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Quote of the Day: So That’s Where It All Is Edition

“According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That’s sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants. To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.” – Andrew Malcolm in Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo? [via]



  1. avatar Charles5 says:

    So, DHS has the budget to purchase 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, but my ship can’t get the funding to get a thousand rounds for weapons re-quals. Right.

    What I want to know is how much of a discount they got for buying in bulk and where it is all stored at.

  2. avatar ensitu says:

    My only response is that the Feds are going to issue this ammo to thugs who are notoriously poor marksmen
    Has anyone traced the purchase of Precision Rifle ammo by the Feds (obama)?

    1. avatar Old Ben turning in grave says:

      Yes, they have been buying up .223 (lots) and .308 (less, but still lots) also.

    2. avatar Lance says:

      What are you talking about Feds are thugs that are poor marksman! LOL

  3. avatar TangledThorns says:

    I wonder if this more of a corrupt backroom deal where some official gets kick backs for buying so many rounds. Furthermore, how much is the DHS paying per round?

  4. avatar schizuki says:

    I’m not sure about this story. Apparently it’s been traced back to Alex Jones’s Infowars site. So I’m taking this with several metric tons of salt.

    1. avatar Wyndage says:

      Roger that on Alex Jones. But aren’t the bids public record?

      1. avatar William says:

        The story is real and public, all over the internet. But I respect your idiotic decision to disbelieve it because you hate Alex Jones.

    2. avatar Wyndage says:

      Some of the sites talking about this issue are linking to this solicitation. At first glance, I’m not sure it contains what sites like Infowars say it does (surprise!).

    3. avatar blinkypete says:

      Several metric tons ain’t gonna do it in that case.

    4. avatar Old Ben turning in grave says:

      alot of the orignal bids were available on government web sites. With redaced quantities. They also did some without competitve bids, which they need to justify (i.e., why they need it fast). The justifications on some were also redacted. Start poking around here if you are interested:

  5. avatar Wyndage says:

    I’m glad to see this topic getting attention in a relatively high-profile publication. DHS owes us an explanation for this kind of stockpile.

    1. avatar William says:

      Oh. You changed your mind. You’re a pushover, after all.

  6. avatar Joel says:

    As another contributor said last week in response to another story, conspiracy theories begin in 3-2-1……..

  7. avatar Skyler says:

    I don’t believe anything ever claimed by Alex Jones.

  8. avatar JAS says:

    The DHS has a 20 billion plus budget. NASA only gets 8 Billion. I would de-fund it.

    There are two, and only two reasons why they would be buying so much ammunition, and neither are good.

    I mentioned in another post that I would gladly help raise some seed money to start an ammunition factory business that would cater only to civilians. SAA -“Second Amendment Ammunition” :).

    1. avatar anonymous says:

      > The DHS has a 20 billion plus budget. NASA only gets 8 Billion.
      > I would de-fund it.

      How about pay NASA to send DHS into deep space?

      But not fund NASA for the return trip.

      1. avatar blinkypete says:

        No, we don’t want Aliens to find them and assume we’re all barely educated douchebags on power trips. Plus, the sun’s closer.

    2. avatar Not Anon in CT For Long says:

      The thing is, DHS is an amalgam of the useful, the useless and the bloody awful.

      I think most folks would agree that we still need the Coast Guard and the Border Patrol.

  9. avatar schizuki says:

    I love Ronald Reagan, but he made one massive mistake that undid everything – picking George H. W. Bush as his VP. That gave us “compassionate conservatism”, the ’86 gun bill, led to Bill Clinton and the AWB, then to Dubya and the prescription drug plan for seniors and, worst of all, the creation of the DHS. A chain of disaster.

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      Whatever happened to “it’s all George Bush’s fault?” You might as well blame George Washington.

  10. avatar Thomas Paine says:

    “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.” Obama July 2008.

    I am the national security force, and i will fund it myself, thank you.

    1. avatar Gyufygy says:

      By any chance, do you have a link for that?

      1. avatar Leo338 says:

        Why are you asking for a link? This is well known information anyone can do a search and find this.

      2. avatar Bobtrumpet says:

        Do a search at – there are plenty video clips of the statement there. Search “Obama national security force.”

    2. avatar Not Anon in CT For Long says:

      Another one to file in the category of “if GWB [or any other Republican] had said it, there would have been a complete media freakout, but since it was Saint Obama, crickets”.

  11. avatar whomever says:

    at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war

    With all due respect, that’s a non sequitur. If you follow the links, that’s 5.5 million rounds per month in Iraq. If you’re not firing more rounds in training than in combat you’re doing it wrong.

    I’ve fired, at a guess, 50K rounds in training /competition, and zero rounds in combat (and I sincerely hope to keep that last number at precisely zero).

    There are good arguments against the increasing militarization of law enforcement, and efficiency arguments against every agency having its own SWAT team and so on, but the quoted argument isn’t on point.

    1. avatar Hasdrubal says:

      As a former active duty infantryman and sniper, the actual number of rounds fired in training can be rather pathetic. I had been shooting 300 rounds per week before enlisting, and my shooting skills steadily deteriorated during my four years active service with sometimes zero rounds per month fired, and sometimes around 300 per month during a particularly range heavy period.

      Granted, this was regular infantry and not Rangers or anything really high-speed, but still, it’s not always what it should be. And everyone thought it was a particularly bad unit. I hope the experiences of others were better.

  12. avatar don says:

    My public service for the day; Read the actual procurement documents posted online and don’t use Alex Jones as a source of credible news.
    Hint: He doesn’t understand the abbreviation they use and misrepresented 1000’s as millions.

    1. avatar Wyndage says:

      Or maybe he understands it perfectly, but likes to sensationalize things?

      1. avatar blinkypete says:

        Alex Jones sensationalising things? That’s like saying he knows he’s wrong, but that his faithful readers are too dumb to fact check him.

        Wait a minute….

    2. avatar Old Ben turning in grave says:

      Fair enough, and quite possible. However, the fact that we have ANY domestic force directly under the control of the Federal gov (and not subject to public scrutiny) arming up on our (or more accurately our childrens’) nickle is so un-American it hurts. Sure, we’ve had Federal spooks and thugs for a long time, but this is getting out of hand. We’re going the wrong direction on this.

      1. avatar Bryan says:

        Germany did the exact same thing. It was called the SS.

        1. avatar Mark N. says:

          No no no. The SS was a military unit. The unit you are thinking about was the Gestapo–a secret police force answerable only to the highest echelons of power. Just like DHS, a federal agaency that has grown tremendously over its brief existence, with innumerable, and apparently unchallenged, power grabs, self-appointed police powers, and massive purchases of firearms and ammunition.

        2. avatar Bryan says:

          Your right, my bad.

  13. avatar Matt in FL says:

    Correction: Since last spring DHS has put out contracts for 1.6 billion bullets [sic*]. That doesn’t mean they have taken delivery on 1.6 billion bullets [sic*]. The contracts are written to purchase “up to 1.6 billion rounds over the next 24, or 36, or 48 months.” That’s not the same thing.

    *Where are the contracts for powder and brass? 1.6 billion bullets isn’t going to do anyone much good alone.

  14. avatar Aharon says:

    “Including illegal immigrants”

    I suspect that when the “push comes to shove” time arrives the current White House Administration will provide guns and ammo to the illegal immigrants to help them secure, control, and pacify American citizens. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Obummer providing shooting lessons to the illegals now that we all know what a shotgun shooter he is.

    1. avatar speedracer5050 says:

      If that happens then we need to start shooting ‘cans!!!!

    2. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Aharon, I like you, but that was the most ludicrous thing I’ve read in a long time.

  15. avatar jwm says:

    You don’t fight a war or oppress a people with handguns. When they order and take delivery on billions of rounds of .50 bmg, 7.62 and 5.56 is the time to start worrying.

    1. avatar Aharon says:

      It is possible they already have quietly accumulated and complied huge quantities of those ammo calibers over the decades. The Pentagon regularly keeps losing track of tens of billions of dollars (FRN) in foreign aid, equipment, supplies, etc.

    2. avatar Old Ben turning in grave says:

      They’ve bought up rifle ammo, too. It seems that they haven’t bought as much though, if the info available is accurate.

      Regardless, I’m no expert but i’d guess that if coordinated teams start doing no-knock visits in the middle of the night, handguns would often be perfectly adequate (even if you do have dogs/alarm systems).

      Now, brownshirts vs. crowds of protesters, that would be different.

  16. avatar Lance says:

    Ive seen local and even federal LE shoot they need millions of rounds just to hit the target!!! LOL

  17. avatar Mehul Kamdar says:

    At the rate at which Dear Leader’s blowing what little money the government has, we can expect much of this ammo to be sold off as surplus after his term ends. Here’s to waiting for cheap ammo four years from now!

  18. avatar John C says:

    They keep buying because they are in fear we will shoot back!

    Molon labe

  19. avatar Bob says:

    Has anyone considered that the Fed is purchasing tons of ammo, to cause an ammo shortage for civilians. Now that is a conspiracy theory! …but no more crazy than Fast and Furious.

    1. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

      Or maybe it’s part of the National Debt reduction plan. Buy up all the ammo, check. Threaten gun owners with bogus bills to ban gun stuff creating a scare, check. Discretely sell the previously purchased ammo at a 200-300% markup, check. Debt reduced at the cost of those that mostly don’t agree with the party in power. Yee – Haaa!

  20. avatar pat says:

    Big Gov will protect you, even if it means killing you… the name of the….children. Trust us, its only water, not Zyklon-B.

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