A gust of wind revealed that the Polish Minister of Justice @ZiobroPL conceal carries. pic.twitter.com/Qc8Ks9Q1Df
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 13, 2023
From the AP . . .
Polish Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro has drawn surprised comments after a gust of wind revealed that he carries a gun tucked in his belt.
Ziobro was laying a wreath at a monument to victims of mining disasters in central Poland on Monday when the Glock pistol came into view.
Poland, like most European Union countries, have strict rules about acquiring guns and very few people are allowed to own them or carry them in public.
Critics on social media commented that the minister mustn’t be confident in the protection he receives as a state figure, but supporters note that Ziobro, who is also prosecutor general, has received death threats.
Ziobro said at a news conference on Tuesday that he obtained permission to have a gun after it was revealed some years ago that an organized crime boss had called for his assassination. The man, identified only as Jan S., has been detained for several years and his trial is underway.
Ziobro said that he has victim status in the case.
“Like any citizen, I have every right to use means that guarantee security to me and to my family,” Ziobro said.
At a separate news conference, Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that all citizens, including the justice minister, have the right to try to obtain permission to have a gun.
Earlier, Ziobro said that he practices shooting at a range on weekends as a hobby. He said he had the gun on him because the alternative was to leave it in the car, which isn’t allowed, as he stopped at the ceremony on his way back to Warsaw at the start of the working week.
He said he doesn’t carry the weapon all the time.
Ziobro, 52, is head of a small party in the ruling conservative coalition and has strong views, including support for the death penalty. He authored changes to the justice system that have put Poland on a collision course with the 27-nation EU.
“…reveals that he conceal carries…”
Not so much, if a mere blow of the wind will show the world your gat. And now that the world knows…
concealed does not mean invisible. it just means, basically, concealed from view until it isn’t.
unless you carry at work in places that have policies against it.
Concealed from view until you intend for it not to be. If someone’s gat is easily revealed by a turn of the waist, or a blow of the wind, or such, then it isn’t reliably concealed.
If I walk around Los Angeles here on a breezy day and the tail of my coat keeps blowing up to reveal my gun, and someone reports me (likely with an easy pic or video to go with it), I’ll be in trouble with LASD for improper carry. The requirement for me to maintain concealment was directly addressed by the Deputy who issued me my final laminated card and oversaw the paperwork I signed, which contained a plethora of requirements.
well, not every human comes with a wind control option.
the area you are talking about is called ‘control’ of when it is in view or not.
concealed does not mean invisible. it just means, basically, concealed from view until it isn’t.
“If I walk around Los Angeles here on a breezy day and the tail of my coat keeps blowing up to reveal my gun, and someone reports me (likely with an easy pic or video to go with it), I’ll be in trouble with LASD for improper carry.”
Florida was like that.
What changed was, an incident at Wal-Mart where a man was jumped and slammed to the ground by a ‘citizen’.
I’m pretty sure TTAG covered it awhile back.
Florida state legislature cured that by making inadvertent reveal no longer a criminal act.
Meaning, in slave states like California, relief like that is likely to take years, if ever. Oh, well, time to launch the lawsuits… 🙁
Haz,
Glad to hear you FINALLY got your CCW (at absurd trouble, expense, and delay). Unfortunately, the clear goal of the fascist “blue” states (CA, NY, MA, etc.) is to make defensive carry as onerous and difficult as possible, while refusing to jail criminals. Cognitive dissonance – most of the Leftist/fascists think that must be the name of a garage band, not the state of their alleged minds.
“Like any citizen, I have every right to use means that guarantee security to me and to my family,”
apparently not like any citizen ’cause…
“Poland, like most European Union countries, have strict rules about acquiring guns and very few people are allowed to own them or carry them in public.”
so to correct his statement so it would be true…
“I have every right to use means that guarantee security to me and to my family, thankfully I’m not like the other citizens.”
rules for thee but not for me
The eurowussies and their EU antigun rules (nearly all the EU countries have tucked their balls up/into and knuckled under).
For a laugh: https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/european-union
neiowa,
UNPOSSIBLE!!!! dacian the demented is ALWAYS telling us how ‘civilized’ those countries are. They would never do anything so fascistic as to treat their nomenklatura differently than their citizens! They’re just “more evolved” than us, amirite??
It was made clear that EVER CITIZEN in POLAND has the rigtt to apply to own a firearm NOT the absolute to own one.THis is the norm in most of the cIVILISED WORLD includingthe UK> There is noit and never has been an ABSOLUTE ban on the ownership of firearms. It’ s all a question of proof of NEED and and licensing conditions.
What AMERICANS fail tounderstand is thatb most ofnthe wrold s dose not have the fascination and almost religioius worship of firearms that America does. CANADA which has a kind of parallel history to the USA has never had a gun culture and there has never been much of as kick-back against CANADA’s strict gun control measures.
Poland is no different and if anybody thinks that POLAND is not able to defend itself because of it’s strict gun control meaures than they do not know the POLES very well and by the same measure they do not know the BRITS either.
Half the world has good reason to know that the BRITS in extremist take no prisoners and no Army in the world would take on either the BRITS or the POLES on a man-for-man basis – and they’ed be bloody hesitant at 5 to 1.
Every single POLISH male has EXPERT firearms due to compulsory MILITARY CONSCRIPTION training and at the present time has the ability to call in 1 million reserves up to the age of 45, ALL with advanced Military training at some time in their lives, and is doubling the size of it’s Permanent [Regular] Army to 300,000 in the next year.
DO NOT TAKE the POLES or BRITS LIGHTLY just because they have sensible Gun controls . Gun controls that have the OVERWHELMING support of their electorate
“Ziobro said at a news conference on Tuesday that he obtained permission to have a gun after it was revealed some years ago that an organized crime boss had called for his assassination. The man, identified only as Jan S., has been detained for several years and his trial is underway.”
Wow, organized crime in a former Eastern Bloc country. Amazing.
s/
Gun ownership for only the selected Elite in that former Eastern block country. No surprise there. Because it was a Polish immigrant, a jewish lawyer, who later became a member of the ACLU board of directors, who co-wrote the most racist modern-day gun control law in the country. The Mulford Act in the state of California.
Seems detaining suspects for years before a trial happens in Poland. Just as it happens here in the United States. With the J-6 accused being held now for years without trial. Now where is the ACLU on that????
Chris T,
When was the last time you saw coverage of the ACLU ACTUALLY being a ‘civil rights’ organization??? They pretty much went full Leftist/fascist shortly following the reaming they got over defending the Skokie Nazi’s right to protest. Now they support (among other favorite Leftist/fascist tropes) mutilating minors, killing babies, gutting the 2A, and every other Leftist/fascist wet dream.
Someone, please, reupholster my fainting couch. I saw a gun! I need a few days to collect myself. Please, refer any inquires to my publicist at [email protected]
MyName,
Well, to be fair, seeing a gun in a European country, OTHER than in the hands of the military, is pretty rare. Apparently, it’s a privilege reserved only for the nomenklatura. Free citizens need not apply.
sitting in the airport in Brussels…when two gendarmes strolled by…one casually toting an UZI slung over his shoulder…don’t see THAT around here
Aw, you have the right to try. Feels good.
As far as I understand, a sport shooter in Poland can carry (i.e. loaded and ready to use) on the way to and from the shooting range. And with some imagination, I guess this can be a bit ‘extended’…
shoulder holster still the best when wearing a suit…
Most Counties in Europe, especially those that border Russia should seriously reconsider their gun control laws. Ukraine had a logistical nightmare trying to arm people. When your Country is invaded, everyone becomes a combatant, not just those people in uniform. These people need to get over their irrational fears and start looking at the real threats.
This goes for our people as well. Chinese propaganda is calling the 2A dangerous. Gee, why would they think it is dangerous for a population to be armed?
Poland does border a Russian enclave and the lackey state of Belarus.
Security would be a concern with Russian threats.
Poland shares a border with Russia. It’s an exclave called Kaliningrad.
once preussich friedland.
interesting how a couple of hundred militia types…[aka “amateurs”]…were able to repel a russian special forces unit at the airport…shoot down some choppers…and send the survivors fleeing into the woods…somebody ought to make a movie about that…maybe they will someday…
Pretty sure our useless Attorney General, Merritless Garland, would wet it’s VJ if a firearm touched his bod.
That anyone proposed that simp for SCOTUS is truly pathetic.
neiowa,
No, like all Leftist/fascists in our government, Garland relies on “personal protection details” to carry his gun for him (not an incorrect choice, by the way. As Dirty Harry said, “A man’s got to know his limitations.”). As for why anyone would even nominate such an OBVIOUS midwit for SCOTUS, let me remind you – Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor. Frankly, they’re both noticeably stupider than Garland. They’re stupid; he’s both evil AND stupid.
I like to refer to him as “the tool for the fool”…..
Good for him.
thankyou.
Typical Euro-trash hypocrisy. Highlights much of what I despise about the EU. I don’t mind that the guy goes strapped- I do mind that he does so while denying that right to everyone else. One would think that the history of Poland being what it is, that personal firearms would be a cherished right, not a crime. Governments which deny this basic natural human right are thugocracies beneath whatever velvet gloves they may be wearing.
Spot on!! In their own hearts, the Euro-trash never got over their love of monarchy. They elevate their government to royal status. Unfortunately, we’re rapidly approaching that sorry state. I was a KKKalifornian for most of my life; I’ve SEEN the “protection detail” that Gavin Gruesome travels with. Rules for thee, and not for me is the mantra of the Left.
your rights..including property rights… are somewhat limited over there if you come from a non EU state..it’s something of an elite club…
The real question is what model does he carry. Is it a WIS 100?