“I got a call from my son very shaken up that someone in a strange vehicle was here,” Windham CT father Troy Quick told wfsb.com. “They were banging on the door.” “Quick said his two children, ages 12 and 14, ran for a bathroom, locked the door and dialed 911. Their dog, Chunk, tried to deter the intruders. ‘They heard him yelping so I assumed they kicked him and threw him down the stairs,’ Quick explained.The suspects kicked in the front door of the home and went from room to room, looking for items to steal. Quick said the children were not hurt and believes the thieves made off with jewelry, money and his son’s wallet. Now, he wants to know why it took police so long to get there.” And I’d like to know why he thought he could depend on the police to protect his boys. I reckon there’s some kind of correlation between Mr. Quick’s consternation and the Constitution State’s post-Newtown firearms and magazine registration laws. I just can’t put my finger on it . . .
The underlying, cultural “mindset” problem with this whole entire “straw purchase” argument is the assumption that ONLY government can make the decision about who “should” own a firearm (via the government run background check system, issued licenses, permits, etc).
Hypothetical: Suppose I have a nephew that can meet all requirements to buy a firearm from a licensed dealer. He has done so. Now suppose I want to buy him a firearm for a gift.
In essence, I “do” the background check by knowing that he has passed them. But, that’s not good enough.
It is only deemed “good enough” if the background check is done by the government. If he legally could purchase and own the firearm on his own, what crime has truly been committed by his receiving it as a gift? Nothing has changed, except…
The only thing different in these two situations is who controlled the purchase and the record keeping. It is purely a crime against the paperwork and that is all. We are inundated with such crimes in our daily lives and it is pure insanity.
There is no victim here. There is, however, an underlying assumption that “We The People” cannot make good decisions and choices about transfer of ownership of firearms.
And…NONE of this addresses the issue of stolen guns. So, who is this really meant to keep guns away from? It’s got slippery slope painted all over it, and it just seems so clear that outright banning is the ultimate goal.
Well said! I agree, this is just another way for the federal government to try and expand its control over the law abiding citizens.
Wish it was 9mm but its illegal in my state anyway so whatever.
I have 3 Piettas, One conversion to 45Lc and 45 ACP..I use any ammo thats less than 1000 ft.ps and have no problems. I load 40 grains of Pyrodex and .454 lead balls in my C&B and have no problems.Pietta and Uberti make great replicas.
BTW I am 78 years old and have been shooting for 66 years.
Remember gun control is being able to hit what you aim at.
Gary, USMC Vet
I’ll wager $100 that Mr. Quick will be a firearms rights convert very soon.
Want to find a cop fast? Do 15 over the limit on an interstate……
Heading towards a doughnut shop.
The Connecticut police were too busy tracking down and arresting legal, er I’m sorry illegal as of January 1, 2014 gun owners so they were not available to respond to a home invasion burglary in progress where minors were home alone. Priorities and all.
It’s my opinion that if the subject comes up, and both individuals involved are found to be not prohibited persons, then it should just be let go. I don’t know how you square that with “enforce the laws as written.”
If I see a gun at a great deal that I know my buddy’s been thinking about getting, and I call him and ask if he wants it, and he says, “Buy it and I’ll pay you back,” that’s clearly against the rules as written.
But what if I don’t bother to call him, I just buy it, knowing he’ll pay me back when I see him in a few months and give it to him? Still clearly against the rules?
Now what if I just give it to him, and if he pays me, great, but if not, that’s fine too, because I know he’d do the same for me? Still against the rules?
It’s all very confusing, and I think mens rea should be taken into account.
I strongly agree. I’ve been trying to keep abreast of this case for a while. The way this transaction was discovered was because the buyer/nephew was investigated by the feds because he was suspected of a bank robbery (as I recall, may have been a different crime). He was cleared of that completely but because of the FBI investigation, the facts – not disputed by the parties involved – ended up on the desk of a US Attorney, who then referred to ATF and pressed charges. I strongly suspect that this entire case rested on the interpretation and discretion on the part of the US Attorney involved that if the feds suspected the guy of something, he had to be guilty of something, so they were going to charge him regardless. Totally wrong. Completely stupid. But I’m sure it happens every day.
My personal interpretation of that question on the 4473 is this: Of course I’m the actual buyer – I’m the one filling out this stupid form and paying for the gun and then leaving the store with it under my arm. Who else would I be?
“Of course I’m the actual buyer – I’m the one filling out this stupid form and paying for the gun and then leaving the store with it under my arm. Who else would I be?”
Nice! Exactly right.
Just say ‘GUN’ on the phone and they will be there in 5 minutes and in force.
I remember once my girlfriend had called an ambulance for my dad, and the EMTs asked if there were guns in the house. She said yes, so they waited outside. Holy-effing shizz the entire Springfield Police Department showed up. 10 + cop cars, buncha cops, ballistic shield man. Jesus, it was so retarded. It was like a standoff with a sick man, lying on the floor. For 45 minutes they were all ‘James, put the gun down and come out of the house!’
Yes, because he can get off the floor.
They wouldn’t let me go inside, like he was a danger or something. Then they kicked my door off the hinges, and did that little police conga line thing, where they follow the shield guy. I thought they were going to shoot him. I started crying like a girl.
As we rode to the hospital in the ambulance, my girlfriend called. Said they wanted her to open my safe. She told them to shove it.
I lost all faith in the police that day.
They wanted to steal, err, “secure” the guns for officer safety purposes.
“…EMTs asked if there were guns in the house.”
The correct answer is “No, but there’s plenty of blood.”
Mossberg 500 or 590 would have changed the outcome of this situation. What is the street price on a decent Mossberg these days? $400-$500? another $30 for a dozen 00 buck shot shells. So all in all less than $600 to defend the castle and protect the family.
Way less than that!
I’ve seen used 500’s at pawn shops for $200-250 and Military Surp 00 Buck for around $5 per box of shells…
He was probably unarmed because he wanted to be.
Thanks Marcus and Rock. I rest my case.
I got a Maverick 88, a security pump gun from mossberg, new for 199 plus fees not to long ago. In gun friendly CA. 7+1 loads of buckshot fun.
I’ve said this countless times in discussions at the CA public school system that I retired from(I’ll leave you to imagine how civil some of those conversations were) even if you absolutely hate guns and wish to see them all gone, have at least a shotgun at home. In a perfect world we’ll never need 911 or a gun.
Anybody ever been to a perfect world?
How does it take 1.5hrs to get there? You can drive across the entire state of CT in 1-1.5hrs!
No excuse.
Two words… Pump. Shotgun.
“A free people ought…to be armed”
― George Washington
“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
― George Washington
Police don’t magically show up unless WE call for them to and that is already too late to stop the criminal from committing the crime.
I liked your quote, so I tried to confirm it’s validity (I don’t trust the internet). It’s false. Doesn’t appear that the original source is known, but it is not George Washington.
There was an attempted burglary at my pastor’s house not too long ago. He, his wife, and his two kids were home. He immediately called the police and then grabbed his shotgun and hunkered the family down in his bedroom, shouting at the burglar to leave. It took the police an hour and a half to show up. Luckily the burglar didn’t make it into the house, although he tried (I think his insurance covered the repairs), but was probably dissuaded by the shouting of the homeowner. The kicker: the police station is within sight of my pastor’s house.
WAG: Flint, MI?
I have a CTAC for my S&W 1911 and it’s pretty awesome.
My only complaint is that the bit of holster that covers the safety has a habit of digging in to my side… But that’s be cause I need to lose weight, no illusions there.
I tried adjusting it down lower which made it instantly more comfortable, but also made it impossible to get a proper grip.
The CTAC is pretty incredible but if you’ve got any amount of love-handles going on it may not be for you.
I’m a cop. I would LOVE to be able to respond to every in-progress crime in time to stop the harm and apprehend the offenders. But that’s not how life works, for so many reasons. I agree with what most posters above said — prepare yourself to protect your own butt and your family until we get there. However, if my guys take 1.5 hours to get to a burglary in progress, I will put my boot so far up their asses that it will need to be removed surgically.
We are not just cops, we are citizens too. I want my officers to get to a call as fast as I would expect the police in the town I live in would take to respond if my wife and kids needed help when I’m away at work. And my guys take that same approach.
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Im way more concerned about what happened to the dog. no mention of condition of the dog. and, who leaves the dog out there to get hurt? sounds like a family of not very bright people.
LOL If the dog can provide even a slight deterrence while being killed rather than give away the hiding place of the children, I say it’s a win. Doesn’t sound like it was hurt at all though.
Price?
$3300 for a 1911 with some unique grips?!
To all 1911 owners: If this appeals to you, I will gladly stick some plastic grips in a waffle maker and send them to you for the low low price of $1200. I will include a FRAG airbrush template for your slide at no additional cost.
Act now and I’ll include a gold spray paint kit so you can match those monstrosities from SHOT.
A sweet and functional 1911! It is the BOMB!
Very nice indeed! Guncrafter Industries puts out a very high quality product, albeit at a commensurate price.
POS Garbage. Even the marketing video is garbage.
Well, having thrown both the Pineapple (Dummy-for practice) and the M67 (Live-for real), the design only marginally resembles a “Frag.”
Sorry, I’d never get past the name. For me, frag will always mean killing an officer or NCO with a grenade (which might be justifiable in some circumstances). And if I was going to spend that much on a firearm, I’d be heading back to the post on the Cooper rifles. NEVER for a 1911. And I like 1911s. But not for that price.
I am left handed. When I was taught to shoot 50+ years ago, the Winchester Gun Club in New Haven, CT only had right handed Winchester 52s. I would shut my left eye and my brain learned to shoot right handed and right eyed. It was common to use a black patch over the cross dominant eye if keeping it closed was a problem. A few years ago, my optometrist told me that the modern theory was not a black patch (one eye getting light and one eye in the dark), but scotch tape over the shooing safety glasses (one eye with clear vision and one eye blurry). Since then, as an NRA instructor, I have offered about 30 people (who were cross dominant or could not close one eye) this option of scotch tape on the lens of their safety glasses. All but one of those people told me that it resolved their cross dominance problem (and relieved the subsequent neck ache). Over half of those people said that it improved the vision of the eye in the clear side. I wanted to shoot either hand, same side eye, with equal accuracy by using glasses taped on the left eye for right handed shooting, and glassed taped on the right eye for left handed shooting. I can now shoot either hand, same side eye with out the tape. It is a cheap, simple, effective way to relieve a neck ache.
The whole point of the law is to keep a prohibited person from using a non-prohibited person to buy a gun for them.
But the way it’s written is, I think, intentionally ambiguous.
That being said, our side is probably going to lose this one if this is all Richard Dietz has.
“The whole point of the law is to keep a prohibited person from using a non-prohibited person to buy a gun for them.”
Right, but deeper down, it’s also that they assume we are ALL criminals that just want to circumvent the wonderful laws. They’d have their Utopia if only we did not poop on their corn flakes.
I’ve probably just missed it, but what are the stats on the number of prohibited persons that have obtained their firearms by this method? Are there really that many law abiding gun owners / purchasers that are risking their “law abiding” status so as to become involved in violent crime in this fashion?
This whole thing smacks of the under age kid standing in the parking lot with cash asking people to buy him beer. It’s just nuts…are people who know they are ‘prohibited’ really doing this?
I don’t know what the numbers are and I imagine it’s kind of hard to track. But yes, people do this. Some felons get relatives who benefit from the income of their lifestyle to buy them firearms.
They also sometimes get gang members who aren’t felons to get their concealed weapons licenses so they can carry their guns for them.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
I agree with you, though. Ambiguously written laws are the tyrants’ best tools.
I’m starting to see the same effect online ,especially with video reviews of guns.
While I realize that everyone has different requirements, if you havent neither carried or fired the brand new gun you’re reviewing, you have no business commenting about how it shoots or how it carries.
People buy pump guns?
Ah Hell!! Why does everyone try to compare firearms like this, using a “torture test?” If you like the shotgun; the shotgun fits you; you can knock down birds or targets with it; the shotgun shoots when you pull the trigger, etc… then that is the winner! I know, its not much fun not to compare, but common… its not much fun to try and determine which one is “king” either.
Exactly. Accuracy, reliability and ease of use in an emergency are what sell me on a gun, and my answer to the AK and Glock fanboys is always the same: “When the hell would I expect to be dropping it in wet clay, throwing it out a 3rd-story window, or running over it with a tank?!” Being able to withstand extreme abuse I’d never subject it to makes for a great marketing gimmick and it’s definitely an asset if you work in a demilitarized, third-world construction zone, but since I don’t, it’s not much of a selling point to me.
I am attemping to do the exact same thing. I have the Savage 111 hunter xp and want to put a Boyd’s Stock on it. How did you get past the issues with the detachable magazine?
I’m always excited by a “new” hundred year old pistol. I’m almost as excited by a new, plastic, striker fired 9mm pistol. Or a “new” AR-15.
The level of innovation in the firearms industry is astonishing.
Lets be honest, anyone.who doesn’t agree with a big, huge totalitarian government is a freak to the Hollywood Limousine Liberals.
My cat freaks out when I sight in my laser and such. I had to go out and buy one of the pointer jobbies just so I wouldn’t give in to the temptation to use my gun as a cat toy. You shoot one cat and you’re labeled a cat-shooter for life.
I’m not sure what I just saw. Was that the film or a trailer for the film? What’s the 3rd M&P for?
I didn’t really detect any bias in that short bit. Just sort of “here is a strange and different place and this is what goes on there”. As if being 99 degrees and having big trucks is all that strange.
I see some irresponsible gun handling, but nothing particularly anti. What I do see is an affirmation of one of the more mild gun-owner stereotypes. Not sure if this will move viewers opinions in either direction.
Does anyone know why the BATFE uses to lower as the “gun”?
I would think that the part that loads the pointy things that go bang would be the gun. Although how they do it now is much more convenient for gun owners.
Thanks for the excellent article! It’s a little aged now, but it’s still a very good read! This entire time, I thought I had it figured out, and in my mind I had correlated mass to spin. It was shocking to read that this “fact” isn’t true at all.
In a round about way, mass is definitely related to ideal spin, however, just by proximity. Over a year later, and this article is still blowing the mind of the previously misinformed.
Handled one of the 42s yesterday. It was a lot smaller than some reviews have suggested. Plus it actually feels good in the hand. Much better than the keltec 380. I’ve gone from being not even remotely interested to kinda wanting one. I’m wondering how it feels to shoot since it’s not blowback like a lot of 380s.
If they or any other news organization do plan to go forward why not use the same FOIA on them and their employees and get some dirt on them. Of course I’m not smart enough to know how to put this together but I bet the care takers of TTAG or some of the more savvy posters know how.
in some states, it is a crime to publish this info . . . and I am sure an enterprising state prosecutor will do so . .
I hope they plan to include the names and addresses of current and retired law enforcement officers. Don’t want to leave anyone out…
“What rifle”? (looking around) “I didn’t find anything”
$3000 for a 1911 with custom grips — lol! Bitch better come with a couple M67s.
By the definition of weapon a large number of faculty, staff and students could be in violation of the policy. Anyone with a cigarette lighter has an explosive. Anyone with a lithium battery, explosive. Anyone with pen or pencil has a weapon, and remember the pen is mightier than the sword. Heck I could make a weapon out of just about anything I could find in most classrooms, not to mention the gym/locker rooms, cafeteria, or library. This is totally BS, It is time to star litigation against these mindless a$$holes for this kind of crap.
Slow. Clap.
I’ll quote the defenders of Wake Island…
Well, well, well! My personal doctor, the veterans administration, both recommended I obtain a MMJ card to treat my PTSD as a Vietnam Veteran. I refused because I chose to keep my right to purchase a firearm over treatment to calm my aggressive behavior. So now, I guess I’m an “ARMED” aggressive war veteran walking the streets among you all. “one of many” Oh, but it’s OK that I’m on 80mg. of oxicontin 3 times a day. My God, where is the reasoning ?
Furthermore, because of Obama Care, My counselor informed me that the “free” concealing that I attend bi-weekly is going to start costing me $135.00 a month now. No way! I can buy a lot more ammo for my weapons with that money.
Great story.
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Oh boy……uhhhhhh……you don’t want to bother buying this ammo……I’m sure there are other brands you can find……yeah look away….I’m sure the review is wrong somehow…….
[Obi Wan]…These aren’t the bullets you’re looking for….[ /Obi Wan]
Are they made with the crocodile tears of liberals?