I once was “lucky” enough to win a pump action .22 at an NRA dinner. As pinball addicts declare when a machine refuses to surrender its charms (despite mega flipper time), it was a lot of pay for not much play. I’m not saying Tory Defense’s Pump Action Sporting Rifle isn’t a heap of fun in that “look what they done to my gun, ma” kinda way. Nor am I suggesting that anyone stand in front of it when the business end gets busy would enjoy the experience. But I reckon the Pump Action Sporting Rifle’s utility is pretty limited to embarrassing New York or Connecticut cops when they bust you for possession of an illegal black modern home defense sporting rifle (a.k.a., “assault weapon.”) Oh how they laughed! Click here to check the specs. Resident of the aforementioned (dare I say it) slaves states can read it and weep. [h/t SS]
Home Gun Control New from Troy Defense: Troy Pump Action Sporting Rifle
Shouldn’t have to exist
If it has a pump it better spray!
I have a pump .22 Remington. All I have to do is hold the trigger down and as soon as the pump action has chambered the round the gun automatically fires. 1 trigger pull and I can empty the tubular magazine. I doubt that this Troy rifle is like that. You probably have to pull the trigger for each round fired.
Why not? It would be good for suppressed use. Would be cool if they made a version that can switch between semi and pump.
Using it with a suppressor was my first thought to.
With a pump action, you don’t need to worry about whether rounds will cycle your action so if you want you can even use black powder load.
I will probably pick one of these up eventually.
With an MSRP around $1100?
It better be a really good pump. Geez.
Not having kids = a lot more disposable income. 🙂
Oh, before I clicked through I thought this might be a .22LR and got excited. I’d love a .22LR like this for suppressed use. It would be very practical. In .22LR, manual actions are significantly quieter than semi-autos. The pump-action and lever-action .22LRs on the market are all “old-fashioned” and don’t come with threaded barrels or a detachable magazine. RIP Ruger 96/22. A modern, lightweight suppressed pump-action .22LR would be excellent for pest control and rapid shooting where quietness is paramount.
Threaded, bolt, 5.5 pounds. Sounds like your weapon. (Also not really sure if you’re being sarcastic or not.)
I have a pump action Henry .22 and a bolt action Marlin .22. If I use a .22 short or CB round bothh are very quiet, about the same ammount of noise as is issued from my .177 Gammo air rifle. I do not have a suppressor. I’ve tried the low power rounds from my 10-22 and it’s about the same as the other actions, but you have to cycle it manually. However, when I try a .22 CB from my Mk II it makes as much noise and a regular .22, which makes the Ruger pistol useless if you’re trying to discretely dispatch yard pests. BTW, I don’t reccomend the Gammo for woodchucks, it doesn’t take them cleanly.
As far as this new PAR is concerned, for those of us in states that have been seized by a minority of radical extremeist, like we have been in NY, I think this is a good option. I have an old pump action
30-30 Savage which is a tack driver. I really don’t feel at that much of a disadvantage with the trombone. It’s difficult to fire a semi-auto both rapidly and with accuracy. I shall consider purchasing one when they become available.
I agree. Fantastic for folks who live in slave states and not a bad back-up to have for suppressed use or as a hedge against potential AWBs in the future. AWB? Take your optics and accessories off of your AR, slap’em on your pump gun and you’re back in business.
I… hmm…. I understand the market for this in the occupies territories of CA and NY. But I have to ask if you’re going to be stuck with low capacity magazines anyway why not at least have a more powerful round? Get one of these in .308. or if you want to go CRAZY go all the way up to something like .458 SOCOM.
now that’s an interesting statement, as I understand it, the mag cap ban in NY only applies to semi-auto firearms, this pump should be able to use full capacity magazines.
Nope in California too. The mag capacity issue is distinct from the firearm in which it fits. Capacity in both states is limited to ten rounds–and any larger capacity mag (with an exception for pre-ban mags in California) is illegal.
Are the SAFE Act magazine provisions applicable to all magazines or only to semis?
Pre-ban mags? Fascinating. How is a pre-ban mag determined? For an AR, aren’t there several hundred million 20- and 30-rd mags besides the fact there is no way to tell when they were made? Or the hundreds of millions of OMG POST-ban mags? Can I use my pre-ban mags picked up in TX last summer in my post ban gun?
Do we have some stupid laws, or what?
Because those big scary calibers will get banned by the OMG GUNZ crowd who would be terrified to learn that the .223/5.56 round is generally considered underpowered.
Agreed. Manufacturers need to start marking 30 round AR mags as “10 Round .458 SOCOM” and 20 round mags as “7 Round .458 SOCOM”
That they both hold 30 and 20 rounds of other ammunition is inconsequential. I doubt you can make a .458 SOCOM mag that doesn’t work with .223/5.56/.300 BLK etc. It’s possible I guess but who is going to bother?
Now that is smart.
That’s actually a thing in Canada.
Some of us may already have a supply of .223 and not wish to invest in a different load.
Interesting that you suggest the .458 Socom because that is exactly what I plan to build into a pump-action using a few Troy parts! I already built the Socom as a side-action, but now that I have the PAR in .300 Blackout and see how it’s put together I’m hooked on the whole hog!
The Blackout and Socom both share subsonic loads as their forte, and therefore benefit from a manual action. I’m amazed at the people who express negative feelings about a pump-action AR pattern rifle, yet seem perfectly delighted at the prospect of a BOLT-action rifle that accepts high-capacity mags. Even though the PAR has a pump system, the barrel is completely free-floated so to speak and the rifle is capable of excellent accuracy, with the advantage of the much faster cycling capability of a pump versus bolt. The plain fact is, a PAR-15 is a “better” solution for most people because it’s manually operated, yet can still take the exact same array of magazines as can the semi-auto AR. It’s certainly far better for any sort of suppressor use, and those smart enough to hand load can tailor subsonic loads with minimal charge weights to further reduce noise because there is no concern about the load having to cycle an action. As for speed-shooting…yeah, a person can certainly WASTE ammo much faster from an AR, but when it comes to accurate, aimed fire where every shot counts and just pumping the trigger while playing urban commando won’t cut it, the pump-action will shoot every bit as quickly. Also, a great many civilians seem to have a complete lack of understanding about the difference between cyclic rate and sustained rate of fire. One may be able to yank the trigger really fast and shoot through 100 rounds in a minute, but even at that pedestrian rate, the barrel is overheating. Sustained rate of fire for the AR pattern is around 40-60 shots per minute, or about a shot per second…which is still going to get VERY hot, but is less likely to cause a case separation rendering the gun non-operational. Of course nobody will ever convince bunch of range commandos that a pump AR is as good as the semi.
As for the notion that Californians “have” to buy the PAR, that’s pure hogwash because we can still by “real” AR-15’s just like everybody else. Our cosmetic features ban changes nothing about the basic rifle, and plenty of Californians are still out shooting their AR’s…even the “registered” versions. I didn’t buy a PAR because I had too, but because I saw the advantage to it, which is why my .458 Socom will soon be a pump as well.
Next in 20ga please
In most places, center fire semi autos are capacity neutered for hunting. One of these with a 30 rounder might be a coyote hunter’s best friend if he doesn’t want to carry spare mags.
This will mainly be for trolling cops though.
I thought varmint shooters shot from the prone or with a bipod? Doesn’t that complicate things.
I guess it was only a matter of time before someone designed a rifle with no other purpose than flipping the bird to CA, NY, CT, and NJ.
You can walk in any NJ gun store and buy an AR-15. Just can’t have a bayonet lug, flash suppressor, or one of those “shoulder things that go up.”
Might be a little fun if it can slam fire.
I was wondering to myself if you could get slam firing to work with a slide fire stock. That would be some crazy franken-auto
It would be like trying to aim a shake-weight… 🙂
$$& How much? Where can i order? Agree a 308 with 20 in barrel would be nice,
When it comes in 308 I’ll buy it without hesitation. That’s just my preference.
The problem is that it doesn’t use a standard lower.
If the upper could fit on a standard lower, this would be great, because would provide a concrete example of an upper that is not semi-auto, and thus make it more difficult to ban standard lowers.
Yes, you can simply not install the gas tube and you have a non-semi-auto, but have a dedicated pump upper is even better.
Not sure why some don’t like the pump action, it’s very fast smooth and reliable, and your shooting hand does not need to change location.
Agree. I might actually buy an upper that would work on one of my lowers, like SBR suppressed .308/7.62.
I think I’ll hold out for a lever action AK-47
at Big 5 a few years ago they were selling some combloc pump action .223 ak look alike that only took single stack, proprietary mags. It was… interesting.
It was probably a Romanian PAR-3.
Ain’t nothing “AK lookalike” about it – it’s a real AK, just with the gas system unfinished.
Ironically, at one point they were several hundred less than their semi-auto variant. Some people were buying them, drilling the gas port, toss out the pump mechanism, install a standard gas piston, and go to town.
If Tory wants this for her defense, then I say let her have it.
Hmmm at first I laughed (because I live in a free state… currently). But the folks who called out Hunting as a legit use are dead on. In PA, we can’t hunt with anything semi-auto. This would be a pretty cool hunting rifle if chambered in .308.
(Although, I’m sure you would still get seriously harassed until you showed them it was a pump action…)
I live in PA also, and thought of this as a possible hunting rifle. (For those in other parts of the country) The PA ban on hunting with semi-auto goes back many decades, before all the histeria about “assault” weapons. I’m guessing some old FUD heading up the game commission, decided that no one should be able to “blast away willie nillie” in the woods. If hunting with 3 bullets in his shirt pocket was good enough for him, it was good enough for everyone. Remington used to make a more traditional styled pump action rifle for places like PA, maybe they still do, haven’t checked in a long time. I see one possible BIG advantage, you can use all kinds of .223 ammo and not worry about the action cycling.
From the people who hired Chicago’s anti-gun police chief Jody Weis for a day as an instructor.
From the people who hired Lon Horiuchi’s partner as an instructor… and they stood behind him when his past became known.
Troy Industries should burn at the stake.
+1 Troy is non-existent to me.
Troy Industries is not the same company as Troy Defense
Breech-loading Thompson M1921, here.
I would tend to go for a pinned mag to “safe” a gun…
It reminds me of the AK platform pump actions that went around a while back. I wanted one of those to go beside the real thing and I wouldn’t mind having one of these for the same reason. I think it would make a fun range toy.
James R its easy to build a lever action ak.
Throw in a barrel with no gasport.
Remove the piston.
You know have a bolt action ak47
“…easy to build a lever action ak”
…”You now have a bolt action ak47″
Just kidding though – I get your point. I was just being silly with my previous post.
That isn’t lever action though. Would wish someone would modernize the savage 99. As in 7.62×39 and AK mags instead of the rotary (rotary could be an secondary option).
Keep wishing for it. There may be prototypes being made, just saying.
At first I giggled at this until I read some of the comments. Thanks for setting me straight 😉
I get why people don’t like this, but I kinda want to shoot it. It looks like it would be fun to try out and then give back. I don’t think I would enjoy paying over a grand for it.
I actually think the stock looks pretty cool – too bad it won’t work with a standard AR setup.
IMO all guns are fun to shoot, only exception is something that jams a lot.
Interesting concept, but I would never buy one. Or any troy product for that matter.
One thing to keep in mind, if your so called assault weapon was manufactured before September 13, 1994 it’s exempt from CT’s AWB. See http://ccdl.us/blog/2013/10/17/preban-assault-weapons/
Which just demonstrates how capricious the whole ban is.
I like the “integrated pump action” – sort of sounds like a GI Joe doll with “animated chopping fist” or somesuch.
“Integrated pumping action for Moms Who Demand Action”
At $1200-1300 too much for a non semi-automatic.
Robert, the tone of your post seems to indicate that you are not a fan of pump action rifles. Back in the day, that was the std. firearm of all shooting galleries chambered in .22 rimfire. As I posted above, I live in PA where hunting with a semi-auto is a no-no and has been since before I was around. Not that I’m a fan of Troy industries, but I hope you can get one of these to review, because I think it might be an interesting rifle.
Well, it’s silly, it’s stupid, but I kind of like it. It looks great, and I’m sure it’ll make somebody very happy. Hell, if I had more disposable income, I’d buy one.
I kinda want one for a trunk gun, so I don’t have to worry in case I accidentally cross the NY border. Also, because it’s not semi-auto it can have a threaded barrel, proper A2 flash supp. and even a bayonet lug (just because).
But why the F are they selling it with a 30 round mag? That doesn’t fly in CT or NY.
Troy makes and sells a 10 round mag that looks like a 30 round mag for sale in the slave states.
Was there not already pump ar pistols from the clinton era.the panther or some such
Robert, was your free .22 pump gun an import? I ask because a good old pump rifle in .22 rim fire is one of the most fun guns ever built… Try to find a Winchester 1890 pump in good shooting condition these old rifles with their crescent butt and octagon tube are just about the defination of a fun gun. They were one caliber guns later modifications of the design would eat shorts, longs and long rifle ammo but these early models were one size only. They are easy to modify and in fact a lot of the shooter grade that were shipped in .22 long ave been converted to take long rifle as the longs are so hard to find these days the later pump .22 rim fire guns from all the American makers were fun as well but they tend to not have held up as well as those first generation 1890s and many of them esp the ones in .22short or the ones modified to shoot .22 CB or .22bb ammo were gallery guns and can just be worn out… But shop with care and you can have a gun that will make you grin
I would love to have a Henry pump .22 myself–or better yet, a pump .22 magnum. I shot a friend’s Iver Johnson pump .22 that he inherited from his grandma. I would have made him an offer on it, but it had sentimental value to him so I didn’t bother. Funny thing, tho, I’m really not that smooth on a pump, either a shotgun or the .22. Still fun tho.
Kind of intriguing….
OK, maybe not.
Yuo mispsellde Tory.
Anyone remember the Colt Lightning? It is on my list. A friend has fired one (a reproduction Uberti most likely) and said it was a blast and very fast. In a proper caliber (6.5 Gendel,.308, .300) this would make an excellent hunting rifle.
Back in the day a bunch of the old guys hunted with pump action shotguns. I knew some of them that bought pump rifles just to keep things simple. Mostly .22s but some heavier calibers as well. They were hunting/farm pest control guns.
I had a brief fling with a Savage pump action .30-30. It was a handy rifle that worked well in the thick cover we found ourselves in a lot. 4 in the tube and 1 in the chamber if I remember correctly. And unlike the winchester and marlin lever guns of the time the Savage had a working safety.
Now, would I pay 11oo bucks for a black rifle wannabe pump gun? Not only no, but hell no.
Wife has a taurus thunderbolt a lightning reproduction in .45lc.
Low recoil, fun to shoot, and 14+1 capacity with a loading gate. Also costs under $700.
I think they make’m in .357 magnum too.
I like pump and lever action rifles. I wish there were more of them.
I wish something like the KSG in .357 magnum existed, with a 20″ barrel and dual 12 round tubes. with 24+1 of .357 in a 20″ barreled bullpup carbine, you would be very well armed.
I like then too. Had a .223 pump. Prefer levers, though. With the hottest ammo, even little .357 lever carbines, are pretty much running neck to neck with AKs ballistics wise. Nicely tac’d out, they’re cool little Cowboy Kalashnikovs.
I live in a free state GA, but I don’t particularly care for AR’s. I do like the Ruger Mini 14. This actually looks interesting. I would buy one at the right price. Lke others though would prefer it in 308 or 300BLK or even in 7mm mag. But then I like lever action as well.
A new spin on the ol’ “Amish Machine Gun” pump centerfire concept.
Problem with this stuff is, it validates gun ban advocates a bit. “See, the industry responded!” – “What do you mean you just like the AR-15 because it’s adaptable and modular? Oh, you can get one in pump action, no problem!”
Kinda like the rare but extant CO/NJ legal 15-rd AR mags.
Maybe.. but heck, people like that would just want to ban this rifle, too. “It looks so scary!”
“Tory Defense”….I wonder if that was intentional.
Work on it, give it bolt rifle accuracy in .308 or 300 win mag, and I’ll buy one!
“Type: mil-spec rifle”
You gotta be shiting me, I got turds more mil-spec than that thing
I wonder if it be legal here in Australia. Semi-Autos are no-no for most people (unless you’re shooting animals for a living) but pump action rifles (unlike shotguns) are mostly legal (except in Western Australia, the 7615 is banned there because it takes AR mags).
However, there’s some bullsh*t in the legislation about “military appearance” or something like that. A few years ago Heckler & Koch tried to sell R8 (manually operated straight-pull version of SL8) here but it got banned because the government said it be converted to semi-auto (and I’m pretty sure its legal in UK).
Not a new idea. I remember a pump-action AR-15 that was reviewed in Soldier Of Fortune magazine in the 1990s as a way around the Clinton assault weapons ban. It looked externally like a AR-15A2 with handguards that allowed the barrel to free-float. The handguard was two concentric tubes and you used the outer tube as the pump mechanism.
Even this was banned downunder, along with those Romanian pump-action AKs, because under our enlightened post-Port Arthur gun laws even replicas of self-loading rifles were banned.
Anyone ever shoot the Taurus Thunderbolt? I know it’s not an AR but wouldn’t it pass muster in slave states?
You are assuming that the police would not arrest the owner for having an “Assault Rifle” and let the courts sort it out.
It’s a nice weapon, wish I owned one. In saying that believe it or not I was unable to make a comment on anoter subject. I was knocked of of this blog when I tried to make a comment on another subject, on Nevada and Sen. Reed. My comments were refused and I was knocked every time. I think we are being watched!
Troy looks like they may have a game changer here. Good to see ingenuity alive and well.
I see an new market for this new rifle… down under.
No they won’t. A previous effort was banned because it was a “replica” of an assault rifle which is specifically banned in the Firearms Act.
This seems like a pretty viable concept for a good, all-purpose rifle that’s 50-state legal. If I did a lot of travel that took me to states like CA/NY/MA/etc., this would be a nice defensive/sporting rifle to bring along.
Ingenuity is a good thing. Unfortunately, that’s a two way street.
Eventually the anti’s in counter-RKBA jurisdictions will decide to go after this gun too, because its a “unregulated assault weapon!”. And every other manual action rifle will go down the tubes with it.
Unfortunately, if the standard capacity 30rd mags are AR interchangeable, we wouldn’t be able to use them in NY because standard capacity magazines are banned. 🙁
Troy Industries hired the former ATF sniper who murdered Randy Weaver’s wife and got away with it. They will never get a dime of my money.
It will be banned by name.
if it didn’t cost a lot more than even a CA/NY legal semiauto build, I’d be interested. Especially in 300 blackout
I will look into buying one being a resident here of NY, as then I can finally have a cool-looking rifle. Also it should be 50-state legal. And pump-action is a timeless technology IMO.
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My buddy and I each bought one and we love them! We live in N.Y. Unfortunately, and I don’t have to register it and it shoots great! The mags are cumbersome since they are the size of 30s but only hold ten. I’ve grown up with pump shotguns for deer hunting and prefer them over semi autos anyway. This is my new go to coyote/ woodchuck gun, only weighs 6 lb. It also fits in my pack! I’m told the next model will be in 308! I will probably buy that one also for deer! Their customer svc has been outstanding!
I just ordered the TROY Sporting Rifle – PAR. Paid $944 – Yes I live in the communist land of New York. I like the quality of this gun. The fact that I won’t have the gas fouling that semi-autos do is nice and there will be a little more oomph going down the barrel. I’m looking forward to receiving it.
Can anyone give me enough information so that I can remove the folding stock and fit an extendable stock – very important with Australian firearm laws. I really need an adapter Troy PAR to extendable M4 stock.
I bought the .308 for $777 off of Guns America. It’s great. I’ve got a Nikon Monarch 3 BDC on it and am getting 1/2″ groups with LC brass, Nosler 125gr Ballistic Tips and 4198. It’s also great for trolling for Bunny Cops. PA won’t let you use a semi rifle for any hunting, but from a distance, you can’t tell the difference. I’m sure it will lure them in to pounce and embarrass themselves. Next, we add a SureFire can.