TTAG’s had its issues with Charter Arms. Or vice versa. Charter really, really didn’t like it when we pointed out that the Son of Sam spree killer (a.k.a. the “.44 caliber killer”) made their Bulldog famous. We also gave their Target Mag Pug one star. And so on. Now the all-American revolver maker’s gone and introduced a 9mm version of the Pitbull, caps lock and all. “The 9mm Rimless Revolver PITBULL uses the same unique rimless cartridge extractor assembly system as the Charter Arms .40 cal Rimless Revolver. A dual coil spring assembly located in the extractor allows insertion and retention of a 9mm cartridge in each chamber of the revolver’s cylinder. After firing, the shooter can easily eject the spent cartridges for immediate reloading . . .
That would be the same system Dan slated at SHOT show for the fact that you had to prise out the spent cartridges with a blade. Of course, it’s certainly possible that the press gun was pressed into service a few too many times and Charter’s sorted its S out and anyway . . .
Nick Ecker, President of Charter Arms, added, “Shooting enthusiasts will appreciate owning an American made revolver in 9mm and finding ammo is readily available and affordable. With its reduced recoil, the PITBULL is user friendly for even the beginning shooter.”
Note to Charter: the world’s most popular firearms blog is ready to test a sample. Fair and slightly mentally unbalanced, that’s us.
Specs for the 9mm Rimless Revolver PITBULL include:
Model #: 79920
Capacity: 6 shot
Barrel length: 2.2″
Frame: Stainless Steel Glass Beaded
Grip: Neoprene
Overall length: 6.75″
Height: 5″
Weight: 22 oz.
Hammer: Spurred
MSRP: $465
I really, really, want to like Charter Arms. But I can’t. I know revolvers are actually quite a bit more complicated than semi-autos, but their reliability should be >> Glock since they are not dependent on ammo or mags.
Dude, wrong on all accounts… revolvers are less complicated, less ammo dependent and much more reliable… they do not suffer magazine issues, feed issues ejection issues and 90% less extraction issues
they are less sensitive to lubrication and cleaning issues and work when ammo would fail in an auto
Revolvers are simpler than blowbacks less moving parts good backup guns many blowbacks are sensitive to what types of loads you use this is a great backup or boot gun better than 38 imo available ammo
Why would I get a 9mm revolver instead of a .38? I would go for the .38.
Why would I get a .38 when I can get a .357?
Why would I get a .357 when I can get a .44? Why would I get a .44 when I can get a .50? Why would I get a .50 when I can get a… Everyone is most comfortable with some specific weapon. If 9mm is all you can handle, then go 9mm.
That,.. and $20 on the 100ct box of 9mm at Walmart keeps me shooting every weekend. I really hope Charter get’s their stuff together on this on.
the 9mm is much more powerfull than the 38 spcl. 9mm 124 gr @1100 fps,
38 125 gr @900fps. and the ammo for the 9mm is cheaper.
ammunition cost and availability
The 9mm has much better ballistics than the 38spc. Over all autos nowadays are very reliable. I own Makarovs, bersas, Berettas, S&Ws and Sig to name a few in ascending price. I clean the every 2 to 3 hundred rounds and only a Sig had a failure to feed, but I switched barrels from 40 to .357 Sig and my mags are for 40 cal. I believe new .357 Sig mags will alleviate this issue, but I don’t carry that pistol. I am considering a 9mm revolver, but cannot justify it yet, when capacity and speed of reloading come to mind.
isn”t this the extraction system that when you load the revolver you have to firmly push each round in till it snaps in place or it might not seat properly? i’ve only owned 1 charter arm’s, a 38 back in the 80’s. it was decent enough but it wasn’t a j frame.
I too look at this handgun and immediately say to myself…why??? With so many other revolver options in a better caliber and so many better 9mm options…
And how is a 9mm six-shot revolver any better than the M&P 9c or Glock 19, which are roughly the same price point and, even here in Calfornia, carry more ammo? Or is the 9mm revolver a solution in search of a problem?
they are not in the same price range the glock is $100 or more over the S&W and the S&W $100 or more over the Charter Arms. Both are substantially larger and as such MUCH more difficult to conceal… and street prices of the Charter are MUCH cheaper…
Aren’t there some design details of the cartridge shells and bullets why 9, 40, and 45 caliber should be left to the semi-auto handguns?
Something about recoil dislodging (lengthening and preventing advancement of the cylinder) the bullets?
I read about it long ago. Something about the end of the shell casing and also the shape of the bullet head too. I’m not sure. I think a bigger problem is trying to make 38, 357, 44, usable in a semi-auto. There were also comments about how the 9, 40, and 45 semi auto could not be made to work in a lever action carbine as Marlin has with the 38, 357, and 44. Cartridge design and ballistics are way out of my areas of knowledge.
it has to do with the rimmed design of the 38, 357 and 44. think loading a 22 round into a mag for an auto pistol,only on a large scale. the lentgh of these rounds is a problem in designing an auto loader also. revolver rounds tend to be longer which makes for a grip that is much deeper from front to back.
“Bullet head” Media-speak for bullet.
“Bullet” Media-speak for cartridge.
I remember something like that. The recoil would unseat the bullet slightly from the casing such that the last bullets in the cylinder would stick out too far for the cylinder to rotate. Magnum handgun ammo has an extra tight crimp for that and the pressure that a 9mm doesn’t normally have.
Yes. Here’s the straight poop:
Revolver loads are crimped into a cannelure in the bullet to prevent the bullet from moving. The rim of the case is slightly crimped into the groove on the bullet, and this doesn’t matter to headspacing the cartridge because a rimmed case headspaces on the rim.
Semi-auto chamberings, however, must not be roll crimped into the bullet because the case headspaces on the mouth of the case. Semi-auto rimless ammo uses a “taper crimp” which won’t hold the bullet as positively as a roll crimp into a cannelure.
Under heavy recoil, non-crimped rounds can “walk” the bullet out of the case slightly.
Personally, I think using moon or half-moon clips to burn semi-auto ammo in a wheelgun is a “solution in search of a problem.” It isn’t as tho there’s a lack of weapons that will launch a 9, .40 or .45 round downrange. Why use a revolver? Use a semi-auto to launch semi-auto ammunition, and a revolver to launch rimmed ammo (ie, there’s no reason to own a Desert Eagle just to launch .44 Mag revolver ammo).
Everyone,
Thanks for your replies and thoughts on the issue. I appreciate it.
rumor and myth, were that the case, they would create feed issues in the auto due to an over length cartridge which would not fit in the chamber, thus preventing the slide from closing all the way. The only difference is in extraction, Halfmoon clips have been used for close to 100 years in many calibers with no issues, and in fact, were preferred as the acted like speed loaders before speed loaders were invented. the extractor on this pistol makes half moons unnecessary
i had to shake the cobwebs loose from my head on this one. a 9mm revolver only makes since if you bought one of those ruger blackhawks that were being sold in the 70’s. one cylinder for 38 and 357 and one for 9mm. the extraction system was old school loading gate with a push rod.
The 9mm revolver is a solution for those who own a full sized 9mm and
want a backup in the same caliber, or possibly for those who want cheap ammo,
so it does serve a niche, just a small one.
That being said, I own a snub nose, and it’s a .38.
Common man: moon-clips > unreliable extraction
Charter Arms engineer: unreliable extraction > moon clips
wrong fool! half moons create the most positive extraction a revolver can have as it distributes the extraction over the entire ctg circumference preventing cant on extraction
when are these wannabes going to get the engineering degrees they THINK they have??
I don’t know why I’d bother, when Charter .44s are so awesome. Look, Charter, I know the whole Son of Sam thing is uncomfortable, but .44 is a nearly perfect self defense cartridge. It’s been doing the job since the black powder days. Give me 5 shots of .429″ wadcutter, and I’ll storm the gates of hell itself. And you make the smallest 5-shot double action .44 revolver! What’s not to like? The design is great, and I’ll bet it wouldn’t take much to clean up that trigger. You’ve got a piece of American history in your portfolio. Ride it hard and put it away wet.
Jason while you hit it 75% of the way, the 44 misses on one point, for most people it isn’t easily concealed. And that is Charters biggest niche. Small framed revolvers. we all can conceal almost anything in cold weather but when the weather say tee shirt and shorts or heat stroke, you are pretty much screwed if all you have is a full sized piece of artillery. They need to market the .327 fed mag better, and put adjustable sights on it, a semi-shrouded, spurred hammer (make it usable in single action) with a 2 1/2 inch barrel and a 4 inch barrel while they are at it. this would give a 6 round piece in a 5 round .38 cal sized unfluted cylinder giving good power and concealability for anyone who can handle the power, and the ability to use .32 hr mag for those who cant handle the recoil. As for the real bulldog… absolutely! I GOT MINE!
I’d love to see the return of the .44 Special as a readily available round–on the shelf in the store, not order on-line, I mean. I’d even be pleased with an uploaded .45 Colt round in a modern revolver. But a 9mm revolver doesn’t do it for me. Mogg says that it would be good for people with a 9mm semi-auto, but the technique for loading one is different from loading the other, so you’ll either be carrying two different spares or working rounds out of one to feed into the other. In addition, revolvers stay relevant because they can handle wide variations in power that would choke a self-loader, and they can fire Magnum cartridges without having to rig up some walloping great gas mechanism like the Desert Eagle.
All of that being said, if someone wants to give me a Medusa, I’ll take it.
Loading one of these is easier for most people than a auto pistol is, thanks to speed loaders, speed strips and other techniques. In fact the rimless revolvers from Charter and speed strips are a perfect combo. In reality more people have “limp wrist” issues than have revolver reload issues and this is a perfect option for them. Don’t forget true defensive revolver ammo is rapidly disappearing. And magnum loads for hunting don’t fill the niche due to the risk of over penetration and resulting collateral damage. Even the .38 spl is at risk of this, where a 9mm+P falls perfectly in place due to the lighter bullet. ( gag did I actually admit that out loud?) No I don’t like the 9mm BUT given the niche this revolver is meant to fill, the pair do work admirably well. in a longer barrel, I’d look to a different caliber. But that is the ballistician in me, and yes I am speaking seriously… everything needs to balance to work. And a small revolver is prime for the ballistics of a 9mm. And bear in mind that a +P round delivers a rapid pressure curve, not more powder, DIFFERENT faster burning powder, so in a short barreled revolver it is going to be more effective percentage of power wise than a longer barrel, as the cylinder gap will bleed off much of the pressure by the time the bullet exits the muzzle on a longer barrel. So the shorter barrel will sow a greater PERCENTAGE of gain, not necessarily the greatest power. Again we are talking about balances here. these are all things to consider. and as I stated earlier the biggest issue to look at is concealability, the main reason for these revolvers. Who wants to pass out due to heat stoke from dressing to conceal a weapon in the heat? even the subcompact glock prints under a teeshirt or summer weight polo
The only thing that distinguishes this revolver from a .38 is the cost of ammo, at the cost of increased complexity and more to go wrong. Not sure it’s worth the effort. And for lead round nose, the difference in price is negligible. True, it is easier to find 9 in a variety of bullets almost anywhere, but I see .38 Special at Wally World too.
here is nothing more complicated in these than any other revolver. In fact due to the Charter Arms design they are less complicated than Colt or S&W. The difference in these is a simple spring “blade” in the extractor. nothing complicated and hardly Fragile. and since you are not going to be shooting thousands of rounds a month out of this class revolver it isn’t prone to wearing out.
Add my vote for a return of the .44 Special as a self-defense round.
There’s no need for a .44 Magnum in a CCW piece, and the flash and horrific report of a .44 Mag in a short barrel length weapon is plenty of reason to not use it. The .44 Special, however, is like the .45 Colt: Highly under-utilized in CCW applications.
What I want is a reliable, five-shot revolver in .44 Special or .45 Colt, with a 2.5 to 3″ barrel, and 32 ounces or less in weight. The Charter Arms Bulldog is OK, but I’d like a better execution of the concept. Why S&W won’t *consistently* produce a .44 Special in stainless or one of the lightweight alloys is one of the mysteries of the gun market I do not understand.
You could just load down your .44 Mags to .44 Special specs. It’s not like the gun is sensitive to load power, as in a semi. Just a thought.
If you’re packing a .44 Mag just to shoot down-loaded rounds, you’re packing around a lot of extra weight you don’t need. As soon as a gun gets heavy, you get less inclined to carry it.
That’s what people miss in the CCW weapon design space. It’s not what I “could” do to make it fit the requirements, it’s that I want a weapon that is well thought out in all aspects to be a weapon that I strap on every day when I get dressed. That means it has to be light, concealable, effective, etc. I want a weapon that “just works,” is light enough to not be wearing to pack around all day, and shoots a bullet big enough to be very effective.
If push comes to shove, I might just have to build my own.
“I want a weapon that “just works,” is light enough to not be wearing to pack around all day, and shoots a bullet big enough to be very effective.”
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Sounds like a recipe for a compact 1911 from a reputable manufacturer. 😉
Dyspeptic Gunsmith:
“What I want is a reliable, five-shot revolver in .44 Special or .45 Colt, with a 2.5 to 3″ barrel, and 32 ounces or less in weight. ”
How about the S&W Governor? It’s a six-shot, 29.6 ounce revolver with a 2.75 inch barrel capable of firing .45 Long Colt, .45 ACP (with 2-shot mini-moon clips), and the .410 2.5 inch shot shell. It’s a fun combo and a blast to shoot. MSRP of $679.
Try it, you’ll like it.
All of these .410/.45 Colt revolvers are again, solutions in search of a problem IMO. I’ve looked at them very closely, and for a nightstand gun, maybe. For a CCW gun? No way. Part of what makes a good CCW gun is that the overall length is short, so you can get it out of a holster as quickly as possible.
What I want is simple: A light, 5-shot revolver in .44 Special or .45 Colt, with an exposed but bobbed hammer. I want it in stainless, with a 2.5 to 3.0 inch barrel, I want it to come in under 30 ounces (unloaded) weight.
S&W has done something like this, the S&W 396:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/ProductPR/Night%20Guard%20396.pdf
The problem is, the gun rags have everyone thinking that the best guns for CCW are all semi-autos, and now we have a rash of perfectly silly CCW pistols. The few gun rag scribblers who admit that there’s some advantages to a revolver all seem to fixate on the .357 Mag.
The revolvers that make sense (small, with big, slow, low pressure rounds) aren’t in big enough demand by the public, and S&W ends up dropping them. The Charters and Taurus products just aren’t up to the level of fit and finish I’d want in a revolver – at least not without my working on said revolver for a couple days to clean a lot of things up. But when one of the things that I’d have to clean up is the timing of the lock-up… that’s when I decide that I need to look elsewhere.
IMO, everyone in the damn gun rags who advocates for a .357 or .44 Mag revolver as a carry gun should be forced to light off two rounds from one of their magnums indoors in a small room, without hearing protection. That will cure their adolescent fascination with “Magnum Mental Masturbation” in a hell of a hurry.
actually the only time i am glad to live in ca. my wife wants one of those 410/45 revolvers. they ain”t legal here so i don”t have to try to talk her out of it.
Great comments. They are ones to reflect upon. You wrote:
“The problem is, the gun rags have everyone thinking that the best guns for CCW are all semi-autos, and now we have a rash of perfectly silly CCW pistols. The few gun rag scribblers who admit that there’s some advantages to a revolver all seem to fixate on the .357 Mag.”
It would be great if a quality 44 special revolver was offered in a CCW piece. I prefer wheel guns for home defense and the same if I start CCW. I bought my SP101 for it’s overall quality build and design, and not to fire 357. I’m experimenting and researching ballistics now. I’m not really much interested in the 357 magnum selection. I am interested in the 38 special +p HP type of round for defense.
aharon, the gun i carry at home is a j frame smith. i use the load that is called the “fbi” load. a +p round with a 158 grain lead semi wadcutter hollowpoint. i also have this load in my smith model 10. it has a reputation as a formidable load and i’ve found it to be accurate in fixed sighted guns.
jwm,
Thank you for your reply! I appreciate it. You might be interested in going to the website of Grant Cunningham. He is a gunsmith that specializes in s&w, colt, and ruger revolvers and teaches self-defense classes using the revolver.
check these two links out to his site:
http://www.grantcunningham.com/blog_files/stopping_power_series.html
http://www.grantcunningham.com/self_defense_articles.html
BTW, I believe Grant uses the same load that you do.
Excuse me but are you aware of the ballistics of the 44 mag and the 45 colt? you disparage the 44mag yet uphold the 45 colt when they are so close in smokeless powder they are almost the same. There is NO measurable noise difference and the muzzle and cylinder blast on the .45 is GREATER than that of the .44 magnum. I suggest you return to the books on THAT part of your comment. Now as to the viability of the .44 SPL. on that you are correct. however the muzzle flash out of a 3 inch barrel is greater than a 44mag 0ut of an 8 3/8 inch… you really need to hit the books and follow up with real world experience…
For those who ask “why a 9mm revolver” some of us just flat out like revolvers more than semis. I like to say that an automatic pistol is a machine, but a fine revolver is a work of art.
As for “why 9mm” my primary thought would be cheap ammo. As I’ve groused about elsewhere on TTAG, the big commie ammo factories don’t seem to want to crank out .38 Spl or .357 Mag so my only choices are to reload (time consuming) or buy retail (at roughly 2x the cost of bulk 9mm.)
Having said that, I’ve been exposed to enough Charter Arms products to stay away. They’re definitely on the bargain-basement end of things. S&W made a couple of 9mm revolvers in the 80’s and 90’s, interestingly they fetch high prices now because of their rarity, especially the K frame 9mm (the numerical designation escapes me at the moment.)
The S&W 9mm revolver that didn’t use moon clips was a Model 547. A friend has one, and the extractor mechanism is obviously rather unique. There is also a little pin in the frame that sits above the firing pin; its job is to keep the tapered 9mm cases from moving rearward during firing. Overall, it’s a neat little gun, and an interesting piece of wheelgun history.
Charter is on another upswing… Hopefully this time it will stay. Like so many smaller companies they have suffered financial duress and been traded back and forth multiple times, often at the cost of quality. One of the biggest losses in this was the AR-7 survival rifle. When Charter had it I never sold a new one, even on special order. Every one had to be refit for reliability. everytime a new magazine was bought the magazine had to be fit… Now that Henry has it this has been taken care of. but the price went up, above that of inflation but worth it. Ihave only dealt with a few of the new Charter rimless revolvers and found no issues. My old 44 bulldog is pre problem era… Hopefully they have got it right this time. We desperately NEED the product they offer, since any alternative is import… and both S&W and Colt are ver pricing themselves out of revolvers and Ruger doesn’t really offer anything worth it. Lets face it a DAO short barrel revolver is a setup for failure. where is there any option for accuracy? If you can stand there and blast dao, you should be heading for cover, if you are shooting from behind cover you can shoot single action. and a dao auto is a lot different than a dao revolver. Sorry ruger you screwed up. Real combat shooters don’t buy dao revolvers not even for back up, we value our lives too damned much!
How about this for why. When the antis get around to banning all semi-autos, you will have something “legal” to use with all the 9mm ammunition…
Does anyone know if it will be offered with a 4 inch barrel?
I’m not familiar with charter. if the reviews say they are of good quality on reliability , I would love to have a 9mm revolver. For conceal and carry.
I am a revolver fan. I have three Smiths and a Ruger at present. I have a few semis in .45 and one 9mm to use up the cheap 9mm ammo I have. I will buy the 9mm Charter if the reviews are favorable because it is a revolver and the ammo is cheap (and effective). I will then ditch the 9mm semi. There is no fuss with a revolver. Since I use a handgun for defense and shooting pleasure and not in conjunction with knocking down doors I think five or six well placed shots will do me.
As someone who has shot real world defensive combat scenarios and teaches it, I will tell you, GET THAT FIVE OR SIX WELL PLACED SHOTS CRAP OUT OF YOUR HEAD! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! Do you think every cop who is forced to shoot is a bad shot? No. those who do take down an opponent in less than a full magazine are either psychotic, or damned lucky. Once the shooting starts and adrenaline hits your system your eyes dilate, your ability to focus on your sights is massively reduced. You shake so much you cant instinctively point, and you end up spraying not aiming, because YOU CANT. This alone is WHY you NEVER use a .22LR for defense. the round is too small to do sufficient damage to vital organs to bring a perp down in time before you need to reload and they are physically on you. You need to shut down the brain by stopping blood flow to it. hence the DOUBLE TAP but no matter how you do it you still have to hit the COM or you lose. You do not practice to fail you practice to succeed. I support small revolvers for WHEN you cant carry bigger, like a howitzer… and no I’m not joking. I’ve got a ten inch custom .50 Beowulf AR pistol I’ve been known to carry depended on where I was going. No I am NOT Joking. There are times when you have to carry small. The charter is perfect. But it is 5 rounds. that’s all and if you come up against some hopped up doper good luck. DO NOT think it will always replace a higher capacity auto, in fact it may be the backup the auto needs. We call that a Chicago reload.
Waiting for one of these for a long time. The reason being that a 9mm length cylinder would make a much more concealable revolver. Not having that feature, this one seems to have no real purpose.
Saw one once built on a standard S&W frame, builder unknown. The barrel was set back to meet the cylinder and barely protruded beyond the front of the frame. I’d rather see one on a shortened frame.
Cabelas screwed me too, with the same backorder huff on a already overpriced Ultra super High Capacity magazine (17rnd) . I told’em to cancel the mag, took their $20 off $150″cabelas Buck” rebate/ (think of it as a Cabela’s Peso!) I’m happy I scored their gouge $400 MT050 BiBs for about $90 American Pesos.
They cancel my wish list ammo componets every day after add’em.
I’ve heard they hold ammo back, then let the shevles empty within minutes of the few Blazer 45’s they put, out and repeat the process throughout the day. Keep it! It Might as well be a Bass Pro, since they have implemented their bait and switch tactics (~1 item from a sale ad, who a lil’ ol lady just bought 2 minutes ago. ) I try to buy local, but a guy has to buy it at a reasonable “sensible” price these days…if ya can find it.
FWIW I’ve read a local guys post. that claims he works @ Wal-Mart’s warehouse distribution center in MO. he says that they are not shipping any less ammo, to the stores. He says that, it’s just all of the jackoffs, that see it or hear about it, buy it! Before it even hits the glass case. And then of course double the price of sale @www.upthewazoo.com
Know them by their fruits. I too have doubt the sincerity of at least one so-called gun magazine and two small supposed pro-gun organizations.
The gun magazine recommended against open carry to avoid upsetting people. While I might that I would be more comfortable in open carry among supporters, I question the sincerity of the magazine because of the anti-open-carry attitude instead of changing the culture to pro-open-carry.
Concealed Carry of Northern Illinois is defunct. Its leader mainly opposed ISRA and also supported the gun ban bills of the time, saying it would cause them to be voted out of office. Clear reasons to not support this front group.
Glenn of the Stateline Rifle Association wrote against the candidates supported by NRA and ISRA. The SRA also promoted the magazine the new American.
Just like the Orwellian named magazine, the new American. I subscribed for 1 year and all it did was oppose Republicans. While there are problems there, it did no reporting on the anti-Constitutional and dishonest things the Democrats were doing at the time.
Stand for high principles or you’ll fall for anything. Like falling for communism or a free lunch for life. I can only hope that people start to understand the high principles and value them to avoid falling the deceptions.
Shawn would please inform us who the Leader of the NRA is?
I have not talked to an FFL in Kentucky that has ever sold one of these in 9mm, none has ever stocked one, none has ever been offered one by their distributors. What is Charter Arms doing?
The .40cal is out there, but to not get a single 9mm version to my whole state in 2 years seem bizarre.
Maybe their is something wrong with them and they just send the few hand-built ones they have to writers???
A 9mm revolver makes a lot of sense if I want to buy a 9mm semi auto and a 9mm carbine, my wife likes to shoot, she cannot operate the slide to chamber a round and I only want to buy 1 caliber of ammunition.
This was my solution to the issue.
As for moon clips not being a valid idea……ask Jerry Miculek about his 625 S&W.
For my Ruger SR9C with ambidextrous safety on hip/buttocks Its faster and safer than pocket carry with or without a chambered round I would never put anything on the small of my back because its not a quick draw and if you fall on your back you will be crippled and certainly could not pull it on the guy who just pushed you down. I own a nice Kydex and Leather tuckable that cost 3 times as much and it works OK but I prefer the Versacarry for comfort and conceal. The only time I can see a wad of shirt pulling my trigger accidentally is if I’m tucking the shirt but this is not a tuckable model (they say they are making one). My gun is polymer and the sweat on my slide is wiped off with a silicon rag after use. If you are going to carry while exercising you’re not interested in safety so go ahead and chamber the round while you are running or playing a pick-up game of b-ball with the kids (sarcasm). And a further note; the average difference in draw time between chambered and not is .34 seconds according to youtube video girl I just finished watching. There are few instances you can shoot a man (texas) and I would have to be POSITIVE of the situation i.e. is it a kidnapper or someone’s nanny you are about to kill. Who’s committing the crime at the liquor store, the one standing at the register or the one with the drawn gun trying to prevent a robbery of the one by the register? You better take more than .34 seconds thinking about the situation or you will spend a long time in jail with the guys you just wounded. Fast draws can be overrated. I want a gun with a lot of bullets because there’s usually more than one bad guy so my clip of choice would be a double stack without the extra magazine. If you fire more than that and are reloading clips you may be seen as the offender instead of the defender and your gun insurance lawyers won’t touch your case. Sorry, to get to the point: Take it from a gun owner who has never shot himself yet, the Versacarry is great!
Bottom line, I own this gun and have fired hundreds of rounds through it. It sucks. It’s garbage. Don’t count on it in any situation. Rounds will hang up, it will shake slugs loose from cartridge crimps, It can’t be speed loaded as spent cartridges won’t clear. This is a one shot gun if you’re lucky. Don’t rely on it.