“Is it time to start arming Transportation Security Administration officials? No way . . . If you’re the kind of person who thinks that every teacher and hall monitor and mall cop and cinema usher should be armed, then you’ll probably feel safer if we give guns to TSA officers. And maybe flight attendants and customer service reps and baggage handlers. And probably bus drivers and ballpark ticket takers, and hospital staff . . . Terrorism is a real concern for airlines, but like it or not, as Americans, we also have to worry just as much about angry neighbors with guns.” Former flight attendant with United Airlines and Virgin America Tiffany Hawk, Arming TSA officials not the answer [via cnn.com]
Of course this comes from a flight attendant. If we were allowed to carry on a plane they couldn’t be such assholes to us…
It is amazing how these ‘tards (honestly I can’t find a better term) believe that “Allowing people to keep and bear arms, as per their second amendment rights” somehow equals “Forcing people to be armed.”
Oh, and if anyone is going to ‘give arms’ to people, please start with me. I have a list of arms I would appreciate being given.
Well, she was right…until she wasn’t.
On a side note, where do all of these people live with “angry neighbors”? I’ve lived in several different places (in a variety of socio-economic communities) and have had neighbors that have been nothing but pleasant.
For those that don’t know, that is a spin off of Toby Keith’s “I’ll never smoke weed with Willie again”.
The accidental death reminds me of this robbery attempt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUtTF2YmwIE
i got excited….
reading along, yes, yes, this works for me, roger that, shit. nevermind. just another idiot
I liked it better when they were called Stewardesses and they were all young and hot, AND if you flew frequently you actually had a chance to maybe find yourself waking up next to one……………
Now they just seem to be either afraid of their own shadow, old crones or are on some kind of power trip where getting you to pay attention to the pre-flight safety briefing is tantamount to the importance of the D-Day invasion and failure to comply will result in immediate detainment and subsequent execution by some mid-level DHS/TSA turd……………
I hate when they get all pissy about the safety lecture. “Why aren’t you paying attention?” Gee, I don’t know.. Oh wait, because I’ve already heard it 5 times a week for the last ten years?
I don’t really care if the TSA is armed. They have the same constitutional rights that I have. But I’m denied my rights under that constitution because it’s an airport. If I’m not allowed a gun there, nobody,regardless of governmental status, should have a gun there.
Don’t care? Don’t forget that you would get the pleasure of paying for their armament. They are the government. In their capacity as individuals, they have the same rights as us. In their capacity as employees of the blob, they are supposed to have only the powers we’ve delegated to them. That mathematically means less powers than we have as individuals.
. . . supposed to . . .
You forget that they actually are given certain powers by the DHS. They currently don’t have arrest powers. Do you really want them to have the “power” to shoot your ass because you acted indignant to them based on their opinion? This is the same DHS that takes away OUR rights protected by the constitution.
Once they take government employment they lose Constitutional rights.
“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason
Of course now, we have many public officials, so denying them all the rights of honest citizens is the correct course of action.
Who is this silly buffoon and why should I give a squirrel’s nut what she says…? Uh, no, no arming the TSA please you half-wit. I don’t like being groped at the airport, nor do I want to be groped at gunpoint, thank you.
It’s going to happen, it’s been in the works for about 5 years, along with the nifty new uniform
You don’t think that Private Armies build themselves go you?
Is there a single person who says both “arm teachers” and “arm TSA agents”?
I think if you actually examine most school gun proposals they are something like this: Allow local school districts, or teachers themselves, to determine if a weapon can safely be borne in the classroom.
As for TSA agents, my slice of the 2A movement (that which gets here via interest in Liberty more than guns), I’m not in favor of arming them.
I’ve been called for jury duty six times and served only once. In one case I was legitimately rejected during voir dire because I had previously been a party to a claim against the defendant (the county I live in). The other four times I was summarily rejected for no apparent reason other than having an advanced degree. The selection process is specifically targeted at keeping thinking people off juries.
Using pop music to confuse and distress a threat from a vastly different culture? Someone’s been watching Robotech (or SDF Macross at least).
Give me a break, because his article just magically appeared in the magazine without being read before it went to print. Used all my guns and ammo mags for toilet paper and I won’t be buying another.
I agree with her. No reason for TSA officials to be armed or the majority of the occupations she mentions. At least not through their employment. Anyone has a right to carry as a individual and everyone should exercise that right but her going off on TSA people, people she obviously worked with and around and has a good impression of overall, most probably shouldn’t be armed much like many police officers shouldn’t be armed because they have power and control issues. I think Robert posted a bad example of a true anti-gun rant, this to me is more a woman giving her opinion of how dysfunctional and irresponsible TSA is overall and why would anyone wish to have this group of people armed. I think her preamble on the other occupations is just a half truth in that arming nobody is much like arming everybody, it’s a bad idea.
I support teachers carrying firearms in class, those that are trained and chose to do so. I do not support low trained security guards or uniformed police as this gives the impression and feel of a prison and not a school. The same IMO applies to TSA people, I don’t want the airport to resemble fricking Israel airports with armed wannabe rambos and rambets. The hypocrisy is just as many pro-gun people hold their hands to their ears when acceptable truths are told just as the anti-gun people do.
If you think the burger flipper behind the counter, the candy stripper in the hospital, the ticket ripper at the theater, the hostess at the restaurant, the tsa jackas* at the scanner, if you think all these people should be armed well then I find you crazy. It’s simple, as a INDIVIDUAL you have the right to chose to be armed anywhere you are, I agree with this. Not some agency or government telling us, hey these people are going to be armed and you are not going to be. See the deal? If you can’t then too bad for you.
Asides from the tendency of Filipinos to emulate what goes on in the United States rightly or wrongly. I suspect that the recent push for gun control in the Philippines has something to do with receiving aid from the current United States government as well as from the UN, in light of bullying from China. To think that the current president is supposedly pro gun, I shudder to imagine how things would be under an anti-gun president.
Last time I received a jury summons, I was pretty disappointed by my co-workers’ comments about how easy it would be for me to get out of it… not from just one or two people, but several. Jury duty would NEVER be convenient for me, but it’s importance should be obvious.
Anyway, I was empaneled, and it turned out to be a firearms trafficking case. Nullification was on my mind (and not on my lips) the entire time, but given the facts of this case I chose NOT to nullify. The defendant was a violent criminal, both by his own words and other evidence. This was not a case about a good guy who ran afoul of stupid laws through error or some sort of righteous protest, but about someone actively working to do harm to his community.
In spite of my reservations about these laws, and about their application at the federal level as was the case here, I voted to convict and worked (successfully) to convince another jury member who was on the fence.
Nullification is an extraordinary measure, and in my opinion not to be taken lightly. It’s not just about the law, and not just about the man, but both.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, it seems.
Last time I went to the range, a Parole officer was training with a fellow plainclothes LEO. She couldn’t hit a B27 at 7 yards, and when I packed up the closest she got to the X was the 7 ring.
Given most sworn cops are closer to THAT “standard” than Travis Haley’s level, arming TSA would be tantamount to giving guns to lab monkeys. What we should do is shutter TSA , dispense with the illusion of airport security ( want to commit a crime at an airport? Get a job there…..) and remove the restrictions on concealed carry in airport “safe zones”.From small, trained details of expert cops like Jim Cirillo’s old Stakeout Squad to provide advanced security , and call it good.
No don’t arm the TSA they are just another appendage of the GOVERNMENT that wants to DISARM US and this is just another way to get more power into the hands of the government minions. Also do WE really believe that the same people who suffer from such lack of common sense as to frisk a wheel chair bound senior, or demand a person with a colostomy bag to show and tell should be as well armed as the police or deity forbid the DHS. You know that if they get the ok that they will get just as well armed as the DHS has.
Jury Nullification is an extremely important tool. And just to give you an idea of how important and powerful that tool is, most judges expressly forbid defense attorneys from discussing it.
It is absolutely, positively critical that we educate the public on jury nullification. We need to do it so we can persevere in the face of the assault on all of our rights, not just the Second Amendment.
Let’s add another dimension to this to illustrate just how important Jury Nullification is. It is so much of a threat to our government that our government recently passed the National Defense Authorization Act so that they can arrest and indefinitely imprison anyone they label a “terrorist” without a trial.
she kinda looks like Shannon Watts(TM) . . . . let the fantasies and obsession begin . . . .
Back off Diggler! I call dibs!
Very classy looking girl. Everybody makes mistakes, and a lot of them happen with CNN. With a smile like that, she’s worth saving.
I hate to say it, but I tend to agree with Dick Metcalf: For those of you who have not read his column, here it is:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Lets-Talk-Limits-by-Dick-Metcalf-of-Guns-Ammo-December-2013.pdf
I agree with Dick in that I feel there should be a training requirement for a CCW permit. We require driver training before we can get a driver’s license and training before we can become a surgeon. Such “training” might be considered by some to be an “infringement” of our “rights,” but the end result is that it helps to ensure safety. Is a course in firearms safety too much to ask of someone who must might kill himself or someone else merely because he or she never received the tools to know how to safely handle a weapon or—most importantly—when or when not to use it?
Should firearms owners be required by law to keep guns locked up so children won’t be in a position to endanger themselves or their playmates? I have no problem with such a regulation.In my view, such “regulations” do not restrict our ultimate rights to own and/or use our firearms, and show that Metcalf’s belief that certain regulation on our “right to keep and bear arms” is not (nor should be) an “infringement.”
The idea that Dick Metcalf’s intent was to compromise the 2nd Amendment is nonsense. I didn’t get that out of the article, and I fail to see why gun owners are upset, unless of course, they fear that the gun-grabbers will twist Metcalf’s opinion into what they feel is an anti-gun stance.
As for firearm regulation: We already have it in the form of background checks when we wish to make a firearm purchase. I live in California, I just purchased a shotgun and AR-15 and was pleased to hear from the gun store owner that purchase applications are scrutinized, and the resulting background checks have resulted in several mental cases having been denied an easy over-the-counter purchase. Does this mean that it would be impossible for someone hell-bent on mass or serial murder to achieve those ends? Of course not! But….I would rather trade my “right” to simply walk into a store and walk out immediately with a firearm for the knowledge that it would be difficult for a nut case to do the same.
If we gun owners refuse to bend just a little, I’m afraid that we will play right into the hands of those who are waiting in the wings to ban firearms completely or make firearms unusable by eliminating our sources of ammunition and other firearm-related supplies by regulating them out of existence.
I am surprised that Metcalf was fired. You may not have agreed with what he had to say, but at the very least, it was food for thought. Now that Metcalf is gone, it will be impossible for Guns & Ammo to feature a fair debate or meaningful dialogue with Mr. Metcalf, and as a result we will never know how he would have responded to our criticisms.
my neighbors are not angry. in fact, my neighbors suggested a sign, “we stick together and are protected by the NRA.” (My concern would be it attracts more thieves than it wards off, this is maryland)
If she has angry neighbors shooting each other, she probably lives in one of those section 8 apartment complexes. I’d move.
I’m thinking HERE COMES THE JUDGE!
Be a Secret Narc!!! With neighbors like this…….
This teacher just needs to understand that some of the very people he is teaching will some day be the ones that join the police force or military or worse they maybe the one that comes to school with a gun to kill him and the other children. Education is the best answer.
I was stationed in the PI during the Marcos regime and he was a POS (so was his wife). He claimed to be a rebel leader during WWII but was actually a murderer who spent time in prison. The only way you could get anything done outside the base was with bribe money.
Hear that? I think they(YKWTA!) are starting construction on a CAMP of some sort. Gun Owners Internment Camp.
Considering that not to long ago a kid got suspended for “threatening behavior” when he was TALKING
about wishing he had a gun so he could PROTECT people. i wounder what they consider a credible tip?
I don’t know that i would trust flight attendants or TSA agents to properly handle a firearm and to properly handle a situation. Most police officers carry guns because they are a bit more educated in criminal justice and well trained in procedure of how to handle a situation. Even then, they still make plenty of mistakes where someone ends up dead accidentally. There is just a lot more involved when policing vs self defense. (Picture a scenario of you bringing your gun legally to baggage check, they pull out their gun and shoot you)
TSA agents aren’t well educated, in fact most barely graduated high school by the looks of it. Same goes for flight attendants. So no, i wouldn’t trust them to do police work at an airport.
However for self defense, it’s an easy question of how to handle a situation. If you think you are really going to die, just shoot. It’s that simple.
To call the Brady camp Legit in it’s pursuit of a un-constitutional agenda is the same as saying Stalin had some great ideas but he was simply overzealous in his pursuit of equality for the masses
Heloooooo!!!!
It’s Propaganda Folks!
Stand at a donut store all day and call this number repeatedly to report “a man with a gun”.
-D
She specializes in turning what she knows into fiction writing. It all makes sense now.
“Love me anyway” that’s the final nail in the coffin.
Funny to hear a Glock guy saying this is gun is “an accident waiting to happen”, since all Glocks are accidents waiting to happen and have happened over and over again…
Its pretty and pretty expensive. For that money I could get a used gun and ammo for it. Ok maybe not the ammo.
“People Of The Gun” are often derided by “People Of The Violent Blockbuster Movie”. I could care less what hypocrites think or say.
Well ,I guess they took my advice and CANNED HIM!
Not really sure I fit in with this group here anymore…I agree with the article written….
Umm. He just said that a 16 hour training course is not an unreasonable restriction on concealed carry. This is not at all the same as restricting the right to own, or even carry, guns. (Nor, for that matter, is a background check!!)
enough said. He is a punk B!tch: http://www.lawcrossing.com/article/6228/Elie-Mystal-Aggressive-Unapologetic-and-Right/#
Not to throw a fly in the ointment – but in CA you have to register every car, EVERY CAR. If you don’t drive it – you’re supposed to register it as “non-operational.”
Obviously – the cops aren’t checking your non-op permit if you’re driving on your ranch… so the private property rule works in practice if not completely.
One more thing: if guns were like cars, then state and federal tax revenue would be spent in the billions to build and maintain a public infrastructure of shooting ranges spanning all 57 states. Representatives and Senators would fight to bring increased appropriations to their state for expansion of this system, and occasionally this “pork” would result in gigantic ranges built on isolated Alaskan islands with fewer than 50 residents.
Excellent job!
I grew up in a home with no guns, and didn’t own any when I got married. Once my wife became pregnant with our first child I went and bought a shotgun in order to be able to defend my family should anyone attempt entry into our home. My first reason was definitely protection. The joy of hanging out with some buddies and shooting targets came later (as did the multiplying gun issues most of us face pre-boating accident).
What a dumb article. Not only because it’s just a game, but because it IS an assault shotgun, or if that term doesn’t exist, it is exactly what a gun enthusiast would have brought to mind upon hearing the phase.
Not to mention licensing requirements, insurance requirements, and registration requirements don’t do a damned thing to keep people from driving illegally or because they have had the right suspended or revoked.
So ya that will definitely translate to success if applied to firearms! /sarcasm