Home Quote of the Day Quote of the Day: Because They Say So Edition Quote of the Day Quote of the Day: Because They Say So Edition By Dan Zimmerman - October 7, 2013 78 Facebook Twitter Pinterest WhatsApp Email ◀Previous Post Next Post▶ “Why should anyone have to retreat or take an ass-whipping if a criminal attacks them?” – Chuck LaRosa (not pictured above), Protesters rally against ‘stand your ground’ gun bill [at dispatch.com] ◀Previous Post Next Post▶ RELATED ARTICLESMORE FROM AUTHOR Horsey: Guns in the Hands of Super-Patriotic Militia Members with No Passports are a Clear and Present Danger Clark: Silly Gun Owners…You’re Better Off Running Than Using a Gun to Defend Yourself Ministry of Truth: Politicians’ and Media Misinformation Shape Public Misperceptions of Violent Crime and Guns 78 COMMENTS Based on facts and statistics, obesity and its symptoms are more of a danger to that woman than guns owned by private citizens in our society. Reply Ya no kidding. Clothes from Abu the tent maker. The tie down ratchet straps on that bra and corset must have to be replaced and re certified every 3 months lest they snap and kill someone. Reply I was thinking that if she gets much bigger her atomic structure will collapse on itself and form a black hole, killing us all. Reply So mocking her for her weight/appearance adds anything to the discussion? If that’s the case, then pro 2nd amendment advocates are screwed. Because we have some really large and goofy looking members of our community. Be above that crap. Attack her argument, not her person. It just makes you look petty. Reply While I do agree they are likely wrong to target her image, she is one odd looking bird. She looks like she either has some sort of chest deformity or is hiding something other than just breast. Like she’s that guy who robbed a bank with a bomb collared to his neck before going boom in the parking lot. To be fair though, Open Carry Harry there isn’t exactly dashing either, but at least he has the sense to not be anti-gun. I agree Cecil, it is interesting though that the very first response to your comment essentially ignores your idea and steers the discussion right back to the lady’s appearances. I have a dog that when she gets fixated on a squirrel up a tree, you cannot get her to move on without physically removing her from the tree, even when the squirrel isn’t in the tree anymore. Will we as a group be able to get back on subject without being removed from this tree? @ Soccerchainsaw I love that you ignored that I also did a poke at the pro gun person. But you are missing one major point–our weirdoes (and I am one) want us all to leave each other alone–to be weird in the manner(s) of our choosing. This weirdo wants other weirdoes to pass laws requiring us to conform to their standards. What’s more, the weirdoes passing the laws will hire other weirdoes to enforce the law using the violent, coercive power of government. She isn’t just fat, she’s violent. She deserves derision and open contempt. Forgiveness too, but having put herself in the public view she should be publicly called out for what she is. I see flat out overweight vs tall and goofy-looking with skinny arms and a spare tire. Neither is a physical specimen. Regardless, one is advocating intelligent solutions for self defense. The other is advocating that the government is the only agency authorized to defend individuals – a legacy long since associated with corruption, inefficiency and the destruction of freedom. Did anyone notice how fat that broad is? @BobBarker For me she’s not so much fat as she is oddly shaped. I’ve seen many fat women in my day, and like the rest of the female population, some of them were actually very beautiful. I wonder who pays her food, medical and housing expenses. His too, for that matter. More protesters for hire? More examples of “things aren’t always as they appear”? Stereotypical, it is. “SQUIRREL!” Not being petty? Not being asswipes? You are asking shrews to pole vault, my friend…. it looks like she has one big boob. Reply Has or IS? Reply I wonder if she makes a beeping noise when she backs up. Reply She has several smaller women orbiting around her. Reply Human dignity demands that a person not be required to retreat in the face of aggression. The citizen going about their lawful business should have the protection of the law and the right to respond to such aggression with any and all force needed. The citizen, whether a sworn officer or soccer mom running errands, should have a choice of the tools to respond with without undo government red tape or interference. Reply Is he really wearing a SERPA as a cross draw?! Reply Heh…my first thought in seeing that picture was that that’s not a very good holster for OC. Reply Walking Dead style, good luck with that. Reply Which is the winner, a backwards holster or a backwards EOTech? Reply Now that I think about it, he is probably the double holster guy so his loop is for three o’clock and he just pushed it through to 9:00 then put anoher one on like he was stringing pop corn for the X-mas tree. Reply Who the hell cares? Does he look HSLD to you? Reply That is one angry wifeapotomus. I hope he’s prepared to stop a charge. Reply It’s coming right for us! Reply Perhaps she is mad because she had such a good boy (multiple felon) son that got waxed trying to rob someone. Reply It is odd how many parents of thugs seem to prefer there kids kill someone else in an act of crime. Reply It really isn’t odd at all … that is exactly the kind of environment that breeds criminals. If the parents have no regard for other people, quite likely their children will grow up and learn the same disregard for other people. He’s going to need something bigger than that Glock. Maybe a 500 nitro express. Reply Nah, a bulldozer. Reply Because no one is going to get hurt in a good old fashioned fist fight. Just box it out with the 4 time felon attacking you and then shake hands and laugh it off. Heart disease is the number one killer in America. This lady would do well to re-prioritize her long term suirvival plan. Reply I have heard that argument many times from gun banners. They seem to think that criminals have a code of honor, and are still out there just to have a good old fashioned fight. They seem to refuse to believe that you may be killed under such circumstances, even though it happens in the news every day. Complete denial of reality. Reply Layne, I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not. I used to tell people something similar but after taking a blunt metal object repeatedly to the head from behind and having my brain permanently scrambled; I no longer espouse that foolish and dangerous opinion. Think it through; one is relying on the other person to make compassionate judgment calls regarding the effect each strike will have upon the other. If the attacker had your health in mind, he wouldn’t be hitting you in the first place. I learned my lesson the hard way. Don’t buy into that rubbish. It could easily get you permanently disabled or killed. (ETA: It appears that you were being sarcastic but I’m going to leave this post up for anyone that might actually believe that course of action is best.) Reply “Think it through; one is relying on the other person to make compassionate judgment calls regarding the effect each strike will have upon the other…” John, you make an excellent point. Let me illustrate further: In any MMA fight the opponents have no criminal intent and often actually like, admire and/or respect each other. Nevertheless, the referee is always there to stop the fight when one fighter is down and no longer able to mount a defense. The “winner”, in the heat of the moment, is in most cases intent on pressing the advantage to ultimate victory and less able to respond to the distress of the loser, hence the interference by the ref to stop the fight. On the street the aggressor has no feelings for the victim one way or the other and the referee (law enforcement) is quite often NOT in the ring with you. Your sidearm is your ref. Without that you just get pounded into the pavement until your attacker is too tired to continue. Reply “Cincinnati Democrat, said the bill, if passed, threatens to turn Ohio into the “wild, wild West.”” I am so absolutely tired of this worn out, never happens scenario being put into the Sheeps minds by the left media. How many discussions have I been in that this was said? When Ohio was considering CCW laws the Left came out with that fear and you know what? It never happened. Reply I think that we need to start embracing this argument from the antis. If we point out that the level of violence in the “Wild Wild West” was a historical low point for crime and that the carrying of personal weapons was at a high water mark then yes lets please turn things back to the “Wild Wild West”. See how an anti responds to having their argument flipped on them. Reply They’ll respond like always: cognitive dissonance. Reply Besides … I for one would love to have a giant spider with a plasma cannon as my daily commuter. Reply I love this bit of hyperbole used by those opposed to SYG: “…the bill, if passed, threatens to turn Ohio into the “wild, wild West.” This isn’t a new law, this isn’t the first time its been before a legislative body. Florida enacted this model of SYG in 2005 and since then there have been 75 cases of justifiable homicide because of it. That is roughly 10 a year, hardly the anarchy people fear. And my other favorite…. “…called it a “ kill-at-will bill.” That someone is going to shoot someone for any little thing and then claim Stand Your Ground. Have so many people simply given up on thinking these days? Reply Unfortunately people can not give up what they never had. Critical thinking is a skill that must be learned and most people never are in an environment where it is taught. I teach college seniors and it is staggering sometimes how few of them are able to make the simple connections between events. Reply but if it could save the life of one degenerate engaged in deviant behavior….. Reply The downside of cross draw. He’s kindly wearing a firearm for his right handed opponent. Reply On the other hand, it’s harder for someone to sneak up from behind and take the firearm. Reply I think the Serpa lock is extremely hard to actuate from behind with a forward cant. -D Reply I prefer my crossdraw to be concealed. As much time as I spend sitting while driving and what-not, concealed crossdraw makes much more sense in my world. I have extra-long arms with a relatively shorter torso. Draw from the 4oclock is like trying to pull out of my armpit and it’s impossible while seated with a seatbelt in the way. Reply Big Government, like any enterprise, wants to drive out competition. The only difference is that the Government may do so at gunpoint. If Ford Motor Company had this power, it would forbid the use of bicycles and would even forbid walking to work. The Government doesn’t want you defending yourself because that’s their job. The same power of coercion allows them to do a really crappy job defending you because you don’t have any choice to go somewhere else. Again, if Ford Motor Company could lock you up for buying a competitor’s car, then Ford would have no incentive for building decent cars. Reply You know, I’m really disappointed that there are so many comments that focus on this woman’s looks, and not her position. What the hell does it matter what she looks like? If she was solidly pro SYG, would you be mocking her appearance? Should we mock Nugent for looking like crazy looking fashion reject most of the time too? Attack the argument, not the person. Gun control advocates do that when they mock our entire way of life and suggest that we’re all drooling, toothless redneck idiots. If all you can do is mock someone, you’ve lost the argument before it’s even begun, and you’ll never show them that their position is wrong, and change their mind to a right way of thinking. We need to be better than that if we’re going to change some minds. 5M people out of 80M or so gun owners are members of the NRA. One of these days congress is going to realize what a small number that is out of 280M voters, and stop being so afraid. We need more public on our side to keep our rights from being stolen away. That’s not going to happen if we can only mock our opponents. Reply When was the last time 280 million voters turned out? There is 314 million U.S. Citizens including those under 18. Besides, even if all gun owners aren’t NRA members, they are more likely to vote that way. Ask those 2 peckerwoods that just got recalled in Colorado. Reply It doesn’t matter whether they turn out or not. First of all, not all NRA members are Republicans. Second of all, 5M is still a paltry number, and it’s the lobby that scares legislators, not a number of gun owners that, by polls, has been shrinking for the last 30 years because fewer of us are likely to honestly respond to those polls for fear of going into a database somewhere. And perception is reality in politics. The two Colorado people were recalled based in no small part to millions of dollars of out of state money poured into the effort. If Bloomberg and pals, and the NRA and it’s friends, had stayed out of it, both of them might very well have still been in office. And it still will have no effect on those laws as their replacements won’t turn the tide in the state legislature. When they vote out enough people to change the makeup of the legislature, then there will have been something significant happen. Until then, it was a moral victory that’s been blown out of proportion and nothing more. And again…the point is, don’t denigrate your opponents. Denigrate their position. When you get personal, they don’t give a damn what you have to say, and you’ll never change their minds. And before you say that you never will no matter what, recall that 2 pissed off women started a movement that completely changed the national outlook on drunk driving AND managed to change the national speed limit for a number of years, pushing what was, at that time, a very unpopular viewpoint. We absolutely can change the minds of the anti-gun crowd. But we’re never going to do it be being assholes. Reply You are throwing spaghetti on the wall with some many areas. I will address only 3 things. What makes the NRA and GOA effective is the fact they are made up of members that are proactive and have a vested interest at whats on the line. Also, the NRA wasn’t the organizer for the Colorado recall. Lastly, it was bigger than you think because it showed that punks like Morse can’t make comments about ignoring constituents, especially when going against majority opinions on something as important as the 2nd A. To build a building, you have to lay a solid foundation. BTW, there is a recall effort for a 3rd Colorado state senator. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/10/robert-farago/goa-recall-co-state-sen-hudak-left/ I disagree the Colorado Clowns that got recalled only had a fight because bloomers dropped hundreds of thousands on their fight that was very much a local fight of angry voters….. the senate dem’s should be taking note….. If you had actually taken the time to watch the Colorado recall fight play out you would have seen: – Annoyed locals organizing for and collecting ballot signatures – The NRA (and other 2A orgs) endorsements – The BSM picking up and warping the story (to include creating the “NRA started the recall” myth) – MAIG and Nanny Bloomie (and later “me too” MAGgots) pouring words and cash into the state – The “PLEASE don’t help” plea from the CO Infringement Lobby – The recall election I wish we had this course of action available in Maryland, the Formerly Free State. Thank you for your attention. SQUIRREL! “No man can command others who cannot command himself.” Cervantes (referring to Bill Clinton, I think) I don’t care what gland condition she has. If she can’t take better care of herself, she has no business telling me how to care for myself. Whether it’s obesity or any other derangement, so many of those who would run our lives can’t manage their own. I think the correlation is that those who can’t rely on their own good judgment project this on to others and thus believe the wise Nanny State should do the thinkin’ for all of us. Reply So only skinny people should advocate for things they believe in? I guess I better stop giving so much money to the NRA and 2nd Amendment foundation and stop working so hard for gun rights then…cause I top out over 300lbs. Obesity as a derangement. Boy, that’s some new bigotry I haven’t heard of before. Reply Yes; obesity is a derangement. So says my doctor. Derangement doesn’t mean one should stop advocating for what one believes in, but the very fact of human frailty and imperfection means that we should all live our own lives and not impose our will on others. I have no problem with any person doing anything so long as they remain within their sphere, when you step out of your sphere and into mine you’d better have your feces co-located. You, I, this woman, we all of the right to speak our mind and to exercise all of our God given rights but (according to the picture and caption) this woman wants to take away my God given rights. She is stepping outside her sphere and into mine. Now we all have our faults and these faults are a partial proof of the need for human liberty; this specific fault just happens to be readily visible and, after all, the discussion centers around a photograph and two lines of text. I’m sure if we sat down with her over a cup of coffee would could identify many more substantive faults but, this is the internet. Cecil – I agree with you that it’s petty for people to be attacking this woman based on her looks. Frankly, I give her credit for entering into a conversation with the pro-2A guy. Maybe she learned a thing or two. I wonder how many other protesters went out of their way to avoid the “scary looking cowboy with the guns” at all costs. I think you’re confusing a physical derangement with a mental one. Both people in this photo are very awkward physical specimens — and it’s completely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the right that this woman and her ilk want to take away from everyone. Reply you are obviously too full of yourself. we don’t have to be serious all the time. but you are entitled to your opinion and thanks for expressing it Reply Hey, Demented, who appointed you as the arbiter of taste for this blog? Stop living up to your handle, ‘kay? Reply “Often described as the “stand your ground” provision, such laws came under national scrutiny after the Florida trial at which George Zimmerman was acquitted of murder in the shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was black.” What does TM race have to do with the GZ SD trial? Where is journalism these days? Everything seems to border on opinion now. Reply What do GZ and TM have to do with SYG at all? GZ wasn’t “standing his ground” he was trying to keep TM from fracturing his skull on the sidewalk. It was a straight case of self defense, and the jury agreed. Reply It was one of the distractions invented by Al Sharpton and Eric Holder to deflect opinion away from the “Not Guilty” verdict. A mob rule attempt. Reply Actually it was started by the 2-bit overdressed law firm of Ben Crumped-Up and Park. Al “Mack Daddy” Sharpton and Jesse (my son’s a criminal congressman” Jackwagon jumped on the bandwagon. Of course Eric “Brainwash Americans about Guns” Holder sent in elements of the DOJ to help the Dream Pretender stage phoney protests. The leadership of that faux group is paid by SEIU. I stand corrected. Thanx! I’m really having a difficult time understanding their argument. I’m seriously trying to wrap my brain around it. I’m supposed to try and run away, or get my rear kicked across town rather than fight back? I’ve got to just turn this off. I don’t get it. Reply @ Tom: It’s not an argument, which is just a red herring; it’s a cause they support. Their argument, as usual, is specious. Reply Well, they are making progress (they’re Progressives, after all) – in the ’60s they were all about total pacifism. You were just supposed to give them whatever they wanted, no argument. If what they wanted was to beat you, rape you or kill you the proper response was to simply go passive and accept it. Fighting back under any circumstances was just lowering yourself to their (ugh) level! We were supposed to be BETTER than them. At least now they are admitting that we have the option to turn around and try to run away. Reply I also recall that in the 60s these were the drugged out high school and college (and some life) dropouts that settled into the original hotbeds of liberalism and promptly went on welfare and/or died of disease and overdoses in their Worker’s Paradise urban communes. They spawned another generation with the same life philosophy (“look at me! I’m the most special snowflake EVER! Now do what I say and gimme free money and stuff! You MUST do as I say; I’m special!). That’s what we’re stuck with – two generations (and spawning) of dropouts. They even went so far as to elect some of their number to state and Federal office, which is why the country’s in this mess now. The one consolation I have is that Natural Selection will eventually rid humanity of them. Reply Those morons lying on the ground is partly why i’m a misanthropist. That much stupid in one place is disparaging. Omg there is a law that says that a person can defend themselves. A law where the victim doesn’t have to run as fast as they can when someone else stomps their foot and goes boo, and even use force, lethal if needed, should the other person become aggressive. I take that “it’ll be like the wild west” slogan as a good thing. Why? Because we had less wusses who want to force everyone to roll belly up like a submissive dog than use our teeth to bite back. I guess people back in the old days also didn’t have the luxury to be delicate and ultra submissive in harsh areas. Reply #5) “Obesity kills more than 400,000 people annually. Over 200,000 die from conditions caused by obesity like heart disease and diabetes. About 190,000 die from being physically inactive for (way) too long.” 6 Things That Kill More People Than Guns http://simplefactsplainarguments.blogspot.com/2013/01/6-things-that-kill-more-people-than-guns.html America is screwed because too many people are ignoramuses and do not have practical real common-sense priorities. Reply Don’t worry, Michelle has been working on mandates for school lunches for school children. Reply The key words there are “government mandates”, which means if you defy their mandates they now have (appropriated for themselves) the authority to use government power in the form of law enforcement (all with GUNS) and the courts (with their ARMED Marshalls and bailiffs) and the prisons (with their ARMED guards) to force you to do what they want. Hell, if you jump bail you will also be chased down by ARMED bounty hunters. I don’t think “Gun Control” means what this lady thinks it means. Reply Bwaaaahaahahahahaha…..lmao Ok… Ok, too funny! …must stop reading…. Rude or not, these posts have been funny as hell! 🙂 Reply “Why should anyone have to retreat or take an ass-whipping if a criminal attacks them?” Because we can’t have Democrat voters getting shot, can we? Reply Next time you’re faced with a liberal making the wild west argument, be sure to point out that the west was “tamed” by people that weren’t afraid to stand up for themselves. Only then, after the land was made relatively safe, did the liberals move in to reap the benefits. Reply LEAVE A REPLY Cancel reply Please enter your comment! Please enter your name here You have entered an incorrect email address! Please enter your email address here Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.