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I was walking to my GF’s apartment late one night when a thought occurred: who wouldn’t want to carry a gun? Sure there are times when packing heat seems a bit, well, silly. But there are times when you can almost hear horror movie music playing in the background. A gun on my hip gives me the same reassurance I get from carrying a credit card: I’m ready for an emergency. Only more so. I carry a boat anchor disguised as a Commander-sized 1911, but it’s no big bother. And there are smaller guns, too. All of them as safe as houses. So why not carry? Seriously. Give me three good reasons NOT to carry a gun.

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    • Where I live, those who work in the courthouse get to walk into special employee only doors that bypass the STASI checkpoint they herd all the taxpayers through. Anybody coming in the front door in any kind of uniform, including the postman, go around the checkpoint not through it.

      • And that’s where the legal minefield comes in:

        Technically carrying a firearm in the “Courthouse” is not forbidden, the public can carry under a MN permit, provided they notify the Sheriff first, however there are certain areas that are still off limits: courtrooms & Court administration offices. (By order of the Judge).

        As an employee there is another statute that states “no municipal employees other than Law Enforcement or security guards shall be Authorized to carry firearms in the performance of their duties”.

        Legal argument of course could be made that carrying a personal firearm for personal protection is not explicitly forbidden. So in theory, after notifying the Sheriff I could in theory “legally” carry my firearm as long as I avoided the Courtrooms/court admin offices.

        I’m also not independently wealthy, and so not willing to be a 2-A test case. (I’d think the Judges order & the law to be vulnerable to both a 2A challenge & a 14A {due process}. But hey, IANAL.

  1. 1. You’re a convicted felon/domestic abuser.
    2. You just had an alcoholic beverage/on drugs.
    3. You aren’t a citizen of the USA or on the terror watchlist.

    • Greencard holders (permeant and LEGAL residents) are fine to be carrying as non-citizens. A fair number are on the terrorist watch-list accidentally, aren’t terrorists, and never will be.

        • Nope. There is no constitutional blanket that covers non citizens. If they become naturalized then sure, but until then they get no protection from the constitution.

        • I agree. Citizens have certain rights. It’s like a gun club–as a member, you get a key to the gate, range privileges, etc. To give a key to everyone is to destroy the place.

        • Plus, the idea that the Constitution doesn’t apply to non citizens is erroneous in the first place.

          Note the first words, “We the People of the United States”. Then Article one continues immediately with “No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have at-
          tained to the age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a
          Citizen of the United States”
          So they were clear that there were certain restrictions on non citizens serving in the Government, but those restrictions were not mentioned a few words earlier, when they were talking about “We the People”. That is clearly meant to apply to all human beings existing within the US, as held separate from the 7 year citizens, who then gained the right to run for public office.
          This, ofc, is not relevant to the fact that blacks were, at that time, not included as human beings, since they were thought of as less than human. That is a separate issue, relating to the status of what it takes to be human, as opposed to a US citizen.

        • Excellent analysis, ken!

          That actually goes back to “Senātus Populusque Rōmānus”: citizens (especially later, under Empire) had special privileges (and also special duties!), but all the populace shared basic rights.

          It was Greek “democracy” that made some people second-class (at least they were honest enough to call them slaves).

        • So non citizens can be kept as slaves? That’s awesome! Thanks for enlightening us with your constitutional wisdom.

        • @ Refugee Citizens are bound by the constitution and the 13th amendment, however your precious squatters are free to engage in slavery and often do.

          So don’t worry you can still pay for sex from that 16 year old sex slave traffiked in by the cartel.

        • The Supreme Court has ruled consistently that Constitutional protections apply to citizens and non-citizens alike, just in the same way that laws apply to both. Voting and holding office are specifically called out as privileges of citizenship, and therefore obviously are denied to non-citizens, but the Constitution definitely protects legal immigrants.

        • Refugee camp occupant
          Try to sane up for long enough to actually read what a post said, instead of making up what YOU wanted it to say!
          I said black WERE considered as less than human AT THAT TIME, which is demonstrably true. But: was that a correct thought, even though it was mainstream at that time? No it was not, but NOT for the reasons that YOUR brain will fill in that blank with. The reason that black’s can not logically be considered as less than human is because there is no objective standard that can be applied that black, yellow, red, AND WHITE man don’t all belong to together. There is no objective difference in the way we go about our lives that you can use to set any of those races aside as “different”. The differences are all cosmetic, and appearances are NOT objective, but subjective. Now, don’t twist that around that I said we are all the same, because we are each unique, no two humans are alike. But other races have certain advangages and differences in thinking, that will sometimes be a disadvantage, and at other times that will be an advantage. The same as I’ve said on this site again and again and again, ad naseuam. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS! EVERYTHING depends on the circumstances around you. In the blazing African sun, black skin is a serious advantage. In Scandinavia, not so much. There, large size helps to prevent heat loss. That size is a serious disadvantage in the heat where getting rid of body heat is the goal, instead of retaining it.
          The Weaver stance is great sometimes, other times ISO is better. Sometimes one handed at the hip with the off hand blocking is the go to, other times, no. What’s the best gun? Whatever you like and trust, that’s what. EVERYTHING is relative…. see Einsteins Theories.

  2. The biggest reason I can think of is Don’t carry a gun if you don’t have in your mind and your heart that you could kill another person, even if your life or the life of a loved one depended on it.

  3. 1. It’s just about ****ing impossible to get a CCW in San Diego County

    I’ll add #2 and #3 when I can think of them…

    • 1 – it’s nearly f*****g impossible to get a CCW in Santa Clara county.
      2 –
      3 –

      Wait….I’ve read something like this before!

      • 1 – it’s nearly f*****g impossible to get a CCW in The People’s Republic of New Jersey.
        2 –
        3 –

        Yeah…California is the only state worse than mine with CCW and restrictive laws

    • It’s a right to keep and BEAR arms. If it’s too big to carry, then it isn’t covered under the 2nd Amendment. And a good study of the Founders’ writings makes it clear that this was their intention for the 2nd Amendment too. Crew-supported weapons were not covered by the 2A.

      • The meanings of those words have changed a bit since the writing. To “keep arms” included keeping them on your person or in your “conveyance” (means of transportation) or home or business. To “bear arms” meant to participate in an armed group, i.e. as a part of the militia, engaged in protecting liberty, which could include defending the country, putting down insurrection, defending against armed bands (gangs), and sometimes supporting law enforcement.

        Under the former (“keep”), the right was individual and covered the common arms of the regular (well-trained and supplied) soldier. Under the latter, it was a collective citizens’ right that did include crew-served weapons. It’s really a fairly simple distinction: as individuals, we have the right to individual weapons, but as groups we also have the right to group weapons. For example, Joe Citizen on his own has no right to have an armored personnel carrier, but Joe’s Neighborhood Watch would.

        There’s a gap in left-wing thinking that leads them to take evidence for the collective right and fail to see the individual right, but there’s also a narrowness of individualistic thinking that leads people supportive of the Second Amendment to want to make it entirely individual. The truth is that it’s both individual and collective — but the one thing it most certainly isn’t is a government “right”; it lies entirely with the citizens.

  4. 1. Your a dumb ass who thinks guns shoot themselves, without anyone pulling the trigger.
    2. Your a dumb ass who is afraid of anything they don’t understand.
    3. Your a dumb ass who thinks they are invincible, and nothing will harm them.

  5. I don’t understand why you would not either but, there are people who just don’t want to. The ones I’ve spoken with, who did not carry, didn’t want the responsibility. I fully support their choice. It’s a free country (mostly). Which is why I do.

    • Some don’t because they have literally never even thought of it. I know 50+ year olds who when you bring it up to them are like “hmmm seems like a good idea, i just have never even thought of it.”

  6. My employer has a no guns at work policy, it would be difficult to replace that (pretty substantial) income if I was dismissed, and the probability of a lethal event in my particular workplace is incredibly small.

    That said, if I worked the register at Burger King I would carry every day.

      • Job I work at forbids firearms at work, but will lock them up at the gate if you do carry, so they follow AZ law. Admittedly, I drive prototype cars for a major manufacturer, so the chance of them being stolen is high… Hasn’t happened yet in 25 years though. Even though I do work 3rd shift.

      • Probably the reason most of us who aren’t carrying everyday aren’t carrying.

        That being said, I think an *anonymous* survey, and which would be totally untraceable, would show around 10% carry anyway. In my role at work (in part, I investigate policy violations), it would be especially problematic – I just fact find, I think GR should be allowed to carry as they are the actioners.

    • Y’know, prior to Ft. Hood, I would have guessed that inside a processing center where active dutyU.S. Army personnel were being processed for transfer to a combat zone, on a large military base in TEXAS, for god’s sake, would be so close to absolutely safe that no one should feel the need to be armed. A “lethal event” can catch you anywhere.

  7. It seems like most of the comments here are for why OTHERS shouldn’t carry (which I get). I took the question as to why I/yourself/you/whatever shouldn’t carry.

    1) Affected state-of-mind (drugs (the legal kind) and alcohol)
    2) Going to a place with metal detectors; ball-park, courthouse, concert/event, etc.
    3) TBD

  8. Well, from a Canadian perspective:

    1. You’ll go to jail for longer than a violent repeat offender criminal would if you tried it and face repercussions for employment and habitation for the rest of your life
    2. See 1
    3. See 1

  9. “But there are times where can almost hear horror movie music playing in the background.”

    I only hear that music when clowns are present. Or my ex wife. But, that’s kind of the samething.

    • One of the routes I can choose to take on my walk between home and work takes me diagonal across a local outdoor mall. I normally avoid this because of the crazy impatient drivers swarming around in the parking lot make it more dangerous than crosswalks in busy intersections. However, on the rare occasion that I find myself walking to or from work between 1am and 4am it is dead silent . . . except for the music still playing softly on their outdoor speaker system. During the day it is so loud you can hardly hear it. But walking across an empty parking lot at 3am with my breath visible and a Muzak rendition of Little Drummer Boy playing in the background makes you wonder if you just walked onto the set of a new Romero film or the next Purge movie. Creepy I tell you.

  10. My new favorite response to the question by an anti gun person: “Why do you carry a gun?” is “Because its safer that way.”

  11. I have 2 reasons not to carry…

    1) I’m not legally allowed to, for reasons that may or may not make any sense.
    2) I’m not capable of safely handling the gun (I’m drinking, for example).

  12. 1. Prohibited where you work and you make enough money that losing said job would be more detrimental to your family than the potential of workplace violence occurring
    **Note: its a tradeoff thing, if you work a job with a high probability of getting assaulted/shot ie. cashier at a fast food joint or convenience store, pizza delivery guy, Uber driver etc. or somewhere with no security/ no controlled access, then I would say this isn’t an excuse, luckily most of those jobs are crappy and easily replaced so the risk reward is tilted in your favor given the only way they should ever find out is if you have to defend your life (co workers ratting you out shouldn’t be an excuse as you have no business telling them you are packing heat against company policy).

    2. Because of #1 and/or because you are just lazy and haven’t gotten your CHL (me until last week)

    3. You are a stripper?… hey it happens!

    • A quick Internet search found one incident of an Uber driver wounded by someone shooting at his passengers and another where the driver shot a man who was shooting at a crowd of people. Not a large sample, and probably not complete, but…

      Uber is a NO CASH business. Your greatest risk is from drunk passengers, especially if you inform them that you are declining to let them in your car. Second greatest risk is for carjacking, but everyone who uses their app to call an Uber knows that Uber has ALL of their personal history on file already and is GPS tracking their phone. Third greatest risk – Uber’s stupid policy that drivers are not allowed to carry even if properly permitted by the state. Uber being based in San Francisco I guess they actually believe that the companion policy that passengers are also not allowed to carry firearms in an Uber vehicle resolves that issue entirely.

      • Why would anyone care what Uber says about carrying your own gun in your own car? That is just stupid! A first step in learning to simply ignore stupid rules. If the company EVER finds out, it will be because you have saved your own life or someone else’s, nowhere near an even trade, regardless of what they do.

  13. 1. It is inconvenient. Especially in the summer, hot weather when it is hard to conceal. I don’t open carry. Or those poor folks that live or work in areas that restrict weapons. Can’t keep your gun in the company parking lot. Can’t take it in to work. And so on. So many restrictions make it impractical to carry.
    2. Some people are afraid of guns. They seem to think they are evil. They probably should not carry until they can overcome that irrational fear.
    3. People that would not ever be able to shoot someone even if their life was in danger should not carry a firearm. Chances are if they can’t use one it is more likely it would be taken from them in a bad situation and used against them. If you carry you have to be mentally prepared to defend yourself with it, should the need arise.

  14. Most have already been said, but if you consider yourself one of the beta-males that is the “modern metrosexual,” then you should not carry. Or reproduce.

  15. I am somewhat absent-minded and tend to focus on what I am dealing with at the moment. There are too many idiotic laws restricting when and where I can legally carry, and I don’t like the way I would have to change my thinking styles to put up with them.

    If there were no restrictions whatsoever, I would carry always. I could probably put up with some minor restrictions, such as having to put my gun in a security locker at a courthouse metal detector screen. But having to think about “Oh this is a post office parking lot” even when I am not going to the post office, or remembering to look for signs going into stores … no, I am not good at dealing with that.

    I carry around home, sometimes, but it gets to be such second nature that I worry about leaving home for some quick errand and forgetting. I am simply not good at dealing with arbitrary and artificial idiots and their regulations and laws.

  16. My list is broken down into where I would carry concealed, carry open, or not carry at all.

    1-C: Crowds, downtown restaurant/business districts, locations that are populated with liberals/anti-gun types. I certainly don’t want to be a test case for CSGV’s SWATing directive, or attract attention from an overzealous/scared cop. Nor do I feel like constantly having to keep my pistol-side turned away from potential grabs.

    2-OC: Convenience stores, trips to Walmart, eating in at the local BBQ, running errands around my home county, chores around the homestead.

    3-NC: Courthouses, VA facilities, gun-free zones, etc. But I only go to the courthouse once a year, I refuse to patronize establishments posted gun-free, and I don’t have anything to do with the VA unless I’m dying (in which case I really won’t need to be armed).

  17. 1. Know I am going to be imbibing.

    2. Gonna see kid at school event.

    3. Going into prohibited public arena.

    In these instances, I will likely not carry a firearm, but I WILL carry something. Chem spray, knife or other non metallic concealable.

  18. “…Give me three good reasons NOT to carry a gun.”

    Being in a nudist colony. But I guess you could use a shoulder holster to solve the lack of a belt.

    Can I get back to you on the other two?

    • “Being in a nudist colony. But I guess you could use a shoulder holster to solve the lack of a belt.”

      Shooting the Bull 410 has a tiny Kydex holster on a dog tag chain around his neck for his 22lr NAA mini of his…

  19. 1. Working in an environment where the risk of a grab is significant. For example, a treatment facility that does physical restraints.

    2. Know you’re going into a prohibited zone.

    3. Swimming

  20. 1. if i happen to be barred from owning firearms
    2. the establishment forbids it
    3. i’m swimming.

    thats all i can think of.

  21. 1. Your job is lifeguard and your uniform is a speedo.

    2. You’re a figure skater and it would mess up your balance.

    3. Your job requires total spandex clothing and you despise open carry.

    4. You work at a wrecking yard with high-power electromagnets and ANY metal on your body is deadly.

    5. You’re a drug dealer in an “Operation Exile” city and merely having one on your person could get you an extra five years with no good time and no parole.

    6. You’re a naturist and it would ruin your tan.

    • If I were a “naturist” (I’m too old and fat, but that’s another issue) I would make it a point to show up every time with a tan line – of my S&W 686 – on my right thigh.

    • 4. You work at a wrecking yard with high-power electromagnets and ANY metal on your body is deadly.

      Just get a Glock 7, made out of porcelain. Of course, it does cost more than you make in a month.

    • “4. You work at a wrecking yard with high-power electromagnets and ANY metal on your body is deadly.”

      Even worse is if you’re an MRI tech in a hospital. There’s a video on YouTube of an MRI about to be shut down where they hooked up a scale to a piece of rope that had an average-sized hand wrench on it and moved it near the mouth of the MRI.

      Scale reading? 280 pounds.

      “How dangerous are magnetic items near an MRI magnet? ”

  22. 1. You’re allergic to nitro-cellulose fumes and/or salt-peter and sulphur.

    2. You’re getting an MRI.

    3. You’re prone to having hallucinations that regular people are turning into zombies and are going to attack you to eat your brains.

  23. Confession: I have a CCW, but I don’t carry every single day, even though in theory it’s a great idea.

    1. Clothes with a more fitted look, look and fit better than loose clothing, which looks sloppy and slovenly. It’s hard to conceal a handgun underneath such clothing. The well-dressed gentleman finds carry difficult unless he has a NAA Mini .22.

    2. With the exception of the above-mentioned gun perhaps, most guns are heavy, bulky, and uncomfortable to have strapped to your body in some place. This requires effort.

    3. In my case, I work in the innermost office of a building where there are several other CCWers. The boss is a walking arsenal, the cop next to the door is armed, and most everyone else is packing heat too. So for practical purposes, I don’t “need” to, and console-of-car carry is more than sufficient.

    • “…most guns are heavy, bulky, and uncomfortable to have strapped to your body in some place.”

      In the Immortal words of my Tactical Pistol Instructor after I paused a string of fire because I pinched my pinkie finger in the magazine well during a combat reload exercise, “Does it hurt more than getting shot?”

    • Re #1: That’s why God invented the blazer. There are sartorial choices that allow even a “well dressed gentleman” to tool up appropriately.

      Re #2: Proper belt + proper holster and you can almost forget it’s there. Carrying a full size 1911 today that I hardly notice.

      Re #3: Would a true “gentleman” rely on others to be his sole line of defense?

    • You’re wrong, your mindset is twisted to the point of lunacy, and you should feel bad about it. Change immediately.

      1. Quit whining about clothes and carry your damn gun.
      2. Being a responsible person does require effort. Deal with it.
      3. Relying on other people for your own defense makes you wrong. It’s called PERSONAL defense for a reason.

      • The Echo Chamber is strong here. “If you don’t carry (preferably a .50AE) everywhere, including your bathrobe, you are a weenie libtard irresponsible coward with grave deficiency of judgment.”

        Common sense says that a gun is a tool, and some situations are more likely to benefit from that tool than others. For example, if you are a convenience store clerk in a shady part of a shady city, your “likelihood of needing a gun at some point” is about 10/10. If you take walks late at night in a city, like RF in his example, we might say you have a 6/10. If you live and work in a very safe small town, with a bunch of POTG who enjoy carrying just because, your realistic need for a gun on a daily basis is about 0.5/10. Would it be better to have a gun and not need it? Sure. But when carrying is a hassle… it’s not worth it for me, and, I’ll wager, for most people. That doesn’t mean that I think going about armed is a bad idea, or that I do not arm myself when circumstances are more conducive to it, but I do think it’s a bit much to say that every man must carry a gun, all the time. (When I do carry, incidentally, I usually carry a lowly .32, which I can shoot very well, should the unlikely need arise.)

        • I’d never call someone a coward unless they earned it first. You’re either responsible for your own defense, or you aren’t. There’s no halfway, no sometimes, no “I won’t need it today”. If you think carrying is that much of a hassle, don’t do it, ever. Be a sheep, no skin off my nose. Unscrew your mindset, as your life may very well depend on it. If you need some help in that department, I’m more than happy to steer you towards some helpful reading material.

    • I know , my sloppy , loose fitting clothes clash with my beautiful manicured nails .
      I don’t think I would rely to heavily on your office mates , unless they’re loose clothes sloths .

  24. Don’t carry if:

    1. You don’t trust your own temper with a gun;
    2. You are clueless about how to handle a firearm;
    3. You’re a Democrat politician or oligarch who wants to take guns away from everyone except the instruments of state violence, your armed guards and your wealthy friends in high places.

  25. 1) History proves you WILL get in a wild-west style shootout with the driver of the car who cut you off in traffic.
    2) Your children are 138 times more likely to find it and shoot themselves with it.
    3) You WILL go looking for trouble, shooting the first black person you come across.

  26. College student…

    I would but it appears others have decided that young people that go to school in big cities with high crime rates are to ‘irresponsible’, or something.

  27. 1. You aren’t trained to use it effectively.
    2. You don’t understand the responsibility that comes with using lethal force.
    3. You aren’t mentally capable of defending yourself. Plenty of people don’t.

    That rules out roughly 99% of people.

  28. Do not carry a weapon if…
    1. You aren’t trained to use it effectively.
    2. You don’t understand the responsibility that comes with using force.
    3. You aren’t mentally capable of defending yourself.

    That rules out roughly 99.9% of people.

  29. As a German:
    1.Because it is (nearly) impossible to get the right permit here.
    2. See number 1
    3. See number 2
    As an American:
    1. Visiting the hospital as a patient, because honestly when you’re seriously ill you shouldn’t operate anything that could get lethal for another person and I’m not only talking about guns.
    2. You are drunk or under the influence of another legal drug which alters the mind considerably.
    3. Thinking on that some more.

  30. 1) You are a typical liberal gunphobic; No wait. many gunphobic liberals have armed guards, so it’s just the common folk that are dangerous with guns (and certainly don’t have the right to protect themselves).
    2) You live in California and the Attorney General is pushing a proposition that would make ammunition so expensive that the poor will not be able to afford it and the middle class and police would have to cut back on training (no online purchases)
    3) You are suicidal, so you spend large amounts of time with crowds in gun free zones.

  31. -the risk of loss of life or of great body harm in your area is less than the likelihood of you getting prosecuted for carrying.
    -You are not of age
    -you just got into firearms and are not familiar with them enough
    -you plan on drinking that night

  32. Because everywhere I go is a gun free zone. Also, its effectively illegal to carry a weapon in California since you can’t open carry and getting CCW is almost impossible in much of the state.

  33. 1. If you cannot afford a gun, ammo, holster, gun safe, training classes, regular practices, permit, and/or new wardrobe.
    2. If you have done your research and decided that the very small chance you will be put into a situation to need to defend yourself or another with a gun is too small to justify the added stress, expense, and discomfort in your daily life. This is a perfectly valid choice to make for one’s self, and judging someone else for making this choice is just as bad as the antis judging us for choosing to carry. I support the freedom to carry, and it’s not a freedom if it’s not a choice.
    3. If you have a physical, neurological, or psychological condition that you feel makes it very difficult or impossible to safely operate a gun or exercise sound judgement at all times while carrying, such as blindness, severe narcolepsy, schizophrenia, severe arthritis, etc. The key is to make this determination for yourself, not for others.

  34. I hear ya. I just got back from 4 days in Las Vegas. I have my AZ permit so it’s recognized in NV. I don’t live in either state, but I digress. When I told my wife I was bringing my Springfield XDs, as usual, she asked me “why?”. I said, because I can, and I want to. The obvious reason being for defense.

    As we walked up and down the strip for 4 days, I was glad I had my little concealed friend on my hip in it’s comfy leather home and spare mag in my pocket. While I didn’t need it, I’m glad I had it. There’s quite a bit of riff raff on the strip, especially between the MGM grand and just South of the Venetian.

    This was my 5th trip to Las Vegas and first time with my firearm. Funny how before I had firearms (the previous 4 trips) I never felt like I needed one, even there. Now that I carry everywhere, I would have felt naked without it.

  35. Only 1 reason, ok 2.
    Because its a felony! NY and NJ will not issue permits, we all know this.
    And because the gun community as a whole is allowing it.

    If NY and NJ couldn’t buy guns for the police because no one would sell to them because they would lose all their business the states would change the laws. If the gun community as a whole would boycott any and all companies that sell guns to NY and NJ the laws would get changed.

  36. I try to carry whenever feasible. Since I go to school, can’t carry at work, and secure my gun with a U lock through the mag well, this involves taking the gun on and off and loading/unloading it several times a day. Is it a bit of a pain? Sure. However, having been randomly attacked several times in in my adult life, I know the downside is greater than the inconvenience.

    I look at it this way; No one would think me paranoid for having smoke/CO2 detectors and several fire extinguishers in my home, even though I’ve never had a house catch fire. In fact, they would probably consider me an idiot if I had experienced several house fires and didn’t have extinguishers and detectors. I look at carrying the same way, past experience dictates current precautions. Besides, how dumb would you feel if things go sideways and your gun is at home in the safe?

  37. *shrug* I live in an area that’s low crime, and low threat potential (low to nil ME immigrants, few to no liberal-leftists), and doesn’t have much in the way of dangerous animals, plus I’m a home body, so I tend to not see a major reason to carry except when hunting.

    (Was that three or four reasons? I lost count.)

    If those things change, or if I still lived in DFW, I’d carry as needed regardless of prohibitions, regardless of law or regulations, and regardless of politics and prohibitions.

    It’s a reasoned assessment, and if my perception of the locale and situation changes, I can and will reason it the other direction.

  38. Me and the wife haven’t forged a proper accord. Very little people around constantly. No retention holster and no ccw permit.


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