Schumann: Why Aren’t Christian Gun Owners Willing to Disarm and Be Defenseless If They Believe They’re Going to Heaven?

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Taylor Schumann (courtesy taylorschumann.com)

I am angry about the ways guns have poisoned our country like lead seeping into our water. I am angry that people are taught to cling to their personal freedoms and their individual comforts above caring for real life human people. I am angry that the God I believe in, the one who teaches us to love our neighbors, to sacrifice our lives for that of our friend, and to consider others more important than ourselves has been turned into a justification for a right he did not bestow and an ideology that looks nothing like him. So yes, I sure am angry. But more than that, I am sad.

Gun reform isn’t about taking away everyone’s guns, or even the right to own one. But I ask you: even if it was, even if guns were banned tomorrow, why should we be so afraid? If you know and love Jesus and are going to spend eternity in Heaven with him, why does the idea of not having guns anymore scare you so much?

— Taylor Schumann in Are We Attempting to Serve Two Masters, Jesus and Gun Rights?

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  1. Dear Taylor Schumann, if you’re ready to check out of this life, please throw on a sexy little outfit, staple $20 bills all over it and go for a nice unarmed evening stroll in any democratic stronghold city in the US. Tell God I said hey, and that I’ll call him later!

    • She says “If you know and love Jesus and are going to spend eternity in Heaven with him, why does the idea of not having guns anymore scare you so much?”

      Dear Taylor Schumann, “If you know and love Jesus and are going to spend eternity in Heaven with him… why does the idea people having guns scare you so much?”

      You can use that line for anything, to make any action or thought acceptable. It is a cop-out.

      “If you know and love Jesus and are going to spend eternity in Heaven with him, why does the idea of having democrat inner city folks running a train on you scare you so much?”

      • It’s not the death that worries me. It is how those wanting to kill me are going to do it. With supposed atonement for my historic crimes by proxy, it guaranteed the Socialist Justice Warriors are going to make my end as slow and painful as possible so they get my “confession” before I die.

        • I was thinking the same thing. It’s not death that we fear. It’s the pain. That’s why the spies had cyanide pills. Avoid the hours/days of torture before death. Hey, I watched “Braveheart” movie. Wasn’t he gutted before he was drawn and quartered….before he died?

    • The problem is not with Christian ethics (belief-behavior) and guns. It is not spiritual, Bible-observing Christians who are committing criminal acts with guns (as a generic class). Trading non-contextual Bible quotes doesn’t help here, either. Simply put, if every Christian disarmed in sympathy with Ms. Schumann, how will this solve gun violence perpetrated by criminals and crazies? Would we not instead disarm “good guys with guns” at our peril? (I say “guys” even though I’ve read her book reviews at the pre-pub listing of her book and none are “guys”.) Three times in my life I have been where a good guy stopped violence with a gun. The issue isn’t anecdotes or Bible here. It’s evil vs. good and tools that can be used for both.

      Ms. Schumann creates an impressive irony when she calls upon others to spiritually “get over” guns while she continues to obsess over being shot in the hand–as if God couldn’t “get her over” that. She could emphasize safety and training as good Christian ethics for guns. But she leaves the Bible behind for personal representation, and perhaps personal gain, in publishing this book.

  2. Democrats have a decisive lead over Republicans in the production of sophistry. Funny how they can speak with forked tongue, while at the same time speaking out their arses.

        • Sieg Heil taylor schumann der fuhrer sends you best wishes and admiration. Your sneaky backdoor plan to get at the 2A by equating it to lead seeping into water is pure diabolical genius and moves you closer to being selected head master of concentration camps. That is of course once we figure out a way to disarm America so our newest residents will be easy peasy pickens like unarmed Jews. Almost got them all…didn’t we?

          With your continued support taylor schumann for Gun Control rot together one day we’ll exterminate those deplorable gun owning Christians and their God. And on that day of days our arms will extend in salute and the world will be ours…I mean the world will be der Fuhrer’s of course, just using “ours” figuratively after all he is your Fuhrer and you’ll do everything he says….I suggest practicing dropping to your knees taylor schumann. You do not want to disappoint der Fuhrer when it comes time for you meet his little mr. happy…So not to worry, rumor has it you won’t gag a bit taylor schumann

        • How about a Central America hunting trip teaser Thomas?

          What are we gonna hear about when you write it up?

  3. God put us here to live a long and fruitful life, and to be productive humans. He did not put us here to immediately succumb to any low-life scumbag who has no regard for life.
    If Taylor crosses paths with a rapist, is she just going to lay down and give him what he wants?
    Whether it be guns or another weapon, God intended for us to defend ourselves. If she is a true Christian, she would understand that concept.

    • “…teaches us…to sacrifice our lives for that of our friend.”

      I’m pretty sure the concept of sacrificing your life for a friend involves doing so in the hopes that your friend will survive following your sacrifice.

      But there is a reason that at the beginning of every flight the Flight Attendant instructs you that in case of emergency your are to don YOUR OWN oxygen mask before attempting to help others with theirs.

      You are no damned good to anyone if you are DEAD. (Profanity intentionally inserted.)

      “…and to consider others more important than ourselves…” That sounds an awful lot like socialist philosophy to me. As in the society is more important than the individual.

      She also conveniently forgets the concept of “God helps those who help themselves.”

      • We, as Chistians, ARE told to consider others as more important than ourselves but as a check against pride, greed, and self-centeredness; to ensure we treat others with kindness, sympathy and love and not as tools to further our own selfish ambitions (no trampling others on our way to the top). It’s definitely NOT meant to be an endorsement for socialism, not as we’ve known it through history.

      • I think she is off base. However, Christians are encouraged to not think too highly of ourselves and to consider others above ourselves.

        But this is about being humble and led by God through love. It is not a governmental dictate that comes from fear as opposed to from the heart.

        She is not considering the effect of weapon control throughout history and how many die as a result. People who aren’t alive to here the gospel she would like to tell them about I suppose. Nor is she considering the form of freedom oriented government we have. She is quite ignorant.

        God helps those who realize they can’t help themselves. That’s the purpose of Christ coming for the purposes of forgiveness, reconciliation, and newness of life. To infuse people with Himself. As it was at the beginning

        God also gave government for the purpose of bearing the sword against evil. That would include people who wish to enslave others and destroy freedom.

        That includes criminal enterprises, traitors, liberty haters, Marxists and others.
        World history shows what happens when one particular group has the overwhelming amount of power and weapons.

        • I don’t think were to consider other above ourselves, but to love one another as we love our self, and to be of service to our neighbor. In a word, protecting my life or a third party’s life at the cost of someone else’s who’s trying to take mine or said third party is acceptable because all human life is valuable and I’m obligated to protect the life of innocents who aren’t forfeiting their life though sinful violence.

      • “…and to consider others more important than ourselves…””
        That happens to be a quote from St. Paul.

        • “…and to consider others more important than ourselves…””
          That happens to be a quote from St. Paul.”

          Worst kind of misapplication of words, but let me identify “others”: Immediate family. If my immediate family goes hungry, loses the house, has to sell the car to pay funeral expenses, then essentially I determined that thinking more of myself as a hero fails the command to think of “others” (family) as more important than myself.

        • @ Sam I Am
          In the context, the narrowest possible interpretation is that Paul is referring to all the folks in a local church; it can’t be narrowed as far as just “immediate family”.

  4. The Lord helps those who help themselves. Were this not the case we wouldn’t need to get out of bed in the morning.

    We have a duty to defend our own lives. And, an even higher duty to defend the lives of those who depend upon us. If we fail in this duty we should expect to be judged for our negligence.

    Even the Dalai Lama teaches: “If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” Seattle Times, May 15, 2001.

    Guns are not the problem; they are, rather, a part of the solution. There was a time – hundreds of years ago – when there were no guns. Was the world free of violence? Certainly not! It was a more violent time because the strong could prey upon the weak with impunity. Should we long for those days when we were without recourse to the biggest, strongest and most violent men among us?

    Or should we thank Samuel Colt for making a reliable repeating handgun to be the great equalizer?

    Those who use guns as predators would use cutlery or clubs if they had no guns. But fear not, they will always have guns. The gun genie has been out-of-her-bottle for centuries. The Biden administration has abandoned the last pretense of boarder control. Prosecutors, mayors and governors are abandoning any pretense of criminal control. They will reap what they sow.

    Survivors will be those who work-out for themselves that the cavalry isn’t coming; certainly not in time. They must move out of the lawless inner-cities if they can; and arm-up if they can’t.

    • “Or should we thank Samuel Colt for making a reliable repeating handgun to be the great equalizer?”

      Add folks like Gaston Glock.

      While Colt pioneered the concept, they were very expensive back then. The years since then meant folks like Glock (among many others) could develop the manufacturing processes and materials to make those tools affordable enough that even the poor could hope to afford one…

      • I have a better one. Taylor Schumann was shot in the hand in 2013.
        It was at the New River Community College’s satellite campus inside a mall.
        She has never gotten over it or remotely come to terms with being shot in the hand.
        Eight years and she hasn’t made any progress mentally or spiritually.
        The kicker? HER FIRST BOOK IS COMING OUT IN 3 WEEKS.
        You can “connect” with this “author and activist” on her website.
        Good pick for a TTAG story Dan. /sarcasm

        • I categorize these posts as “Know your enemy” posts. We need to be aware of what the opposition is saying just as much as we need to keep track of what they are doing.

        • Indeed, Newshaw. As the saying goes, “I keep my friends close, but my enemies closer”.

        • Anyone buying a copy of the book?
          I think it would sell more copies if she claimed the bullet hole in her hand was stigmata.

        • Zimmerman is the clickbait king.

          Someone needs to take the gal shooting and buy her a handgun. Next time she will be able to shoot back.

        • Yup, I read the story, some nut job, that everyone knew was a nut job and didn’t do anything about it, became a legal adult, passed the background checks, bought a shotgun and went to the Mall Campus and started to fire at the women there.

          The author, Taylor locked herself in a closet and the scum shot through the door hitting her in the hand. The other women hid under a desk.

          The Scum Bag wasn’t good at his job as he had purchased birdshot, buck shot and slugs and could have killed them all easily, if he had understood the difference in the ammo types. His experience with firearms was from Video Games, so I would call that a “Win”, as he thought he knew what he was doing, but didn’t.

          After he was done getting his crazy on, he went outside and surrendered to the Mall Security Guard, complete coward. Turns out he was thinking about shooting up his high school when he was a student there and Walmart, cause they were rude to him (poor Baby). Finally settled on the Mall school as he was enrolled there as a student, but didn’t know the women he shot.

          So parents failed, schools failed, mental health system failed and the background check system didn’t do any good. But remember, the only person at fault here is YOU for owning guns yourself, everyone else is a victim of your selfishness and paranoia.

          Like the rest of you, the only ultimate solution to these scum bags is a Good Guy with a Gun. Ms. Taylor Schumann should have elected to be 100% responsible for her own life and taken a concealed carry class and bought a carry gun for herself, instead of wishing for a “Rainbow Unicorn” World where everyone is disarmed, except the almighty and benevolent Federal Government.

          What should be a short pamphlet entitled, “I hid in the closet and got shot the hand” is undoubtedly and unreadable troupe filled with platitudes about how guns are bad, etc. I doubt the leftists will make it a best seller, anytime soon. Maybe she will take Chipman’s place at the Gifford’s Group, as she is WAY SMARTER than he is, LOL.

    • “Why is TTAG publishing 7th graders’ English class essay assignments?”

      Steph, this falls under the overall concept of “Know The Enemy”, and as such, is very much on-topic for TTAG.

      Reading and discussing such articles gives our side an opportunity to begin developing strategies to counter narratives such as hers.

      TTAG is a ‘Big Tent’ of guns, gun culture, and more importantly, gun rights… 🙂

  5. God helps those who help themselves.

    “When the strong man, fully armed, guards his courtyard, his property is undisturbed”. – Luke 11:21.

    • Jesus told his disciples to protect themselves:

      “He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
      – Luke 22:36

      • Yep, that was my thought. This nitwit would likely tell us that we should all have swords instead of guns, to which I would have to tell her I have both.

  6. I’m not sure this person wants to go down this rabbit hole.

    Why are they mad about people being victims of gun violence when they are going to heaven?

    It’s more about being us being judged for how we live our lives. How do we prevent or alleviate suffering? If my family or community is victimized because I don’t gave up the tools to defend it, how then will I be judged?

    Not to mention that this person is presupposing that more harshly enforced Gun laws will lead to less suffering in the first place. They won’t. They’re just trying to get their audience to look past the sale.

    It is also chilling to me how blatantly this person is in they’re phrasing. It’s not “clinging to our personal freedoms” for its own sake. It’s the fact that preserving those freedoms will prevent suffering from unjust tyrants, in whatever form they take.

    He who trades freedom for security will lose both and deserves neither.

    • “It is also chilling to me how blatantly this person is in they’re phrasing. It’s not “clinging to our personal freedoms” for its own sake. It’s the fact that preserving those freedoms will prevent suffering from unjust tyrants, in whatever form they take.”

      It’s a deliberate strategy, Anna, by those intent on destroying us.

      “He who trades freedom for security will lose both and deserves neither.”

      The pure evil of those out to destroy meant the ‘requests’ they make will sound perfectly ‘reasonable’… 🙁

        • “Face it, heaven is not where the fun people will be.”

          But I like beer cold, not *boiling*… 🙁

        • im himmel gibt’s kein bier
          drum trinken wir es hier
          denn sind wir nicht mehr hier
          dann trinken die andern unser bier

        • There is no beer in heaven
          so let’s drink it here
          because when we are no longer here
          then the others drink our beer

          LOL 🙂

        • Houdini told me all they have in heaven is Milwaukee’s Best Light.
          I’m not particularly fond of that brand.
          Satan serves up Jack Daniels, no ice.

        • I learned that as:

          In Heaven there ain’t no beer; that’s why we drink it here!
          And since we’re still down here, hand me another beer!

          Though on a canoe trip once we all sang the first line and took turns making up a second line — passed more than a few miles on the river that way.

        • Weird — I clicked to edit my comment and the comment never appeared; the box just sat there until the time for editing ran out. I wanted to add to my above that when it was my turn to come up with a new second line, I went with this:

          But brothers, do not fear; God’s got things better than beer!

        • There has to be beer in heaven. If they have bread they have yeast and if they have yeast they have beer. Y’all in doubt seriously need to get your minds right.

      • I’m not sure about beer, but it seems pretty obvious that there will be wine in heaven.

        Also, as Benjamin Franklin said, beer (actually, again, wine) is evidence that God exists and that he loves us.

        • I have had many a great time on a bottle of wine. Strawberry or blackberry are wonderful!!!

  7. Given a large group of people there is always a certain percentage that falls into the low end of the IQ bell curve.

    I present you Taylor Schumann.

  8. >wants to create “God’s Kingdom on Earth”
    >by turning the entire world into an oppressive atheist-communist hellscape

    This is what Democrats actually believe.

    • The definition of Tyranny is one man or a group’s, attempting to create “Their Version” of Heaven on Earth.

      Our Founders were wise, recognizing that each person was free to created their version of happiness on Earth, as long as they don’t violate the Rights of others.

      Simple Principals that escape the fools among us.

  9. For those who want to prop up control with religion I offer this:
    Luke 22:36

    “…He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one…”

    • Yes and they had three swords, Jesus made a whip and walked into what in that day, functioned as a bank and trashed the place and whipped those conducting business there.

      If this happened today, people like Taylor Schumann would be calling for their arrest and severe punishment. Hmmm.

  10. as if to suggest the ability to defend negates philanthropy.
    i can provide more support and relief while the short bus rolls than after a grinding halt.
    i’m comfortable judging others- him first.

  11. The Communists call children like this “useful idiots”.
    I am sick and tired of those who do not read the Bible telling us what Christians should do.
    We teach unintended firearms injuries result form IGNORANCE and CARELESSNESS.
    What is her excuse?

  12. ” I am angry that people are taught to cling to their personal freedoms and their individual comforts above caring for real life human people. ”

    My personal freedom does not preclude caring for others. My comforts are what I have earned without taking from others.

    Your anger is misguided and is false anger. You are angry because you feel you shouldn’t need to be responsible for yourself or your failings.

    Don’t live life in anger it only leads to misery. And you wish to force your misery on others.

    • Instead of clinging to freedoms we should desire slavery and servitude?

      She does need anger management for all her anger. Question: are the “christians clinging to their guns and refusing to give them up” also the same people causing the “gun violence?” There are laws and such for dealing with people committing crimes with guns or even other weapons, murder, etc, so if any of these christians are causing trouble to society with their guns, surely they will be arrested, tried, and punished accordingly.

      It seems she wants the people not engaged in violence to take one for the team and lay down their arms because guns are evil and, um, that will make the evil go away or something?

  13. From the article; ‘Jesus says this is what loving our neighbor is. It is seeing their needs and taking care of them the way we take care of our own.’

    So if your neighbor is being beaten, raped or robbed, wouldn’t the Christian thing to do be to intervene rather than wait until the assault is over and tend to his/her wounds?

  14. “I was somehow labeled unpatriotic and un-American for wanting to reduce gun violence.” – Bullshit! She was called that for promoting restrictions on a constitutionally-protected right under the deluded idea that that would somehow reduce gun violence, despite a complete lack of valid evidence that it’s ever worked.

    • I guess in her patriotic mind the pilgrims should have not sought a new country where they could worship according to their faith, instead they should have chosen obedience to man over God.

      The Patriots should have submitted to their British authorities, how dare they defy the crown, they should have accepted their fate, they were going to heaven anyway right?

      The country shouldn’t have fought a civil war, don’t resist slavery or argue over rights (state or federal), just be happy. The slaves shouldn’t want freedom, just serve their masters, they are going to heaven anyway.

      Should anyone have resisted English, German, Japanese, or Soviet imperialism? Don’t fight, let them do what they want, you are going to heaven anyway!

  15. Will you really follow the Word?

    Psalm 82:4 “Rescue weak and needy people. Help them escape the power of wicked people.”

    Proverbs 24:11 “Rescue captives condemned to death, and spare those staggering toward their slaughter.”

    How will you protect the needy and weak if you yourself are weak?

    Psalm 144:1 “Praise the Lord, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.”

    Psalm 18:34 “He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.”

    Isaiah 49:25 “Who can snatch the plunder of war from the hands of a warrior? Who can demand that a tyrant let his captives go?”

    Only a strong and free people remains strong and free to exercise their religion, pray to God and defend the weak and helpless. Disarming yourself merely makes you and your family victims for the wicked.

    • Those are all good verses regarding this subject. I would add, Luke chapter 22:36 “he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

      1 Timothy 5:8, “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

      And finally Nehemiah 4:13-14, “and I set the people according to families with their swords, their spears, and their bows. And I looked and arose and said to the nobles, to the leaders, and to the rest of the people, do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, great and awesome, and fight for your brethren, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your houses.”

    • “Only a strong and free people remains strong and free to exercise their religion, pray to God and defend the weak and helpless. Disarming yourself merely makes you and your family victims for the wicked.”

      Who authored that?

  16. If her question was serious I would loan her my copy of Professor Paul Markel’s “Faith & the Patriot: A Belief Worth Fighting For”.

    • “Gun reform isn’t about taking away everyone’s guns, or even the right to own one. But…”

      They always add the word “but.” It’s how you know they don’t mean what they say.

      • “They always add the word “but.” It’s how you know they don’t mean what they say.”

        I would be completely happy with 2A being absolute, and accept the consequences. But….reality is we all know someone who should not be in the same zip code where a firearm is available.

        A conundrum of the first order.

        • “But….reality is we all know someone who should not be in the same zip code where a firearm is available.”

          Risky freedom or peaceful slavery? You choose.

      • A cloak was literally life support for anyone outside the city gates after dark. Temperature can plunge to freezing at night in the desert.

        It’s a bit tough to imagine, but space is a very *cold* region. Cloudless skies at night exposes that cold, and towards dawn, it gets lethally cold in the desert…

  17. Before I had a wife and children, I was, 100%. I would have given my life rather than take another life, for precisely that reason: I know how my story ends, and I don’t fear it.

    But now, with a family, I am placed in a position of responsibility, by that very same God, to protect their lives.

    Further, as I have grown and matured, I recognize that very same God has woven throughout his Word the principle that human life, created in God’s image, is sacred, that to take innocent human life is ultimate evil, and that to protect innocent human life is righteous: Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

    Certainly, that’s not to say that as Christians we should develop a martyr complex, and we are not all/generally called to seek out opportunities to make that ultimate sacrifice. It merely means that we are called to protect life, rather than acquiesce to evil. Also, it demonstrates that the author’s understanding of our Creator is lacking with respect to His calling and our stance regarding self-defense and defense of others.

    • Further Paul states “he that doesn’t provide for HIS FAMILY is worse than an infidel”. I am commanded to provide protection for my loved ones. To the death. I know where I’m going. One wonder’s if this gal is cool with murdering babies…

    • Very well state, Chip. I agree with all you said above.

      The comments section for this particular article is proving to be very instrumental in showing where the commenters stand on the topic of faith. I’m going to bookmark this article so I can more thoroughly read all of them later.

      Right now…I need to get dressed for church. 🙂

    • Christ’s admonition to “turn the other cheek” has absolutely nothing to do with response to physical harm/violence. It is a response to insult, not threat of physical harm.

        • No; as plainly obvious, from the text: 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

          The average person is right-handed. If a right-handed person slaps you on the right cheek, that person is performing a back-handed slap. Then, as now, such a slap was intended as an insult, not as an act of physical harm.

  18. Well, where to start??? First of all, I agree, it is a third graders essay in both style and content.

    Number one, religion and self-government are two different things (render unto Caesar…) and our founders understood that our Creator Endowed ALL PEOPLE, not just Christians with certain rights, which where recognized (not created or established) in the United States Constitution.

    The Right to Arm predates the existence of modern humans, as to deny someone that Right was to condemn them to starvation, death at the claws of animals or the hands of other humans. It was only the establishment of a “Necessary Evil” – Government, that Man attempted to disarm other men for the sake of gaining or preserving political power over their fellows.

    Ms. Taylor Schumann is just another would be totalitarian, who would use the (false) tenants of their religion to control their fellow man and bend them to their will, This is no different than what the Council of Guardians does in Iran. People like these are the reason we have a 2nd Amendment and it is also the reason we do not have a theocracy government by Dogma.

    The list of those murdered, killed, tortured and otherwise abused by religion is quite long and Christians have done their fair share throughout history, all in the name of various Gods. Schumann’s comments are akin to a Nazi Party member telling a Jew, not to arm themselves for protection from the government and the mob, but rather rely on their faith to protect them. Last time, around 80 years ago, that didn’t work out so well.

    People like this are simply useful idiots of the Left and are best refuted and then ignored.

    • “The list of those murdered, killed, tortured and otherwise abused by religion is quite long and Christians have done their fair share throughout history…”

      You are, I believe, making the same mistake Obama did when he defended Islamic terrorists by saying that “Christians had committed atrocities in the crusades” or some such drivel.

      Where you to look up the word “Christian” in a contemporary dictionary, you will likely find ten or more definitions. This dilution of the meaning of Christian has rendered it almost meaningless.

      But what was the original definition? And where was the word first used?

      In Acts 11.26, we are told that those following Christ were first called Christians at Antioch. The Greek (the language used to record the New Testament) word “Χριστιανός”, pronounced “khris-tee-an-os'”, meant “a follower of Christ”.

      This is the reason that Biblical Christians have referred to Roman Catholics as either “papists” (followers of the pope), or “Romanists” (followers of Rome), during the middle ages, during which time the RC Church waged scorched-earth war against Biblical Believers with the Inquisition.

      It was Roman Catholics who launched the Crusades against the Muslim hordes, not True Bible Believing Christians.

      • There was only one “Church” until the reformation begun by Martin Luther, Prior to that was the Great Schism, when the Eastern (Greek) half of the Catholic Church, Spilt off from the Western or Roman (Latin) Church in the year 1053 AD.

        Both the Catholics and the Orthodox Church can and do, rightly claim they were founded at the Pentecost. ALL of the rest were founded later and I could care less what they believe or why they think they are the only “True Religion”, etc. History is History and it has nothing to do with faith or belief.

        To be sure, the Reformation in 1521, was a great moment in human history and ultimately for Human freedom, however to pretend, as so many protestants do, that they, “The True Christians” were always there, lurking under rocks and in the shadows is basically pure drivel. Yes there were different sects like the Gnostics or the Coptic and Ethiopian Churches, but 99% of Christians were Catholic before the Great Schism. Western Europe was united under the “True Church” until 1521.

        Governments and the Churches directly both committed horrible acts and crimes in the name of their faith. That is a fact. This does not excuse anyone else’s crimes or behavior, nor does it provide justification for those behaviors. Any pronouncements by Mr. Obama should be given the same weight as those of a cartoon character.

        • Au contraire, mon frere, (to quote Bugs Bunny). If you rely on Catholic Church History, you get their version.

          The Vatican Library is a vast suppository of historical documents, “pronouncements”, edicts, “bulls”, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

          It happens to contain many “reports” from RC archbishops throughout history, especially during the Inquisition, of the many times the Roman Catholics had put down “hordes” of “re-baptizers” (mainly by eradicating all members), of these “sects” (to use your word), with the addendum that “mother church” must remain vigilant, else the “re-baptizers” would spread throughout “Christendom”, (the word “Christendom” itself being a RC invention).

          The Roman Catholic “Church” was not formed until the end of the fourth century AD, in an attempt to consolidate power over the people, who have always tended to superstition. The “Eastern Church” did the same, as did the various denominations that formed after Luther’s 95 Theses were nailed to the door of Wittenberg Castle Church in 1517.

          For those that follow the Bible solely as God’s Word to man know, there is no Biblical authority for any hierarchy of believers, the only priesthood is the priesthood of the true believer, no authority for any of the many rites of most “Christian churches”.

          The only Biblical rites are believers’ baptism (which precludes infant baptism), and “Communion”, which is a simple remembrance – no “trans-substantiation”, no “auricular confession”, “last rites”, or any other such foolishness.

          This often sounds awful radical to most people “raised” Christian, but read the Bible, “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)

        • “The Vatican Library is a vast suppository of historical documents…”

          Nice play on words there, Ahnold. Depository/suppository. Nice.

  19. “… I am angry that people are taught to cling to their personal freedoms…”

    There’s the problem, right there. She doesn’t believe in individual liberty. Everything must be subsumed the the collective will.

    I am angry at being constantly assaulted by liberal a-holes like her.

  20. That is the same thinking in which a mother kills all her children to save them from potential sins as adults.

    My question to her is, why aren’t you happy that Christians keep firearms? The Christian thing to do would be to keep the firearm for hunting and sports and only use it in defense.
    With all the firearms in private ownership, why aren’t there shootings everyday in all cities and counties? The reason is most people that buy a gun legally plan to use it legally. If it is a deterrent, great. You spend your hard earned money($200 for a HiPoint is expensive for many, surely $500 or more is expensive) for piece of mind.
    This woman should be glad that her Christian (and other law abiding) neighbors are armed.

  21. It’s blatantly obvious that this individual does not understand what being a Christian means or what being a gun owner is all about. To say nothing of what freedom is.

  22. Grew up in a strict religious household. Quickly learned that the those that were always spouting off on how to live based on religious sciptures were often the first to screw you over in business and friendship using religion to do so…. Most use religion to cover for the evil they do. Not for me. There is a reason they go to church every sunday, because they were screwing everyone over all week, they need forgiveness to get set for another week of f*#king people . I don’t infringe on others lives, but I suffer no fools.

    • I’m sorry that you had those bad experiences during your upbringing. I’m sure your wise enough to know that not everyone who claims belief is being honest and that everyone, even those who believe, all have various flaws. The Bible has a lot to say about hypocrites and about not using faith in Christ as an excuse for evil. Your right not to suffer fools. Proverbs has a lot to say about them. God bless.

      • Hypocrites are the worst. All Christians are sinners, but they aren’t all hypocrites. It’s best not to be prejudiced and make assumptions about people just because they’re [_____].

    • “Quickly learned that the those that were always spouting off on how to live based on religious sciptures were often the first to screw you over in business and friendship using religion to do so…”

      Discovered that as well, when I moved into the ‘Deep South’.

      And the ones doing it the loudest were the the ones I had the biggest problems with, sadly… 🙁

      • Always puzzling how flawed humans are demanded to exhibit flawless adherence to a set of standards.

        “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.”
        – – James Madison, Federalist 51

        The expression above applies to more than the US Constitution

  23. Beat your swords into plow shears. And drive over your enemies with a tractor.
    The lion shall lay with the lamb. Right after it rips its head off.
    It is harder for a rich man to enter the gates then it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Not if you blow the camel into little pieces.

    • The Proverbs of Possum. Apocryphal. The scroll was discovered by an ATF patrol as they cleared the smoldering wreckage of a home with a suspected cache of bump stocks.

      • Good thing he’s got a burrow in a ditch besides a county road somewhere in Kansas.

        With a fresh supply of crawdads and catfish, anytime he wants… 🙂

        • Them ditches are underwater at this time. Moderate flooding washed all the crawdads downstream.

    • Swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruninghooks and the lion laying down with the lamb is not in this current evil world. It is when Christ returns and then there will be no more war. It is not psychobabble about disarmament.

    • Case in point. I have a large driveway, I was having morning coffee when a four door sedan pulls in and four nicely dressed middle aged women get out and start walking towards me. The start with “Good morning, may we speak with you concerning your chice of faith”. Coffee mug in hand, I stood up, took my phone out, and announced “You are trespassing, get the F*%K off my property right now, I have the Sheriff’s office on speed dial”. Evidently they have never been confronted by someone who didn’t want to hear the tag line. They retreated and left. I smiled, feeling felt like I just trespassed the Devil.

      People who have time to drive around wanting to recruit others to their cult, are obviously not working hard enough, in order to have extra time for this B.S.

  24. “I am angry that the God I believe in, the one who teaches us to love our neighbors, to sacrifice our lives for that of our friend, and to consider others more important than ourselves has been turned into a justification for a right he did not bestow and an ideology that looks nothing like him.”

    From the Talmud:

    “If a man is coming to kill you rise early and kill him first”

    • If you could look back 10 or 15 thousand years, before religion was invented, you’d discover that defending yourself was ABSOLUTELY understood as an absolute right from the day you were born, how could you be so stupid as to ask?

  25. Dunno….Amy’s words border on hate speech.

    She says all of us gun- folk are wrapped up in our own self enjoyment and care nothing for others. She seems to believe our faith is misguided; that her understanding of God is correct while our faith is corrupted by our ownership of firearms.

    The Grand Inquisitor would have hired her in a heartbeat.

    Not that I actually knew the Grand Inquisitor…we were on different continents…thank God….just read about him in the papers. He wore dresses.

  26. If anyone closely reads the Bible it says the world is satan’s playground…Satan offered Jesus all he wanted of his world..God will RETURN to this world and RECLAIM IT one day..But God is hands off this world…GOD cannot return if he was here already…Being a believer has nothing to do with what happens here….YOU AND I are on our own here…Evil will always be seeking you and I out….One day you will be hunted and possibly killed for your faiths…I prefer to FIGHT for mine…

  27. I owe my right to defend myself by any means necessary to the first Neanderthal that picked up a pointy stick and realized it would provide food, clothing, shelter and defense against predators of all kinds. I do not need god or ben Franklin or anybody else telling me I have the right to kill some bastard breaking into my home. Yeah, yeah god came before Neanderthals. If you believe that sort of thing.

    • No God, no basis for any “morality” or law. All simply arbitrary. Believing the entire universe and earth, man, and everything man can create is just happenstance takes more faith than believing there is a Creator to such a creation.

      • And yet the vast majority of atheists live moral, ethical lives (many believing their morality superior, because it’s based on their own rational balancing of interpersonal interests vs. selfish fear of punishment according to some externally-imposed reward system), while many evil-doers invoke faith to justify their evil.

        • The vast majority of atheists have adopted Judeo-Christian values despite rejecting their source.

          And of course the inverse is also true in some cases.

        • So, what is an atheist? Someone who rejects all conceptualization of God. Not a bad starting point. Since we all share in God’s existence, then God is within all of us. An atheist may have created, within himself, an opportunity to hear God without theological concepts.

          The mystical Saints such as Augustine, Katherine of Sienna, and Francis, all said God cannot be thought, but can be experienced. Thomas Aquinas, although not commonly thought of as a mystic, writes of this in his Summa Theologica.

          Beliefs are theology, and are expressed in words. Words are limited to the thoughts we can form. Faith is not a belief, it is an experience. Words sometimes cannot capture an experience. Rejecting concepts of God is not necessarily a rejection of God. It could be a door, opening.

          So, why not credit atheists with creating opportunity within themselves to hear God’s voice unfiltered?

          I mean ‘some’ atheists, because I’ve met more than a few who were too angry, too resentful, too noisey inside to hear any voice but their own. Then again, I’ve met Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists who also seemed filled with their own noise.

        • I think Looking at this from a secular perspective. I see most atheists promote the worst, most destructive human behavior in society. They reject the teachings of Christianity. Or even other religions that teach people to have self-control. And not to do things that cause harm to themselves and to other people.

          The Atheist Congressman Pete Stark from California, was anti-gun. He was as anti-civil rights, as Shannon Watts is from Moms Demand Action.

        • @LifeSavor

          Fuck. That is one of the most insightful, beautiful things I’ve ever read.

      • Hey, Red, who do you suppose created your creator? You can look around and see what actually exists, and a god is not among things you can see. But you cannot believe the things you can see simply exist, with no intelligent “creator”? Fine. So, where did that creator come from, if you cannot believe it simply exists, and always existed? I can see my universe, I can accept it has always existed. I cannot see your god, and I cannot believe such an unlikely creature has ever existed, much less always. I believe it simply a construct of those who wish to control the actions of others by threatening them with ridiculous superstitious nonsense.

        • LarryinTX you make a lot of assumptions.

          You assume that your five senses can detect all that exists.

          You assume that all you’ve learned and experienced on this tiny little planet is enough information to deny the existence of God.

          You assume you can read the minds of everyone who believes in God.

          You assume that there will never be any future discoveries that validate belief in God by yourself or others.

          You assume that you know what took place in the past to conclude that all religious views are simply made up by people.

          You assume that because we limited beings cannot fully comprehend everything about a God who created everything (such as where He came from), that that must mean He doesn’t exist.

          If as you say religious people just want to control others then how did the mostly Christian founders of our country manage to start the most free and prosperous nation in history?

        • Nww. They started the freeist and greatest nation on earth by accident. Some of those founders were slave owners and none of them, to my knowledge, had any idea of allowing women equal status as adults.

        • JWM so what? People back then weren’t perfect, people now aren’t perfect. We no longer have slavery and women have equal rights now. Did you expect all social wrongs to go away over night? The founders did make provision for amendments to the constitution because they understood that other inherent/God given rights would be discovered or clarified over time. You can call this nation an accident if you want. I’ll thank God for His blessings on our nation.

  28. The Founders considered it a sacred duty to defend your life using all available means. In fact, they considered not defending your life and allowing yourself to be murdered without putting up the greatest resistance possible to be equal to suicide, a mortal sin.

    If you accept the premise that God put us on this earth for a purpose, then defending yourself so pursuit of this purpose is not cut off prematurely is eminently logical and theologically sound.

    Or, as Loretta Lynn once sang (covering a classic hymn): “everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.”

    • If we are persecuted for just being Christians, that is a different matter. We are to rejoice if we are persecuted for Christ. That is totally different than protecting oneself from tyrannical government or criminals.

      • I get it, but….If I am persecuted for Christ, or for anything, I am going to be too busy fighting back to rejoice. Joyful fighting…I guess some folk can do that. Me…fight now, party later.

  29. Christianity Today, say no more. Once a decent publication, this is the kind of silliness they publish now. Should never give them the free publicity. I note that she only mentions the Lord’s Prayer and no other Scripture. That’s because there isn’t any other Scripture to justify her silliness. If we are persecuted as Christians, that’s one thing. Disarming us and the right to defend ourselves from criminals is something else. Make no mistake, it IS all about disarming us.

  30. Christians in America still have it pretty good. So good some of us fail to realize just how quick our right to worship would vanish if we couldn’t defend ourselves.

    Of course we know this isn’t really about Christian living.

  31. If you know and love Jesus and are going to spend eternity in Heaven with him, why does the idea of people owning guns scare you so much?

  32. god talks to theBiden in his dreams. theBiden said so himself.
    That’s why you’ll find him checking the tire pressure on his vehicle at 3 in the morning.

  33. Thomas Jefferson wrote in “An Act for Establishing Religion Freedom” (1786) “…our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than on our opinions in physics or geometry…”.

  34. I never read the trash that comes from the likes of a Taylor Schumann.
    I am long past using tactful words,Taylor would go full blown executioner if she thought God told her to. If you know the truth about living in a once free country, then you already know what happens next.

  35. Dear Ms. Schumann,
    I believe you have been badly misinformed about Jesus’ stand on self-defense. Jesus never taught pacifism against active evil. Please read my book, “A Tme To Kill:The Bible and Self-Defense”. It traces God’s approval of self-defense from Genesis through Revelation. My conclusion is that God commands us to defend the innocent, and blesses us for doing so. It explains Jesus’ “hard” sayings: “turn the other cheek”, and “live by the sword, due by the sword” in their biblical contexts. He approved use of both armor and weapons to defend the home, which Moses sanctioned in Ex. 22: 1-3. The book also has 3 chapters on Jesus and the military. He never told anyone to quit the army. It shows that God honors police and military in defending the innocent. It also has 3 chapters on the Bible and the death penalty. I taught Bible for 40 years, am on my 32nd year as a lawyer. As city prosecutor, I trained a 350 person dept. on legal use-of force. I’ve spent 30 years training citizens with concealed carry permits and church security teams law of self-Defense in AL. I’ve been In criminal defense, clerked at the AL Court of Criminal Appeals, been a City Court Judge in two towns, court-certified expert witness on use-of-force in TN and AL, and Reserve Officer in my hometown in Ohio.
    Please examine my book. I think you would find interesting and helpful. It’s on Amazon, in paperback and Kindle.
    God bless you as you study this important subject.

  36. Got to be an awesome gun range up there Dan. I’m they have their own version of 3-gun so I don’t want to be out of practice if and when I get there.

  37. Even responding to a moron such as the author of that “suicide note” gives credence where none is deserved…..

  38. This person who wrote this ridiculous article doesn’t know anything about Jesus or His word the AV1611 (for English speaking people) aka The Holy Bible. God didn’t instruct his disciples to just lay down their arms and let themselves and their families be murdered. Here’s a good example from a Christian like myself who believes that self defense is Biblical according to scripture.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LqXG_XCGZzM&list=PLvWuGe0XENWviPLMMQ49bufU6Tu65Zf-Y&index=54

  39. Jesus told his followers to take of their purse or if they did not have a purse sell their cloaks and but a sword.

    He also beat the money changers from the temple.

    Maybe this critter should actually read the Bible instead of listening some doctrine hatched to manipulate people into behaving like little slaves.

    • The money-changers story is fascinating in its historical context: they’d set up shop in what was an area reserved for guests — it was the “porch” that was supposed to be for Gentiles who hadn’t yet taken the steps necessary to join the tribes of Israel. In colloquial terms, it was like the receiving room in a house where guests would be welcomed, offered refreshments, and treated with honor until they could be received by the master of the house.

      So Jesus was being a firm libertarian here: the money-changers were home invaders squatting in the room where honored guests were to be received, and He did what one ought to do to such intruders!

  40. Too bad you don’t live in south Chicago, east Los Angeles, St. Louis, MO, Portland, Frisco or DC! Sometimes it’s job of the Sheep Dogs to keep the flock safe.

  41. Why does Shumann go to a doctor if she believes she’ll go to Heaven? (Assuming she’s not a Christian Scientist) Why does Schumann wear a seat belt if she believes she’ll go Heaven? Why have smoke alarms? Why not go BASE jumping or free climbing without training? So asinine.

  42. Shumann is one of those who C. S. Lewis was referring to:

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” C. S. Lewis

  43. Alma 45:45 Nevertheless, the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for monarchy nor power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.
    Alma 45:46 And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.
    Alma 45:47 And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.

  44. “I am angry that the God I believe in…has been turned into a justification for…”

    …Unlimited illegal immigration? Because Democrats are constantly doing that. How about when Pelosi very passively aggressively says she is praying for Trump? Does that make you angry?

  45. Taylor Schumann, Guns are the only reason you can claim to be a Christian. Otherwise The current administration would have used corona virus and tue IRS to perminately shutter all Christian churches.

    They want you to worship the democratic(American communist) party and not have any rights in the bill of rights.

    And while you claim to be a Christian,bit seems you buy into thier antichristian rhetoric that AOC and Omar champion

  46. Holding my tongue, since this would be like admonishing a second grade essay prompt for “write about a time you were got hurt and how you think things could be made safer”, where the response was “one time someone got mad during t-ball and threw a bat that hit me. We should get rid of bats”.

    Bravo on the verses posted above.

    Half serious: maybe Schumann is trying to goad the unstable into penning death threats and the article is really her projecting a death wish. In which case, she should be seeking counselling, as others have recommended.

  47. No one wants to die for nothing, even if most live for it. The day will come when swords will be beaten into plows and spears into pruning saws, but until then my guns won’t be given up for any politician, government agency, or whiney child with a book deal.

    • Agriculture is poisonous to individual liberty. It’s the big government of food theory. Permaculture and hunter/gatherer is the human way. And that means we will always need weapons to survive. Tech is temporary just like civilization and empire.

  48. How on earth is Eric married to this woman? Eric, has she torn your nuts off or something? Why in the hell are you still with this weird woman? Leave her and take the dogs with you before it’s too late!

  49. God put the will to survive in me. Jesus secured free will for me. I’m not scared it’ll happen your scared it won’t.

  50. Christians should be for guns and for gun rights if for any reason at all because guns are used for hunting.

  51. Dear Taylor, I am happy to hear that you live in a bubble. That you may have never seen violence and have enjoyed the comforts of the modern world so much that you have developed a perspective that of which someone from a well off gated community would hold. I ask that you study and read up on The Great Purge of the 1930s in Russia. Your once friends of the secular world may one day cause you great harm with no forewarning. I pray this day may never come. The defense of the innocent is something that is just, for there is great evil in this world. Ill pray for you.

  52. My response (shared on FB)
    Arguments from people such as this survivor of a shooting on a college campus drive me nuts. Here she tries to use religion as a way to make “christians” disarm. That we can not possibly be Bible believing and gun owners at the same time. I get that people can be blind by their experiences. She was terrified by an evil person who decided to use a firearm to inflict damage. In my sisters case, the evil attacker used a common serrated kitchen knife and other items to try to kill her. Taylor blames the inanimate object instead of the evil person behind that tool. We didn’t go to court to try the serrated knife…. As Christians, we understand we don’t have a firearm, or knife, or bat, or hammer or fist problem, we have a MORALITY problem. We have a people do not care about other people and are selfish so they hurt other people problem… Bad things happen to good people all the time, there is sin and evil in the world. You can pray all you want, but it is not a guarantee of safety. There have to be good people using tools to combat the evil that lurks. She looks at it like you we are just clinging to our guns for the “what ifs”. Guess what? The What If happened to my sister, it happened to my fellow LEO wifes sister, it happened to our friends 14 yr old daughter just a few miles down the road from my parents house. We carry and prepare for those what ifs because those what ifs can become a reality incredibly fast. You don’t get to choose those what if times. Jesus was not against self defense, he was against using tools against others unjustly and in an evil way….. I will STILL be a Bible believing and Jesus loving person, and I will STILL practice my right to carry a firearm for the defense of myself, my family, and if need be others. I’m not serving two masters, Im serving God and ministering to others by sharing how you can protect yourself AND know how to defend ones self. “I know a thing or two, because Ive seen a thing or two….”
    Mary Callison 1MMAGC.org

  53. @Chris T In KY

    “Risky freedom or peaceful slavery? You choose.”

    If you read closely, you will note that I already did make a choice.

  54. It seems there are lots of folks out there, who are very uncomfortable with the 1st Amendment to the Bill Of Rights.
    The signs of a “great seperation” coming are here to see. If you want to open your eyes?

  55. Her ignorance is astounding. Jesus said “Sell your cloak & buy a sword” (Luke 22:36). The modern sword is a firearm.

    Psalm 144:1 says “Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight..” and that means training on your defensive tools.

    Psalm 82:3,4 says “Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.” You can’t do that without defense tools.

    There’s many other verses. Self-defense and defense of family, friends & community is 100% biblical. Schumann is a Christian in Name Only (CHINO) and does NOT know the Bible.

    We who are in Christ definitely trust Him, but we do not trust leftists and the criminals they love, support, aid & abet. THAT is why we stay armed. Being armed is prudent because evil still exists. And those who would disarm us are evil to the core. Also, they lie and are of the Devil who is the father of lies. They say they don’t want to disarm us but everyone knows that’s the biggest gun control lie of them all. Every major disarmament in the last 120 years is always without exception followed by DEMOCIDE.

    Gun ownership tends to discourage democide and the Bible commands believers to resist it. “If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?”
    (Proverbs 24:11-12)

    No armed Jew or Christian ever got sent to a death camp. Not that I would expect Taylor Schumann to know this it is clear she lacks basic education, critical thinking skills, or logic. I pity the fool!

  56. Do NOT be fooled, folks. This woman most likely knows d-mn well that what she is proposing is fundamentally unChristian and against the principles of the Bible. Emotionalism aside, this woman can string sentences together: she probably knows on a deep level that what she’s doing is highly harmful to the Body of Christ.

    Taylor Schumann is highly manipulative and enabling of genocide.

    ***There, I said it.***

    She CLAIMS to be a Christian, yet she’s demanding that her fellow brethren be willing to disarm for the sake of the Gospel—when even a cursory study of history shows that populations that lay down their weapons ***almost inevitably are genocided AFTERWARDS??***

    What the Hades kind of a “Christian” is this woman???

    The Bible states categorically that “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel (1Timothy 5:8), and it also states: “As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith (Galatians 6:10).”

    ***HOW IS AN ATTEMPT TO SHAME CHRISTIANS INTO GIVING UP THEIR ARMS OR SUBMITTING TO GUNGRABBING DOING GOOD TO THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH???*** Very fundamental question that I want everyone to ask themselves. Moreover, we should be headed to Taylor Schumann’s website and **asking her this question.**

    These advocates for “gun control” (more accurately read, GUN-GRABBING) are not entirely stupid. They’re irrational as the devil himself, but the fact is that they are also cunning and crafty as well as intellectually dishonest: they KNOW that Christians in the US are holding tight to their firearms because we’re facing an impending genocide that’s on the verge of starting quite soon (Biden: “Christians have no right to exist,” verified as an actual quote and spoken in 2015.)

    Schumann and her ilk are hoping to shame the Body of Christ as a whole into giving up our weaponry–either because they “believe what they want to believe,” i.e., they are infected with a STRONG DELUSION that paves the way for the Antichrist–they are quite cynically, deliberately setting up the Bride of Christ through Antichrist, Satanic psychological warfare. Unfortunately, Christians that are Scripturally ignorant are in danger for falling this shaming psychological operation from the very pit of hell itself, and we the more mature Christians are going to have to “redpill” the babes in Christ into *not falling for these lies of the devil.*

    I believe that collectively, We the Church need to head over to her website and counter-shame her LIKE CRAZY. Doesn’t have to be today, but it had best be *soon.* People like Taylor Schumann are either strongly-duped babes in Christ who don’t know their Bibles and are being used unwittingly by globalist mass-murderers that are literally quite hellbent on ridding the earth of the Church, OR she’s quite the deliberate wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    Either way, this woman deserves the public rebuke of the century that will hopefully leave her ears ringing and her heart in shreds. She has **NO basis or right** to set up an entire group of people to be mass-murdered just because, weakling that she is, she can’t get over an injury on her hand based on what some crazed madman did.

    It’s not my position or job to judge her salvation, her relationship with Jesus–nor is it anyone’s to judge her salvation. “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again” (Matthew 7:1-2).

    It IS our business to tell her off as being a Judas to the entire Household of Faith, a Grade-A betrayer of other Christians whether she cares to admit the truth to herself or not. She also needs to be very harshly informed that there is NO WAY she can claim to serve Lord Jesus Himself while trying to–either by accident or on purpose–setting up His lambs for mass extermination through shaming them out of their weapons, and that GOD HIMSELF will hold her accountable, for:

    “For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous” (1 John 3: 11-12).

    And:

    “We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?” (1 John 3: 14-17, KJV).

    Whether Taylor Schumann cares to admit it or not, the Right To Keep And Bear Arms, INCLUDING firearms, is “the world’s good”–a harsh kind of good, I grant, but a very necessary good that the Almighty Holy One provided because He knew that the strong of the human race bully and kill the weak. She needs to be told just this very thing, and I counsel everyone reading this ****to publicly REBUKE HER for the evil that she’s caving into through a despicable, anti-life heresy.**** Thank you for your patience and taking the time to read this.

  57. “Gun reform isn’t about taking away everyone’s guns, or even the right to own one.” …

    Yes, it very much is.. for a significant portion of the legislating body. Several laws in California specifically are intentionally designed to be impossible to comply with, in a perverse effort to effectively ban firearms, while offering the illusion of not violating the second amendment. Go look up the handgun roster and requirements for registering a self made firearm, and I will explain the physics of why those regulations are impossible to follow.

    “But I ask you: even if it was, even if guns were banned tomorrow, why should we be so afraid? If you know and love Jesus and are going to spend eternity in Heaven with him, why does the idea of not having guns anymore scare you so much?” …

    You are effectively suggesting that “it is ok not to have guns, because even if you are killed, you will still be in the arms of baby Jesus, so who cares?” This is an appeal to the absurd, as for it to be a logically sound argument, you must first accept that this life is totally meaningless, a matter the Bible itself quite clearly rejects. The good book is full of examples wherein the faithful were called upon, by God, to defend the chosen people. David and Goliath ring a bell?

    What happens in this life matters. The Jews were nearly wiped out 80 years ago because, ironically, a nation decided the public shouldn’t have guns, and took them all, making it easier to round them all up. Are you seriously suggesting, as Christians, we simply refuse the means to defend ourselves, or anyone else, and allow the evil in this world to wreak havoc on God’s followers? I don’t know what Bible you read, but that is not the message I got.

  58. Its because Christians are hypocrites and do not believe their socalled core values. Or maybe its because in the bible God gives the right of war to Jews to kill enemies. Or that David killed goliath and chopped his head of. Thats the religious reasons the secular ones are numerous. Pretty low to question something as personal as a persons faith to manipulate or guilt trip them into your political agenda. Thats emotional and even spiritual blackmail.

    Whatever the reason they don’t want to and questioning their faith is deplorable. Shame on Amy Schumann.

  59. @ Roymond
    “In the context, the narrowest possible interpretation is that Paul is referring to all the folks in a local church; it can’t be narrowed as far as just “immediate family”.”

    “ourselves” refers to the individual, not the entire congregation, or church. “others” is plainly everyone not the individual. My family is “others”; no way around it. The quote is regarding humbling of the self, the spirit, not a command to put your family at risk of being orphaned due to heroic actions.

    And there is this:
    “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”
    – 1 Timothy 5:8

  60. “Others” in context may be “everyone not the individual”, but that isn’t actually likely since Paul is addressing a congregation of Christians. Yes, that includes your family (hopefully), but it cannot be restricted to jus them.

    And it’s not just “the self, the spirit”, since Paul continues:
    “Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.”

    Family is a minimum.

    • “Family is a minimum.”

      Maybe. Family is “others”; all the “others” I care about. If, while defending my “others” (family), your “others” (family) benefit, fine. But in no circumstance I can think of is your family more important than my family.

      Leaving my family bereft while I go off and defend your family is a non-starter….except as a by-product of defending the nation (which may, or may not, be an act of self-defense).

      Would I be grateful if you died successfully defending my family? Of course. But…I would question your judgement.

        • “Sorry — I presumed I was conversing with a Christian.”

          Wouldn’t matter; I am using your Bible as reference. A husband/father is commanded to see to his family’s welfare first and foremost; else one is worse than an infidel (“infidel” is not an unbeliever, but one who once believed, then became unfaithful, an infidel).

          The admonition to think of others as more important than ourselves is not in context of self-defense, or even national defense.

          If I know an active shooter is about, my first responsibility is to get my family away from danger, not run around looking for the active shooter who may be threatening others. When is my family out of danger? When there is no possibility of the shooter targeting my family.

          What will I do if my family is not present? Find an escape route. Protecting me is protecting my family, per scripture. There is no scriptural command, nor interpretation of scripture, that commands I launch a search and destroy mission to eliminate the active shooter.

        • @ Sam I Am
          Actually, according to the Old Testament your obligation when present at an attack on the community is to protect “the camp”, which these days would mean town or neighborhood — and if you don’t, you’re judged as equally guilty as the attacker.
          “Search and destroy”, no, but if you an hear the gunfire and know the direction, you’re obligated.
          OTOH, under the militia concept, you’d first gather up some fellow “well-regulated” citizens.

  61. I am one of the sheepdogs at my local church. We protect _adelphoi_ – our brothers and sisters in Christ. This past year has been rather weird, with reports of “white Jesus” vandals, church burnings, and the occasional attempted mass-shooting. None of that happened at my church.

    One parishioner (a great-grandmother) mentioned to me that when the Israelites returned from Babylon, they found Jerusalem’s walls destroyed. I think she said they were studying Nehemiah. The workers wore swords because there was no other defense. The workers had two jobs – set rocks to rebuild the walls, AND to watch for approaching enemies.

    Taylor Shumann is ignorant at best.

  62. @Roymond

    “Actually, according to the Old Testament your obligation when present at an attack on the community is to protect “the camp”, which these days would mean town or neighborhood…”

    Nope. My “camp” is my dwelling, not my neighbor’s house, not my neighborhood. If you and your family were “camped” at my house (visiting), I would be obligated to defend you against attack. If you are out jogging, and I hear gunfire, I am not obligated to “run to the guns” simply because it might by you under attack.

    Leave my “camp” and you are responsible for your own defense. Put your family in a car, drive to a convenience store and end up assaulted, I am not obligated to come defend you at the convenience store, even though you are vacationing at my house for of a period of time.

    And the idea of defending the “camp” you describe is a matter of attack by declared enemies of the entire camp, not isolated fist fights that turn deadly somewhere in the general confines of the camp.

    • Typical selfish legalistic reinterpretation of things — the very same thing the New Testament condemns because it ignores the spirit of the law.

      It’s been going on ever since that question, “Am I my brother’s keeper?” The answer has always been “Yes”, and Jesus defined “neighbor” as whoever is near you and in need.

      • Yes. In my “camp” everyone present is near me. In a mall, my family and friends are near me. People twenty feet or more away are not “near” me. My first obligation is not to anyone but me and my family. All others come second, third or last.

        If you have determined to impoverish, bankrupt, abandon your family’s well being to die gloriously defending total strangers, that is fine; your body, your family, your choice. Trying to justify your decision based on scripture falls short. Taking your logic to the extreme, Christians should be patrolling the streets, seeking out criminals and dispatching them as a means of protecting the camp.

        BTW, camps have known boundaries. So, how far away does a potential victim need to be in order to be excluded as being considered part of the camp? How far do the boundaries of the camp extend? Based on which scripture? For Jesus, the “camp” was the entire world, if not universe. Do Christians also have no limits of whom they must risk their lives for? And if Christians are not constantly present when an armed attacker preys upon the unarmed, have the Christians failed to be faithful?

        If I am my brother’s keeper, am I responsible for all of humanity? Or only those within X feet/meters of me? Or those within eyesight? Or within hearing, but not within eyesight?

        • More selfish, legalistic views!

          You are the sort who would have let the Redcoats slaughter your entire town if they just left you alone. You bring shame to the title “American”.

  63. It’s just a very puerile understanding of the religion/theology she professes to be a part of, not to mention life in general. She’s likely a part of the group that think that think if guns are banned, no one will ever be murdered again – by magic! The bible is replete with instances of self defense, just wars, the commandment Jesus gave (already mentioned many times above)… this is another example of pick-n-choose religiosity where one can pick a verse or two out of context and discard entirely every other thing written.

    • Also, as is the case with some here, it’s a very selfish understanding, interpreting things to fit what she wants to believe or do anyway.

      I can almost see her as thinking that if we only did away with guards at banks there would never be another robbery — the underlying agenda being that bank guards have guns and thus are bad.

      To apply her thinking to another issue, the way to make schools safer would be to remove all the doors, exterior and interior.

      • “To apply her thinking to another issue, the way to make schools safer would be to remove all the doors, exterior and interior.”

        Following Occasionally-Coherent’s logic, the way to end mass shootings at schools is to quit building more schools. Maybe even raze all the existing schools, as well.

  64. A couple thoughts here.

    1. You are apparently suffering from PTSD, little sister. No shame in that, unless you refuse to acknowledge it and/or accept help. That, would be shameful.

    2. “We can’t keep trying to serve two masters. We can’t keep passing the dying man on the side of the road. We’ve desperately tried for decades to hold a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other and we have no hands left to serve each other, or Jesus. We have to choose. We have to lay one down. So I ask, who will you serve this day?”

    You are setting up a false dichotomy here, little sister. A vanishingly small number of us go around holding a firearm in hand. We wear them on our belts, just precisely so our hands will be free. My ability to extend a hand has never been hindered by a firearm that few even know I have. Those who do know smile to themselves and are grateful.

    3. Ok, who am I kidding. Your anger has made you into a terrorist of sorts, as noted in the Lewis quote above. (Bravo, gunnygene.) If you are, indeed, my little sister, then you have taken on a lie as your drumbeat. But I suspect you are merely attempting to promote your book deal.

    • This reminds me of a homily I heard long ago, entitled “Did the Good Samaritan have a sword?” It examined the unstated part of the story, whether that Good Samaritan was able to extend help to the one “set upon by thieves” because he, having been armed, was not himself a victim. It also looked at the question of whether by ourselves being unprepared to defend ourselves, we were shifting responsibility to others to take care of us. I agree with the speaker’s conclusion, that the Good Samaritan was armed, largely because beating up one victim to use as bait for an ambush was not uncommon for bands of thieves back then and the Samaritan would have known that.

  65. The only thing worse than someone who cherry picks history to the benefit of their own comfort is someone who cherry picks the bible for their own comfort.

    This is so typical of the products of public education and leftist ideologue. Modern Christianity is dominated by the “faculty lounge lizard” presentation of Jesus in the bible.

    Sorry, read and study, better yet, study a little Greek, study a little Hebrew, study some history, and then speak with real scholars…Jesus as an absolute pacifist will go right out the window.

  66. @Roymond
    “More selfish, legalistic views!”

    False premise. There is a vast difference between self-defense, and fending off an attack by foreign/enemy soldiers.

    The major thesis you present is that one is obligated (legalistic argument) to put one’s family at risk in defense of a stranger. There is no religious principle of any sect/denomination/faith that supports that reasoning. You don’t build a religion based upon a single, or even a few, statements taken out of context.

    Call it what you will, my family before your family, every time. Once my family is out of harm’s way, then will I consider assisting yours. If you want to go strictly religious, show me a repeating theme in any sacred book that unequivocally, and repeatedly, commands adherents disregard the family given them, and place the safety of others above the safety of the family one is the accountable steward for.

    BTW, I defended the “camp” called America, against enemies foreign and domestic. But first, just like all the others, I did everything I could to see to it that if I did not return, my family would be financially safe….so they could care for themselves in my absence. There were no ticker tape parades when I, and others, returned. No, “Thank you for your service”. No “Support the troops”. I wasn’t even allowed to walk onto American soil in uniform. So, I, and so many others, know all about protecting the “camp”.

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