We’ve received the above copy of an email sent to an OpticsPlanet customer. It informs the aspiring magazine buyer that the company will no longer sell ammunition magazines with greater than a 10-round capacity to the general public. We called OpticsPlanet . . .
and confirmed this new policy with a customer service rep.
An earlier version of this post suggested that the change in policy may have been related to the Parkland, Florida spree killing. The company has released an official statement denying that connection, laying the blame for the policy change at the doorstep of this law in Cook County, Illinois.
Here’s OpticsPlanet’s official statement:
When there’s smoke, there’s often fire. But sometimes – smoke is just smoke.
We fully understand how the email featured in the article on The Truth About Guns suggests that we may have made a decision to limit the sales of magazines over 10 rounds due to the recent tragedy in Parkland, Florida. Before we go any further, we want to make it clear that our condolences go to the families of all of the victims, and that our hearts go out to a community trying to recover after a senseless event.
At OpticsPlanet, we have never used the inflamed tensions and emotions of current events to drive decision making. Our support of the 2nd amendment is made undeniably clear by the products we offer. We are one of the few online retailers who never stopped offering completely legal products such as bump stocks or binary triggers, when many did. We do not raise prices during frenzies. We do, however, follow the laws and make adjustments when legally required.
In this case, insufficient internal communication led to a misread message. We are not offering magazines with capacities greater than 10 rounds to the general public due to our location in Northbrook, Illinois, and local laws that limit our ability to sell these. Being an internet retailer serving fifty states can be complex at times, and frankly, our location in Illinois only adds to this complexity. We may not always like the law, but we need to follow it.
We own up to the fact that we did not explain this well internally, which led to an unclear message given to the customer, but we can completely repudiate any notion that this is a reaction to any recent event or the political climate. Unfortunately, our loyal customer base is best served by purchasing their magazines from retailers in “free” states. This issue is currently out of our hands. We’re committed to working hard to retain your business for everything else you need.
It’s unfortunate that this issue has created so much confusion, and we apologize for not providing clearer messaging in the first place. We continue to support our passionate customer community as we have for the past eighteen years in every way we can.
They should know better…
That’s why they did it. Supporting anti gun laws will keep them alive a little longer.
Generally pro gun people don’t stick to their word and they don’t affect change. That’s why they are NRA members.
Crazy Jay, keep being crazy!
Well, I have a special list I will be delighted to put them on. Right behind Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms.
May they go commit an unsanitary act upon themselves.
Optics Planet has been on my shit list since December. You order from them and it takes months for them to ship and when you ask different customer service reps, you never get the same answer as to when your items will ship.
They’re a shitty company already, add this to it and they can fug off.
“…can not…” or won’t?
Bye bye to my business. Too bad. Nice stuff.
F— Optics Planet. They can join Cheaper Than Dirt in the trash can.
Why Cheaper Than Dirt? I put them on my crap list when they inflated ammo prices during a shortage. Is there more to their scummery?
I quit using them when I found out that just because they take your money doesn’t mean there isn’t a 17 week wait for your purchase to come back in stock so it can be delivered.
Ain’t that the truth.
Either they or we are crazy.
I worry that this is the beginning of another round of panic buying. That’d be great for the manufactures and vendors, but kind of a pain for consumers for a few months. It’d also give the impression that the antis had momentum.
Why do I feel like we’re on the Gun rights Titanic, sinking; Pro gun people are playing music on the deck while the rats flee?
Because you are fantasizing would be my guess.
Because these pro gun people are lazy and have no substance. They pay other people to do their work for them — people who don’t truly have their interest in mind. They think the 2nd Amendment is the roadblock to illegal laws against human rights. Words on a piece of paper do not stop people from breaking the rules. Look at Mexico, look at California.
The NRA is one of the worst things to have happened to 2nd Amendment defenders. They took the fight out of human rights supporters and increased the motivation of the anti human rights mob.
Men pass off their duty to money making organizations, then women rule over the passive men. There is no balance in American society. I wonder if the white man even knows how to accomplish anything more than what Europe has achieved.
F’ers. I’m sure there will be plenty of people to remind folks on the gun deal pages if someone is stupid enough to post optics planet deals.
Well, fuck you too.
Where’s John Boch — isn’t he on the President’s gun panel? They should be convening right now.
This is their hour, those folks need to step up and provide real leadership that actually STOPS school shootings (or at least stops the spree killer’s unresisted open field).
This is no time to sit back and say “it’ll all blow over” — this is a time to win once and for all.
Well, I don’t like doing business with them anyway. They have been known to list items as in stock that have to be ordered from a distributor or from the manufacturer. Other shoppers have complained that OpticsPlanet will sell an item, charge your card, and then order the item from their vendor.
On the other hand, at least they are not charging in excess of a hundred dollars for a thirty round PMag. /sarc
Yep. Its called drop shipping. I’ve had the same experience with them. Tried to order some items but canceled them after the multi week wait, one time I called them and realized they are a drop shipper.
If they want to loose business, so be it. I am sure that certain politician’s will praise this if it helps their agenda. There are plenty of other retailers who will be glad to accept their business to sell what is desired by customers.
I personally view, 10 round magazines as “reduced capacity” magazines, especially if a weapon is designed and offered to LE/Govt with magazine capacities of 10+ rounds, I consider those to be “standard capacity”.
The term “high capacity magazine” is, something I feel, that was coined by the media, like their use of “assault rifle”. Since 1994, they have conditioned the public to accept that 10 round magazines as “standard capacity” and anything more then 10 rounds as “high capacity”. And for states with state capacity limits of 10 rounds, their citizens consider 10 rounds to be normal.
Yes, there are semi auto pistols that have less then 10 rounds, but they are usually designed to be easy to conceal. So a standard capacity of less then 10 is “normal”.
Now Trump is even going for gun control, hooray!
FWIW: “…Trump offered support for a limited strengthening of federal background checks on gun purchases…” Now WTF is “limited” if there is a system already in place and would not have prevented the kid’s purchase anyway?
He is, I believe, referring to FixNICS.
Cancel ALL you spam from them and there is a reason box to tell them why
Just did. Thanks.
This is starting to get bad. This is starting to feel like 2013 all over again.
Obviously, there is a different Sheriff in town which doesn’t have the same “inevitable” feeling. My money we won’t see an EO or even anything seriously spent on the floor, but then again Eagles did win and at the most a bone (heavily defined bumpfire bill) will be tossed to the rabid left.
I’ve never had a problem with OP in terms of items being listed “in stock” but not being in stock. When they did fuck up their customer service was top notch and all problems were made right immediately.
However, this sort of voluntary capitulation isn’t something I’ll tolerate and it goes way farther than was RRA/SA did. Those companies plausibly had a reason (staying afloat in an unfriendly State) to do what they did. OP has NO reason to do this and I suspect it’s going to cost them very, very dearly.
Personally, I won’t do business with them until they rescind this stupid policy and commit some major act of contrition. I’m not sure what the latter would be but it’s going to have to be BIG to get my business again.
Well Optics planet is now in the no buy zone. That zone includes
rock river arms
springfield armory
cheaper than dirt
Here’s the only email I could find for them:
[email protected]
I just sent a simple email stating that I will gladly be taking my business elsewhere, due to their decision to restrict the sale of “high capacity” magazines. An act of betrayal based upon cowardliness and one that they know will have absolutely zero effect in addressing the real issue. I also asked if they’d like to disclose the number of “high capacity” magazines they’ve sold, along with their total profits from them.
Hmmmm….. A large gathering of people who are anti-gun gathering in a public place that won’t have very many armed guards….. I don’t see what could possibly go wrong in that situation when it comes to a deranged person looking to make a name for themselves.
I don’t wish harm on any of those people but I am totally going to say ‘told you so’ if something does happen.
Did they ever sell “high capacity” magazines? They sure haven’t for the past 18 months. I wasn’t paying attention to them before that.
Why is everyone only upset now? It’s not like they had them yesterday and didn’t today.
they’re showing plenty of 30rd, 20rd 15rd etc mags on their site…
anyway, this can’t be good press for them. it’s not going to end well
Like? They’ve not sold any Magpul AR-10, AR-15, or AK-47 magazine with >10 round capacity since I’ve been aware of them (~18 months).
“It’s a worrying sign that the call for gun control triggered by the mass murder at Marjory Douglas Stoneman High School is gaining rather than losing strength.”
Its an important election year, leftist activist groups are at each other’s throats, and vying for pole position in primaries. Much of the MSM drama is generated by astroturf, make no mistake. They were prepared to not let a crisis go to waste. And since all they have is emotional arguments, this is prime time for them.
They’re low maintenance. I run mine absolutely filthy. Reliably. I’ve put 30,000+ rounds through my 2 Glock 19/26’s with very few problems. Other than having to change a couple springs (which should be part of a maintenance schedule anyways), the only problems I’ve had yet are ammo related.
Parts availability. I can go to any gun store in America and there is a very good chance I can find a set of sights, spare mags, and a decent holster. As they are the #1 most popular/bought pistol in the US, manufacturers release their new products for Glocks almost always first. Yes a lot of them are gimmicks, but many are helpful.
They’re also one of the easiest pistols to work on I’ve ever seen.
My M&P Pro was absolutely one of the most accurate stock pistols I’ve ever shot. The XDM’s fit my hand perfectly. The 1911 trigger is simply amazing. Many have much much better ergonomics or triggers or what have you, but none have the sheer available modifications. You can make a glock into anything with well documented how-to’s easily.
I carry my 1911 Commander almost as much as my Glocks, but if I only had to pick one weapon for a SHTF scenario…
I just unsubscribed from all of their emails. I told them it was because of their policy to stop shipping standard capacity magazines.
Ya’ll can do the same by clicking the “unsubscribe” at the bottom of one of their emails.
This is pretty irresponsible “journalism” by RF.
They’re located in Northbrook, IL. Northbrook is in Cook County. Guess what isn’t legal in Cook County? Magazines with a capacity >10 rounds…
Also, as I posed above they haven’t sold any Magpul AR-10, AR-15, or AK-47 magazine with >10 round capacity since I’ve been aware of them (~18 months). They’ve only sold the 5 & 10rd ones.
Did anyone confirm the start date of this “new” policy.
Further, if they have local inventory and aren’t drop shipping from the wholesaler can they even posses >10 round magazines in Cook County, IL as business? Everything I found says >10 round magazines are not allowed there.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/mission-first-tactical-15-30-polymer-mag-ar15-5-56x45mm-223-rem-300-aac-bagged.html
They are a drop shipper so they could probably figure out a way to sell mags if they really wanted to. Last time I checked probably half of their items listed were drop shipped.
Your presuming that Cook County has similar laws to all those other places.
Regardless, they didn’t sell “high capacity” magazines 1 week ago, 1 month ago, or 1 year ago. There is no sudden policy change. Clearly TTAG has the same level of journalistic standards as CNN, NYT, WAPO, and the rest of them.
No one here has the courage to say it is time to repeal the second ammend-ment.
Ban guns period. Unless a gun is needed for your job (police, military, game wardens, museum collectors) there is no need to have a gun.
Anyone who says that the gun is to protect them from our government should be arrested because such a person is a security risk to the US government .
There is no need to argue the case for gun control. It is obvious.
Ignore the gun nuts, put gun owners on a registry. And definitely confiscate in a phased manner till nobody has them. Trump said in an interview it is best if no one has them period. Just hope he takes action. If he bans guns he will be the greatest president in US history. Millions of lives shall be saved.
Best wishes.
We need guns to protect us from the govt. “It is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die to preserve our rights, one must be willing to kill for them, too”
I checked with some people that I know within the company, and what is above is NOT true.
there is some IL BS law because the company is 15 miles north of Chicago.
They are scrambling with the official answer, etc but this has nothing to do with FL just bad timing for the post
https://library.municode.com/il/cook_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIGEOR_CH54LIPEMIBURE_ARTIIIDEWEDE_DIV4BLHOASWEBA_S54-212ASWELAPAMASAPREX
hopefully we will know soon – no reason to freak out about this good vendor
How dare you attempt to bring facts into play. We’ve got to let our “feelz” rule the day and be like the knee-jerk lefties we complain about…
If that turns out to be the case, then this is not within their control and I (and probably most people here) won’t hold that against them. I guess we’ll know soon enough.
This is just a constant fight just to keep the very rights that we were born with.
I am not buying any gun ,because they are mindless kilkers, and I don’t want to be responsible. I think everyone should do the same, buy no more firearms or ammo. Suffer
We can only pray that this too shall pass. The Republicans have got to grow a pair and stand up and say gun deaths ACLU t for only a tiny proportion of deaths that can be prevented. I am hopeful that when these articles are posted the associated comments section seem to be rife with pro 2A supporters so I truly believe that we are the vast majority of voters. Now we need to mobilize them to action. I’ve already sent an email to Trey Gowdy politely expressing my displeasure with his comments yesterday and a bit of education. Him and Kasich will probably never have my vote in a national election.
No, we can do a hell of a lot more than just “pray that it passes.” We can DEMAND that our leaders implement actual, workable, SOLUTIONS to the problem. It’s the “doing nothing” that’s going to lose us this fight.
We need to go back to that NRA position paper after Newtown, and implement the actual suggestions. We need School Marshals like we have Air Marshals. Y’all remember the 1970’s and 1980’s? You couldn’t turn on the TV without hearing about another plane hijacking, usually to Cuba. We put Air Marshals on the planes, and we hardened the doors so the bastards couldn’t get to the pilots, and now hijackings are almost unheard of.
Let’s do the same for schools. You don’t have to change one gun law to stop this stuff, but you sure as hell have to do SOMETHING — we might as well do something that will WORK.
I’m done with them. We don’t need to financially support a company so willing to betray their customers. I was never a huge customer for them, but I did buy from them once or twice a year. They’ll never see another thin penny from me.
It is irresponsible people that cause the rest of us to have to deal with increased regulation. Pilot did not check his fuel, sounds simple. How about tire pressure monitoring systems, all because idiots would not check tire pressure on their vehicles drove on under inflated tires causing the tire to overheat and fail. So the rest of us responsible car owners suffer for other stupidity. Same with guns.
I would carry a Glock if that’s all I could afford, and if I didn’t have experience with handguns that had better weight distribution and were less flippy.
Glocks work, and when push comes to shove that’s what matters most.
Charlie
That douche bag in Boston can take his “pre-ban” and shove it.
Yes, all people are abiding by the law, until they don’t. Meaning, everyone with a car will speed eventually, or get drunk and drive. Everyone who smokes pot will end up as a homeless drug addict, killing and robbing for their next fix. Every pilot will end up flying a plane into a building, eventually. Every newspaper or media publication will eventually lie and slander, ruining someone’s life.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Deal with it. If you don’t like it, move. Or you can repeal the entire Bill of Rights. I can assure you, if you want to go the latter route, you will increase the problem tenfold.
I really need someone with some decent prominence in this country to stand on national television and tell people that rights are not up for debate. To tell them to shut up, and mind their own damn business.
I used to support gun control (although I thought guns were cool) until being swayed by facts and logic. I fancy myself an open-minded, reasonable person, and I suspect that most people do as well. The most rabid antis will never be swayed, but most people don’t know much, so they go with “common sense.” Many of those people can be turned.
Fake News. They never sold high cap mags, mag extensions or Ammo. Too many restrictions in the county they are in as well as the places they ship to.
I would assume they decided the margins on those items simply aren’t worth the risk.
I’ve purchased items from Optics Planet in the past. Never again, and ending my email subscription immediately. Great way to force yourself out of business Optics Planet. Not real smart.
They lost me. F OPTICS-PANET. Just like Springfiled!
Cruz is my Senator (well, him and Cornyn). I just wrote to Cruz, and Cornyn, and my representative, all imploring them to TAKE ACTION to SOLVE school shootings. Take real, meaningful actions that will actually reduce the carnage at school shootings. Armed guards. School marshals. Volunteers. Those who already have CCWs, whether teachers or administrators or janitors or what have you, if they’ve already got their license, for the love of God please remove the restrictions that PREVENT these people from STOPPING these school shooters.
I think we should all be writing our representatives and demanding real solutions. Don’t let it be that the only thing they hear is the Women’s March organizers and EveryTown — tell them what you want, and say it loud and clear.
Pugsley! Let’s cut a deal. We’ll hand over the guns if they agree to ban abortion, facebook and the woman’s vote.
I don’t believe it’s the government’s job to implement a solution at all. I’ll pass on the social engineering. No thanks. They have done enough social engineering for me. School shootings, any shootings, stabbings, or whatever, is a criminal issue, not a gun issue, not a social engineering issue. A criminal issue. And crime is sorted out in the court, in prisons, and at the family level where role models, mothers, fathers, and prominent family members instill in their children values, morals, and principles. They explain to their children not just that life has value, but why it has value. And when their child has trouble at school, that troubled child should feel free to console with his role models, mother, father, and prominent family members about how best to proceed. Responsibility is the manifestation of the logos employing reason to sort out our problems at an individual level. Not submitting to emotion and taking everyone’s freedom away. Not submitting to emotion and shooting dozens of school children down in the school.
Government needs to allow people to defend themselves. And the people need to fix their problems themselves, individually. Not with government mandates.
Bravo sir! He was my guy during the primary.
He got my vote in the primaries! Big Cruz fan
This is an easy one. Cook county law is preempted by state law for pistols, which has no round count restrictions. you could make the case that they are only selling 30 round magazines for AR-pattern pistols and theoretically they’ll be fine. There is some debate on whether magazines are covered by this preemption, but it hasn’t been tested in court yet so we don’t know. Can’t blame OP for not wanting to be the test case.
Wow, the site must be getting hit hard (TTAG, not Optics Planet, obviously) since this article briefly disappeared. Thought for a second it was a memory-hole violation like what happens here occaisionally, but seeing it’s back up, I guess it’s for real
Personally I always thought that Grandpa Munster was the most photogenic of the Munsters.
the “sub-text”of what is being said in the main article is, quite simply, this:
‘liberals’ etc. are all for ‘pro-choice’/relative morality/’diversity’ etc. but, when it comes to guns, they want to go all KGB on yr ass……
in effect: that makes them a bunch of mewling HYPOCRITES;
there-fore: any-thing that they say is, pretty much, totally invalid and can be safely ignored…..
I don’t bother debating anything anymore. I just send a meme about the glorious day when they get free flying lessons out the side door of a huey. Let’s be clear, she’s absolutely correct, there is no point talking to gun grabbers any longer, or really the left in general. There’s no point in trying to find common ground, there’s point in listening to their prattle. Let this sink in, there is exactly one type of person that you don’t talk to, an enemy. Once someone has been categorized as such it means that the ability to communicate with WORDS has become impossible, therefore all further communication must be undertaken with SWORDS.
Don’t kid yourself, we’re there right now, and have been for ten years. It’s just a matter of going through the motions now. A to B to C to D all the way to civil war.
Typical social services. They overreact to minor things and ignore massive flashing neon warning signs.
I have hi point 380 and a c9.I had problems with the c9 but manage to fix it myself. I have never has an accuracy with my 380,but some with the c9. I manage to loosen up the trigger pull too on both guns.
I found a a screw type take down to replace the take down pin. All I have to do to take it a part and
clean it. Is to take a small screwdriver screw it out. The gun is heavy but I think this help with the recoil.
What i do not understood is in truth how you’re not actually much more smartly-liked than you might be right
now. You’re so intelligent. You know thus significantly with regards to this matter,
made me in my opinion believe it from a lot of numerous angles.
Its like men and women aren’t interested unless it’s something to do with Woman gaga!
Your own stuffs nice. All the time take care of it up!
Looks hideous, but I’d like to try it.
кого вы называете проблемой?
Oh my god I am not making spam comments wtf guys.
This law only applies to unincorporated areas of Cook County and I’m sticking with that. There was quite a bit of debate at IllinoisCarry for the last decade. Todd clarified several things. If a Municipality has their own firearm laws period, those laws have pre-emption over county laws.
What kind of world do we live in where a city has to make a law saying what is allowed?
See:
Midwest Shooting Sports in Lyons, IL
Point Blank Range and Gunshop in Hodgkins, IL
Cabelas in Hoffman Estates
Blackhawk in Alsip
Freddy Bear Sports in Tinley
Eagle Sports in Oak Forest
All of these are in Cook County, they sell AR15s/AKs/Keltec Bullup/Tavors/Etc and various magazines in 30/40 round capacities.
Also Article VII of the IL constitution.
That is the most honest thing a republican has said facing the camera in decades. You have my respect Ted Cruz. For once I heard someone speak to what they truly believe in. How often have we heard our men and women in office say what will keep them out of the media, but finally we get to hear someone speak what they truly believe in. If only all republicans in office spoke with that kind of sincerity we might actually make some headway. Especially since we are against a force of liberal politicians and millennials so quick to condemn anyone who disagrees with their point of view. We need more men and women like Ted Cruz to be willing to stand up and speak for what we all believe in. If not, the second amendment will inevitably die and soon afterwards the rest of the freedoms that make this country a place worth living in. Cruz, I didn’t vote for you when I had the chance but I am starting to feel I made the wrong decision. If you read this, Thank you sincerely for standing up for what you, and the rest of this free country believe in. Keep on keepin on we will see you at the next election. God bless America.
what to expect from kids BRAIN-WASHED by a bunch of commie, pedo-freaks?
just another argument to home-school yr kids!
I call BS. One of the biggest Cabela’s in the country is in Cook County. You know what they and every other gun shop in the county sells? ARs and pistols with tons and tons of standard capacity mags.
They are prohibitively expensive for the bourgeoisie and lesser class. It is essentially a defacto ban.
Probably everyone in congress could afford one though. The vegas shooter could definitely afford one, but he didn’t buy one. Instead he bought a large sum of semi-automatics and bump stocks, because either him or the cosmos determined that helps the gun control effort. Already unavailable machine guns? Not so much.
“all of GLOCKs direct competitors — Smith & Wesson’s M&P, Springfield’s XD, Walther’s PPQ, FN’s 509 and the rest — are equally reliable.”
The new term is “fake news” but “imma” just call bullshit.
Where is everyone getting the information that the aircraft ran out of fuel?
SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THIS GREAT NATION (F all others) . . . Deleterious Yahoo aholes have asked that our government disarm us against the day we needed to disarm our government.
F em all. Whenever the need should arise, such aholes have put themselves on the map and in their own order for counter-attack.
Just read that the Dallas mayor Pro Tem asked the NRA to move their convention somewhere else. And you don’t think the anti-gun sentiment among the general public is starting to really take hold? As much as we like to think otherwise, there are many more of them than us, and once they become really aroused, watch out.
Who in the hell is Liz Weekly and why should I give a fraction of a damn about what she posts on Facebook?
You really couldn’t find anything more relevant by a more prominent public figure than this SJW FLAME DELETED, RF?
RF don’t post anything else until tonight, just leave her photo all day long. I’m sure that will be good for TTAG web traffic.
Let’s not kid ourselves We all know the purpose of “MSR’s” They’re not for Fun, or sport.
We have them to STOP tyranny, fight against govt. and mobs of lawless people (shtf)
The founding fathers spelled it out in crayon lest we forget.
Talk to some Jewish survivors of the holocaust about being disarmed.
“It is the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.”
—Benjamin Franklin
“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God”
—Benjamin Franklin
“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”
—Benjamin Franklin
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect its country from its government.”
—Thomas Paine
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
— Benjamin Franklin
Apparently even on a site that claims to support individual rights… the wamyn are always right.
Good point Robert. I google “gun control” all the time to see what anti’s are up to and dissect their arguments.
Fell in a tackle box?
LOL, Ted Cruz certainly doesn’t understand the 2nd Amendment, but then he is Canadian. The 2nd Amendment wasn’t placed into the Bill of Rights for us to protect ourselves from bad people, our right to keep and bear arms is a natural right (God given).
Let’s let Noah Webster (Founding Father) explain:
“Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command: for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787”
“..and the round was downloaded and eventually necked down to make the 40 S&W round.” WRONG! I stopped reading right there. 10mm and .40 sw are the EXACT same diameter, there is no neck down case, period…thats why I can use the same projectiles when loading. Nice article, apparently no one bothers proof reading these.
10<40. Math 101.
Try again Momma1913: 10mm is the same diameter as 0.40 inches.
(Notice the different units of measure, millimeters versus inches.)
But 10 is less then 40…
.357 is NOT 9mm either. .38/.357 use a .357 diameter projectile, 9mm uses .355. That two thousandths of an inch is enough that a 9mm slug in a .357 won’t even have rifling marks on it. It also won’t have much velocity as most of the expanding gases will blow right by the projectile, instead of being trapped behind it to accelerate it. Overall, my impression of this author is: as a scientist and tester, he makes a good novelist…(maybe). Novels don’t need accuracy, only imagination, and he seems to have plenty of that.
This shows how terrified big retailers have become with regards to firearms. Ill bet Optics Planet is looking for a way out of this line of business. For me its simple. You are either with us all the way or you are not.
Im sure they are worried about the liberals and snowflakes boycotting them but those people dont shop at Optics Planet anyways, nothing to lose except my business. Plenty of other people to sell me magazines and optics and other parts.
The best “weapon” against these people is the truth and factual numbers vs. emotion and hyperbole. It’s a shame they can’t accept the truth and continue on with their emotional blinders on. The old saying definitely applies here about leading a horse to water.
If you haven’t seen this short video may I recommend you do and pass it on as well. It is very much worth the time to view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=260&v=m2cXChSsd2k
Yeah it’s like that dumb meme with the kinder eggs.
YES. We should let people import kinder eggs. Oh that wasn’t your point? Well it should’ve been.
On Pi day? That’s sacrilege. No school, no dessert. It’s that simple. Is it that obvious I’m an engineer?
These are your children, America. Stupid, entitled, ignorant, brainwashed twits. Are you happy?
The only thing sillier than the children in this “crusade” are the children who supposedly raised them.
If they want to go crusading, we can always round them up, and ship them to Iran, see how that works out for them.
Who is paying for all these protests? Who is organizing them? It has the stink of Soros or Bloomberg.
This is a perfect example of the Rahm Emanuel line, “Never let a crisis (tragedy) go to waste.”
Soros is. Women’s March is the one organizing this and he is the main one funding them.
I’m going to take a wild guess and say this event will be mainly in blue states, but the media will do their best to make it look like a nationwide event.
Meanwhile, the teachers who complain they don’t have enough money or resources to properly educate our kids won’t see the irony in wasting a day on this pointless event.
If I had kids, I would let them not go to school on March 14. That week is Spring Break here.
To the optics uneducated – what makes this worth 10 times as much as a clone on Amazon?
The same goes for the reflex sites ($400 Trijicon vs. $40 for a clone on Amazon).
I don’t have enough years left in my life to debate gun control dumbasses. I point out how pro slavery their position is and then tell them they’re too stupid to hold a conversation with. As I ignore them they eventually resort to name calling, and after five minutes or so of me ignoring them, they drift off. Drifting off is what our intellectually challenged society does best.
I don’t have kids but if I did the deal would be that they could skip that day if by 6pm the night before they provided me a 10 page paper on the BOR with a two to five page addendum on why one right (their choice) is more important than the rest or why not.
If that was done to my satisfaction then we could do something else. If not, then they could go to school or rewrite the paper.
No.
Pretty sure 11 million of the remaining hunters are #&% $ ing amishmen occupying northern Indiana. So glad I left there; couldn’t find an acre that didn’t have a half dozen of them on it.
“propose regulations that ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns” – A bump stock doesn’t turn a gun into a machine gun. Does this mean we’re getting a new definition of machine gun?
Eh, this could be just a “feel good” move.
He didn’t say “ban bump fire stocks” that was added.
Anything that makes a semi auto into a machine gun is already illegal, so he basically said he wants to see laws that are already in place. But maybe it will appease the lynch mob and keep the peace with the gun side as well.
Remember the ATF has already stated that a bump fire stock does not actually make the weapon into a machine gun.
Certainly an area to tread lightly, but I would say too early to tell…
I’d throw that on the grill. (Not eating the liver though – poisonous stuff)
So…they’re going to protest…..themselves? Since they are the ones committing the violence.
From my perspective as a landowner:
We don’t like bullet holes in our houses, vehicle, property, or livestock. Bad/inexperienced hunters giving the rest of you a bad name.
My granddad had a shot cow one season.
I have dug a 30 caliber slug from a hunter out of my moms house and now no one gets to hunt those prime mature oak acres.
Always know your target and what is behind it. That is why I have said before it is important to take your kids with you WITHOUT a gun so they can observe how to hunt, signs, patterns, safe handling, harvest & processing.
Conservatives, still happy that you elected Trump instead of a principled small government representative like Cruz or Paul?
A ham sandwich could have beaten Hillary and in the easiest election ever, the Republicans selected an unprincipled buffoon. I’m not even gonna be sad when Republicans lose both the House and Senate in 2018, they deserve it.
Why not give your money to a state that wants your business.