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Florida advertises itself as one of the freest states in the union, as stated by Governor Ron DeSantis (R) on January 11 during his State of the State address to the legislature. In reality, Florida’s political freedoms are much like Walt Disney World. A lot of it is make believe and misdirection.

Twenty-one states have passed constitutional carry laws and another four to five are on the cusp of political victory on that front this year. Florida, it appears, isn’t one of them.

Furthermore, Florida is one of three states that have an outright ban on the open carry of firearms. Yes, you read that right. Florida is right there with New York and Illinois in outright banning the openly carrying of firearms (except in certain limited situations).

For two decades, Florida has had a Republican supermajority ruling both the legislature and the governor’s mansion, yet the Sunshine State has fallen far behind other states on Second Amendment-related issues. From 2010 to 2020, for example, campus carry, open carry, and constitutional carry bills have died repeatedly in Republican-controlled committees.

Yet in 2018, following the Parkland shooting, Republicans rushed a gun control bill to then-Governor Rick Scott’s desk. These were gun rights restrictions, mind you, that wouldn’t in any way have prevented that shooting since the failures there lie squarely at the feet of the Broward County School Board and the Broward County Sheriff’s Office in their refusals to arrest Nikolas Cruz for the multiple infractions and breaches of the peace, including cases of domestic violence.

Governor Ron DeSantis said in December 2021 that he would sign constitutional carry into law if a bill reaches his desk. During the State of the State address he said the following . . .

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis calling out anti-gun lawmakers during the State of the State address, January 11, 2022.

He made no direct mention of constitutional carry, but that was a subtle callout of the anti-gun Republicans who make up the legislature.

Governor DeSantis is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He fully backs the ideas of liberty and freedom. But the legislature holds the cards here and if he wants anything passed, he has to play their game.

So who are some of the lawmakers he was calling out?

Republicans like current Senate President Wilton Simpson (R), the lawmaker who authored the Parkland gun control bill, along with House Speaker Chris Sprowls (R), a loyal underling who is at Simpson’s beck and call.

It’s been through their actions that they threaten other Republican lawmakers and make them cower and stay silent on the matter. Other lawmakers like Representative Cord Byrd (R), who during the 2021 session, killed a constitutional carry bill by refusing to bring it up for a vote when he was chairman of the House’s Criminal Justice & Public Safety Subcommittee.

Currently, Representative Chuck Brannan III (R) chairs that committee, where this year’s version of constitutional carry is assigned. Already, the same excuses are spreading through the halls of the State Capitol as an explanation as to why the bill won’t be brought up in committee for a vote.

So, will 2022 be yet another repeat of the past decade-plus of disappointment? The truth is simple. Republican leadership can bring the bill up if they want. They simply haven’t.

Florida needs constitutional carry passed for a number of reasons. First and foremost, the right to keep and bear arms is inalienable. Floridians don’t need to ask the government for a permission slip to exercise their First Amendment rights, they shouldn’t need one to exercise their Second Amendment rights either.

On a more practical and political level, the current permitting system is rife with abuse and issues of mismanagement. During the 2020 pandemic, the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services refused to process new and renewal applications or issue carry permits for three months. Yet the vast majority of the process can be done online. The department even shut down the state’s website, but kept other online applications websites open during the pandemic.

Additionally, law-abiding Floridians are being treated as guilty and are being made to prove their innocence when they apply for a permit if they happen to share a name or a birthday with a convicted felon in another state. This is happening because the current Commissioner of Agriculture, Nikki Fried, is a proud anti-gun advocate who uses every tactic available to her to deny and delay the issuance of permits.

Also, the entire permitting system is a holdover from Jim Crow era laws. After the Civil War, when the Union Army withdrew at the end of Reconstruction, bigoted southern Democrats regained control of the legislature and re-wrote the state constitution and passed permitting laws to disarm freed blacks.

The carry laws were never equally applied. That fact brought up by Florida’s Supreme Court Chief Justice River H. Buford in Watson v. State. Chief Justice Buford stated the following . . .

The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied.”

“It is a safe guess that more than 80 percent of the white men living in rural sections of Florida have violated this statute. It is also a safe guess to say that not more than 5 percent of the men in Florida who own pistols and repeating rifles have ever applied to the Board of County Commissioners for a permit to have the same in their possession and there has never been, within my knowledge, any effort to enforce the provisions of this statute as to white people, because it has been generally conceded to be in contravention of the Constitution and non-enforceable if contested.”

The stains of Jim Crow still blot our state, as we saw when Dale Norman, a law-abiding Black man was walking down the sidewalk and had an accidental exposure of his firearm that he was legally carrying under Florida’s laws. He was aggressively forced to the ground by three officers at gun point.

If Florida had constitutional carry, this never could have happened. Under the current system, Florida’s law enforcement is trained to treat anyone with a firearm as a potential criminal since it is illegal to carry a firearm without a government-issued permission slip. I recall from my time as a law enforcement officer that there was little to no training on people having the right to keep and bear arms.

The current permitting system also discriminates against Floridians on the lower economic rungs of our society. It costs on average $119 in government fees to get a carry permit. That doesn’t including the training class fees the state mandates. The usual costs range between $50 to $100 and takes three to four hours for the class.

That’s a lot of money when inflation is eating up every penny with ever-rising fuel, food, and housing costs. Plus, the need for a person to take time off and take the mandated course eats up income too as individuals have to take time off from work and that means a loss of income.

If Florida’s lawmakers claim to be defenders of Floridians’ civil rights and the Governor claims that Florida is the freest state in the Union, then constitutional carry must pass and be signed into law. Anything less is just more of the same meaningless talk Floridians are tired ot.

Floridians of all walks of life and backgrounds deserve their Second Amendment Rights to be secure.

Luis Valdes is the Florida Director for Gun Owners of America.

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  1. Gun control laws are, beyond any doubt, racist in nature. They violate basic human rights and civil rights for all but white men.

    Who here supports gun control? miner49er and dacian the nazi. Two well known fascists here at ttag. And of course, they support keeping poc unarmed.

    • I support American citizens right to keep and bear arms, but that right has certain conditions and limitations, just as all our rights.

      I think firearms training, classroom and range, should be mandatory in high school and successful completion of this training shall be a prerequisite for carrying a firearm in public spaces.

      I think convicted violent felons and those adjudicated mentally incompetent to handle their affairs should be disallowed the ownership of firearms.

      • Gee, MinorIQ, interesting take . . . now do Voter ID.

        Flaming idiot hypocrite isn’t a good look on you, MinorIQ.

        • Oh, and what about felons who’ve SERVED their terms (not on parole) voting? Do you forfeit your INHERENT rights permanently, even if you’ve “paid your debt to society”?

          Go visit dacian the stupid’s cable, it needs to be micturated up.

        • Lamp the wife beater really has a bee in his bonnet today. His ex-wife must have missed sending him the monthly support payment again 😬.

      • …but that right has certain conditions and limitations, just as all our rights.

        So you also support ID for voters?

        To be fair, I agree that firearm familiarization and safety courses should be taught in schools. I also agree that violent felons and adjudicated mentally incompetent should be prohibited.

        Edit: I see LOD beat me to the punch.

        • “So you also support ID for voters?“

          You bet I do, no one in my state can become a registered voter without showing state or federal issued photo ID with proof of residency.

      • To condense your statement, miner49er. ‘I don’t believe I’m a fascist so therefore it must be true. ‘

        You’ve exposed your real self too many times here miner. You know that mostly white, suburban schools will get the needed courses on guns while mostly non white inner city schools will not.

        You’re a white supremacist trying to pass as a sjw.

  2. This is one of those cases where it doesn’t matter if you are right, or the facts support you. It is an entirely political question where those in power have decided what is best for the rest of us, irrespective of the views of the public. And right now, it looks as if politics will block the bill again.

    Nor does it appear that the Governor backs such a bill. He has said that he would sign it IF it reaches his desk, but until then, he is blameless, Is he going to bat for the bill with congressional leaders? If so, that fact is not public.

    • “IF it reaches his desk”
      That’s a mighty big IF and the question now is: WHAT is the governor doing to see that a proper constitutional carry bill reaches his desk? Talk is cheap, even in Florida!

  3. Having RINOs in charge of the process provides perfect cover for DeSantis. He can pontificate all he wants about being pro-2A and he can blame others while gun rights in FL die aborning.

    • Ralph,

      You are illustrating a common political tactic: politicians actively orchestrate matters such that they can blame other politicians for failing to “do something”. And they do it in such a way that minimizes any reduction in popular support for their political party.

      For those of you who are unaware, here is an example of how it works.

      A Republican Governor wants widespread support from people who want full-blown constitutional carry and from the people who do NOT want it. Of course those two positions are at odds with each other. Whichever way the Governor acts, he/she will alienate a significant portion of his/her voter base. So, the Governor’s only option to keep most of his/her voter base is to effectively not act at all, e.g. to do nothing. Thus, that Governor spews some vague statements which sort of support both sides and then privately calls on a key member of the legislature to prevent such legislation from reaching his/her desk.

      Furthermore, the Republican Party takes advantage of that situation. The Party picks a member in a district that REALLY supports constitutional carry and directs that member to propose constitutional carry legislation–which energizes his/her voting base. Next, the Party picks a member in a district that REALLY opposes constitutional carry and has that member bury the legislation in committee (thus ensuring that it never reaches the Governor’s desk)–which energizes his/her voting base.

      The end result: everyone wins. Well, to be more precise, everyone in the Republican Party wins. The Governor never has to support nor oppose constitutional carry thus keeping the support of his/her entire voting base. The legislator who proposed the constitutional carry bill keeps the support of his/her voting base. And the legislator in the district that opposes constitutional carry buried the bill, thus keeping the support of his/her voting base.

      • Unfortunately your theory is flawed because DeSantis said if it came across his desk he would what? SIGN IT! So he did take a position, and the guy running the house said he supports it. So, while politics are politics, that doesn’t mean you’re wrong, it just means you’re not right yet.

      • “Like they’re not now?”

        not nearly as much as they would. imagine ms13 posses strutting down the street with their gats. you guys think open-carrying means YOU open carrying, but you’ll have lots of unwelcome company.

        • Psst. They’re concealing them now. And, there seems to be some confusion between open carry and Constitutional carry. I would not choose to open carry. I have this thing about not making myself a target, and prefer the element of surprise. Constitutional carry is the right to bear arms, uninfringed with no governmental permission slip.

        • In which open carry state has the ms13 shut down any streets?

          Rant. You’re a fascist. You folks want to control who carries or even if they can carry. No surprises there.

        • “You’re a fascist”

          you mean I consider something besides you. so does everyone else.

          “You folks want to control who carries or even if they can carry”

          so will you.

        • “They’re concealing them now”

          they’re restrained now. they’ll be restrained less, and do more, when they can parade.

        • rant7,

          Criminal gangs have/are not running around openly carrying firearms and intimidating the public in the 20+ states with Constitutional carry (and open carry).

          There is no evidence that criminal gangs will begin running around openly carrying firearms to intimidate the public anywhere, Florida included.

        • “There is no evidence that criminal gangs will begin running around openly carrying firearms to intimidate the public anywhere”

          not yet, not in those states, but that will change. I’m not opposed to open carry (states are, after all, “laboratories of democracy”), just saying the ones celebrating it most will regret it most when they find it’s not just about them.

        • Great fact free, citation free “response”, rant7. Got any, yaknow, ACTUAL SUPPORT for that idiot statement??

    • ” open carry means felons and mentally unstable are walking around freely with firearms ”

      Point 1: Those that are inclined to do so are already doing it. They’re just not hanging them out there where the public can see them.

      Point 2: I would prefer that any nut case or bad guy that chooses to carry do so openly. That way I, with my concealed firearm, can see who’s got what without tipping my hand.

    • avatar Geoff "A day without an apparently brain-damaged mentally-ill demented troll is like a day of warm sunshine" PR

      “shall-issue would be better.”

      It already is shall-issue, dumbass…

      • Lol. And Geoff the (fully vaxxed and boosted) Florida Pervert knows what it is to be a ‘dumbass’. Remember to stay at least 500’ from school buildings per the court order, fool!

        • Hey, nameless, brainless troll! Did you visit the cable??

          I have a new handle for you: “Total soiboi gamma somewhat-male pinhead”. Yah like it?? No charge, no licensing fee, no thanks required. Feel free to use it; it’s much more accurate than ANY of your other handles.

        • avatar Geoff "A day without an apparently brain-damaged mentally-ill demented troll is like a day of warm sunshine" PR

          A ‘True Alpha Male’ would comment using his real name.

          The little boy hides under different names.

          Show you’re an ‘Alpha Male’, what’s your real name? 😉

  4. I think you found the answer in it cost an average of $119 to get a government permission slip.
    State revenue versus your constitutional rights, revenue matters because its real.

      • rant7,

        So, ‘splain it to me, Lucy . . . where, exactly, in the Constitution is your “right to buy gas”, or your “right to drive a car”. Now, PERSONALLY, I would have preferred to skip the BoR, and add one more provision to the Constitution emphasizing that ALL other rights belong to the people, but that didn’t happen.

        The 2A doesn’t say, ” . . . shall not be infringed; except we can require them to get licenses, pay fees, and jump through hoops.”

        Read a little history, son.

  5. As a 7th Gen Floridian, the open carry issue has been a long road, but oddly enough, I worked on the A.C.P. Pipeline from N.E. PA to the Carolinas for over 12 years and stayed in many Open Carry States and found it uncomfortable most times; I mainly carried concealed B/C of it, guess I wasn’t used to it. We shall see how it goes from here. I’m all for it, But I don’t see it happening B/C Florida LEOs are absolutely against it as well.

  6. Politicians talk out of both sides of their mouth at once. They pander to the minority Far Right Lunatics but know damn well the majority of the people in their state do not want any untrained yahoo running around with a gun on him that has not had training in gun safety and and understanding of the laws of the state on when and when you cannot shoot someone.

    And we must not forget human nature. The reasons politicians become politicians or judges is because they want absolute power over everyone and guns are a threat to that power. The complete ignoring of the 2A by the courts and the politicians since the founding of the country proves that they only want firearms freedom for themselves but not for the general public. History has proven it over and over.

    • “know damn well the majority of the people in their state do not want any untrained yahoo running around with a gun on him”

      the “far right” doesn’t know that. telling them that doesn’t register, doesn’t compute, makes no sense to them. to the extent they comprehend it they experience it as “fascism” (meaning Other People) and reject it.

      • rant7,

        Nice of you to tell all us rednecks what we think, and what are policy views are . . . we had no idea until you and dacian the stupid came along.

        Go micturate up a cable.

      • They pander to the minority Far Right Lunatics but know damn well the majority of the people in their state do not want any untrained yahoo running around with a gun on him that has not had training in gun safety and and understanding of the laws of the state on when and when you cannot shoot someone.

        Absolutely! When I see a guy walking down the street, I think, “What free-dumb is this guy exercising that I don’t like?” I’m sure all progressives are thinking the same. We are the most tolerant people, but seriously. It’s hard doing! It’s hard to tolerate uneducated yahoos walking around in public. Which is why we need more laws overseeing everything they do.

        And we must not forget human nature. The reasons politicians become politicians or judges is because they want absolute power over everyone and guns are a threat to that power. The complete ignoring of the 2A by the courts and the politicians since the founding of the country proves that they only want firearms freedom for themselves but not for the general public. History has proven it over and over.

        Yep! Which is precisely why they need guns, but at the same time, it’s hard to tolerate their possible lack of training. It’s best we just accept absolute power politicians than have to deal with armed uncivilized yahoos and country bumpkins.

        • Don’t you love people that hide behind what they “think” about politicians, to obfuscate their own motives? The worst day of your life isn’t when some fool says, “your money or your life”, it’s the day he says that and you don’t have your gun on you.

      • jwm,

        Zero easily synchs up with zero. Their combined IQ is measurable only at the cutting edge of nanotechnology. Usually requires a scanning electron microscope.

      • “coddling each others balls“

        Really, you should free your mind.

        It seems you enjoy thinking about 2 men fondling one another’s genitalia, you should act on your inner desires and experience the freedom of being your true self.

        • “Defending our fascists, miner?”

          No, just noting your strange fascination with homo erotic fondling, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

        • Really, you should free your mind.

          It seems you enjoy thinking about 2 men fondling one another’s genitalia, you should act on your inner desires and experience the freedom of being your true self.


          I agree! You read people talking about “coddling” and “balls” and you had to chime in didn’t you? You better not have any “inner desires” on this.

  7. Mr. Valdez,

    First and foremost, I feel your pain and wish you the best. Pretty much the exact same situation has been and is occurring in my state and countless people (myself included) lament our expensive, inconvenient, and restrictive shall-issue concealed carry landscape.

    I have attempted to participate (albeit on a very low level) in my state to accomplish the same goal. And I learned a very important detail: how politics work is different from outward appearances. I watched proposed legislation with significant popular support and sympathetic statements from politicians go nowhere and ultimately vanish. And I watched proposed legislation which was obscure, commanded no public support, and received no comments (either for or against) from politicians move through committee and get passed into law so fast it made my head spin.

    To be blunt: unless your organization has some inside track and incredible influence with the power brokers in the Florida State Republican Party, the odds of them turning your requests into law are extremely low.

    I strongly recommend that your organization court the Florida State Republican Party and determine what it takes to acquire that inside track and influence before spending any more energy on public campaigns and open letters.

    • Yep. It doesn’t so much happen in cigar-smoke-filled rooms these days, but it’s the same people, and you still must sell your soul to Ol’ Scratch to get a seat at that table, let alone draw cards. My state is often mentioned in the same sentence as FL in this discussion, and I’m not holding my breath.

    • Only in Capitalvania are people forced to live in an insane country because of Far LEFT Nut cases that prevent sane common sense gun FREE SPEECH laws from being past passed.

      In case you are half asleep (or half brain dead), no, I do not want “common sense free speech laws” which limit “unfavorable” speech. Rather, I am illustrating how asinine such sentiment is, whether it applies to speech, self-defense, or any other inalienable right.

      • Wrong. Trumps visceral rhetoric against immigrants and minorities resulted in a wave of violence against minorities in the U.S. including murders. Such hate speech is not tolerated in civilized countries. No Constitutional right is unlimited when it results in harm done to innocent people. You cannot yell fire in a theater which results in needless deaths and not expect to be tried and convicted of murder just as another example.

        • dacian,

          Oh, I see how that works.

          – John Doe says that women are sub-human
          – Mr. Scumbag hears John Doe’s claim
          – Mr. Scumbag then rapes a woman

          – John Doe inspired Mr. Scumbag rapist
          – John Doe caused the rape with his “hate speech”
          – John Doe is responsible for the rape victim’s harm

          I see things differently.

          – John Doe is a sleazebag.
          – Mr. Scumbag is responsible for raping the woman
          – John Doe is NOT culpable for Mr. Scumbag raping the woman

          And you totally miss the GINORMOUS danger of the “hate speech” concept. That is a topic for an entire post all by itself.

        • To Uncommon Sense

          If your analogy were true (which it is not) why then was there a horrendous rise in attacks on minorities after Trump started to attack them in his speeches? Explain this one to me. I will wait.

          Why did a mob attack the Capitol after Trump gave a speech urging them to????. Again I will await your answer on what excuses you will make and how you will try and dodge the cause and effects of hate speech.

    • dacian the stupid,

      More anecdotes???? Keep pilin’ ’em up, chowderhead – that still ain’t data. Which you would know, if you ACTUALLY had that “education” you keep braying about. Now, a little lesson for the brain dead – how does one actually EMPLOY the Scientific Method?? Well, first you have a “thesis” – a question or concept that intrigues your mind, and you want to explore further. You contemplate that thesis until you develop a hypothesis – your own idea of how that concept works and interacts with the real world. NOW you have to formulate an experimental test of your hypothesis, but it MUST be both replicable, and falsifiable – which kinda means, you complete dumbass, that you have to define your terms, stabilize your data gathering within your definition, compare LIKE to LIKE, you complete gormless t***, CONDUCT your experiment, catalog your results, analyze the extent to which your experimental results correspond to your hypothesis, analyze any flaws in your experimental methods, then publish the damn results, with ALL supporting data and definitions, for peer review.

      Which you would know, if you actually had that so-called education you bray about, constantly – which you don’t. I learned that s*** in the seventh grade, in a public school, you oxygen thief.

      The cable awaits your visit.

      • to The Lamp that went out in his head

        Except you Moron the Historical results of prior gun control laws prove you wrong many times over. But what would an uneducated Dotard like yourself know about international gun laws that have worked and worked well for decades.

      • to the Lamp that went out in his head

        Look at the stats Dotard, but you have to move your chubby fat fingers over the keyboard to key in and read them. And by the way you made an utter fool of yourself by admitting you did not know anything about the European stats v/s the U.S. states on gun homicides

  8. States with weaker gun laws have higher rates of firearm related homicides and suicides, study finds

    Once again Robert Reich is vindicated when he was quoting much older studies that came to the same conclusion years ago i.e. more guns means more homicides. European laws also proved that less guns and tougher laws meant less homicides.

    California had the strongest gun laws in the country. Hawaii topped the list with the lowest rate of gun deaths in the country while Mississippi led the country with both the weakest gun laws and highest rate of gun deaths. “What this project does, is show what we’ve been saying for years: Gun laws save lives,

    The analysis, first reported by CNN, put California at the top of the list for gun law strength — a composite score of 84.5 out of 100, with a low rate of 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 residents, and below the national average of 13.6. Hawaii has the lowest rate of gun deaths in the country with the second strongest gun law score. It also has the lowest rate of gun ownership, with firearms in 9% of households, the data shows.

    “Gun laws work, and we need them across the board to ensure that felons, domestic abusers, and those with mental health issues can’t simply go to the next state over to circumvent the very laws meant to keep guns out of their hands.”

    Mississippi has the weakest gun laws with a score of 3 out of 100 and has a rate of 28.6 gun deaths per 100,000 residents — the highest of all states, the research shows.
    Massachusetts has adopted 37 of the 50 policies and has the second-lowest rate of gun deaths, while Missouri has only eight of the gun safety policies and the fourth highest rate of gun deaths in the US. Louisiana and Wyoming are among the top five states with the highest gun deaths and the weakest gun safety laws.

    A list of five foundational laws that have proven to be the most effective in lowering gun violence rates. These include requirements for a background check and/or permits to purchase handguns; a permit to carry concealed guns in public; the secure storage of firearms; the rejection of ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws; and the enactment of ‘extreme risk’ laws that temporarily remove a person’s access to firearms when there is evidence that they pose a serious risk to themselves or others,


    • CNN.

      You effing quoted a study from a reference on CNN. Wow. That’s stupid, even for you.

      Give us the link to the ACTUAL STUDY, you p***brain.

      I could give a flying fornication what Commie News Network had to say. And Robert “The Demented Dward” Reich is taken seriously only by mentally defective Leftist idiots . . . oh, I’m sorry, that’s why you cite him all the time. Woops, my bad, didn’t mean to make fun of your mental issues.

      Have a nice day. Visit the cable.

    • An old vietnamese proverb.
      A scorpion once ask a toad for a ride across a river, the toad looked at the scorpion and said,” Yum dinner. “

    • “Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,”says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January [2013].

      “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

      “The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”


      • Wrong Yellow Devil

        Harvard studies proved that when you resist a robbery with your gun you are many times more likely to end up dead. Their stats proved it beyond all doubt.

        • Dacian,

          Their stats failed to take into account, that many crimes were averted simply because the crooks knew the clerk “may” have a gun. The test is flawed, because it is missing variables.

          This reminds me a study at my university where the thermodynamics professor presented a problem where too much wood/fuel in a home equipped with a wood burning stove resulted in the temperature of the home being colder rather than warmer. The guy would put in wood, resulting in the air intake in the stove increasing, resulting in higher negative pressure in the home increasing, resulting in a greater flow of cold outside air, into the cracks and crevices in the home. In the end, the guy explaining the calculations the man putting wood in the stove was met with rolling eyes, because common sense says the calculations don’t matter, when you are standing next to a blazing hot fire. It’s obvious a large fire is going to be warmer than a small fire, when you are standing next to it.

          Likewise with your statement. I am literally rolling eyes right now for the following reasons:

          Problem No 1:

          Harvard studies proved…

          LOL. Okay. Which harvard studies? You aren’t referencing anti-gun “pay for research” David Hemenway again are you?

          Problem No 2:

          If a guy runs into your store with a gun, do you want the option to have a gun under that counter or not? Maybe you decide not to use it. Maybe you decide to you use it. Aren’t more options better? And in a society where robbers get met with firearms and sometimes shot and killed – isn’t that a deterrent in and of itself?

          Problem No. 3:
          You are literally asking for robbers to have complete and absolute power over you. For you to be disarmed, and to be completely subservient to their requests. This in and of itself is deserving of an eye roll.

          No. Saving lives shouldn’t be the #1 goal here. If some clerks die killing robbers. Great. People that are threatening your life with imminent bodily harm or death, need to die. And if some of us die serving that to them – That’s fine. If anything, it the defensive behavior needs to be expanded. Any robber that enters a store armed ready to point it at the clerk, should get shot at. If every one of them got shot at in every city across America, the behavior would stop altogether.

          Guns save lives.

    • Chose,

      Used to think rant7, like MinorIQ, wasn’t stupid, just deluded. MinorIQ has ramped back on some of his idiotic Constitutional “interpretation”, but rant7 seems to have stepped into the gap to ramp UP his idiocy, and now seems to be dacian the stupid’s wingman.

      It’s a Confederacy of Dunces.

      • Rant7 has openly admitted to being a fascist. He made the comment that the gestapo were patriots. And when debbie w. mentions the murderous nature of the nazi’s rant jumps in to protest and accuse her of being a commie.

        Miner is just slowly revealing his true self. He wants good things for poc as long as they have to come to him, hat in hand, for them. He believes only a superior white man can lead the poor mud races.

        • I found it absolutely amazing that you believe you know what is in my heart and mind.

          And even more surprising is how wrong you are.

        • I’m not wrong, minor. You’re delusional. but that doesn’t make me wrong.

          The very core of gun control is racism. That is the truest statement ever made. You support gun control. And you know that any training requirements or educational requirements for gun ownership are going to allow white privilege to work its magic. Poor poc communities will be left behind gun wise. You know this will happen.

          But push for gun control you do. It’s time for you to admit the truth about yourself that I already know. You’re a white supremeicist.

  9. Open carry in FL is strange. Contrary to the article, it is NOT banned outright. One is allowed to open carry while hunting, fishing, target shooting, OR during travel to or from such activities.
    I kept some used paper targets, making car carry more or less legal. Still… CC is the way.
    AD in KY


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