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I have never been able to think of the day as one of mourning; I have never quite been able to feel that half-masted flags were appropriate on Decoration Day. I have rather felt that the flag should be at the peak, because those whose dying we commemorate rejoiced in seeing it where their valor placed it. We honor them in a joyous, thankful, triumphant commemoration of what they did.

– Benjamin Harrison

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  1. My dad died in 1967 on the USS Liberty when I was two years old. Today is a day to remember those who died.

        • Blue on blue is one of the saddest parts of any conflict.
          That one was bad.

          May your dad RIP.

        • You should look up the USS Liberty, it was as Tom said, a blue on blue event. The Liberty was a USN sigint ship iirc off the Sinai during the 6 day war that Israel attacked. Mistakenly, or so they said. I have no opinion on their claims, but I doubt their version of events.

          @ Remember:

          Sorry for your loss, sincerely.

        • sometimes it’s hard to tell just who your friends are…and people are quick to forget just what happened there…and I ain’t talkin’ about Vietnam!….

        • Funny how we went to war with North Vietnam over the Gulf of Tonkin incident, where there were no US casualties…

          But USS Liberty? Where 34 Americans died and 171 were injured? Nah- we cover that up.

          How long until this thread gets deleted.

      • The Liberty was a friendly fire incident when the Israelis shot up an American intel ship during one of their wars of survival.

        Like when a US pilot killed a bunch of brits during one of the middle east wars. Lit up their APC by mistake. Wars are won by the side that makes one less mistake from the other side.

        • Except there’s reason to believe that the USS Liberty was not “lit up by mistake.”

        • arriving on the site after after the incident and attempting to kill all the survivors instead of rescuing them can hardly be defined as friendly fire…

        • Look what American pilots did to the japanese survivors of the Bismarck sea battle. What the RAF pilots did to red cross marked Luftwaffe seaplanes picking up german crews from the channel. The list is endless. The cold hard fact of life is that you do not allow surviving hostile forces to be rescued by their own forces as you will just have to fight them again.

          If the Israelis believed the Liberty was a hostile vessel their actions make sense in the logic of war. Outside of sites that issue tin foil hats to their viewers I’ve seen no hard evidence the Israelis knew the Liberty was American at that time. Or rather that the local commanders knew this at the time.

    • Condolences, to this very day…

      The USS Liberty (GTR-5) is the most decorated ship in the U S Navy…

      Even the USA hasn’t been immune from Israeli treachery, albeit in collusion with our own Israel-loving politicians (who should have been convicted of TREASON).
      Lyndon Johnson participated in the “false flag” operation which resulted in the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) on 8 June 1967.

      All hands were supposed to perish, blaming Egypt for the attack and opening up the Israeli annexation of parts of Egypt and to hide evidence of a massacre of civilians.

      When the sailors on the ship reconnected a communications antenna aboard the ship and contacted the fleet for help,

      Lyndon Johnson ordered that no help be given. Johnson wanted “all hands dead” so that his “friend and ally” Israel could complete their mission.

      When the ship refused to sink, all bets were off. It was quickly called a case of “misidentification” despite proof to the contrary.

      34 Americans lost their lives and 173 were wounded.

      The dirty bastard israelis even strafed the lifeboats, in contravention of international law.

      Lyndon Johnson himself quoted that he “did not want to embarrass an ally”. Johnson stated that he “wanted that ship on the bottom”.

      Admiral John S. McCain (yeah, senator John McCain’s admiral “daddy”) participated in the cover-up.

      The Liberty survivors were scattered throughout the Navy and ordered not to discuss the “incident”.

      To this day, there has never been a proper investigation into this “act of war” by Israel.

      To add insult to injury, the ship’s skipper was awarded the Medal of Honor, not at the White House, which is protocol, but at an obscure, out-of-the-way Naval base.

      If I had my way, Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, and Admiral John McCain would have been brought up on charges of TREASON and sentences of death duly carried out.

      As to Israel, I would have turned Israel into a “glass parking lot” on 9 June 1967.

      God damn israel to HELL!

      • Who controls the media?

        June 8, 2020 will be the fifty-third anniversary of the deliberate attack upon the USS Liberty (GTR-5).
        Normally, on the fiftieth anniversary of any notable event in history, there is at least a mention of it in the mainstream media. Not so for the USS Liberty (GTR-5). There was NO MENTION of the Liberty in the mainstream media. WHY?

        Want to bet that there will be no mention of the USS Lberty (GTR-5) on the upcoming fifty-third anniversary on 8 June 2020?

        Don’t hold your breath.

        This, in itself is telling.

        • I’m in awe of your citing so my evidence to prove your allegations sir. Why who could doubt it? Such massive evidence cannot be refuted. And this is why the American education system is such a repository of genius.

      • Perhaps your desire to turn Israel into a “Glass Parking Lot” is using the Liberty Tragedy to float your own boat? “Glass Parking Lot” is overkill and along the lines of the tyrannical mindset of North Korea where if one person offends the state their entire family tree is murdered. Leave those who had nothing to do with the Liberty Tragedy alone otherwise you are what you claim to disdain.

        • He has stated before that the Holocaust did not happen. He’s just another simple minded swastika worshiper.

        • On this day of Great Adoration. For those who gave all and those who served with distinction. Let Us not waste time with a keyboard Troll. Who’s sole source of self comes from playing to it’s own ego. It is important to remember when dealing with Trolls, Snowflakes and Karen’s. You should Never try to teach a pig to sing…It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
          Peace Be With You.

        • there were those in Israel who wanted to come clean and ‘fess-up…but they were silenced as well….

      • “God damn israel to HELL!”
        Probably will find yourself there unless you repent. “There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth” – Jesus Christ

    • Hey y’all, I personally have my issues with the Liberty incident as well. But I don’t see this as an appropriate article to debate this subject.

      We could go into the weeds on a ton of controversial topics in which American servicemen and women were killed, but this day is more to remember their personal sacrifice.

      We can get back to fighting about who ordered what and why another time.

  2. I extend a heart felt thank you to all that serve. Past, present, and future.

    Thank you also to their families and loved ones.

  3. During the BBQ, day at the beach, etc. Take two minutes at 1500 hrs to remember America’s fallen. 🇺🇸

      • Three P.M. is the designated National “moment of silence” All persons are requested to participate in a one minute moment of remembrance at that time in their own respective time zone….

    • I have known personally quite a few of America’s fallen, including a brother. I generally pretty much ignore these calculated “commemorations”, preferring instead my own concept of doing the things which they would have been doing on a holiday, which do not include crying in my beer! Get with your friends! Lift a cold one! Dance with a cutie! Eat some good Q! Laugh and love and live.

  4. The sacrifices were real, but over the last few years I think we have to wonder whether our cause has been just. In a world where domestic enemies dig up the graves of Americans, where our state has become a tyranny, where our security forces attempt a coup, where our foreign office is happy to engage in any reckless scheme so long as it is not in the interest of Americans…

    Well, the ambivalence is hitting hard now. Imagine stumbling across Leonidas’ monument and reflecting on the amazing bravery of men whose country is now gone. That’s how I feel today.

    • The bravery of the 300? Men who talked of dying for freedom who owned slaves? Amongst a Spartan warriors path to manhood was the murder of a slave.

      Human history is blood soaked. Any country. Every. Damn. One. Has done all manner of dirt in their history. You dance with the one you brung. I’m an American. This is my country. My home. I will not condemn it because it is less than perfect.

      • America deserves praise. America has actually been probably the best and nicest super power to ever exist. What other powerful nation has gone to war to liberate another nation? Donate vast sums of wealth to other nations? None.

        • Have you walked the streets of San Francisco?

          Maybe we should help our own people before sending money to other nations.

        • Truth
          I totally agree, they shit on their own people especially vets yet give billions to our enemies.

        • @Truth
          Do you mean the Democrat ruled city in the Democrat ruled state? You know, the party that spent unbelievable amounts of money on “war with poverty”?
          When you “help” people by giving them money for doing nothing, you will soon have many more people doing nothing, like in SF.

        • Truth,
          If you’re referring to the “homeless”, I have pity on maybe 1 out of a hundred.
          As an observer for 30+ years, and talked with countless “homeless”, it’s a lifestyle choice. Period.
          Never feed a stray dog unless you want to keep it. The local advocates and social worker types drive around here and bring hot cooked meals to these freeloaders on the street.
          They don’t even have to go to the ‘soup kitchen’ anymore.
          I’ve got no empathy, sympathy, or pity for these people.

        • “Have you walked the streets of San Francisco?

          I have.

          “Maybe we should help our own people before sending money to other nations.”

          You do not “help someone” by tolerating when they shit on public streets and sidewalks.


          Do you need it explained to you why that is a bad idea?

      • @JWM – I don’t condemn my country, I wonder if I have one. There is a lot of truth in the snarky comment that America is a shopping mall that happens to own a world-class army.

        A country that imagines itself to be nothing more than a set of ideas – where the whole world is filled with Americans who simply haven’t managed to swim here yet. A country that happily sends its young working class to fight everywhere, but can’t be bothered to care if there are jobs for them…

        It’s not them. It’s us. This day is a reproach on us.

      • slavery was part of the norm down through the ages…certainly widespread during the ancient world…just an accepted practice and part of the spoils of war…

    • Because whoever is selling you on these dug up graves, tyranny, etc. wants you to feel that way. No better way to manipulate people than to make them feel that everything they value is being threatened.

  5. All Gave Some, Some Gave All.

    For those on Memorial Day who are moved to ask, “What can I do?’ That was addressed by Abraham Lincoln on November 19, 1863…

    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

  6. The proper display of the flag on Memorial day is: Raise the flag momentarily to the top, then to half-staff until noon. Then raise it to the top.

  7. Prayers and profound thanks for those who have served and to their families.

    You politicians, who have sent our troops where they should not have gone, who have failed to properly equip our fighting forces, who have ignored the needs of our veterans, pray for God’s mercy. You will need it.

  8. Sadly, other than the American Revolution and the War of 1812, none of our wars have been about freedom, which many writers blather about. The Civil War was initially about preserving the Union and freeing the slaves later became a secondary goal, so one could argue that the slaves obtained their freedom. We had no business in the Mexican War, World War I or World War II or any of the wars afterwards. FDR ensured World War II by his actions. He did everything possible to ensure our neutrality was in name only and goaded the Japanese by freezing their assets, not meeting with them afterwards when they requested it, and froze oil shipments to Japan. Obviously, FDR may not have known the extent of a Japanese attack like Pearl Harbor, but he goaded them on until they attacked and then acted so enraged when they did.

    • RE: “The Civil War was initially about preserving the Union and freeing the slaves later became a secondary goal, so one could argue that the slaves obtained their freedom.”

      So Red…If slavery was secondary as you proclaim then how in the heck did the line “dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal” ever get into the Gettysberg Address on Nov. 19, 1863 way before the ending of the Civil War? Those words have a very clear meaning and those words did not come after the smoke cleared and the dust settled.

      In case you don’t know…There is nothing positive about your laundry list of negatives. Look on the sunny side Red…If it were not for America…You would be speaking German and sitting in a line of prisoners pooping in a trough or perhaps you would be a lampshade on a desk. Either way you damned sure couldn’t say or do anything about it.

    • Because letting the Axis powers take over the rest of the world and assuming they’d just leave us alone was a realistic option?

    • It’s a little curious to say that we had no place in WWII given the way in which the US entered the war… subsequent to being attacked.

      Or do you think that it was all a hoax? Do we have a Pearl Harbor truther?

    • the war of 1812 was initiated by our attempts to invade Canada and take advantage of Britain’s involvement in the Napoleonic wars…not a quest for freedom….WWI…[for us, anyway]… by an attempt to goad Mexico into declaring war on the US….our involvement in WWII was inevitable…and FDR had the foresight to see that…we conquered Mexico in the Mexican war…then chose to give it back in exchange for the territory we desired..which proved timely with the subsequent gold strike…..

  9. RIP to all the fallen. Shame on those who politicize this thread. You’re far worse than anyone you condemn!

      • coward. Where did clinton serve? barry? bernie? The list is endless.

        No where in the laws does it say you have to be a war hero to hold elected office. I don’t like Trump. Never have. But he’s a damn sight better than the alternative.

        • Let’s not forget “you know, the thing we say” “truths over facts” braindead Biden who was busy letting the kids at the pool play with the hair on his legs (when he wasn’t instilling fear in the hearts of evil gang bangers like Corn Pop “?”) while he was graduating at the TOP of his class in law school (NOT) with half a dozen degrees. Yep real hero, that one, if only he could remember where he is, what day it is and what office h’s running for or could tell the difference between his sister and his wife, maybe keep his hands off of VERY young girls and maybe put together a complete coherent sentence without his wife prompting him or even finishing his sentences, and then there is that little racial issue…. Of course we could have an honest to God hero like Danang Dick (head) Blumenthal or sellout specialist, Purple Hart “Big John” Kerry running for POTUS, that should really make all those Rambo wanna-be liberals really proud..

    • each war was different in structure and purpose…but no one is questioning the bravery and courage of those who were involved in them….

  10. “Not a day of mourning“. Maybe for some. Not so much for others. I guess it depends on if you lost any of yours.
    As long as folks take a moment to understand that them folks who didn’t make were somebody then I’m ok with whatever else they do.

  11. “It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived”. General George S. Patton
    I Agree with the quote by Benjamin Harrison. It is Their sacrifice for Our Nation. That should be Honored. Mourning should be reserved for those who knew the Lost.
    Respect should be afforded to all who served.
    “Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.” Today, we remember and honor those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom.

  12. Let’s just show our patriotism by drinking like a bunch of retards, eating like a bunch of pigs, with the stupid conversations that usually follow. Memorial Day and 4th of July, F yeah!!! It’s like Thanksgiving, for too many it just has become a pretext to justify stupid and compulsive behavior.

    • sounds more like Cinquo de Mayo…wonder how many have the remotest idea why we use that as an excuse to party and get sloshed?…..since it has virtually nothing to do with our history….

  13. Rest in peace my brothers. US Army Staff Sergeant Kerry Firth and Sergeant Foshie. Sorry but I have forgotten his first name. Both lost in a CH47 crash. “The wild 42”

  14. Agree with the approach mentioned in the article. I think it was GEN Patton who said we should not mourn our (war) dead; rather we should thank God that such men lived.

    Went to a local observance. At least the keynote speaker got it right. All of the others included all Vets (Veterans Day), those currently serving (Armed Forces Day), first responders, and of course COVID 19 (WTF?). Most folks I think have their hearts in the right place, but this day is not about the “All Gave Some”, it’s for the “Some Gave All”.

    • Memorial Day is to remember those who died in the military.

      It has nothing to do with first responders or COVID19.

      • It used to be called “Decoration Day”…a time to decorate the graves of those we loved and lost…but with a special emphasis on our war dead…remember all those red poppies?….

  15. I lost a good friend in ‘Nam. In 1967, he was 20 and a hell of a young man. If it wouldn’t upset you America-haters too much, I will mourn his loss.

    • When the ghosts come calling you learn the true meaning of “mourn”… And they don’t care what day it is…

    • that memorial in DC says it all…utter simplicity, yet it says it all…starts with a trickle then becomes a flood of names of young men who were cut-off in their prime…simply overwhelming…

      • Arlington is similar…a quiet, dignified place…with headstones that seem to stretch to the horizon…very moving…

  16. “We had no business in the Mexican War…”

    Other than, the Mexicans starting the war by wiping out an American dragoon company and besieging Fort Texas.
    We could have avoided the war by offering to negotiate for the disputed ground…oh, but I remember, the Mexican government refused to negotiate.

    • Manifest Destiny?…the Mexicans could either fight or cave…the outcome would have been the same….much like the native-Americans,..they were simply in the way…..


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