Walther’s just announced a value priced addition to its line of handguns. Called the Creed, the “pre-cocked double action” TENIFER-coated pistol will pack 16+1 rounds of 9mm parabellum in a size that should make it a viable choice for one gun to handle both concealment and home defense duties…all for an MSRP of $399. If it also sports the kind of superior out-of-the-box trigger so many other Walthers have, the affordable Creed should be very much in demand. Here’s their press release:
Walther Arms, Inc. is proud to announce the new Creed pistol. A Creed is a set of fundamental beliefs. For Walther, those beliefs are superior ergonomics, excellence in trigger design, and unparalleled accuracy, quality, and reliability. The new Walther Creed makes a statement in modern polymer-frame handguns that all of these features can be achieved with an economic price- tag. The Creed offers a reinforced polymer frame with signature ergonomics that shooters have come to expect from Walther. The non-slip grip texturing, standard on most Walther pistols, ensures the gun remains firmly in the shooter’s hand during use. The Creed features a pre-cocked double-action trigger system and a bobbed hammer that ensure a no-snag draw from a concealment. This system provides the shooter with a light and smooth trigger pull, consistent from the first shot to the last. All metal components are treated with a corrosion and abrasion resistant TENIFER® coating, providing a matte black hardened surface. With an ambidextrous magazine release, low profile steel 3-dot sights, and front and rear cocking serrations on the slide, Walther refused to compromise on the quality or features of the Creed. Offered in 9mm with a 4-inch barrel and 1/10 twist. The Creed comes with two sixteen round 9mm magazines. The overall length is 7.3 inches and an empty magazine weight of 26.6 ounces.
“The value the Creed offers consumers is almost unbelievable. We are so excited to pack all these features into an amazingly ergonomic pistol with a great trigger.” said Luke Thorkildsen, VP of Marketing & Product Development of Fort Smith-based Walther Arms, Inc.
The MSRP is $399.
For more on the Creed visit www.WaltherArms.com/handguns/creed, and all Walther Arms social media outlets.
Another revolting marketing effort (name-wise) anyway. Right up there with Honor Guard and Legion.
It’s gonna get ugly: New! The Ruger Pledge Of Allegiance!
Soon to fill Colt’s warehouse space: The Colt Four Score And Seven Years Ago Our Fathers Brought Forth On This Continent, A New Nation!
I think the Ruger Dignity is more likely, because one has to swallow theirs to buy it.
I actually laughed, nice.
…followed by the USA! USA! USA! and the I Support Our LEO Heros.
No doubt. Creed? Don’t they know that was a horrible Christian rock band? I’m guessing so, and they are specifically going for the guns n bibles demographic. Jesus H Christ on a crutch. This is like building a trailer park next to millionaires row to up your revenue. Bad idea.
As long as we’re on the subject, what was Walther thinking when they called that pistol the “PP”? Such a lame attempt to pander to the immature crowd with a cheap urine joke!
Isn’t a “pre-cocked double action” really a single action? How do you precock a double action?
If I had to guess, they’re basically trying to avoid saying it’s a single action with a double action trigger weight. Stupid, but that’s what I bet it works out to.
Might be something similar to H&K’s LEM trigger.
True, and it may offer second strike capability. I was a diehard striker-fired fan until I tried an LEM trigger. The best of both worlds.
The PPX doesn’t have restrike capability as far as I know. It would be swell if this new one did, but I would expect that to be mentioned in the product release details, and it’s not.
I still kind of want one, though, goofy name and all.
Would guess it is very similar to the Smith and Wesson M&P which uses a pivoting sear that catches the tail of the striker as the slide returns to battery leaving it fully cocked. The trigger bar pushes up on the front edge of the sear causing the tail to pivot down and release the striker.
This is as opposed the Glock style trigger bar which catches the tail of the striker in a half cocked position and then part of the trigger press is spent moving the striker back to fully cocked and then releasing it by some means of causing the tail of the trigger bar to drop down.
This is hammer fired though.
Works the same way the PPX does, apparently.
For a description of that pistol’s action, there is a review right here on TTAG from 2013.
For all those attempting to compare this to some other brand (and missing the mark, I think), read up on S&W 3rd Gen DAO autos. The model numbers will have 4 digits, with a third digit of “4” or “5” for the DAO version (e.g., S&W 5943).
Succinctly, the slide precocks the hammer to a half-cock notch. The trigger finishes cocking the hammer and drops it. The trigger cannot recock the hammer (no second strike)– the slide must cycle to “reset” the action.
Manual-of-arms and remedial actions exactly matched–you guessed it–the Glock, and made an easy transition for departments looking to switch from S&W revolvers to an auto, retaining a somewhat revolver-like trigger pull.
I’m sure this pistol will be received with arms wide open.
Oh, that’s a win.
…but only with sails unfurled.
UNDAAAAH THA SHUNLAAGHT!
I’m glad I’m not the only one to see that everything has changed.
Hopefully no one lets a gun like this get rusted and weathered.
With arms wide open,
under the limelight.
Welcome to the range
you’ll shoot at every thing
I was curious as to why this pistol exists when the PPQ is somewhat close to this price range already, then noticed it’s a hammer fired gun. Somewhat of a odd entry in today’s striker fired marketplace, but should definitely find some buyers at that price point! Hopefully we’ll get a TTAG review soon. Would be nice to see a threaded option available as well eventually.
The frame seems scalloped out for a safety, which would probably be nice since this doesn’t appear to have a grip safety, or trigger-bar/safe action safety. As much as I hate manual safeties, having nothing safety oriented on the gun seems a bit sketchy. Does Walther claim any safety features on the “safetyless” model?
Safety with ANY firearm resides between your ears, NOT on a mechanical safety of any type.
So its a re-branded PPX
If that’s de-uglified, then Walther’s deuglifying machine must be due for maintenance. It’s way out of calibration.
Compared to the PPX, this is a Caravaggio.
I’m a huge Walther fan and the PPQ is my favorite piece, but I’ll readily admit their design crew sucks when it comes to typography and overall aesthetics. The PPQ is still a pretty cool looking gun, but that is *despite* the lettering and lines rather than because of them.
That’s what I thought The dimensions appear to be the same.
Why does it look like a hi point slide riding on a shield frame?
That is exactly what I thought!
Stay out of my brain… I’m warning you.
Making reliable firearms more affordable = less frills.
In this case, many $400-$500 pistols have blocky slides because each machining pass into a piece of bar stock costs money that the customer (despite their loud proclamations to the contrary) isn’t willing to pay.
Link goes nowhere. Did TTAG jump the gun on this?
Based on Walther’s Facebook posts, they are supposed to announce at 12:30 central time. So, yes a little.
What the frag is with all the doublestack, duty size 9mm’s? First Ruger comes out with American, now Walther releases the Creed. What the hell do these pistols have or do that isn’t already available with pistols that are already available and have been around a lot longer?
The firearms industry must either believe that Trump is going to win or Hillary is BS-ing on gun control. I am taking a different approach. I am selling most of my double stacks and semiauto rifles to the gun hoarders before they have to go through an FFL and magazine limits are imposed. I am in the market for a 9mm 1911. I will give up 1 round for a thinner full sized gun
You should look at the PPQ 45. It’s just a hair wider in the grip than the PPQ 9, and it’s got the amazing trigger.
I think there is going to be a market for full sized single stack modern pistols if we get magazine limits. The manufacturer who figures that out first will clean up.
How, specifically, will the government regulate the possession or use of high capacity magazines when they can’t stop tons and tons of illegal drugs coming into the USA? THINK before you post.
Ummmm, I’m only halfway through my marketing class for my MBA right now but even with my rudimentary understanding of things, it usually a pretty strong indicator that when manufacturers are flooding the market with a bunch of the same type of product, it’s usually because there is a shitload (not a marketing term) of demand for products with those features. Everyone wants a whack at the piñata, Just my partially educated .02
People here make the mistake of assuming that what the gun BLOG crowd wants is the same thing as what the gun BUYERS crowd wants.
Most people buying a gun couldn’t give a sh*t about “OMG it looks like a Glock” or “Why should I buy this over X, Y, Z”. They usually care mostly about (1) What does it cost, and (2) how does it feel/look.
That’s why while the 50+ regular commenters here will screech “ZOMG SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM”, while out in the real world people will buy it, and buy it in sufficient quantities to demand the creation of similar products.
Note: This is not meant to be derogatory, but its a fact that escapes most of the people posting here, and seems to cause a great deal of angst in doing so.
Hey, I didn’t say that this gun was a solution in search of a problem because I see no solution or problem that this gun solves. Like the Ruger American, Ruger already had the SR pistols, but they threw so many safeties and indicators on the thing it was a joke of a gun. Had Ruger just gone back and removed those safeties and other nonsense, they’d have a really good gun that already had an established share in the market and owners who had the previous SR pistols could keep most of their mags, keep their holsters and other accessories and pay for an updated and upgraded pistol. Kind of what Glock basically does ever 10 years.
BUT no, Ruger had to come out with a disfigured oaf of a gun and call it the American. It’s almost like an anti prog designed the thing and named the model to insult us.
So another company does the same thing and basically makes a pistol that looks like a Hi-Point that went on a diet. Since Walther is pitching a tent about the trigger in the Creed, it better be smoother than Bella Thorne’s breasts after an hour in a sauna.
Well, they do seem pretty good at irritating you. Maybe that’s why they do it.
Why do you care so much? If there is no market for them, or they can’t compete in the existing market, it’s their failure, not yours.
I’d guess (blindly) that they must have something they are calling “Market Research” that suggests to them that an entry like this is worth the engineering, manufacturing and marketing costs.
I like it better than that Remington thing from yesterday…my “creed” is if it works-it works. Form follows function.
The Walther grip
Marriage made in heaven
(witch Ruger imitated for their SR22)
It kind has a similar profile to a Hi Point….
The price is right, but I still think it will have a Rocky road to acceptance.
hunt the hare and turn her down the rocky road?
Needs a companion left handed model “Apollo”
Fighting Canik at that price?
I am wondering what the trigger pull poundage is? It appears to be a double action only gun not a pre-loaded striker system which is basically a modified single action system.
I carry a PPQ. It is smaller and lighter than the Creed with a 15 round magazine. Other than price I don’t see the point. Or maybe that is the point.
The PPQ is a superior weapon in every way, but that is lost on most of the Glock crowd, let alone the Hi-Point/Ruger crowd. The PPQ trigger is too light for the ham-fisted shooters out there also. It scares them to use as a CCW. I effin’ love it and can put more lead downrange more accurately than *any* other gun I’ve owned or tried.
Ahh… another sub $400 Walther destined to become a Sub $250 clearance item.
Am I the only one who thinks that a rail on a pistol is as ugly as a neckbeard?
You are definitely not.
I don’t mind a single slot rail like on a Ruger SR or GLOCK. BUT picatinny on a pistol (or god help us, a 1911) is hideous.
Ditto. A rail destroys the beauty of a 1911 or a Browning Hi-Power (or one of the many clones) for that matter.
I’m buying it. The grip of a PPX with a slide more like a PPQ.
Love my PPX but it’ll have to step aside for the Creed.
I wouldnt care if it was called the Cowboy Bebop. It looks great. Great house and truck gun.
I bought a PPX in 9mm when CDNN had them on sale for $259.00. I put about 1500-2000 rounds through it without a single issue of any kind. Great trigger on it. In the end, I sold it to a buddy of mine because it was just to big for anything but OWB carry and I already have Glocks for that. For what I paid, it was a hell of a gun.
So is it in fact a restyled PPX? I had a PPX and loved it, except for it’s styling (and no aftermarket to speak of). Though the price is up from the PPX (I got mine for $279). I’d rather have a PPQ next time, but count me as interested.
If this is a restyled PPX, then it’s a much better deal than CCP.
I think it is a fabulous name. I should get a discount on mine.
You all can crack all the jokes about the name and all that but I just came from the range and tore a 3 inch hole in my target at 21 feet with 3 mags. almost 1000 rounds and not a single glitch. Trigger feels even better then it did at the start! Its a great gun and well worth more than I paid! I love it!
I got a CREED in July and put about 25 rounds thru it. Does not eject right just falls out and down also jams a lot. I took it home and tried to see if anything was wrong and e-mailed Walther with no response yet. I took it to the range and now the firing pin does not hit primer. Sent another e-mail telling of the problem and got a reply a few days later asking how they can help me. I sent back and said read my e-mail and you will see how you can help. A couple more days now and no reply from them. Web site says lifetime for their products and it just might take that long. In the meantime I was forced to take a Walther PK380 brand new to try in my pistol class that I teach. It does fire but does shoot over 6″ low at 21 feet. Another have box of ammo and got fed up and went home. I will review the 380 some more when the weather warms up some since it is the middle of Dec. None of the two Walthers will be used in my Pistol classes unless something changes for the better and both will be gone soon.