I’m cribbing this question from the good folks usacarry.com. Responses to their HMAIE enquiry ranged from “Everything from ‘if you’re not drowning or on fire, you can’t have too much ammo’ to a slightly more normal ‘thinking 1,000 rounds per gun or per cal owned then buy a box shoot a box’ to a recent moron saying ‘So you’re advocating that everyone reading this article should continue to hoard and buy everything in sight, furthering the shortage that is a direct result of the behavior you advocate for?’ My take: unless you’re preparing for an extended ammo drought you only need enough ammo to maintain a reserve (vs. your ammo depletion rate). Remembering that there’s only so much ammo you can carry. Of course, you may need to hand out guns and ammo to your neighbors in a short-term disaster scenario. I guess it depends on how paranoid/prepared you are. So how prepared/paranoid are you?
There’s no such thing as “too much ammo”.
Except when your dead and you can not use it. It is better that you, your friends, and family have ammo than one person hoarding all of it.
Ask your wife.
thats bad advice when it comes to ammo storage.
“honey, why do you need more than 100 rounds for these guns?”
Quite the opposite. She’d say, “If you have to ask, BUY MORE.”
A case or two of every round you have is a pretty solid supply.
Define “case.”
As far I’m concerned, the shortage is over except .22lr, but I’m still buying and you better be too.
you don’t live in so cal do you?
More.
Only 200 rounds or so per handgun & a box or 3 for the shotgun. If its TEOTWAWKI and I need more than 200 rounds, I’ll probably be dead anyway.
I’m pretty close to you, I guess–I had 1000 or so rounds of .22, when I got to @600 rounds of Makarov I quit worrying about it, had about 60 rounds of buckshot set aside, I was satisfied with that but I gave a 15-round box to my oldest son, who now tells me he doesn’t know where it is–same with the 400 or so rounds of .22 I gave him. 🙁 He has my Mak now, I gave him a box of rounds for that but I kept the rest for my P-64. My only .38 is a two-shot derringer, so I only have maybe a dozen rounds for that, I gave a box to my other son when he inherited a .38 from my dad. I figure with the 500 or so Mak rounds I have and the buckshot, along with several boxes of birdshot for my 12-gauge, I at least have enough to get started if faced with a zombie apocalypse or some such–and, following the principle behind the WWII “Liberator” pistol (not the bomber), I have enough to “get another gun” with if it comes to that.
For training my rule of thumb is to have around 1000 rounds per caliber per person training per year. Given the uneven availability and to isolate yourself from ups and down of the ammo marketplace I consider that planning for at least 3 years of ammo for training seems reasonable.
For service ammo you should plan differently. First you need to select the guns that you think you will use during a SHTF situation. You may choose to have different guns for different purposes. Consider every gun that you and your party will use: side arm, main battle rifle, hunting rifle, patrol rifle. For the main rifle battle you may need around 500 rounds per year, for sidearm – 500, hunting 100. Then multiple that by the number of guns that you will use and number of years you expect to use them. Planning for at least 5 years seems reasonable.
Any other suggestions for the rule of thumb? It will be interesting to know how much ammo a person deployed in a combat zone uses per year. That will help tweak the formula for SHTF situation.
10,000 semi automatic.
5000 per bolt action rifle of any caliber
100,000 22lr.
machine guns get same treatment as 22lr.
Phoenix NFA and I are on the same page when it comes to this issue. But I don’t have anywhere near as much .22LR as that.
gents, this is a goal, not a current status 😉
and im a firm believer in ballistic wampum.
at one point i DID have over 5k of 22lr on hand.
500-1k for pistol cals would be nice, 100-250 for manually operated rifles (non 223,7.62) and a few hundred shells from buckshot and slug to birdshot would be great.
1000 rds per gun is my goal. 500 rds per gun is more realistic. More for .22 and 7.62×39.
Why am I being told “I do not have permission” to edit a comment I made seconds before? This happened a couple days ago, too.
I think that happened to me once: I was still in the edit textbox when the “you have xx minutes to edit” timer had timed out, so by the time I hit “submit,” the software rejected the post. Or so I’m speculating.
Now that photo is a decent start.
Just 2 of us took close to 1,500 rounds to play yesterday.
The brass is in the tumbler. Going to spend today reloading and cleaning.
Given that I just recently got a Dillon 550B I am doubling my numbers. 1,000 to 2,000 for handgun and 2,000 to 4,000 for .223. My .22lr goal is 10,000 and then I shoot as I buy (not even half way there but a man can dream).
I never thought I would reload, and then the SHTF with gun laws and ammo shortage. I keep 3000 rounds of brass per caliber on hand with enough powder, primer and bullets to make all of it. With that said, I keep 500 rounds of each caliber loaded and when I hit 1000, I simply order enough to make another 1000.
I gave all my 22lr away to various youth shooting programs. The continued shortage and hoarding of 22lr is simply nuts. I saw this past Saturday at Cabela’s people lined up around the block to be able to get one 100 round box of Federal 22lr.
I’ve split my calibers into primary, secondary and tertiary. Primary gets the most then secondary and tertiary calibers don’t get stocked for (if it’s over a hundred rounds that’s good enough).
And it’s not hoarding if you had it before the panic buying. Having it on hand allowed me to sit out the feeding frenzy and not contribute to the madness.
Past that, I’d prefer to keep at least a couple thousand rounds (combined total of practice and social ammo) for primary, a thousand total for secondary calibers. However, I don’t think that 10k is out of line for 22lr.
Steelheart
I’ve always thought that 1-5,000 round per caliber per person was minimum. And 25,000+ rounds of a particular caliber per person was a hoarde.
However, the fact of the matter is that there is not enough ammo produced for this country for each shooter to have an adequate reserve.
Those of us that were forward thinking are in good shape. I feel sorry for the people trying to stock up to a reasonable amount now.
Never….How many Shot shows has this been promised?? Good idea executed horribly ( from marketing standpoint) or probably just does not work well. I “imagine” it would hold up to battering better than aluminum. Still waiting…..
I think it’s relative. I shoot about 10,000 rounds per year, and I usually have about a 2 year supply of ammo (or components to reload)
One thing for sure, I might have enough, but I’ve never had too much.
Based on the current trend of our government and society, I would have to say enough to last the rest of your lifetime and that of you children’s lifetime. It cannot be assumed the product will be there, in its current form, any more than assuming the firearms and magazines will be there. Until there is some indication that at least one of the two parties is interesting in stopping and retreating from tyranny, it will simply remain a monthly budget item, regardless of the actual number. Look no further than Connecticut to remember why you need to buy and store more ammunition today.
I try to keep a minimum of 1000 rounds per caliber. And yeah – “shot X, then immediately replenish X”
That number will vary based on what you can reasonably afford.
With a house full of growing children and a single income, 300-400 rounds per caliber seems to be the sweet spot around here
That has always been the question right? how much is too much? when you are actively training ,there is really no doubt there is never enough on hand ,because through training you know your ammo is a finite resource ,keep plenty ,as much as you can in storage ….simple .In a shtf situation ,you have to realize that packing light may well save your life,so we need to look at what platform we are using .556,308 what ever ,how much can you carry with comfort ,how strong are you? what else are you hauling ? Your ammo in shtf is no doubt a finite resource to be used sparingly …..so train ,learn your weapon ,this will give you the confidence you will need to decide how much you can carry and be an effective asset to your group ,or family.my thought is in shtf ,you will be collecting alot of ammo from those individuals who have not spent alot of time training .You will also be collecting alot of firearms from those very same people.So now we are full circle ,how much is enough?
,and the real answer is how much do you train .?
That’s an interesting take and one that I largely subscribe to. There are many of us for whom more rounds down range are not going to help and we’ve largely moved on to maneuver and communications rather than just shooting. I couldn’t even say what I have on hand but my load out is just 300 rnds of 5.56 and 25 rnds of .45acp. That’s plenty heavy when there are other things that need to be humped and if it’s all used up there ought to be some ammo and weapons laying about that are not longer ‘in use’.
That picture generates the next post RF. Does a responsible gun owner lock up his ammo in some manner? Safe, cabinet, lockable closet? Does easily accessible ammo have legal, safety, or best practices implications for American gun owners?
the question is how much defensive ammo is enough? you can get 20rds for $24 or you can get 50rds for $16, so should you buy defensive or target ammo the next time you see it?
Just vote “NO”
My oldest son is sold on the .300 BLK.I’m not as enthusiastic though.I have my Ar15’s,..and in 30cal. I will just hang with my .308 bolt’s and AR10 until the .300 BLK been around awhile.
Of course, you may need to hand out guns and ammo to your neighbors in a short-term disaster scenario.
Actually, your neighbors are likely to be the reason that you’ll need those guns for protection.
Figure out the amount of ammo you think you need, then quadruple it. Now you’re in the ballpark.
ACTUALLY you will need your neighbors (or other, perhaps more reliable, group) to protect your community from the city dwellers who decide where the REALLY want to live is where you already located YOUR family, Or think you can do so all by your lonesome?
Heck, you’ll easily burn through 500 rounds in any decent defensive training class that is worth it’s salt..and that doesn’t even begin to touch on normal practice and “just for fun” plinking….so, I’d say you need to start with, and maitain at least 1K per caliber at a minimum (use a box, buy a box)….that doesn’t even include reasonable reserves for prepping…add another 500 rounds for those arms you plan to use for your “SHTF Insurance Policy”
I buy bulk because:
1. I like to save money. (I’m cheap.)
2. I don’t like to have to run to the store before I go to the club. (I’m lazy)
(I do the same thing with toilet paper – I got shelves full! I win!)
But if you’re asking from the standpoint of an ammo preparedness kind of mindset then I’d go with 1000 rounds set aside (as in you always have that amount on hand and rotate it with newer stock) per long gun that is a designated mythical “SHTF” gun. 500 per shotgun or pistol that is SHTF designated. 2500 rounds of .22 LR set aside. Just cuz. Where did I get those numbers? I dunno. I just made them up.
In reality, whatever the SHTF is, if it’s anything short of total societal collapse with mutant bikers packing wrist crossbows and circling your desert fortress, you’ll probably be fine with a box of Gold Dots in the handgun caliber of your choice, a couple 5 round boxes of 12 gauge buck and a box of slugs, or a couple mags of 5.56 (7.62×39 – whatever)to protect the homestead. I’m doubting you’re going to crack open your vast stores of .22 LR and start subsistence hunting for squirrels around the neighborhood just because you got snowed in for a week. But hey, maybe. People do weird shit. 🙂
I say buy in bulk when you can do so, if it allows you to save some dough. Or get some reloading gear but do the math versus the value of your time and the caliber you intend to reload to make sure it’s really worth it to you, unless you just like reloading. Some guys like to relax by making some ammo, some guys find it relaxing to sit in the garage with a cup of coffee and clean a gun. Then again, some don’t. 🙂
So anyway, even if it takes you a really long time to go through a case of ammo, it’s not money wasted. You’ll use it up eventually and then one day you’ll be saying “Wow check out what I found in my ammo cabinet! Back in 2023 I bought this case of 9mm for only $30 a box!” “Wow, that’s crazy. I didn’t think they ever sold it so cheap.”
TIP:
If you buy in bulk as in a case, or you just stop by the store and grab 5-10 boxes at a time, get some masking tape or some little sticky labels and record the date and price per box on it. For rotation purposes, if that interests you, and if you want to see how you’re doing over time as prices go up, up, up.
More. More is enough.
Unfortunately, with congress scheduled to go on recess soon, it may not matter. Look for the Liar in Chief to make a recess appointment or two…
Glad you didn’t get hurt. Yeah, my position on Acevedo is that Austin could do far worse for a Chief of Police. He seems very available. I mean, PR-conscious.
wonder if 80 percent lowers have been executive ordered to be illegal.
Would keep all biz records off site, better if you have a fire or other accident for the biz. Encryption sounds good but thats also what the NSA does for fun.
Not speaking for the NSA or any of the alphabet agencies but to your point, the NSA is very good at breaking into things that belong to others. That said, they have finite resources which they devote to priority tasking. Does anyone really think the NSA cares what any of the other alphabet agencies want? Encrypt your stuff. Make it so difficult for jerks like the ATF that in order for your drive to be broken into, it has to become a matter of national security and preempts things like breaking into the Norwegian Defense Ministry’s command and control systems. NSA breaking into a computer so ATF can make a gun case? I would believe that when I saw it with my own eyes.
If you can drive a car below .09 and operate an airplane below .05, I don’t see why you can’t carry and have a 12 or 20 oz over the course of a dinner out.
In many states you can, and (contrary to predictions by the antis) there is no epidemic of drunken gunfights in them.
I went to a Black Tie dinner last night. Had a few glasses of wine. and I had my glock 26 under my jacket. I don’t recall killing anyone. . . . and I was pretty close to some non-Shannon Watts VIPs. Surprisingly, they lived too.
Getting away and running was EXACTLY the right thing to do. Even had you been armed and shot the scumbag, you’d have to deal with the whole aftermath. I’m sure his mother would have been on every t.v. station and network by now, telling the world what a good boy he was, and how you executed her angel just as he was turning his life around. I am in favor of standing your ground, but sometimes a tactical “hauling a**” is the best solution.
Seems like SXSW is about as crime filled at the NBA all start weekend. How many more news stories will the there be about the crimes at this event? YouTube is already full of video showing fights outside the festival events.
In the middle of these “from my cold dead hands” and “jack booted thugs” comments – which are probably deserved – it would be worthwhile to have some learned discussion from people who know the law for real and don’t just practice it on the internet. Specifically I’d like to hear some discussion on the potential liability for Ares’ customers which is not Internet rumor or suppositions based on how slimy BATFE is perceived to be. First off, are we talking only about the polymer lowers discussed in the article? If an individual bought a polymer lower in good faith, based on Ares’ understanding of the law and the discussions between the manufacturer of the lowers and BATFE, what are the realistic chances – again not Internet rumor – that individuals who purchased these polymer lowers will have BATFE show up at their door? What kind of numbers are we talking about? A few polymer lowers, a couple hundred, or a couple thousand? If the numbers are in the thousands does BATFE realistically have the resources to make that many cases?
Secondly, what are the liabilities for an individual who may have purchased an 80% aluminum lower from Ares some time in the past – let’s say a year or two ago? I understand that 80% aluminum lowers have long been recognized as “okay” by BATFE and they are available from a large number of sources.
Yes I do know of an individual who bought an aluminum lower from Ares a couple of years ago. I know that according to BATFE the receiver is not a firearm because it is still in its original 80% complete state today. I suspect that the individual’s name may be found on Ares’ computers from that purchase made in the past. I also suspect that the individual’s name shows up on other lists as he is a “churchgoing military veteran who owns guns”. So again what’s the realistic level of paranoia here?
Now for a general comment that will get me into major trouble. I suspect that at least some of Ares’ troubles have come from their very “in your face” advertising campaign of late. The whole 80% lower thing has been one of those things that stayed pretty much under the radar for quite a few years. The gun guys knew what they could do, BATFE for the most part didn’t get too upset, and a good time and a good truce was had by all. Get all of this out into the media, publicize it with billboards, and the politicians feel pressured to do something because “we just can’t have this sort of thing going on.” Is any of that right? No, but unfortunately its the way business is done in this country. I’m not blaming the victim here, but I am reminding people of the realities of politics when dealing with people who don’t think as we do.
Kashkari should be in prison, not running for elected office, regardless of his party affiliation.
Here’s a tip for elections, folks: Anyone who has “Goldman Sachs” on their resume’? Yea, don’t vote for them unless you want to be the mark in a game of thimblerigging.
I have a spreadsheet to track inventory and usage.
Something about avoiding stupid people, being in stupid places, or doing stupid things…
90 rounds of vintage Winchester Black Talon .357mag
200 rounds of .22LR
20 rounds of .380
Guess I suck at my home armory. Not near enough to share.
Just catching up on my reading here and really appreciated this article, thanks.
He looks really tall. But in good shape for his age
Jackbooted Thugs!
Would enjoy knowing if this man was able to get his rights reinstated. It really is bad that someone can accuse you of something and the cops just take you away. It seems the old adage innocent until proven guilty only goes for the rich and famous. . . I bet Lindsey Lohan could walk into a store today and purchase a firearm without a batted eye by the ATF, FBI or any of the other members of the alphabet soup.
Enough HP to load everything, enough FMJ reserve to never be out of anything. Keep in mind, having several guns and/or calibers means a substantial chunk of ammo.
Haven’t you guys gotten the memo yet? Malloy sent it out, and it says : “You lost.”
Armed resistance is futile. Like a turkey shoot, they will pick you off one at a time, and if a cop dies in the process, the media will declare that their belief that we are all nutcases who should be locked up and our guns confiscated and banned forever proved. If you cannot win in the courts (and right now there is no way that you can win in the state courts in Connecticut or the Federal District Court), you cannot win; you will go to prison, and your life and the life of your family will be destroyed forever. And you will lose your gun rights, forever.
Get out the vote, protest (peacefully) in very large groups for long periods of time, get out of town, or store your guns out of state until things change.
I hope this is satire, cause if its not, you sir, don’t personally have a need for the 2nd amendment.
What memo would that me, this one? http://imgur.com/DVCZxv3
lol. Paranoid.
2 years of shooting in reserve. One congressional election to the next. We can kick the House to the curb, but, only a third of the Senate.
Seriously, since when did these pictures become reasons to act like trolls to our OWN frakking community members. SMFH.
EDIT: Cool rifle, man I want a piston upper 🙂
This is an interesting thread. Both my wife and I shoot USPSA. We shoot a lot of rounds for practice and competitions. With two of us, reloading is the only way. We consider ourselves very casual competitors and this is my third most important hobby, the first two being non-gun hobbies.
I’d like to see another article/thread started up asking the question: How many rounds do you shoot in practice each week/month/year? In addition, I’d be interested if people would identify as law enforcement or not. I’m told by a lot of LEOs that most LEOs don’t practice nearly as much as the public is led to believe. I realize it is a generalization and asking the question on here will have a built-in bias in the answers. It would still be interesting to get a feel for it.
1000 rounds .45
1000 rounds .38
1000 rounds .357 mag
1000 rounds .44 mag
5000-10000 rounds .22lr
I replace what I shoot by reloading or buying.
But…..but……I thought only democrats wanted to take my guns away?
Thanks, Tom! Please keep them coming.
This ahole is extremely dangerous. Having seen his q&a videos and other media forays, it’s plain to see this man is a threat to every free man.
I will buy and hoard until I can walk in a store and look at the full shelves and say, “I don’t need any more right now.”
I would love to see the ‘restraining order’. I am surprised they did not post it on their website.
I have no love for the ATF but I tend toward the skeptical.
I hope Ares products sales out and gets a boatload of customers just to spite the ATF. We stand by you Ares.
Kids are dying! Send us money, QUICKLY! OH GOD ANOTHER ONE DIED! HURRY! JUST THROW IT AT THE SCREEN!
Because they’re going to take that money and… what, exactly? Relocate them? Buy them a new life?
Oh wait, I know! They use it to pay for more ads so they can… get more… money…. huh….
There was a dude in the pic? My first thought was nice gun followed by “I miss my 6940” anyway always nice to see more supporters.
Meh…The “do it for the children” bleeding hearts, has lost it’s traction with me…
Agreed. It’s a tired and ridiculous meme. It didn’t have much momentum from the get go for me. Emotional manipulation is callous, disgusting and above all irrational for policy making. Especially when it’s so selective. Run over a kid while texting, terrible accident. Some pedophile ruins the lives of a bunch of children, the community rightfully ostracizes the perv, but some pinhead psycho shoots up a school with a stolen AR belonging to a family member they murdered prior and the idiot media goes after the gun. For the children… enough already. “They are the future” sure, but we are the present, let’s fix that.
Rich, dying in defense of liberty sucks just as much as dying for anything else. The Founders would have been shooting by now. What does that say about all of us? Are we more cautious, or have we all gotten a little sheep-like?
And Shannon Watts wonders why I was carrying when I met her at SXSW.
Some picture of holding onto a 10/22 doesn’t make you pro-2A. Maybe pro Ruger, but if I had to choose between these two, it’d be Mitch hands down.
I was a donor to Save The Children for years. The last few years they have become intensely partisan. The whored for the Obama anti gun rights efforts.
Save the Children, like a lot of charities that get virtually all their funding now from governments and corporate funding, essentially sells its name to political and corporate interests.
Save the Children was accused by the BBC recently of whitewashing some energy companies and attacking others in direct relations to the funding they got from those companies Their corporate funding development team had been sending emails essentially promoting such a scheme. See bottom of this article: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25273024
Save the Children was pitching new funding requests from the Obama administration when it volunteered itself and its brand into Obama’s attempted gun grab.
The gun owners of KY need to call out Alison Lundgren Grimes. Have her state in public that she does not support background checks. The last thing we need is another Manchin -Toomey type of politician.
Seriously, go to her rallies and town hall meeting and see what she really believes while in public.
Agreed. It would only take someone and a few pals to stand in a town hall question line to really ferret out her position and put her in an uncomfortable spot.
Recent Kentuckian here, and I must say that McConnel’s tactics have really turned me off on voting for him. Immediately attacking his opponents? There’s enough negativity in politics nowadays without throwing even more mud around. I haven’t followed Ms. Grimes enough to know where she stands, but I never did get a good feeling about her, and this article doesn’t help.
I definitely need to do my research, but it looks like Matt Bevin (R) might be the best, at least from a cursory check of his page and stance on issues…
I absolutely despise politics, but damned if the current crop of politicians and lobbyists aren’t forcing me to wade into the morass and do what [little] I can do to fix things. Doing away with the double-speak and backstabbing would help a whole helluva lot, though.
Good ole Mitch isn’t running for Senate reelection yet. He is going to have to make it thru a primary. As the figurehead of the RINOs in DC he deserves to get canned. The libtards think they can then win the seat with a pretty little thing the Harry Reid can control. 2014 is NOT going to be kind to RINOs and the Dems.
Something something Achilles heel. I’m sorry, but it’s late and all the good foot jokes have been taken.
We Will NEVER Forget.
Any chance Kentucky Gun Co. could throw a Kel-Tec their way for a shoot off? Just to make it unique and interesting?
I’d set the minimum at 500 rounds per gun (not per caliber). I mostly try to have >1k per caliber right now, except for shotgun shells (they’re just so damn bulky!). For .22LR, having >10k is not unreasonable.
Off the top of my head:
– 14k .22 LR
– 2k 9x19mm
– 1.5k 5.56/.223
– 1k .22 Short
– 1k .38 Spl
– 500 .357 Mag
– 500 7.62x54R
– 500 7.62×39
– 400 20ga
– 300 12ga
– 200 .32 ACP
Whatever your plan for that situation is, violence of action is key. The key thing to remember is some people who read TTAG are people whose lives depend on various forms of combatives. Some people are trained to handle multiple assailants. Nothing beats gun though, except dinosaur.
Find a 2″ diameter clear plastic tube (mine came from a free city-offered cable gun lock-ah, the irony!). Cut two 3/4″ strips long enough to fit from just inside the rifle end to just short of where the buffer tube ends when the stock is in your favorite position (that way you can’t look into the hole and see the ends). Scuff both sides of the strips with a green Scotchbrite pad for friction reduction and to give tooth to the 5 or so pea sized dots of JB Kwik you will place on the stock side of each strip. Using tweezers, carefully place the strips inside the stock tube just above the channel for the lock. Twist the remaining piece of the clear plastic tube tight, insert inside the stock without touching the strips so that the open end is facing up away from the strips, and release-the pressure will help the strips seat tightly against the stock. Check quickly and carefully that the strips are where you want them, adjust as necessary and let dry for at least an hour before reassembly as you don’t want glue squeezing out onto the buffer tube (which should be oiled anyway as a precaution to keep a possible mistake in setting time from becoming a permanent installation). If all went right, your stock will be a very tight fit on the buffer tube but you will still be able to move it in and out by grasping the grip in one hand and pulling/pushing hard on the stock’s buttpad. If something goes wrong, you can pry the strips up and pull them out. The JB Kwik can be scraped off the stock and strips with a flat bladed screwdriver and you can then start over. Worked for me and I love my CAR stock-I’m so used to the solid feel now that I’m always shocked when I pick up a carbine and hear it rattle!
But wait, wait, just wait… What about all the children in India dying from cholera?
Dude looks angry.
Who mistakes a super hot model girlfriend for a dangerous intruder? He shot her because they got in a fight and he is a maniac.
If he’s on the brink push him in the drink!
All I know is I don’t have enough. The photo included in this article shows more money in ammo alone than I have in total possessions in my house. I really need a better job.
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That’s unpossible!
I’ve only read a fraction of the comments. But, they eventually get repetitive.
I’m reminded of a George Carlin bit about drivers: “You ever notice that anyone going faster than you is an idiot, and anyone going slower than you is an asshole?”
It seems that anyone with more ammo than you is a _________ (circle one): prepper | hoarder | paranoid | asshole | scalper | Rambo | the-reason-for-all-our-problems.
And, anyone with less ammo than you is ____________ (circle one): unprepared | idiot | not-paranoid-enough
I also “dollar-cost-averaged” my ammo purchases over about 5 years leading up to the post-Sandy-Hook panic. I’ve bought very little ammo (almost none) since the panic. I don’t need any. I’ve got enough to last me a few years in some calibers (even .22LR). There are a couple of calibers that I’ve run low on (.45-ACP, for example).
But, I have to laugh at those that say the “shortage is over.” Bullcrap. Good ol’ 9-mm is still scarce except for the cheapo stuff, which ain’t so cheap anymore. I just looked at one of my favorite online sources. 9-mm FMJ Blazer and PMC crap is at $15 – $16 / box! That’s 50+% more than what it was pre-panic. 50%!!! That’s crazy. Before the panic, I could get that for under $10 / box.
When prices swing back to where they were (or lower)… and they will… THEN I would declare the “shortage” over. When I can get the “good stuff” for $10 – $11 / box, then I’ll rest easy. Until then, I’m not buying. Fortunately, I don’t have to. Your mileage may vary.
No, no, no, no. Ares Armor formerly hosted build parties for people with 80% lowers, however, not only did they NEVER walk anybody through each step or “clean up” any of the builds, they CEASED to host such parties as soon as they were made aware that the BATFE didn’t want anyone doing build parties anymore. Ares only ever provided customers access to tools, they might not have had at home. They’ve pointed out since the beginning that this was a process that customers had to do themselves, and only themselves. Dimitrios is a stand up guy and would never do anything that might lose us our rights. The only reason the ATF is harassing Ares is because the CA DOJ doesn’t like that 80%ers are something they can’t regulate. They have an issue with the jigless polymer ones being too easy to mill out, I can see that, but next they’re gonna come up with some bs about how the aluminum ones are illegal too.
I don’t see anything wrong with having build parties, or an instructor there to guide you, after all, there are several pc companies that have computer build seminars. I don’t even see anythingwrong with providing the equipment for you. Having you drill the minimum yourself and then paying them to clean it up, however, seems to me to be walking a very thin line. It doesn’t help their case to have a mexican national with a history doing it either. That should seem more than a little sketchy to anyone looking to make the purchase.
As far as I can see unless Ares was doing more than we know about, it doesn’t seem like they were doing anything wrong.
How would this be any different from any other SD situation where the threat surrenders? You shoot to stop the threat….not execute someone. Generally speaking once someone has thrown away their weapon, and prones out, they aren’t considered to be a reasonable threat to life or great bodily injury.
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I had a debate last week on Facebook about the dangers of cars vs. guns. I told my friends friend that homicides via guns account for roughly 9,000 deaths a year. Drunk driving fatalities are roughly 10,000 a year, reckless driving fatalities are roughly 10,000 a year, and driving distracted fatalities are about 3,000 per year. I then told him out of the 9,000 gun deaths that many were gang on gang and didn’t affect or reach the general public. I then told him that about 300 gun deaths a year are attributed to assault rifles. So the odds of being killed by a drunk or reckless driver as opposed to the guns CT is banning is about 80 times higher for the car! The only arguement he could conjure up was that guns were designed to kill people and cars were designed to transport people. I told him that millions of people go to the range every day and fire millions of rounds of ammunition while never killing anyone in the process, and that hundreds of thousands of people protect their family and their dwelling without ever firing a shot. I also told him the object (cars) while not designed to kill people, kill more people than guns when used recklessly and that those events are indiscriminant of who you know and where you live. While most gang shootings take place in bad places, drunk driving takes place EVERYWHERE there are innocent people which makes it even more dangerous.
I’m gonna leave warning shots to Mr and Mrs Biden. I might shout at a BG before shooting Something along the lines of “Stop or I’ll shoot!”, if circumstances permit, but any bullets I send will be directed at the miscreant.
I have some ammo , but you have to remember , you can save all you want , it only take’s one sneaky person to take you out with a pellet gun or a sling shot, and your ammo is now his ammo. so slow down with the stock piling , and enjoy what GOD give’s you like good health ,
My defensive ammo I like is hard to find so I get a lot of that in the event the round becomes scarce. But a lot for me right now is 1k rounds. Other than that my other non EDC’s I have anywhere from 200-500 rounds per caliber.
Most of you are underestimating your long term needs if ammo control becomes the norm. 1k rounds per caliber, per year, stocked up for as long as you think you are going to use that gun. That being said, stocking for my kids lifetime, that means somewhere between 100k to 1m total at this time (intentionally vague), replacing what is used.