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According to Kel-Tec the US Corrections-Special Operations Group (US C-SOG) is a “full time corrections special operations government contractor with a solid reputation built on 20 years of dependable experience in the field. US C-SOG offers the latest, most technologically advanced training techniques available partnered with an understanding of the complex challenges and issues of the corrections industry.” In other words, they like them! They really like them! Enough to support their training with their KSG shotguns. And despite TTAG’s reservations with the 15-round scattergun . . .
The US C-SOG has implemented the Kel-Tec KSG in current training programs with great results. In addition, the KSG has already been used in real world Corrections Special Operations mission situations with great success. Consequently, the KSG is quickly becoming the fastest adopted weapon in the US for corrections facilities.
I wonder if they’re loading lethal or non-lethal rounds or—and this makes me nervous—lethal rounds in one tube and non-lethal in the other. Still, anyone considering buying a KSG should be reassured by the company’s commitment to arming the nation’s jailers.
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I like the idea of being able to switch from lethal to LTL rounds on the fly for taking care of prison stuff, but the possiblity of forgetting what type of round is in what tube…could screw things up bad…
Maybe Kel-Tec can make different color tubes. Have one tube yellow for dedicated non-lethal and the other tube stays as black. Might help, but still depends on the user remembering which tube he chose. Also, anyone notice around the 0:48 mark? What was all that about?
I only made it 20 seconds in, I was afraid bag-pipes would start sounding, squealing, skirling, whatever
Yeah we had an issue recently in Portland but that had to do with the shells used. They had a drunk guy that was running thru a park and wasn’t obeying. The cop grabbed his shotgun and the “beanbag round” and shot the guy.
Unfortunately the guy was color blind or in the heat of the moment got the colors confused. Either way the drunk guy got to meet Mr. Buckshot and then Mr. Injury Lawyer.
There was no “Heat of the Moment” issue.
Portland Police issue less-than-lethal marked shotguns with day glow orange butt-stocks and special SureFire forend lights. They are *never* to be loaded with (or even near) the 870s carrying lethal rounds. IIRC, officers can’t even carry both in their patrol vehicles at the same time.
PPB Officer Reister loaded the LtL shotgun at the beginning of his shift. While he might have been hurried to get on duty, we aren’t talking the kind of time constraints that make such a mistake forgivable.
Doesn’t help that Reister is a confirmed dickbag. There is a lovely YouTube video of him lightly bullying a homeless guy and than ticketing the (uninvolved) citizen who filmed it.
I have yet to hear of anyone issuing the KSG. Everyone who discusses it has noted that the idea of loading it with LtL and Lethal ammo is a terrible idea. I don’t even think a podunk PD is dumb enough to try that stunt.
It could be an interesting concept if some sort of definitive safety device was implemented that forced an officer to really think before making the switch between LtL and lethal, but that has not been implemented yet.
How’s this for an idea for less-lethal shot guns: make them 10GA. 2 upsides, larger space for the bean bag and won’t chamber/fire a 12GA round, and only increased recoil, which can be mitigated with reduced loads, as a downside. Just a thought, not sure if it’s financially feasible.
As long as they keep them in the prisons and don’t start to do outside work.
The racist scum ought to use them for suicide.
I will own one…
motojb, are they legal in ca? i like shotguns and i like the concept of this one. great house gun for an ofwg if it works.
I’m supposed to be impressed by tactical pajamas, flashing lights and private security guards who call themselves ‘special forces operators’?
I’m not.
Special SOG Operators
US Corrections Special Operations Group? Really? I had no idea.
They’re not as impressive as the US Corrections SFOD-D, though.
Exactly what “war” are these “warriors” fighting? The war on dropped soap?
Still, very cool weapon and it’s nice to see it takes a beating.
So… now there is a private prison riot control company running around calling themselves special forces? So these guys are doing transports over the interstate with snipers in helicopters? I think we are getting to a point where things could sharply go down hill. Militarization, and the inherant privitization that goes with it, is getting out of control. We are partially supporting it because we inadvertantly support the homogenization of civilian and “military style” weaponry. In many cases, we are the product test bed and financiers for all of this new development.
Nobody is forcing you to buy one so your point is pointless.
Her’s your broken pencil award
Hum…the group formally known as “Blackwater” prison edition. The concern I have for for-profit security firms with this much power is it only takes a few greedy seeds to end up like Mexico. Security companies working to only make money with no loyalties to the US. Rich drug cartel hires them. We are in trouble.
A private contractor calling themselves “special operations” for the government? How come I feel like I’m living in Season 2 of “Jericho“?
In “Five Ways Privatization Degrades America“, the author notes that
What a hilarious load of hogwash. Go send a package via USPS. Then send one via FedEx. Guess which one gets there first, in one piece. Then go buy a car, and renew your driver’s license. Guess which one takes less time.
Privatized services are structured for profit, as well as cost in areas they need to be competitive, which is just about all of them. As such, they are generally better managed, staffed, and equipped than any public counterpart. From building roads to, yes, running prisons, they generally work better when run by private companies.
The concept that the eeeeevil corporations in their corporation-type buildings are just twirling their moustaches looking for ways to toss people in prison is laughable. Criminals generally do that all on their own, which is why we have overcrowding in many prison systems and revolving-door justice travesties as a result.
While these idiots are certainly punching above their weight while chugging the tacticool koolaid, it’s pretty far removed from some reverse-orwellian progressive jibberish.
> The concept that the eeeeevil corporations in their corporation-type
> buildings are just twirling their moustaches looking for ways to toss
> people in prison is laughable.
The “Kids for cash” scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts in order to ensure that the detention centers would be utilized….
…On February 18, 2011, following a trial, a federal jury convicted Ciavarella on 12 of the 39 counts he faced including racketeering, a crime in which prosecutors said the former judge used children “as pawns to enrich himself.” In convicting Ciavarella of racketeering, the jury agreed with prosecutors that he and another corrupt judge had taken an illegal payment of nearly $1 million from a juvenile detention center’s builder and then hidden the money….
…On August 11, 2011, Ciavarella was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison as a result of his conviction. He is currently being held at the Federal Correctional Institution, Pekin, a federal prison in Illinois which holds minimum and medium security inmates, and is scheduled for release in 2035.
On September 23, 2011, Conahan was sentenced to 17-and-a-half years in federal prison as a result of his pleading guilty to one count of racketeering conspiracy. He is currently being held at a minimum security facility at the Federal Correctional Complex, Coleman in Florida and is scheduled for release in 2026….
…Robert Mericle’s sentencing in connection with his pleading guilty to failing to report a felony has been delayed pending his testimony in the bribery trial of former Pennsylvania State Senator Raphael Musto, which is scheduled for June. Mericle faces up to three years in prison, although he is likely to receive 12 to 18 months under United States Federal Sentencing Guidelines.
> What a hilarious load of hogwash.
> The concept that the eeeeevil corporations
> in their corporation-type buildings
> are just twirling their moustaches
> looking for ways to toss people in prison is laughable.
The “Kids for cash” scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts in order to ensure that the detention centers would be utilized….
…On August 11, 2011, Ciavarella was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison as a result of his conviction. He is currently being held at the Federal Correctional Institution, Pekin, a federal prison in Illinois which holds minimum and medium security inmates, and is scheduled for release in 2035.
On September 23, 2011, Conahan was sentenced to 17-and-a-half years in federal prison as a result of his pleading guilty to one count of racketeering conspiracy.He is currently being held at a minimum security facility at the Federal Correctional Complex, Coleman in Florida and is scheduled for release in 2026…
..Robert Mericle’s sentencing in connection with his pleading guilty to failing to report a felony has been delayed pending his testimony in the bribery trial of former Pennsylvania State Senator Raphael Musto, which is scheduled for June. Mericle faces up to three years in prison, although he is likely to receive 12 to 18 months under United States Federal Sentencing Guidelines.
Nice copy/paste argument you’ve got there. Consider me unconvinced.
> Nice copy/paste argument you’ve got there.
> Consider me unconvinced.
Obviously you’re as immune to facts as your typical anti-gunner or global-warming-alarmist.
That sure explains why the TSA is such a roaring success
I’d be pretty pissed if I were at this test and I saw a shotgun tumbling end over end away from me. (~2:28)
These guys get paid to play soldier with hardly armed inmates? Not impressed…
I’d like to see the “stress test” with a bunch of other weapons.
For all the detractors of the KSG, from the previous article, simply because it is a Kel-Tec. Time so far has shown that these are still very popular, they are presently being bid up to $1,200 on gun broker ($880 MSRP).
WTF was this all about? Is this for real? Where did they get the music for this “video”? Talk about over the top. US C SOG? ROTFLOL is more like it. Does the actial BOP need this “service”? And WTF is a “High Value Prisoner Transport” anyway? Is that something they saw in ConAir or something? I see they’ve trademarked it so they have that going for them, at least. What exactly is the purpose behind the black helicopters patroling the highway and the oversized black Tacticool vehicles with brushguards? I am personally scarred poopless by these (mostly) overweight, shaved head, Oakley wearing wannabes. Not. Who are they blasting the sh1t out of with those 15 round KSG’s? Do they expect the inmates to turn into zombies? I don’t see the benefit of these in a corrections application over an 870. Oh wait, I do, the Police Magnum 870 is $400 and the KSG is $1000. Higher level of equipment allows for higher billing to the USG.
You guys have no idea what this company is, you keep calling them “private prison guards” and “jailers”. If you read their description or research their website you will see they are a “Corrections Special Operations” training firm. They train Special Response and SWAT teams to handle Hostage Situations inside Prisons, Courthouses, Detention centers etc. Basically they specialize in Reenforced Structure Entry.
High Risk Inmate Transport: The delivery of a prisoner from one location to another with a high risk of escape or attack from outside forces; Terrorists, Cartel/Gang members, High Value Witness’s etc.
These guys aren’t training “Guards” to be soldiers, they are training law enforcement to be able to deal with situations that may arise in a Correctional Environment.
Why can’t anybody just chill out Instead tearing apart everybody with a job you think might be cooler than yours.
I agree with Josh. This isn’t meant to be a replacement for the corrections system. Its another way to deal with issues and problems in the corrections system such as riots and hostage situations. Corrections is an extremely dangerous job. Correction officers are surrounded by the people the police arrest. Just as a SWAT team is trained to handle situations other police officers aren’t, this is training for the special/emergency response teams in the corrections system. Not a replacement, an enhancement.
To say “hardly armed inmate” makes no sense. Tell that to someone that has had a homemade knife made out of a pen and blades from a razor to their neck. Or how about the female corrections officer that is raped repeatedly after being beaten by a padlock placed inside a sock.
As a correction officer myself, I say to anyone come and spend the day with one of us. Walk with us as we go into a facility filled is rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and all other filth of humanity. Tell me how safe you feel. Tell me what goes through your mind knowing that any second could be your last. This isn’t a movie. There isn’t anything fabulous about what we do. We don’t expect to get rich from our jobs. But we do get satisfaction knowing our family and friends are a little bit safer without those we watch over roaming the streets.
Any type of training or different ways of dealing with what we have been trained to do, and actually works, is greatly welcomed. Blindly criticizing without taking a moment to read and research makes no sense.
As far as the KSG goes, I think it is an awesome shotgun. I have personally had the opportunity to handle the KSG and I must say it is amazing. Light weight and perfectly balanced. The option to switch between magazine tube on the fly is a great idea. There is really no need to color code the magazine tubes. Just remember which round you loaded into each, either the left or right magazine tube. The selector switch is easily visible, it takes a second to twist the KSG and look down and see which magazine tube has been selected and then return your attention to your targets/threats.
How about #4 rabbit in tube one, and 00 Buck in tube two? I use a shotgun on my farm, and the #4 is for dogs running my cows in close proximity. The 00 Buck is used itf they are more than 20 yards behind .. gets ,costly to buckshot a cow, but even more costly to loose a cow or a calf to Coyotes. At close range #4 will kill if used for self defense. The KSG is sort of the multi purpose farmers friend to me. Takes a bit of practice to unload her fast, but how often will I really need that many shots for the same incident? NOT OFTEN.
Great shotgun.
wow!!! I saw the video. I have never seen so many wannabes in my life. Those losers were dressed as if they were going to war. Insane that such psychopaths have jobs.