Perhaps the security at US naval bases could use some beefing up. Despite the fact that the AP reports the Navy held “anti-terrorism and force protection exercises” at its US bases just last month, an as yet un-named civilian gained access to the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, “approached a destroyer docked at the world’s largest naval base late Monday, disarmed a petty officer on watch and fatally shot a sailor” on board the guided missile destroyer USS Mahan. The attacker was then shot dead by security guards . . .
The report at yahoo.com is a little murky as to whether or how the gunman was authorized to be on the base. “Each base entrance is guarded, and motorists present IDs. Inspections are rare. All 13 piers have additional security forces. As part of ongoing security efforts, handheld ID scanners were implemented this year at Navy bases in the region, including the Norfolk station.”
This kind of senseless act if violence leads to only one conclusion. If only Virginia had instituted some common sense gun control measures, limiting firearms access to trained police officers and the military, a tragedy like this could have been prevented. Oh. Wait.
[h/t ShootingTheBull410]
local news reports here in VA say the civilian was authorized to be on base. Now, how and why he was on the ship….that’s in question. There’s a lot to this story that hasn’t been report (yet). Let’s leave the jumping to conclusions until more details emerge.
I await Moms Demand Action’s statement calling for security guards on military bases be prohibited from carrying firearms so we don’t have to hear about this situation again. If it save one life……. right Shannon?
I carried a Beretta 92 Centurion in Rwanda and my Navy chief had a Sig228. I retired from active duty in 96 and immediately bought a Sig228, which I still have and shoot fairly regularly. It is accurate, reliable, and simple. I deployed as a civilian in 2009 and carried an M9. I missed the 228. It is a more natural shooter for me and the trigger allows a close ride for follow ups.. The only thing I have done to it since I bought it was send it off for a Cerakote job.
I have nothing against the AK 47,nor do I promote the SKS. However I keep reading your SHTF remarks ….So, I’d like to put in my two cents… When it does hit the fan Its gonna be unlike anything most of us has ever seen. When it comes most all you macho boys will be the first to die. After the first few hours, or perhaps days most of the fire fights will be over, and most all those macho guys will be covered with flies rotting away. The people who will most likely survive will be those who can make every shot count from as far away as possible. Oh, but thats not macho is it? No, Its called smart, and smart people will live longer then you macho men… Accuracy is more important then how fast you fill the air with lead. Bullets that doesn’t hit anyone doesn’t kill anyone, and after their shot their gone. One well aimed shot is all it takes. Also, when it hits the fan, It’ll be here, where you’r at, NOT some fantasy land your picturing in your head…you wont be magically transported to some jungle, or desert, or range. You wont be coming back to try again, and again. It wont be a game…Your survival and your families survival will depend on how well think. How well you shoot, and what you shoot. Also, how few shots you have to make. Your ammo will be precious. It wont be lying around, so smart people wont waist it. You wont be carrying three or four rifles. Or not long anyway. You might carry two. A good semi auto rifle, and a good pump shotgun. You will want what shoots the most common ammo available, or be willing to carry a lot of ammo. You want a simple, high caliber, reliable, and accurate semi automatic long range rifle that kills rather then simply wound what you shoot, a good pump shot gun, a pistol, and a good knife. So maybe an SKS would do, but your AKs and (AR15s (what a joke)) are NOT what your gonna need when it does hit the fan… But then someone has to be macho…
Dan,
Please wait until the whole story comes out of this. It is still in process of investigation.
piersonb,
all persons assigned to security positions carry actual guns, M-9, M-4, M-16, M-500 Etc…
I visit lots on my days off, but Sportsman’s Warehouse in Midvale Utah is my regular stop. Friendly, non commission staff that treat you like a small shop, and aren’t afraid to call their boss to try and swing a deal.
Florida Gun Supply in Inverness, FL. Good guys selling guns and accessories at great prices. Nice range.
Shot dead by security guards huh?
Weird…didn’t realize we had security guards on our ships.
What pisses me off about this article is what kind of picture you’re painting about base/ship security, when you have no idea how it works.
This guy doesn’t look operator, but oh, he’s operator all right.
I don’t know who he is but I recognize him from the range…he was practicing tactical pistol drops with his carry gun.
With his hands up, he was able to drop his pistol to the ground “just so” and ring steel three times out of five.
As I said, operator.
That IS impressive. I can’t make my carry gun do that.
Sportsman’s Arms and Independence Armory, both in Petaluma, CA. SA is a very small shop, the owner is also the only person I’ve seen behind the counter. They have a very nice selection of rifles and shotguns, and a small case of used and antique handguns, but there selection of new handguns is limited. They’re also the only place in the county where I can regularly find .30-30 Winchester ammo, which is nice. IA is a larger shop that doesn’t seem to carry any new firearms at all, but they have a very nice selection of revolvers for me to drool over.
A clear indication he’s insecure in his position. Thanks for showing your hand to those who support the Bill of Rights you foul-mouthed midget. We are strong and you are weak…..now go F**K yourself and take your boyfriend with you. Molon Labe.
Glocks glocking Glocks.
Couldn’t you just take the stock off and add a single point sling so you wouldn’t have to register either and still rock 2 Glocks at once?
That design is a bit odd however their Carbine mod for the glock is not bad looking.
Looking at their products page I realised that fugly contraption is a carbine kit and a pistol kit combined. Im guessing they us the rail on the pistol kit to attach it to the the bottom of the carbine kit.
Ha, they made their design in about 30 seconds on pimp my gun.
And you called dual-wielding silly.
Double glock? Now I’m going to have Bone Thugs-n-Harmony stuck in my head the rest of the day! Ah my misspent youth. Need to listen to E. 1999 Eternal when I get home!
This. Is. Stupid. The End.
We need a 3 glock version. 2 pointing forward as now and a 3rd pointing to the rear. With a little rear view mirror so the operator as phuck guy operating operationally can cover his own 6. And see how cool he looks doing it.
Unless the 6 ‘o clock barrel points to his face while the 12 ‘o clock barrels point towards the tangos, and the stock is engraved ‘Darwin Awards 2014, I ain’t interested.
Aside from Hunter Essentials (which seems to have random operating hours) most of the gun stores I’ve been to in NYC and Long Island are filled with alpha-male know-it-alls.
This reminds me of the ever escalating number of blades on razor cartridges. What is better than 2 blades…3 blades…whats better than 3?
Let’s just add this to the list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_barrel_firearms
Now if you could insert 6 Glocks into a bumpfire stock, you might have something.
Probably a disaster.
Cool YouTube video though.
Or the most interesting pepperbox….. IN THA WOOORRLLLDD!!
There are three LGS’ in Bryan/College Station, TX not counting the big box retailers.
Champion Firearms has the only local indoor range and teaches CHL courses. The classes are very well done and the owner is very knowledgeable. The range is small but serviceable and they have a $5 for 5 rounds out of any of their range pistols which the $5 will be applied to any new/used firearm purchase that day. A neat approach that I have recommended to several people I know shopping for their first firearm. The selection is pretty broad for both MSRs, pistols, and more traditional hunting options. They also sell suppressors. The store is clean and well organized if a little sparse on my preferred accessory brands and items for my preferred firearm brand. My issue is that their staff has been not unfriendly but rather uninterested and indifferent anytime I have been there. It is an uncomfortable shopping experience. Additionally, their transfer fee is 10% of their retail cost of any gun they sell and they won’t (as of the last time I checked) price match.
The second store is Burdette and Sons which is a firearms and outdoor store. The selection is much smaller than Champion with much more resale merchandise (I still kick myself for not grabbing the Ishapor SMLE I saw there last year!). The store is also very cluttered. You can generally find a cluster of people at the counter talking and both the regulars and the staff seem oblivious or indifferent to said regulars blocking access to anyone who might be trying to see the handguns. The conversation is more interpersonal than “gun shop” related.
The third (and newest) is Gun Corps. I have only been in once and it is a very small store front though the building they are in looks like there is room to expand. The merchandise is geared exclusively to MSRs/tactical products. The store is clean and well laid out though based on its size the stock is also limited. Even with a few regulars in chatting up the staff one of the staff detached himself and greeted me at the door and spent the next 30 minutes I was in the store answering questions and just being available (IE he did not return to the conversation but stood unobtrusively near by in case I needed something). I was told, without prompting, that if there was anything I wanted they could order it for me so points for anticipating the question. As we talked I was also offered a military discount when they found out what I do so more points.
Over all for a metro of between 165K and 240K people (college town so it depends on if the students are here) we have an adequate number of choices. For selection it is hard to beat Champions and it is nice to be able to try before you buy. Just make sure to say thank you when the staff does you the favor of acknowledging you. For used and surplus Burdette is the place to go but bring a map to the counter and a cattle prod to clear space near it. Gun Corps is or would be if I wasn’t moving soon my preferred shop because I can actually get served there without any issues and what they don’t have they will get as soon as they can. Plus as a veteran owned business I am more inclined to shop there to support the guy.
Wow!…And here I was thinking that the double 1911 or double AR15 were the stupidest firearm concepts I would ever see.
Elite Sound and Security, Texas City, Texas, it is absolute crap. The owner is bipolar and runs a sloppy business. Once yelled at me for wanting to pay what the pricetag said vs what he wanted. Box of hornady 7.62×39, tag on box said $33(fair) and he wanted 40something and started yelling and cursing at me when I respectfully showed him the pricetag and asked if he would honor it. I had bought numerous guns there, this was a few years ago and they have lost a customer that knows alot of gun people. Poor choice lol.
Not sure if its the same way on a DOG as it was on a carrier… but here are some insights from what security forces were like on a carrier.
The Petty Officer of the Watch was not always an MA. In fact it was rarely an MA. So you would have someone whose experience with firearms may only be the less than 50 rounds fired in basic. There is no hand to hand combat training for the average sailor.
Security forces itself was commonly augmented by individuals from other rates. Again, there is a high probability they have limited experience with firearms.
Our standard holster is predictably, horrible. It would not have been difficult to disarm him if it were holstered. But again, with little to no force on force training it would have been easy to disarm him regardless.
25 out of 32 fatal dog bite fatalities, while an interesting statistic, is hardly an epidemic. It probably ranks with “being killed by lightning” as a cause of death. Can we please use a little common sense here?
Meh. I’m holding out for a movie gun, you know the revolver that only needs to be reloaded every hundred rounds?
For most purchases, it’s Fuquay Gun & Gold in Fuquay Varina, NC. Always well stocked (even in the ‘dark days’), always a fair price, and Clay (owner) is just a stand up guy. During the recent run, he’d post on Facebook the night before what was going on the floor tomorrow. Kept his margins the same as before the run.
For ‘specials’, Sovereign Guns, also in Fuquay. They usually have more AK’s, Uzi’s, and Saiga’s and other such items.
Make a 3 gun AK, with a clover leaf maglatch, TWS rail, 90-degree gas block, skip the traditional irons, and a receiver-mounted forearm, Until then, CMMG are just the guys that make .22 conversions for me.
There are a surprising number of good gun shops in Northern New Jersey. I usually go to Meltzers in Garfield NJ. Great prices and will wheel and deal on used firearms. Most used pistols have only been fired once or twice. I also patronize Heritage in Rahway NJ, which has a lot of high-end military collectibles.
Oldag Guns in beautiful New Braunfels. Deryl and his wife Jennifer and their 3 yr old son are always there and always helpful. The perfect store for this town! You always see someone you know in there which makes me very happy and comfortable. Also, Lamarr Smith just had Deryl testify before his committee on the impact of sales tax policy re: internet sales and the effect on small businesses. I’ve done business with Deryl for 4 years. In fact I was his first sale! And many more sales after that……..
This could be great for twin brothers to use at the same time!
I don’t care who you are… Henry rifles are cool!
Not bad, for a state that is shaped like a …….firearm?!?
/sarc
I live deep in the Catskill mountains, and there are not that many shops around. There aren’t that many people around either (except for July and August and that’s when us locals go and hide).
Big Dog Arms, Roscoe, NY. They’re a bunch of swell guys, and they have a humongous selection crammed into a really small shop, and they are nice to my kids, a big plus.
A local gunsmith does a brisk trade in used guns, also a very nice guy, but I’m not sure he wants too much publicity.
Gander Mountain about 45 mins away from me in Middletown, NY, noxious nitwits behind the counter. I always have a bad experience in there, and one day I came back complaining and my wife just said “So why do you keep going in there? Their prices stink, their service stinks, and your friend the gunsmith is where you’ve bought most of your stuff anyway.” And I haven’t been back since.
Davis Shooting Sports in Goshen is as far afield as I will go, about an hour, but they have a 100 yard indoor range. They charge a lot for range time, but it’s a 100 yard no membership indoor range in the Hudson Valley, and it’s the only non-“Fudd club” range I know of within 75 miles of my house. (Like I said, I live deep in the Catskill Mountains!)
Why the $&@”?! Does this need to be a law???
The Outdoorsman in San Angelo, Texas
Best ever! Always a pleasant experience and staff is well informed.
Treat customers like family; respect
I’m available.
Tim’s Guns in Elbridge, NY is great. The guys there are always super helpful and willing to work with you to get what you want, and just as willing to hang out and bullsh*t if that’s what you’re interested in. Their prices are only ok, but the folks that work there are what keep me coming back.
Why did the school bother to lock down? Was that the question? [Raises hand high, and waves it around]
I know the answer! Call on ME!
To get schoolkids used to the idea that guns are bad, and people who own them are child-killers in waiting!
What do I get?
Okay, so what’s up with that “justifiable homicides” stat the anti-gunners love to trot out? It’s such a tiny number… hell, I’m pretty sure the NRA’s “Armed Citizen” column categorizes more gunfights and DGUs.
And so do, for that matter, the DOJ (under both Obama and Clinton), Kleck, etc. Anybody have some idea of what’s up?
“A certain section of medical opinion, in late years, has succumbed to the messianic delusion. Its spokesmen are not content to deal with the patients who come to them for advice; they conceive it to be their duty to force their advice upon everyone, including especially those who don’t want it. That duty is purely imaginary. It is born of vanity, not of public spirit. The impulse behind it is not altruism, but a mere yearning to run things.”
–H.L. Mencken
Saw this quote in an article on townhall.com. Thought it summed up this kind of thing pretty well.
In addtion I refuse to buy anything manufactured in NY state. Why should I buy a product that has profits and taxes go to a Communist/Marxist territory?
Screw You Leland Yee !! Your Now Banned !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjS6cruqrx8