If you saw our list of the top five most-read TTAG posts during 2017, you’ll have noticed that number two on this year’s hit parade was about a cop who had “You’re F**cked” engraved on his AR’s dust cover. The prosecution attempted (and ultimately failed) to use that little bit of customization against him in court when he shot a suspect with the rifle and was subsequently charged with second degree murder.
It’s in that spirit that we pass on this boingboing.com article, Don’t carry a gun with Punisher logo on it. featuring the video below from attorney Derek DeBrosse on why blingy or custom decorated firearms could come back to haunt you should you ever have to pull the trigger in a self defense situation.
Good advice?
She was released pending court. What if she returns to FL, enjoys a coctail on the beach, and tells NJ to F-off?
Since it might have been successfully used against Brailsford if the judge wasn’t a copsucker, it’s not a good idea to do it, especially if you wouldn’t be a judge friendly defendant.
Then there’s the advice we’ve been getting for years that lightening the trigger pull would be used as evidence that we wanted to kill people…but I don’t know of that ever happening in court.
And woe be onto the poor slob who has pro 2A or anti government slogans on the gun he uses to defend his house from a no-knock home invasion, even if his house wasn’t the one named in the search warrant.
I don’t know where the author is buying his ammo from, but he’s getting ripped off whether its 5.56, 300 or 7.62.
The internet is an amazing place for shopping.
It’s very good advice and not enough attention is paid to this. The self defense culture is not a fashion statement or a popularity contest. I see a large percentage of the younger/ newer shooters falling into this. Another issue is the signs and property notifications people buy stating things like “we don’t dial 911”. Trespassers will be shot and survivors will be shot again”. Very bad in court and not good for gaining the middle of the road people who want into our culture but are not sure. Do you want to be IT or look like I ?
Ive always thought stuff like that was tacky, and it seems every other Glock or 1911 for sale on armslist has a punisher end plate or grips on them.
i bought a G26 from a guy years back with the intention of using it as a carry piece. Of course it came with a Punisher slide plate, and the very first thing i did when i got it home was take that thing out.
i can’t even comprehend how someone would think its a good idea to put a Punisher logo on a firearm if one intends to carry it for self defense.
Bullsh!t, just about every gun maker out there offers guns in every color imaginable. What colors are ok? FDE, but not purple, black is somehow better than OD green? What about two tone guns or polished finishes or fancy engraving or Ceracoating? The LC9s for example comes in 17 different finishes.
How about blame on Hollywood for creating the character in the first place?
Anyone think that will ever happen?
That cop deserved prison…
There’s always an idiot. My parents live outside the city limits, where it is legal to discharge your firearm from your house, but it is an established neighborhood. The first New Years the community was built their neighbor decided that it would be ok to fire a rifle into the air. Everyone called the police. It hasn’t happened again, but still makes you worry just knowing dumbasses like that live next to your parents.
Sounds like a bunch of yuppies and pussies live in the area. I have gun fire around me almost every other day and its a non-issue. Well, except that one time…
The full auto and exploding targets are about to start out here.
Lots of idiots in my neighborhood. July 4th is worse…and the po-leece don’t do a damn thing. Stay safe POTG…
Holy necro, batman.
Article is has it completely bassackwards, and show us where the bad cartridge touched you, Dave?
Every problem you describe with the round is rooted in trying to feed it into a system it was never designed for. That’s not the bullet’s fault, nor or can you fault the bullet for the inaccuracy of its platform. Perhaps the only correct thing you touched upon was the round itself being rooted in a system that never evolved out of WW2 and attempts to do so haven’t been overly well received because you are right– they’re trying to polish a turd at that point.
Let’s all take this as an example of an article that starts with completely the wrong premise and somehow swerves into a serviceable hypothesis like a drunken New Year’s reveler– The 300blk’s ascendancy over 7.62 because it actually works in a system vastly superior to the AK.
I’m not a fan of bump stocks, and on a personal level would not miss their absence from the market. But, here’s the rub for me. Reviewing and changing one ATF ‘ruling’ for political reasons is the slipperiest slope imaginable.
A politically motivated reversal of ATF’s ruling that bump stocks are not ‘machine guns’ at this point leaves the door wide open for future rulings which are equally politically motivated, rather than being predicated upon the rule of, and letter of the law.
Once that door is thrown open, the sky is the limit for rampant political abuse and overreach of the agency’s mandate by the same forces who have so deeply and thoroughly corrupted the upper echelons at Justice.
Obviously, gamers need to have background checks. But, how long until someone drags the publisher or isp to court for damages?
I’m almost positive they did or at least tried already with Columbine. I seem to recall it being a big deal in the news at the time that they claimed were inspired by DOOM.
I don’t know. Americans grew up watching Americans in Westerns shooting in the air regularly.
Why blame Haji etc. when the subject is about American gun owners? Doesn’t it get tiresome trying to find fault with “other people?”
It’s a New Year. Clean your own house.
Happy New Year everyone!!!!
Uberti 1851 Navy Conversion .38spl. Just love the look and feel.
Plus my VP9. Very close second.
Why care about what non-POGs think when gun owners police each other to the point of oppression? I have enough actual legal rules to follow without bothering with all this super-judgemental peer-pressure from my own side of the fence about what you all feel are socially acceptable accoutrements and which comic-book character is okay to put on my gun or whatever. When and if someone ever gets successfully prosecuted for such a thing, all these completely unqualified petty opinions about what other people’s guns look like still won’t matter to anyone. Now go back to yelling “get off my lawn” (which you wouldn’t have to do if you had some humorous signs regarding the fate of trespassers).
After Sutherland Springs, I decided to get serious and got my CCW. I now carry every day. That’s my highlight.
I don’t have any custom built rifle. But I still enjoy good trigger. The worse your original trigger is the more you gain by switching it for good aftermarket one. Imagine my delight after I installed a Timney in my 91/30 Mosin. ☺
So when is it coming up for a vote in the Senate? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
My bought me a Stag Model 10
24″ bbl in 6.5 Creedmoor with a 6X24 Vortex for optic. That was a good birthday.
But I thought they just banned “high capacity” (actually standard) magazines so this couldn’t happen?! It’s almost like someone, who by definition is a criminal (domestic violence call officers were responding to) has no problem breaking laws against: murder, using a firearm to commit murder, shooting at police, discharging a firearm in a residential area, evading police / refusing to comply with police orders, and any other various laws that were broken throughout this situation. Who’d have thought? /s
In all seriousness, my condolences to the officer’s family and the Police Department. I hope and pray that Denver will next time focus on and pass legislation that actually makes them safer, rather than feelgood bullshit.
What no “Widow Maker” on the barrel?
Glad I’m not headed back home today. From what my wife tells me a ton of the roads are closed.
Also, this happened in Highlands Ranch.
As for the mag thing, read the law. Oh, and the law isn’t enforced because it basically can’t be.
It is outstanding advice. If you are on trial for your life, you want every advantage you can get.
Imho – keeping your firearms looking normal is no different than dressing nice in court.
Picked up my first can, was giddy all the way to the LGS and back and for about a week afterward.
Bought a Sig P320RX. Took me awhile to adjust to the red dot (why is it shaking so much…it must be defective!), but now these tired old eyes love it.
The fake news hacks at Huffpo are sensationalizing this as “Another Mass Shooting in Colorado”.
It isn’t.
I think the FBI stats count anything with more than 4 as a mass shooting so it would be technically true. I’m not sure I’d call it anything else really, high speed serial murder, I guess.
If I were a cop, this would be the kind of call you dread, like the SWATting BS, you are completely blind, if its an active shooter, the approach would be different, but a DV runs the gamut from a kid calling to complain they got spanked to a nutter killing his entire family with a chainsaw.
Not a bad setup, might be more useful to have a phone in that case though.
My Bond Arms Bullpup coming in three weeks early, just in time for Christmas.
The chances of it reaching PRESIDENT Trump’s desk are three, zero, zip and nada. The Senate RINOs will not let this pass. And yes I know that Mc Cain is a sponsor but when it comes to the vote, if he is still around, he WILL vote against it. Mark my words.
As Bersa Bob said there have been a lot of high profile cases of concealed carriers being arrested in New Jersey for merely passing through with a loaded gun
Gun people should know by now to unload and secure their gun while traveling through Nee Jersey
The Federal law protecting armed travelers only applies if you are just passing through
Get off the freeway and you lose that protection
The State of the laws in New Jersey is indeed unconstitutional but people should know by now to go through as fast as possible with their gun locked in a container
Getting my. 22LR supressor and shooting it on my Walther p22. Hollywood-movie quiet. Then going to an indoor range with my son and shooting a WW2 replica submachine gun. Ear to ear grins on both our faces!
In the interest of “free competition between states” as “the laboratories of democracy”, maybe big signs just on the other side of the border. I remember when you got all kinds of guidance from the State Department around going to “designated countries” back in the day. Possibly still, with a different list of BGs.
/It’s an interesting picture…
They have “Welcome to Wherever” on the interstates & I recall a fair amount of infrastructure right on state borders sometimes: signs, rest stops, visitors’ bureau info, park and ride & similar. Maybe a big sign on the outbound side Pennsyltucky of the Water Gap bridge:
“You are now leaving Pennsyltucky. Before entering New Jersey confirm that you are in compliance with NJ state and local laws, particularly on firearms, transporting cash, and window tinting.
To help you stay legal, we maintain a list of differences in state laws here: pa.gov/borderingstates/nj/stuffwedontdotoyou. Laws may have changed & enforcement priorities vary — this list may not represent current enforcement. For more details see the pamphlets & other information available at our departure center, next to the visitors’ bureau at the turn off.
We aim to make The Keystone State as welcoming as possible, including travel out of state safe without our citizens getting entangled in laws they might not be familiar with. Y’all come back now, hear?”
/NY, Too
PA has a belt of fireworks stores just over the NY border — services banned one place, people satisfy somewhere else. Week end traffic between “dry” and “wet” counties is legendary everywhere they do that. There’s only a few high-volume corridors North/South across that border.
How about similar signs on departing into NY State at the few high-volume corridors. They would read a little differently from the NJ ones: the SAFE act, border enforcement and task forces, stop and frisk, and a warning that it all gets weirder in NY city. (I think of NY city like a theme park: someplace you visit, with its own bizarre rules. It’s Las Vegas without the charm of cheating you honestly.)
/Meta, There’s this Thing Called The InterWebz
I do wonder why any state maintaining a list of states with reciprocal carry agreements seems to be hard.
There’s a fee for “licensing” a gun, or to carry, or etc. In principle, that fee is for the service to the gun owners. (It would never be to introduce burden and friction hoping to reduce the volume of gun owners by other means. Naaah. They’d never create deliberate nuisances to erode what they can’t outright ban.)
So, why not provide a service, like a list. “Your Sane State permit is recognized state wide, and through arrangement with certain other states authorizes you to carry there too, in compliance with their laws, of course. See the list, and from there links to summaries of their gun laws at our gun info site: sanestate.gov/infoforgunners/reciprocallist
/Meta, meta
I’m still waiting for state politicritters to make other states’ insanity an overt campaign issue. I mean, besides Texas and California. “Vote for me, I’ll keep PA better than NY or Ohio.” That would be fun to watch.
The only mod I’ve done is a Handall Jr. and a recoil absorbing stock. I don’t do the slogan thing,drop-in trigger or anything else. Just tools…
To each his own, it’s their firearm and their ife to live.
TTAG should post a contact list of NRA, GOA, and every state version of same so we can start calling for a million gun owner march that chokes Pennsylvania Avenue.
Sorry he died. Always be on guard…and Happy New Year!
In saying that only law enforcement and trained officials should be allowed to possess “assault weapons”, he might as well say that only government can be trusted, not the citizens.
I bought my first glock. Couldn’t be happier with it. Also got my wife a ccw and a sccy 9mm. All in all an awesome year.
I’m looking forward to seeing some geeks with gas-flow modeling software that ‘learns’ to come up with a design specific to a round of ammunition and barrel length, etc.
A design worked up like that could potentially come up with a combo many times more effective than current designs.
But when that happens, watch the Fed classify it and restrict it with ITAR…
You and me both brother. This is a (rather) simple attenuation problem that has been mitigated in dozens of other fields by applying CFD, some cash, and some brains.
We (sadly) still haven’t hit the point where someone has to create a competent product to be competitive, sadly the market will still lap up half-assed guess-o-matic junque.
Ugh. Someday, they’ll all have to science….
Back in the early 90s when I was attending university in eastern Kentucky, there was one New Year’s Eve where I had a rifle bullet (some flavor of .30 caliber) come through the ceiling and land at the foot of my bed. OK, to be fair it was a single-wide trailer (off-campus living, y’all!). I guarantee it was not fired by an urban thug.
Wait. We were supposed to put wedding rings n shit in there?
Guess I better do another one so y’all can see what brand of socks I wear.
There is no point of using an expensive process such as laser sintering if you don’t do something better than can be done with traditional machining.
Delta P was the first company to print a suppressor. They are shorter and wider than typical design. I do like the short design. Don’t know how they compare but the are very pricey.
Try being in New Orleans 4 New Year’s Eve. Battleground USA.
Simply being able to get back to semi-regular range time. That and deciding not to sell the stainless GP100 after all 🙂
Some cosmetic changes are perfectly innocent, but things like “smile and wait for flash” or painting the muzzle orange could easily land you in prison. Punisher skulls aren’t as bad, and shouldn’t swing the case, but remember what a jury sometimes is: twelve people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
I like my women like I like my chicken, and I really like my chicken, except in a different way.
Woke up January 1 2017 to Donald Trump as President Elect, Hillary Clinton as a defeated loser, and soon to be able to scrape the presidency of Barack Hussein Obama from the bottom of my shoe.
As a gun owner, an American, and a Patriot that was one of the best days ever.
“I’m under no illusions that this will do anything helpful. But damn it, we have to fuck the proles over somehow!”
Progressives explained in one sentence.
I have taken many deer through the airlines, and never had a problem. They were packaged and frozen though. At least one head with antlers was on one flight so I could do a European mount.
“When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.”
May it not be so expensive this year; and if it is, invest in copper & lead.
FMJ
That is the sound of FREEDOM. Happy New Year, may the Tree of Liberty be fully freshened this 2018.
No, just no. Backstabbers gonna backstab.
… ho hum…
Eh.
If you’ve ever eaten at a Chinese restaurant…
(for the humor-impaired, that’s a joke.)
If stopping power is utmost then use a shotgun with slugs or buckshot. Go for several tons of muzzle force.
Or a .30 rifle.
What ever number we come up with, I’ll just call it “a good start”.
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That is what Nazi Germany did after WWI. They were able to go door to door and confiscate specific weapons! It’s a slippery slope they are sliding down…
Oldest gun: F&N Model 1906 (.25 ACP) manufactured in (roughly) 1918.
Hardest to find ammo: Arisaka Type 99 (7.7 JAP). Ammo isn’t impossible to find, but very few places have it for sale…
Welcome to Missouri, baby! That could be my mom!
“I may not get them, but with me having a gun — at least I have a chance.”
After that, the anti’s are left to argue that Ms. Sherrow, like the rest of us is
– too dumb, reactive & skill-challenged to stand a chance that she’ll “get them”,
– expendable; an acceptable loss in the grander scheme, not deserving of a chance,
– doing it wrong; only approved chances, provided by authorized agents are allowed,
– not worth the cost that chance will cost the rest of us
– forgetting she’s a sim in clerk-world, organized for their sake. Ant farms aren’t for the ant’s beneift.
When they do that, Ms. Sherrow might get the idea that they don’t think much of her to begin with. Which is why they’re OK if is left with nothing but her courage to meet any abuse that comes her way.