American exceptionalism. It’s a thing, right? America is a constitutional democracy. Our foundational document is a laundry list of things the government can’t do (save the directive requiring the President to protect our borders).Yes, we have more guns — and more firearms related injury and death — than other “developed” countries (assuming Mexico isn’t developed). So what? So maybe we should be more like Germany?
That’s what Carl Nasman’s video above suggests. He reckons German gun control is effective! You Tube star Jorge Sprave agrees.
Which is a bit of a change from ye olde “the U.S. should have gun control like the UK.’s” (or Australia’s). I wonder why U.S. gun control advocates don’t point to Germany as a role model for U.S. gun control? Hmmm. Something to do with the Nazis perhaps?
Which begs the quesiton, do we have anything to learn from German gun laws?
“And we can’t cut up and get rid of guns any faster than the manufacturers make them”-Sculptor Jermey Thomas
Because (s)he can’t afford them. They’re called starving artists for a reason. I’m sure (s)he is appling for a grant to get more from their local constabulary’ “buy back” program. Surprised its featured piece wasn’t a Jennings JA25…..
No. Next question.
More seriously… There is no constitutional right to firearm ownership or self-defense in Germany. One fellow was literally restricted to harsh language as he watched a mass-shooting unfold across the street from his apartment. Gun owners dare not let themselves be known as such, and hunting/sport-shooting is the subject you don’t bring up in polite company. No thanks. Keep that $#!+. I’ll keep my civil rights, thank-you.
Let’s model our gun laws on a country with the strongest history of government oppression and genocide. Brilliant.
As the guy said, Germany does not think civilians should use guns for self defense. The government wants the right to oppress its people whenever it feels like it.
“Let’s model our gun laws on a country with the strongest history of government oppression and genocide.”
That would be China first (60M+), the USSR second (30M+), and Germany a poor third (10M).
Don’t fall into the trap of Nazis being the worst. Marxians murdered 10 times as many civilians. It astounds me how many self-declared Marxians teach at colleges, and how many are still murdering civilians around the world, while a single skinhead evokes Presidential horror and condemnation.
Well put. One is horrible, but the other is still a viable threat to our way of life.
I don’t think that Groucho, Harpo, Cheeko, Gummo, or Zeppo murdered NEARLY that many people. Oh, you’re thinking of MarxIST. . . That was Karl, Hermann, Edouard, and Mauritz. THEY were ‘Marxist.’ Not nearly as funny, either.
Frankly, MORE colleges should hire declared Marxians.
“I once shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he knew about Dialectical Materialism I’ll never know.”
Should the world be like Germany? Gas chambers, national socialism, two world wars, Merkel, Islamization…maybe not. Over to you.
Yeah…that whole, the nazis disarmed people then put them in gas chambers, sort of undercuts the Germany as a model for gun control argument. That is likely the reason the anti gunners don’t go there first and stick with Australia and Britain…of course, British gun crime is up 27%, again, and up 42% in London….and Australian gun control hasn’t stopped their increasing gun crime….
They should learn from us and tool up for the upcoming holy war Merkle hoisted on them.
What?
Those “peaceful immigrants” they invited inside their borders?
*snicker*
(Their women will get an education on multi-multiculturalism of the most *intimate* kind. A broken jaw and knocked-out teeth to go with their un-planned insemination.)
If Germany had U.S. style gun laws (2nd Amendment, etc) Jorge Sprave would be building homemade GUNS instead of slingshots.
First question to ask any “country” about its gun laws. “Do u believe an individual has the absolute right to self defense against individuals and the government”. If there is a pregnant pause….then no, no I don’t want your ideas or opinions on our laws.
I wouldn’t support any such move to be more like Germany but I would point out a few of things that the video brings up.
First, as Jorge Sprave points out: The government of Germany tells people they cannot use a gun for self defense. The idea is that it’s “government’s job” to do such things, not yours. This speaks to the gulf between the German and American philosophy of not just government but the relationship between citizens, government and the world in general. Like many European countries Germany places a lot more faith in the abilities of their government to prevent/respond than Americans do. Call it a “cultural thing” if you will.
Secondly (and somewhat related), Germany is a reasonably large country in European terms but it’s also only around 80 million people in terms of total population, less than 1/3rd that of the US. Those 80 million or so people live in about 135K square miles. The USA is something like 3.8 million square miles. So here in the USA we have something like 3.9 times the population living in an area 27 times larger. That’s going to, by necessity, create different circumstances and therefore different opinions.
Third, as usual, American gun laws are somewhat misrepresented/misunderstood here. One cannot “just walk into a store and buy a gun” in the USA. I’ve met a lot of Europeans, Australians and Kiwis who think this is the case but, as we all know, it is not.
I won’t bother to repeat a lot of what’s posted here on TTAG on a regular basis, but there are a few fairly simple ways to seriously reduce “gun violence”. They’re not PC though and cases such as suicide they may actually be pretty hard to implement which is why they’re not going to happen any time soon.
‘The idea is that it’s “government’s job” to do such things, not yours.’
And if the government fails to do that job it’s your duty to die.
The big difference to which you allude is that in Germany, it is the duty of the government to protect the people, in the U.S. the government has no duty–established in court cases all the way to the Supreme Court–to protect anyone. I was reminded of this while watching Blue Bloods last night, where the leader of a white racist group that had set up in a black neighborhood (purported;y to fight the black drug gangs) was telling Danny Reagan that the police had to protect them. It simply isn’t true. This was demonstrated yet again in the Rancho Tehama shooting this past week, where the response time is about 45 minutes on a typical day, and where it may take more than an hour to call in extra officers from neighboring counties to assist the very small sheriff’s department staff in the extreme circumstances that occurred. Here, we are on our own, often enough even in the big cities.
Cops don’t have the duty and really, so far as I can tell, generally don’t care too much about most stuff unless it gets them media recognition.
Example: Last night my neighbors threw a party. This morning I go outside and find that someone hit and ran my motorcycle and totaled it (Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it). Whoever it was hit the bike so hard that it was spun around and up on the sidewalk. So I called the cops to get a report that I can file with insurance. 3+ hours later I’m still waiting for a cop to show up to take the report. Oh, and I live in a small town so it’s not like they’re off investigating murders or something.
Nein!
Plus, we already took a lesson from Germany. It’s called the 1968 gun control act which was a carbon copy of the gun control law passed in 1935 by the Nazis.
Yes, our government and the NRA thought a Nazi gun control law would be a good idea and then they rammed it down our throats.
I’m f$&@! tired of emotional idiot freedom-hating Americans trying to make us be more like Europe.
Remember when art was about challenging human perception? About challenging the accepted norms of a culture with an entirely new way of expressing human emotions and the primordial ideas that make up the very core of what it is to be human? Impressionism, cubism, abstract art like Pollock, and the great religious painters who explored our deepest psychological foundations, they all were artists because they conveyed things we always knew but couldn’t say. Since the 60’s “art” has devolved into this hypercritical, navel-gazing ouroboros that serves only to portray only the same opinions endlessly parroted over and over. Is it any wonder no one listens to the “artist” class anymore? There’s more artistry, care, and meaning in a custom built pistol or rifle than in a hundred contrived, obvious, and frankly boring “commentaries” on the same tired issues.
In another thirty, no one will remember Pollock’s smeared feces either, except to mock them
“‘drums along the hudson,’ why?”
No, hell no, fuck no.
We wouldn’t be talking about gun control but for dindus and democrats. Dindus commit most of the crimes and shootings, and democrats are generally mentally deranged and commit the spectacular shootings.
A homogenous society of normal people not prone to violence or self-loathing is a safe society.
Symbolism, if nothing else! The government may only exercise the power given it by the people. The guns and Second Amendment in the peoples control symbolizes power. Some people would take guns away in order to prove the government is the supreme power. We must never let that happen!
Apples and Oranges Soy-Boy…
I like the painted derringer!
I paint guns with Cerakote and Duracoat
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I am in love with the burnt bronze color
Just follow the prep directions exactly
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No two exactly alike
Look on my website to get ideas, then
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Jeremy, thx for the great comparison! I’ve been trying to get ahold of Nord Arms as I can’t find they’re triggers anywhere. Looking for a 1 to 2 lb trigger for 600 yrd match shooting. Looked like that might fit the bill. Do you have a contact email for them? Also, any other triggers to consider that might be a good fit for long range slow fire matches with low pull weight?
Thx!
J
Germany has no freedom of speech and still applies a law that was written by Nazi’s which jails people for homeschooling. How about not!
Nope…how’s about we remove our nuclear protection from you krauts while we’re at it?!? You make me ashamed to be half German.????
The human right of self defense where forbidden by a tyrannical government is an insult to freedom. Some people are content to live under that kind of government, but those who love liberty will either seek a new home where freedom is valued, or attempt to change their government. As time goes by more Europeans will employ stealth followup to active self defense, but it will never be enough to stem the tide of the invading Islamic horde that they themselves invited.
I made it to 2:28 before the stupid hurt too much and I bailed.
It’s just the same tired, cherry-picked stats, graphics and arguments over and over…
As an added bonus this clip (see what I did there) had annoying audio effects as well.
To summarize the article…. ” See! They have all these laws and still own guns so how bad can it be and why don’t we just add some more laws.”
And I always answer that question with a question of my own…. Do you support voter ID laws? If not why not? If adding a few more laws on guns is ok why can’t we add a few laws on voting?
There is no other developed country that has an established gang culture like the US. Less you think I am just talking about today’s inner city street gangs, the American gang culture dates back to the pre Civil War era. Our entenched gang culture is responsible for most of our violent crime and it makes any kind of prohibition a non starter. If we adopted Getmany’s gun laws we would end up looking more like Mexico than Germany. We can have no honest discussion of violent crime and guns until we admit that we have an historical gang culture which underpins America’s higher rate of murder and violent crime.
Are you sure about that established gang thing? I believe the Germanic tribes that whipped Rome were gangs.
Those were tribes, not criminal gangs.
Drum roll please!
Rifle sized micro red dot “scope”. Think aimpoint micro.
WOW! This would be the perfect pillow to have a hidden compartment for stashing your favorite home defense sawed off semi-automatic assault bump stock derringer. With duck feather silencer. Or Horse Feathers!
See?
An honest, straightforward pocket dump with no attempt at impressing us.
Well done. ????
“TTAG has a full review of this little guy in the works now, so stay tuned.”
So, we can expect to see that review in *5* years, since I would hope a “full review” would test that claim of a “50,000 hour battery life”…? 😉
Anti gun libtard trolls are out in force.
Looks like Dan ruffled some feathers.
Wonder how much Shannon, Daddy Bloomberg, and George Soros are paying these twats to be idiots.
I really like the vortex Sparc series Dots. I love Aimpoint, but $750+ for a red dot is mighty steep for my layaway-type budgets. Same thing for Acogs and the like. I’ve never purchased or used any other brands, so I’m curious to perhaps try this one. I’ll wait for their Black Friday specials and see if it comes down in price further.
If the Aimpoint T1/H1/T2 series we’re perhaps sub $450, I’d be much more prone to buying one.
I had to wait it out one night after finishing some conservation work: the only way out of where I was was a causeway with a narrow road. As I got about a quarter of the way down to the paved highway, a half dozen elk came across the road ahead of me and just stopped. Over the next minute more joined them. When I decided backing up and taking the lower causeway road, the first look in the mirror told me I wasn’t doing that, either — for some reason the local elk herd of about two dozen had decided this was the place to be, and they weren’t moving.
Fortunately, I had my Nook along, so the twenty minutes until they traveled on wasn’t too bad.
Jorge wtf man I’m kinda interested in what he has to say about this video now
Malcolm Young, (brother of Angus Young) , co-writer of their songs, of AC/DC fame dead today at age 64.
Saw ’em in a stadium in the late 80’s, they *rocked*!
Keeping with the TTAG ‘Guns’ theme, here is their ‘Big Gun’ :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsXJitaiVo
Why can’t I get the Abby Scuito ad by risingstarnewspaper off my screen? I hit that X over and over, still taking up half my screen.
Now I remember why I return to this site so rarely anymore.
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I’m going with Wyatt’s advice:
“In a gun fight… You need to take your time in a hurry”
“Fast is fine but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry.”
…Wyatt Earp
I suspect, barring the Zombie Apocalypse, or similar, that most training beyond good marksmanship and accurate point & shoot training, will be a waste of time and money for the average civilian.
Most likely civilian gunfights are going to be at very intimate distances.
Any shooting beyond that is going to get you in trouble with the authorities and may also risk injuring bystanders.
I seriously doubt most shooters will have time to “get off the X,” or do much of anything else besides deciding to shoot and shooting.
How much combat training will you need for that?
Better to train yourself to avoid stupid places and people.
Unlike Wyatt, don’t drink, or drink minimally when out and about.
Avoid places where drug use, excessive drinking, and large crowds are present.
Harden your home so it will be difficult to be surprised by home invaders.
(Security storm doors which cannot be kicked in, are a good start.)
If you live in a sketchy area, make plans to move.
If driving to an unfamiliar city, do not rely on your GPS to keep you out of
‘bad’ neighborhoods – Check the online crime maps for yourself.
Again:
“In a gun fight… You need to take your time in a hurry”
“Fast is fine but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry”
. …Wyatt Earp
Founding fathers were white, male, property owners. The notion of giving the vote to ignorant people was directly in contrast with the founding ideals of intelligent discourse through the democratic process. Consequently a constitutional republic was created, eliminating the notion ignorant “masses” would destroy the process.
Ignorance is not the reason for the restrictions upon voting. Governments, at their most basic, are just a group of people agreeing to contribute a portion of their resources into a common pool for a certain, agreed upon, common good. Voting is the way to decide how those resources are used. Why would anyone allow someone who did not contribute, and was not even a part of that pool, a voice in deciding how to use those resources?
Yes, I love my guns and my freedom more than I love her children. I feel pity for her children. Maybe even a little sorrow.
But love?
Gotta love articles where the whole premise is based on a false equivalency. I guess this passes as “hard-hitting” journalism in some circles.
Honest question here. Why in the blue cotton-tailed blue berry flavored fuck do the folks trying to turn this nation into Soviet Russia circa 1969 constantly try to use our founding fathers as a lynch pin in their arguments?
Seriously shouldn’t they be spouting off about how wrong they were when they thought up this form of government and going on with their guilt trip from there?
I miss the good old days, when men were men and drooling idiots were either institutionalized or kept locked away in the attic.
There’s also an Olympic gold medalist on the team—Ginny Thrasher.
A buddy of mine just got back from Namibia. Was called upon to dispatch a problem elephant. He did so with a .470 nitro to the brain.
Problem animal tags issued by the local governments are really cheap.
Unfortunately for Larry, he couldn’t bring any parts back.
He was also asked to take out two leopards.
The lucky guy was busy for 5 weeks down there. I knew I shoulda went! Grumble, grumble.
I am only concerned about two events, both happening in the dark:
(1) mountain lion attack
(2) hyper-aggressive buck in rut deciding to gore me
The problem with a mountain lion is their stealth, jumping ability, speed, and claws. My woods-defense “hand cannon” (.44 Magnum revolver) is useless if my first sign of a mountain lion attack is the animal’s impact on my body.
The problem with a deer is you could probably hear them when they were still 50 feet away but you would not see them and they could be skewering you before you have a change to identify what it is.
As for my claim about a deer: I was walking in near total darkness to my tree stand when a deer suddenly bolted. It was so close that I could feel the impact of their hooves on the ground through my feet! Had that buck (and it had to be a BIG HEAVY buck for me to feel the impact of its hooves) run into me it would have been all over for me. That event has me seriously considering walking with a BRIGHT MagLite in hand — and turned on — to and from my hunting locations in total darkness.
Give up this fascination for striker fired plastic frame junk and get a .45 CZ or a metal frame SIG. If you want something really impressive get a Sig Hammerli P240. If you are buying a handgun for self defense isn’t your life worth more then $500?
I would be interested in the big bore edition of the XD-E with a simple decock only function. A decock only system would simplify the manual of arms to better befit the primary concealment roll of this handgun.
I also truly wish those who would throw Springfield Armory and Rock River under the bus, would take time to check out the facts first.
Not Even Fake News – Salon, and its cooption and abuse of First Amendment Rights, is an ugly extension of POS communism, and should be treated like an enemy within.
Stevens Clone of a Winchester 1300 is under $200, but it’s maid in China.
We sell a lot of the Mossberg 88’s where I work.