and even eyes in the case of bulpups, but in 10 years of shooting never had any reason to want glasses.
reasons for eyegear
1. splatter from steel or rocks probably wont penetrate your carharts but will take out your eye, especially with 22lr and 223
ex: i shot a 20ish grain, aguila, primer only 22lr at a dirt wall from 10 ft, hit a tiny rock, it ricocheted thwap! and hit me in the right thigh. it would have popped my eye easy
2. faulty ammo or firearm
ex. shot a friends older 22lr bolt action, it was working fine until i took a shot that blasted back into my right eye from the breech, not wearing eyewear, stung alot but no permanent damage. the back of the round was convex with a slight rip in the brass, fired fine after. Was it the round, the gun?
I’m trying to learn these lessons once, the easy way.
Eyewear
and ears.
“Lott no longer publishes in peer reviewed journals because of his ethical fails. He keeps changing his data and omitting important calculations and downright lying.”
If we are talking some missing data then one should consider the testimony from some of those below, of which there are more. This isn’t like the global warming climate-gate where data was purposely destroyed before it could be peer reviewed.
From: Dan Kahan
Date: Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:49:32 AM US/Eastern
To: [email protected]
Cc: John Lott
Subject: Feb. 11, “A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts”
Dear Editor:
A column appearing in the Post yesterday (Feb. 11, “A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts”) implies that economist John Lott made up the claim that a computer malfunction destroyed data from his research on gun control. At the time Lott was engaged in this research, we were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School. I clearly recall John relating the computer data-loss incident to me then — many years before the current controversy about his work arose.
Just so you know, I’m not relating this information to you because I support Lott’s position on guns (I don’t). I’m relating it to you because I think journalists — even the ones you employ to write political gossip columns like this one — should live up to their professional obligation to check out the facts before they make claims harmful to an individual’s reputation.
Yours,
Dan M. Kahan
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Dan M. Kahan
Professor of Law
Yale Law School
PO Box 208215
New Haven, CT 06520 (regular mail)
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:50:46 PM US/Eastern
To: [email protected]
Subject: Article about John Lott in today’s Post
Dear Editor:
The Washington Post unfairly casts doubt about whether John Lott suffered a hard disk crash on his computer in 1997 ( A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts, February 11). I was co-authoring a paper with him at the time and I was affected by some data that were lost. We lost a very large data set that had been used to estimate the wage premium paid to workers exposed to long-term latent hazards in the workplace. The loss prevented us from performing additional research and significantly delayed publication.
Sincerely,
Richard L Manning, PhD
203 Putnam Road
New Canaan, CT 06840
From: Lawrence Kenny
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:21:58 PM US/Eastern
To: [email protected]
Subject: Wash Post letter
John:
This is what I sent to the Washington Post.
John Lott and I worked together on a project examining the impact on government spending of women being granted voting privileges. Some of this research, utilizing older census data, was published in the Journal of Political Economy in December 1999. But the publication of other research utilizing recent survey data was set back when the basic data was lost in 1997 when John’s hard disk crashed. Thus, assertions that John fabricated the story of his disk crashing are incorrect.
Lawrence W. Kenny
Professor of Economics
University of Florida
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:55:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Karpoff
To: [email protected]
Subject: John Lott
Dear Editor,
A column the Post published this week implies that John Lott fabricated a story that a computer crash destroyed some data related to his gun research. I have collaborated with Lott on two research projects — neither related to guns — and remember him talking about the crash several years ago. The crash indirectly affected one of our projects, as Lott had to divert much time to re-create his lost databases. I recall him telling me how some of his philosophical opponents refused to help him by returning a copy of some of his data, despite the fact that the only reason they had the data in the first place was that Lott had given the data to them!
During our collaborations, John Lott has been an exemplar of integrity in academic research. It is not always easy to work with John, as we sometimes have disagreed over how best to conduct our tests and write up our results. But always, Lott has been honest, insightful, and willing to consider arguments and accept data that do not agree with his prior beliefs. He is an excellent social scientist.
It is time to put to bed any rumors that question Lott’s credibility or seriousness as a researcher. Give him credit for taking unpopular positions, sticking to those positions in the face of vitriolic personal attacks, and sharing his data and exposing his research to scrutiny more openly than his opponents. You — and I — might not like like all of his conclusions. But that makes him all the more important to engage seriously in policy debates.
Sincerely,
Jonathan M. Karpoff
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Jonathan M. Karpoff
Norman J. Metcalfe Professor of Finance
Managing Editor, Journal of Financial and Quantitative Analysis
University of Washington School of Business
Box 353200
Seattle, WA 98195
You feed me mush one more time and you will sleep with the fishes!
65% women here in U.S are liberal anti gun and agree with everything that King Obama says according to my politics 101 text book
Thanks Robert!
Frankly, I’m worried. I’m more worried than I ever been. I’m worried that the entire world tasted or is eager to taste that vicious drug that socialism is. I’m worried that the entire world might became a world of zombies, with slogans instead of thoughts. I’m worried. Very worried. I’m worried that the human mind, reason, logic, self determination, freedom will be forever gone and replaced by a brainwashed society, by a mindless race, by a psychotic civilization driven by fears, neurosis, irrationality and petty hopes.
I’m from Europe, from the EU. And from were I’m standing the psychotic “old world” is carrying forward with it’s “plan” to punish the “new world” for the insolence of getting away and living otherwise.
What is the USA? A country that supports individual responsibility. Gun’s add to personal responsibility. Freedom adds to responsibility. Self determination adds responsibility. Zombies, sheeple, want all their responsibility to be taken from them.
As I see it, the biggest battle of nowadays, the real “zombie apocalypse”, is the ideological battle: the zombies want uniformity, and they will stop at nothing in pursuing that uniformity. And it pisses them off that there are still places and people that refuse to comply.
I recon that USA, at the present time, and with significant chances for that to intensify in the future, is under an ideological attack. Zombies want uniformity. Zombies want to erase any concept of self determination, individuality, freedom. And they want to erase any example of those, wherever those might still survive. Especially in the US, where those mentioned do more than survive: they are the backbone of the American nation and society.
Imagine, from their point of view, the alternative: the US model expanding. What would that do to the zombies, to the ones habituated to have obedient slaves, vast masses of sheeple listening to their delirium?That is the clash: the clash between the Old and the New World. It’s a clash that have been imminent from the birth of the New World as we know it: 1776, July, 4.
Founding Fathers of your nation left Europe to escape the establishment, to gain their freedom, to elude the psychosis that torments Europe and most of the known world for many, many generations. And they had the “insolence” to succeed in their quest. They made a country and a nation that is fundamentally different than others, and it works as it was made. That’s the problem. That’s the problem for all the others.
And socialism, make no mistake, is just another name and cosmetic different shape meant to preserve a certain “order of things” that has it’s glory days in the Middle Ages. Also, socialism is just the neurotic form of the psychosis called communism. And socialism once established, the line between those became thinner and thinner. Socialism is a drug, a vicious drug with no cure. A drug that gives, same as religion, to the masses, a blessing to forever relinquish any real responsibility. Here, where I am, I can see that everyday. Growing, suffocating everything step by step.
I have no idea if what I said is of any help. But all that happens there, I’ve already seen happening. I’ve seen the results, the means to get to those and I live in the world of those results. And it’s a nightmare world to be awake and aware in.
No matter how hard, no matter how though it might be, once reality and freedom are given away even for the most tempting form of the “socialist state”, a nation is doomed never to recover. Within no more than two generations, any form of “thinking for yourself”, self determination, freedom to rise above your condition, will be inconceivable for any individual. And so, they became “subjects”, falsely called “citizen”. Personal thoughts will be replaced by convenient slogans, and it’s “game over”. The real “zombie” is born and he/she has no other goal than complete uniformity all over.
In the end, a quote than might put many other things into a much larger perspective:
“Education should aim at destroying free will so that after pupils are thus schooled they will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school masters would have wished … The social psychologist of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.” —–Bertrand Russell quoting Johann Gottlieb Fichte, the head of philosophy & psychology who influenced Hegel and others – Prussian University in Berlin, 1810