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Some people long for the thing they dread. They get tired of waiting for it to occur. I’m not saying that hard-core preppers yearn for ye olde S to HTF. Well, maybe not to the point where they’d make it happen—although someone should discuss that with James Patterson. Anyway, raises the prospect of a post-election riot and offers some timely advice. “Armed protection against a mob is much more effective if you have a group of defenders. A single person, or small family group, doesn’t stand much chance against a mob, even if armed. Remember, they may be armed as well, and as we saw in the Rodney King Riots, they may be perfectly willing to use their weapons. And, nothing much will protect you against a fire spreading.” Ultimately, it all comes down to . . . money. “Make sure your insurance is in good shape (check that it covers a riot) and get the hell out of there [riot prone areas] ahead of time with any irreplaceable belongings and records.” Roger that.

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  1. Great photo! Gotta love the acid washed jeans of the 90’s. Throw a jean jacket over that denim shirt and the dude on the left is good to go.

    • I think we all know the difference with this election. I also suspect the non-rioting type of folks are not in the mood for the rioting folks. So good luck with that rioting thing.

    • Yea…….well you see, the group that is normally the source of all riots in the US is convinced that the only reason anyone disagrees with their Chosen one is because they are racist against that group. Can you not understand why people are concerned that said group will go batshit crazy if their Messiah loses?

      Also, if he loses and Zimmerman goes free, we’ll pretty much have a year long riot – because they’ve spent decades convincing themselves that they are always right and that the only reason that they ever come out on the losing side is because of bigotry.

        • pat,
          Well, THIS gun-owning, 2A-rights-supporting liberal begs to differ with you. There are racists in every social and ethnic group — but of the two major political parties in the US, there’s one that isn’t just known for tolerating racists, it’s also known for hating on folks who don’t subscribe to their married/Christian/heterosexual Archie Bunker value system.

          Hint: it’s not the Democrats. And don’t bother spewing any crap about the character of the parties pre-civil-rights-era — I’m talking about the modern GOP.

          Also: “libtards”? Seriously? What are you, 12 years old?

        • Well put. I love conservatives that pretend everything about liberals (and to be clear, I am not one) is and always has been wrong and everything about the GOP is and always has been right.

  2. The mob stayed well away from certain parts of LA during the Rodney King riots. Those parts were where the Korean shops were prevalent, and their owners and families of the owners patrolled the rooftops with AK-47s and other weapons. Didn’t even have to replace a window.

  3. Great picture… it’s a great testament to the Korean American community that they stood up for themselves and didn’t stand by and get victimized. Many of those shops that were protected are still open in LA today.

    I would like to think that if anything crazy DID happen, we’d stand with our fellow citizens to protect each other’s lives and property. I’m lucky to have some awesome neighbors in my neighborhood watch, including a gentle giant who was a Marine in Vietnam. My kids love going over to the house for cookies and toy cars.

    Personally, I don’t think any riots will happen after November 6th. Now rioting after the Super Bowl? Much more likely, depending on the cities involved. Ha!

  4. From people who lived and survived the riots:


    [Kee Whan Ha] said, “You keep telling people to flee, to go home, but how can we leave Koreatown? We came to this country and we worked like crazy and we made this town, our town. But if we leave, they’re going to burn it down. Don’t we have to protect our town? Can’t you say that on the radio?” And he offered to show us around so we could see what was going on. I couldn’t leave because I had to stay on the air, but Jang-hee Lee went out with Ha. And Lee came back and told Ha, “You’re right.”


    So I went on radio, and I said, “Don’t go home. Protect your business. Your business is your life. All your rifles. All your weapons, bring everything out.”


    I wondered legally how this would work out. Could we, while protecting our town, if something bad happens, could we have some liability? [Our lawyer] said, “You have a right and a duty to protect your property. In America, that’s why you have the right to bear arms.” So from 4/30, around 10 a.m., the message on the radio became: We have to protect our town.

    Member of Korean American Young Adult Team

    I was listening to Radio Korea, and I heard announcements that people were gathering at Wilshire Tower Hotel to protect the stores. People began forming teams. There wasn’t a specific organizer, it just happened. We called ourselves the “Korean American Young Adult Team.” We were divided up into teams of 10, and we kept in touch through cell phones.

    Member of Korean American Young Adult Team

    What got me mad when I was watching the news, it was live on TV, and the white newscaster was saying, “Look at these Koreans. What are they doing? How could they do such a thing?” I was like, what are you talking about? They’re defending their stores. The cops were just watching. That’s when I felt I needed to go in there and help out.

    College student, member of Korean American Young Adult Team

    Radio Korea was the lifeline for people in the community. People could call Radio Korea if they felt like they were in danger. Calling 911 wasn’t going to do anything. Radio Korea would put it on the airwaves: “A beauty salon on Beverly and Vermont, the windows are getting smashed in … is there anybody that can help?” We’d drive there as fast as we can.

    • “the white newscaster was saying, “Look at these Koreans. What are they doing? How could they do such a thing?…The cops were just watching…Radio Korea was the lifeline for people in the community. People could call Radio Korea if they felt like they were in danger”

      Great comments. Thanks. The Koreans did a great job and obviously have a more realistic insight about danger and defense. I wish my fellow American Jews had their attitude.

    • Nice one G, pun intended lol
      You see, when there is a threat, people work together. No one was shot, their shops saved, and they were a community! Like they said there was no official order, the cops backed off since they had enough crap to deal with. No one arrested, no one hurt, no one even detained.

      They used radio! This is old school but it works, and worked well. They protected what they worked so hard to build here in America.

      I hate to say this but they are more American because of their actions than most of the rest of this country, or at least California for sure…
      It takes a village to do something and they proved that loud and clear.

  5. The only riots my town is likely to see is if the local Honey Dew coffee shop runs out of pumpkin spice donuts or Walmart has a 50%-off sale on iPads.

  6. I think the possibility of significant post election rioting is somewhere near zero. Urban rioting is generally gang driven and I don’t see inner city gangs tearing up the neighborhoods — it will interfere with drug profits. What ever rioting might happen will occur in college towns and other locations where the occupy movements have a base. They will be easily contained and won’t have much support.

    • What if the first president that’s not an old white guy loses by 500 votes in a district where the ballot is confusing and the chads are hanging?

    • Not real familiar with riots are you? Well I went through Watts in 1965 and the Rodney King Riot in 92′. Let me tell you that we Californians today are very well armed. It will be the MUY of the inner cities that cut loose exacerbated by the gangs. There will be gun fire, fires, looting, and murder. Depending on the crowd size the Police may run like they did during the RK riots. As for dealing with mobs…a few well placed rounds will disperse a mob pretty quickly!

      • I am pretty familar with urban riots. The RK riots were gang driven. The gangs spread disorder and everybodyso inclined followed their lead. Today’s gang leaders aren’t going start riot over the loss by a guy who is only genectically half East African. Way too much lost drug revenue. Do you really think that the leaders of Black “P” Stone nation give a f**k that Obama is President? The Latin Kings sure don’t. Those who have never been convicted of a felony will probably vote for Romney out of spite.:

        G: That isn’t going to happen in a the ‘hood. It will happen in a non-black neighborhood. You think the potential inner city rioters are glued to the TV?

        • just like they did in RK, they spread all over the city…Beverly Hills Long Beach, the Miracle Mile…etc. Won’t be pretty. Good time for the Latino gangs to hit the black gangs and so forth1

  7. Seller of survival gear: Stock up now on my website from 1994 before doomsday [US election] hits! Let’s just get this out of the way – yes, most of my merchandise was ripped from the hands of dead preppers.

    Seems legit.

  8. Just pointing out a simple fact for friends in less than friendly gun states: know your waiting periods. People in Cali got caught last time around b/c of them

  9. Two scenarios:

    If the lefties lose the election, it’s likely that agitators will attempt to create riots in urban areas as an act of protest.

    If the righties lose the election, it’s likely that officials widely believed to be abusing the power of public office may find themselves under fire from disgruntled citizens.

    The best disinfectant for the corruption is sunlight. If “We the People” can recruit honest and trustworthy public servants, respect for the rule of law can be restored. I’d like to see a Uniform Code of Military Justice for office holders that allows them no financial privacy whatsoever. Maybe that could help keep them honest.

  10. I was thinking it was idiotic to even contemplate a post-election riot, until I realized that I live in a small, peaceful college town — the last place you’d expect it — where students rioted over nothing more than a college-hill beer ban.

    Police showed up to bust a big rowdy party, and things veered from an ordinary party night to a full-blown riot in minutes. Hundreds of teenagers running around setting things on fire, fighting with each other and everybody else, and breaking everything in sight. Nobody died, and there wasn’t a single solitary gunshot, but every single police officer that responded got injured and there was a lot of property damage. Took the university 20 years to live that down (and here I am bringing it up again).

    The prepper crowd is more paranoid than truly prepared, I think…but you just never know.

    On the other hand, there’s the fact that it wasn’t caused by anything remotely like a presidential election. Whatever riots we see (whenever we do see them), they’re going to be over something a lot smaller and more emotional than a mere presidential election.

  11. I call bullshit. One man can stand against many, if propperley armed, situated, and trained.

    Even though I live in the middle of nowhere, I seriously doubt rioters would hang around. If they present a lethal threat, I have an FN-FAL with several drums of .308 on tap.

    • Less so than the CEOs who have been threatening their workforce with the loss of employment should Obama win reelection. Or the folks on the far right who advocate armed overthrow of the government, or assassination of public figures, should the election results not be to their liking.

      Frankly, I’ve heard much more credible threats of harm from the right than from the left in this election and the several preceding.

      • There have been threats from both sides.
        We have already seen many companies start to cut hours off of employees to stay out of the reach of Obama care, my wife had her hours slashed by almost 20%. Some states want nothing to do with Obama Care either and won’t participate.
        We are seeing a soft tyranny right now under this administration. This is actually admitted by Obama. He said if he can’t get congress to go along with his ideas he will find another way. He has, and since that bypasses the congress and the checks and balances there in, it is considered a soft tyranny. It isn’t gestapo in the streets, and such, but given the definition it fits. Once we see the wide spread use of military or police to enforce policy or align the citizens, then it becomes a hard tyranny.
        Now based on the Constitution one can make a legitimate case at that point for armed overthrow of the government. I am not advocating this of course, but based on history and constitutional law, there is certainly a case for it.
        Now there were some high trending tweets regarding threats to Romney’s life, I and sure there have been plenty to Obama as well.
        This is a serious election which will fundamentally define the course of this nation. Regardless of the side of the isle you are on, the directions defined by the two candidates are almost polar opposites.

  12. I was involved in a bit of civil unrest in another country some time back. I will say this about looting and smashing things: it is really fun. I knew it was wrong, but it felt so good… I was free for the only time in my life. Not proud of myself, but its the truth.

  13. My prediction is there will be no riots, but rest assured in two weeks and one day half of voters will breathe a collective asteroidjustpassedearthbyaninch sized sigh of relief while the other half will cry foul, make accusations of fraud and say things like “well, the world’s going to end in December anyway.” Here’s a reality check for you: these guys are mostly the same person, who wins doesn’t matter, and if the Mayans were so smart they wouldn’t be fucking dead.
    There has never been an election that mattered less, and never been a better time to vote third party. Also, horror remakes almost never work out, so try and set low expectations for the Carrie remake no matter how decent the trailer makes it look.

  14. Let people rioting try to come to my place and find out what happens. If they get past me, my wife may be a better shot with her bows than I am with a firearm.

  15. I’m surprised nobody has commented on Mr. Getting Ready For A Negligent Discharge (left) and Mr. Not Sure How To Manage The Trigger But Dammit I’ve Got A Gun Too (right).

    That said, I strongly approve of their use of a diesel/petrol powered forklift for cover & concealment. Lots of heavy iron and solid structure there. Conversely taking cover behind a propane powered forklift, with a nice big LPG cylinder on the rear deck, is not recommended for those who want to avoid being incinerated.

    • Though to be fair the guy on the left looks like he’s got a DA/SA pistol with the hammer down. I still wouldn’t want to be standing in front of him if he stood up, since your hands instinctively clench held objects more tightly when transitioning between postures.

    • Notice the hat on the seat of the forklift. It doesn’t look like a forklift drivers hat. It looks more like a uniform hat of some type. Security, maybe?

        • Nice catch — didn’t notice that when I read the article on my iPad at lunch due to the smaller screen. It is odd.


    • Just FYI most of the Korean guys carrying guns in the RK ropts were ROK army veterans. They even had a fly squad of ex ROK rangers and marines to come to the aid of distressed members of their community. Anybody who has done time in Korea knows you don’t mess with the ROKs.

      • the koreans are generally academically educated, ambitious, aggressive, and not afraid to pull the trigger. Not exactly good people to steal from or loot their small business.

        • I’ve done a lot of business in Korea, and trained with more than a few Koreans as partners & instructors in martial arts. Their culture is big on mental toughness, especially among the guys, and their martial artists can more than hold their own. I have certainly gotten my share of bruises to attest to that.

          Personally, I think a lot of that cultural attitude comes from having a hereditary military dictatorship with nuclear weapons a stone’s throw from your capitol. That, and the constant risk of bad kimchi. And odd-to-American-eyes ideas about how to manage one’s health. I should stop there.

        • During Operation Paul Bunyan, on the DMZ (from Wikipedia):
          Several of the Korean special forces men also had Claymore mines strapped to their chests with the firing mechanism in their hands, and were shouting at the North Koreans to cross the bridge

    • Mr. GRFAND (left) and Mr. NSHTMTTBDIGAGT (right) both served in the Korean Army for two years, and this was back in the bad old days when being a ROK conscript was worse than being in prison.

      So…I’d say they probably don’t need any advice from forum alpha-geeks about gun handling.

  16. Presuming of course it is LPG (a rather safe bet, but I don’t see the tank). Honestly I’d be more concerned were it gasoline powered. Short of a high-powered rifle w/ an incendiary round, LPG cyls just leak gas if (big if) actually penetrated with a conventional round. You wouldn’t want an open ignition source very nearby, otherwise disconcerting but innocuous.

    They aren’t going to win any safe-handling awards from the looks of the pic, though I remember seeing much worse handling by LAPD during the ’92 riots. At least the guy on the right is completely out of the trigger.

    • I give those two Korean dudes a lot more respect for standing up to evil nonsense in the middle of the battlefield than to keyboard ninjas sniping about trigger finger placement 20 years later.

      • No disrespect to their actions was intended. They set a great example for how and why the 2nd Amendment is still important in today’s society.

        That said, criticism of Rule 4 violations is always valid. Especially if it’s funny. I’d rather get lasered by the muzzle of a gun that’s on safe with no finger near the trigger, than have someone point a gun anywhere near my sector with a finger on the trigger.

  17. Imma stock up. I live in Cleveland. Many here have openly said they will riot if Obama doesn’t get back in. Some of them are folks who are part of local churches choirs and leadership (no joke) but they insist that they will ‘burn the place down’ if Daddy don’t get back in. No sarcasm or joking intended. This is what we hear everyday.

    Many folk think it not a possibility but the minds of those they think will not riot are not so well versed in sensible actions.

    In any event, I and mine will be ready.


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