Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn.
Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
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The US Senate’s Civilian Disarmament Caucus has just introduced a bill that would, for all intents and purposes, create a national gun registry. They’re just politically savvy enough not to call it that.

If approved, the Gun Records Restoration and Preservation Act would repeal the following Tiahrt provisions:

  • End the prohibition on ATF from releasing firearm trace data for use by cities, states, researchers, litigants, and members of the public.
  • End the requirement for the FBI to destroy all approved gun purchaser records within 24 hours of approval.
  • End the provision that makes it extremely difficult for ATF to retrieve firearms from prohibited persons who mistakenly sold guns or from gun owners who become ineligible to possess guns.
  • End the prohibition on ATF requiring gun dealers to submit their inventories to law enforcement. (Gun dealer inventories facilitate enforcement of the federal law requiring dealers to report the loss or theft of firearms and help law enforcement oversee the more than 50,000 firearms dealers nationwide. According to a 2008 analysis by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, more than 30,000 guns in the inventories of firearms dealers were unaccounted for in 2007.)
  • End the prohibition on public disclosure of data on multiple handgun sales, as well as gun sales information dealers are required to keep that may be required to be reported to the U.S. Attorney General for determining the disposition of one or more firearms in the course of a bona fide criminal investigation.

Joining (Dick) Durbin and Bob Menendez in cosponsoring the Senate bill are Senators Cory Booker, Richard Blumenthal, Ed Markey, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand and Chris Murphy.

– Marsha Heller in Senators introduce bill to disclose federal gun records, tracing data

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  1. The Usual pantheon of traitors. Hopefully it will not even get out of committee. I have to wonder if the FBI is actually destroying the records.

        • Well he got more votes than the democrats and zombies and illegals in a lot of areas so he obviously broke the law somewhere.

      • I guess they would just have to follow the laws as written. I know Democrats are not used to doing that and is the main reason they should only be selling Trump 2020 buttons at the door. They might want to forget about trying to use another Christopher Steele type dossier. That was useless.
        They aren’t even smart enough to realize that The Mueller Report made them look like idiots, Adam Schiff made them look incompetent, and Tge Impeachment that ended up not being Impeachment reveals that they want President Trump out even if it means making stuff up and trying to sell it as truth. Insulting to the American people.

      • Gov. William J Le Petomane says:
        February 15, 2020 at 08:50
        How are they supposed to get FISA warrants if they destroy records?

        The same way they got FISA warrants on Carter Page, they make up a bunch of shit and swear it’s true for the first one, then share it with Yahoo who prints it as fact to show to the court as corroborating information for the second one, after that make up some more shit throw in a couple of paid informants and four FISA warrants (based on pure bullshit) later a dozen people are tried and convicted for “lacking candor” (govt speak for a liar) before the FBI/congress/or whatever (you can be charged w/lying if someone else, anyone else, disagrees with you) and Carter Page (the “primary” target of that investigation) is now suing everyone who ever touched those FISA applications because he was not only never charged with anything, he was never even questioned and was in fact acting as an informant for the CIA (which the FBI knew to be a fact) at the time the first FISA warrant was issued… They used that same made up shit to launch a nearly three year long investigation into the President of the United States… So after ALL that, how hard do you think it would be for them to make up some shit on an average citizen and fuck him over three ways from Sunday, after all it’s the word of the FBI and a couple of well trained well paid informants against yours and “oops there goes another one”…

        • Just 99 more posts like that Duane, and a check for $1 will be on the mail from the Bloombucks account.
          Good job.
          Signed, Lil’ “throw all the blacks against the walls” Mikey. AKA: Lil’ “giving blacks loans caused the financial collapse” Mikey. AKA: Lil’ “as an employee of mine, you MUST kill your fetus” Mikey.
          This shit writes itself.
          Troll on troll, don’t give up the fight.

    • Gun Registration by going through the back door. The Big Government can’t confiscate our guns until they know who posses them and where they are located. Mark my words, if we ever institute a National Gun Registry, confiscation will soon follow. These anti-gun zealots aren’t stupid. They know that they can’t take away our guns until we tell them who owns them.

      • Slavery finally became illegal in all 50 states as of 7FEB13. Let’s hope Mississippi kept a detailed registry of all guys sold as I’m sure many of them are still living and would appreciate their emancipation.

      • Yes there is. Whoever believes otherwise is deluded; however, said database is currently illegal. The purpose of this law is to make said database legal.

        Let us say this bill passes. Let us say confiscation begins and the ATF are now going from door to door. They knock on my door producing a list of firearm serial no. s that they should confiscate. Now, that should be impossible as I have not bought anything since 2019. They should have nothing connecting my identity with any weapons on their database. If said list had serial no.s from the 1990s then that is proof that records were kept illegally. Even if they include wording in the bill that makes any list retroactive legal it would still be illegal wouldn’t it.?

        I don’t know. I am not a lawyer. It it seems that there are certain factions in the government crooked enough that they can make anything illegal, legal if it suits their purposes. And leftist sheep just keep voting them in.

    • I’ve suspected that from the beginning the ATF has not been destroying the info . There is an old saying ” it is easier to ask for forgiveness, than to ask for permission “.

  2. When President Bernie seizes power, the ATF will be given the Pentagons budget, to fight the true enemies of freedom.

    Would you rather be a Bernie Bro, or a Bernie Foe?

    Choose wisely.

        • IF Bloomburg takes on killary as vice he wont be in office long as most likely suicide with a gun shot to the back of the head once or twice as it seems that is what happens to people in killerys way. Then it would get it so called turn at being president.

        • As bad as that crazy bitch wants the Oval Office “Little Mike” would be signing his own death warrant if he even let her smell the paperwork at the convention, and it would pretty much kill his chance of winning anyway, she’s been rejected by the people already…. I know they keep crying about the 3,000,000 popular votes, but she won Ca. and N.Y. combined by more than 7,000,000 so that’s where her big popular vote win came from… Beware Little Mike, the Clinton curse can gain you nothing but will lose you everything… WAIT, what the hell am I saying? Absolutely Bloomberg, take that bitch on she will be a great asset to the ticket, all that knowledge, ability and energy….. Hell yeah man go for it……

    • RedFlagRising says:
      Would you rather be a Bernie Bro, or a Bernie Foe?
      Choose wisely

      Transcription of text message from “Bernie Bro” w/response

      Bernie Bro: “Hi Nitza! It’s Tim with Bernie 2020. Bernie has spent his entire life standing up to the greed and corruption of the corporate elite and fighting for ordinary working people. Are you in for Bernie?”

      My response: ” Fuck NO! I am not IN for Burney! Is that the same Bernie that used to hate millionaires and billionaires and now just hates billionaires because he IS a millionaire? Is that the same Bernie that avows to be a Socialist but is actually a fucking Communist? Is that the same Bernie that does not even know how much all of his shit programs will cost? Do NOT send another message to this fucking number, thank you.. Trump/Pence 2020. AND I ain’t your fucking NITZA!”

      Bernie Bro: “I’m opting you out of texts immediately. Have a great day.”

      So does that make me a Bernie Bro or a Bernie Foe?” I’m thinking I’ve made my made my choice pretty obvious, and I won’t be intimidated by a bunch of Socio-Commiecrats who think their time has come and they are destined to rule the world. They have my cell phone number, they can find out who and where I am, bring on the bullshit, let’s party Bros…..

      • All of these Democrat politicians always crying about how little U.S. corporations pay in taxes is making me sick because of all the low information voters who believe that crap. Haven’t they figured it out yet? Where do they think that money the corporations pay in taxes comes from. Those corporate taxes are just a way for these lying politicians to tax us. We pay those corporate taxes every time we make a purchase. COME ON PEOPLE, WAKE UP!

        • Right on, it says millionaires and billionaires that are the problem! Wonder where we could find a whole bunch of them?

          “(CNN)President Donald Trump on Saturday night will headline the most expensive fundraiser of his presidency at the Palm Beach, Florida, home of billionaire Nelson Peltz, two Republicans familiar with the event said.
          About 40 attendees are expected to join the President at the exclusive event after doling out more than a half-million dollars per couple, one Republican familiar with the event said. The Washington Post first reported on the fundraiser.
          The event is expected to raise more than $10 million for Trump Victory, the joint fundraising committee benefiting Trump’s reelection campaign, the Republican National Committee and 11 state Republican parties, after each couple donates the $580,600 price of entry.”

        • Where to find a bunch of millionaires and billionaires, miner? bernie, hillary, bill, bloomberg, soros and the list goes on.

          Thank you in advance for making Trumps second term a reality. More judges.

    • Ok, the game is peeling off some of the undecideds while keeping enough engagement in the base. There’s a graphic of out there showing Pres Obama in 2012 *spiking* his base engagement n voting while Mittens got lukewarm support from the middle, n nothing from the other base.

      Engage the base while looking like the sane ones to the unsure.

      The VA lobby day ralleys were exactly right. >22,000 happy, sane, peaceful folks. The base gets locked in by “Hey, we did a thing!” and “Look how overboard those bonebeads went. Again.”

      The vague middle sees elected folk fencing out people from just talking. And snipers. Plenty of the spittle-flecked n wanna be’s get reinforced. “Off with the deplorable’s heads!” Some in the undecided middle go … un, over-reacting, a bit, guys?

      • II …

        So, call it what it is: registration. Spins up tbe gunny folk base. Hooks the anti-people on tbeir contradiction: the radicals go “Hell, yeah.” The get-electeds go “But, we ca’tt say that.” A d tbe food fight begins.

        Talk about what it does, not what is supposed to result. “So, they’re gonna charge peaceful people who pass a background check $1,000 fee to bave a gun. (Maryland, right?) Seems like those people aren’t a problem, or how’d they pass?”

        Pick some one part n describe it. “Well, they do seem to leak govt data: published maps of homes w guns, in NY, list published in CA just last month. Target list for crooks to steal guns?”

        It’s a game of inches. They’ve been at this for a century. One election won’t unwind it … one vote won’t even stop what the vote’s about. Peel off the tacit support.

        The good news is, the pro-people position has actual facts, behaviors n results to point to.

      • Hey Bernie, I suggest you read economics 101. Because every effort at creating socialist economies has resulted in failure.

        Correction, the only working socialist economies were those in WESTERN Europe.

        • Actually you were right the first time, there aren’t any. The successes are socialism-washed capitalism. Socialism can’t work in a unit much larger than a nuclear family.

        • Its not fun being a gun owner with a bunch of people set on destroying this republic as socialist/communist lie to destroy our rights. long live people who do not live in a nation of idiots. Run by socialists who want a new civil war.

  3. Like a pain-in-the-ass kid (me) on a road trip saying “ Are we there yet?”, they won’t give up until they’re there.

    I don’t the they at that time will be happy with the results, though.

  4. This bill has to be put in the crapper as soon as is proposed. Its all its worth is as toilet paper.
    After all its the same thing proposed by these libitard shitheads over and over.

    • And call out tbe repetition…

      “Why are you proposing the same thing again under another name – hoping people won’t noti e this time?”

    • Darkman,

      I read the article that you linked. It is really disturbing to see that so many county Sheriffs are so ready and willing to violate our inalienable rights and privileges of due process, presumption of innocence, ability to confront our accusers, and a jury trial.

      I saw one tiny ray of hope in that article. Here is the relevant bit:

      Baker County Maj. Randy Crews explained that the lack of red flag orders from his county on the Georgia border west of Jacksonville has to do with the fact that his deputies know most of the 27,000 residents and can intercede quickly if someone is having a breakdown and making threats.

      Crews said most potential red flag cases are asked to surrender their guns to a relative, who is told to not return them until the person finishes mental health treatment. He said that approach works better than confrontation and has never backfired.

      Huh. Treating people with dignity and respect and working WITH them (rather than treating people as dirtbags with contempt and working AGAINST them) is wildly successful. Go figure.

      The sad thing about this: that above approach is almost certain to be easier and less work than going through the formal Red Flag order process — and yet Sheriffs will justify the Red Flag process claiming that it is less work than actually knowing and working with the public.

      • The vast majority of LE (no matter the type – PD, Sheriff, Trooper, etc.) will follow whatever orders they are given, Constitutional or not. Many would not know what is Constitutional or understand it, remember they are drawn from a pool of today’s society. All previous governments that took away arms and did things like this were able to use their police because back then just as today they want to keep their jobs, pensions, special privileges, etc. The phrase you will hear now will be what was heard 75 years ago, we were/are just following orders.

        • Nah. They will say, “Just doing my job, sir.”

          They will explain how they have a family to take care of. They have house payments, car payments, healthcare bills, etc. They will say you can deal with the issue in a court room.

          “So… Put your hands behind your back and get in the car. I am only going to ask you once.”

        • “The phrase you will hear now will be what was heard 75 years ago, we were/are just following orders.”

          I think “Befehl ist Befehl” is the term you are looking for.

    • Do Republicans know in Florida they use the Baker Act against many children for simply misbehaving? Yet they don’t use it against soon to be mass shooters although they have evidence.

      For instance, they used the Baker Act against a 6 year old for throwing a tantrum in class. Cops took the child away in a police car to get mentally evaluated and drugged. I guess it’s okay because she is a light skin “black” girl.

      Odd how they allowed a mass murderer to plan out his attack and carry it out. Then called for gun confiscation powers for the police because they didn’t have the ability to stop the child before he got old enough to buy a big black rifle.

    • The current senate would never pass this, but it’s a preview of what would happen if the democrats gain power nationally. Virginia would look like amateur hour compared to what these people would do. For all the people on here that wistfully reminisce about the good ‘ole 2A Obama days, there’s no going back to that.

  5. End the prohibition on ATF from releasing firearm trace data for use by cities, states, researchers, litigants, and members of the public.

    In other words make it easy for scumbags to determine who owns firearms so that said scumbags can punish gun-owners for their “crime against humanity” (owning firearms).

    I will get behind this legislation as soon as the government mandates easy public access to a list of women who have opted to murder their own children (a.k.a. “abortions”).

    • The party of acceptance and inclusion wants to treat people differently based on their beliefs. We’ve already seen the CA state government try to do this to contractors. We’ve seen a gay coffee shop owner curse and kick out a pro-life group, and of course owners that kick out people that work for or support the Trump admin. Hypocrites!

    • I can see it now the times and USA today putting out weekly editions piad for by Gloombuerg that show where every gun is within the city…who has what and where down to your gramps 22 he gave ya!

      Or webpages popping up everywhere for criminals to read off the lest of what house is the best prey to kill the whole family and take the guns

  6. Why should there be a ‘Senate Civilian Disarmament Caucus’?
    It sounds like something that Hitler or Stalin would have instituted!

  7. Their goal is state-sanctioned doxing of all gun owners. For starters.

    If they don’t respect a citizen’s privacy, nobody should respect theirs.

    Dox not, lest ye be doxed.

  8. And when this one doesnt fly, they have another dozen waiting! Hey all you alleged Republicans, tell em Hell No and dont waste our time with any more!

  9. Eventually some time in the future, a democrat or more likely a socialist will win the Presidency,
    I hope all the tough guys & gals that post their thoughts on these gun sights really have the testies to do something about it & not just fade away & comply with the anti constitution crowd…
    I for one am locked, loaded & ready. I didn’t fight for my country just to turn it over to a bunch of un American snowflakes…

  10. The registry is step one. Here’s step two:

    ” End the provision that makes it extremely difficult for ATF to retrieve firearms from prohibited persons who mistakenly sold guns or from gun owners who become ineligible to possess guns. ”

    Once the registry is complete, we all become ineligible. Those Democrats are so clever… they thought we wouldn’t notice.

  11. The only things politicians know how to do well is spend other people’s money and make everyone’s life miserable in the process.

    • That is their job, has always been. It’s the great European concept of controlling large groups of people. The biggest and best version of that concept is known as the United States of America.

    • Pfffftttttttt. Ha ha ha!

      That there was some mighty funny stuff Peter!

      You sir with the award for best Internet comment of the day!!!

  12. If they want to do any thing start with getting rid of the 1934 gun act and then get rid of all other infringing law on the books dealing with firearms. Wait that means all laws regarding firearms would have to go.


    • The same clown that gifted us the Consumer Protection Act that allows credit card companies to charge loan shark rates…..

    • “it’ll die on Trumps desk.”

      Maybe this time. Trump won’t be there forever (after his second term, the “Never Trumpers” will be back in power). And Dimwitocrats will eventually hold all the cards.

  14. License, registration, and proof of insurance please. Owning a firearm is a privilege not a right. Hopefully this election will vote in some real gun control. ,Tax firearms extensively, screen those whom purchase firearms, mandatory firearms training and safety courses. Limit purchases to one firearm a year., limit so called self defense handgun ammo to one box of twenty per year. Totally ban fmj for civilian’s use.Stop the sales of reloading components. Mandatory safe storage laws subject to BATFE inspections. Stiff fines and sentences for those whom choose to violate firearm laws. It’s time America developes the courage to abolish the second amendment,Rights destroy unity, MAGA

    • Are you serious??? How can you even think that way.?? If we all have to register our guns, then when the Demoncraps take over Washington with the little Socialist, Liberal pukes voting, they will have a map to all of our guns and they will start confiscating them left and right until we haven’t anything to fight back with. We will be sitting ducks for all of the criminals who will somehow still have guns, and we won’t be safe anywhere. Plus we can all be rounded up into prison camps and tried and killed because we disagree with them.

        • “I believe this to be a fake possum. No bad grammar. No misspelled words.”

          Could be. Over the years, noticed possum does move back and forth a bit.

        • It’s always me, the Grammer and spelling are due to the bag of smart pills that sheep rancher gave me

        • “…the Grammer and spelling are due to the bag of smart pills that sheep rancher gave me”

          Yeah, I bought a bag of those pills from the same rancher. Had them analyzed at the pharmacy. Turned out those “pills” were just Rocky Mountain Oysters.

  15. Demoncrats are doing their best to DISARM LEGAL AMERICA to retain their POWER GRAB and takeover of the nation. They didn’t succeed with Obama then Killary and they haven’t stopped since. It’s only a matter of time before some demorat gets back in the WH and the more AMERICAN CITIZENS they disarm, the easier it will be for them to do what they tried to do with OSAMA OBAMA and the rest of the TRAITORS. They can’t win a civil war, but they can LEAD YOU ALL TO THE PIT GRAVES AT GUNPOINT if you don’t have anything to stop them.

  16. This is how the government wastes our money: It starts out with a supposedly admirable goal and “small” funding. Then a separate department must be set up, buildings bought and/or outfitted to house the new Department, Secretary of the Department and his/her staff, etc. Before you know it the Department becomes cabinet level and creates archives to document its activities and on and on. Just like happened with the Department of Homeland Security. It is disgusting.

  17. Register you guns? That makes sense. Since most criminals guns are stolen guns, they will run right down and register that stolen gun! That’s an EXCELLENT idea!!! Yes yes, that makes total sense.

  18. Gun store owners are already required to keep the forms we fill out when we buy a gun and get a background check. These dummies don’t even know that.

    • “Gun store owners are already required to keep the forms we fill out when we buy a gun and get a background check”

      The grabbers want an electronically searchable database, not a mess of distributed paper documents. Eventually, even guns bought before the 4473, and all private purchases accomplished in the past will be required to be registered (the risk is unintentionally being party to some sort of misuse of your gun(s), and finding you have unregistered guns)

  19. I am not sure what to think about all this . When I go to a gun store to buy a gun , I have to fill out a form , The store put’s the gun info on the form . Then they call in for that background check . They would have to call somewhere that would have all the peoples info , so they can tell the store if you are allowed to buy the gun . Now that sounds like a national gun registry to me .

    • Did you read the article? One of the provisions in the various laws this bill seeks to alter is that the FBI must destroy their record of the NICS check within 24 hours. This bill would repeal that proviso. Now, I don’t know that the FBI actually does destroy the record (in fact, I suspect they silently pass it along to the ATF or NSA or something and then “destroy” it) but if they don’t then they’re breaking the law. The only record of your purchases should theoretically be a paper copy in the FFL’s place of business. That’s hardly the same as as a database on every three letter agency’s server farms (though, again, they probably do have that; this bill would just make it legal for them to have done that.)

  20. “Joining (Dick) Durbin and Bob Menendez in cosponsoring the Senate bill are Senators Cory Booker, Richard Blumenthal, Ed Markey, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand and Chris Murphy.”
    Cosponsoring? I believe you meant Co-conspiritors.

      • Are the anonymous trolls unhappy on TTAG, and posting comments that have NO connection to the topic?
        Nothing but personal attacks?
        This is a sure sign the trolls are unhappy.
        Enjoy that Taurus loser troll!

        • I don’t do requests troll. Suck it.
          Now, focus REALLY hard and try to respond on topic, “Democrats’ Senate Bill Would Create De Facto Federal Gun Registry”. See it? Large font above this comment section.
          Glad to help you understand the concept loser.

        • “It’s funny when a buffoon like you calls anyone else a loser.”
          Sez the first time poster.
          Sub-loser troll.

  21. There are many old guns out there that they don’t know who has them so why let them know. Any gun old or new will not shoot unless someone loads it, points it and pulls the trigger. Something else, how many convicts does the democrats want to release from prison that will get a gun somewhere because there are millions out there to get and they will load it, point it and pull the trigger…….again.

  22. Let us not forget Nazi Germany – the Nazi’s enacted a weapon registry and once in power they knew exactly who had what type of weapons’ and then they went house to house and confiscated the weapons.

  23. When Demoncrats allow voter ID for ALL voters, and CONFIRMATION of voting status, at that point i’ll consider their desire to obfuscate the 2nd amendment.. Right now, the voters can simply show up and vote. Over and over if they choose in some localities. They need proper ID to cash a check, get welfare, and medical treatment. YET demoncrats think it’s a hardship and racism demanding proper voter ID’s.

  24. “End the requirement for the FBI to destroy all approved gun purchaser records within 24 hours of approval.”

    Anyone believe they actually do so? ANYONE?


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