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From Florida Gun Rights . . .

At a political event over the weekend, Governor Ron DeSantis verbally pledged his support for Constitutional Carry if the Florida Legislature sends the bill to his desk for his signature.

“We’re thrilled that Governor DeSantis has pledged his support for Constitutional Carry – now the legislature must act swiftly, pass Constitutional Carry through both chambers, and get it to Governor DeSantis as soon as possible,” said Matt Collins, Director of Legislation for Florida Gun Rights.

During a reception the Florida GOP held at the Governor’s Mansion on Friday, December 3rd, Matt Collins was able to speak directly with Governor DeSantis, asking if he’d sign Constitutional Carry into law.

“If Constitutional Carry made your desk, would you sign it?” Governor DeSantis instantly responded, “Of course.”

Constitutional Carry is the basic principle that if you are legally eligible to possess a firearm, you should be able to carry that weapon openly or concealed, for self-defense, without having to obtain government “permission.”

21 states have adopted Constitutional Carry, including 5 states just this year, making it one of hottest pro-gun issues of the last decade.

“There’s no excuse for the Florida Legislature to delay the passage of HB 103, Constitutional Carry. With Gov. DeSantis on board, and self-proclaimed pro-gun Republicans in control of both chambers, law-abiding gun owners in Florida deserve to see their elected officials restore gun rights in 2022.” concluded Collins.

Florida Gun Rights considers this issue a legislative priority, will be tracking this bill during the 2022 legislative session and expects all pro-gun members of the state legislature to co-sponsor and support HB 103.

Florida Gun Rights is the Florida affiliate of the National Association for Gun Rights, and is a non-partisan grassroots citizen organization made up of gun owners and lovers of liberty. FLGR is Florida’s No-Compromise Gun Rights Organization

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58 COMMENTS

  1. 0% chance it makes it to his desk. The Florida GOP is very anti gun and will work against it behind the scenes with the media and FL Sheriff association. Fl gun owners don’t really care either. “Good nuff” and “ at least they’re not a Democrat” are all you hear.

    • stateisevil,

      “0% chance it makes it to his desk.”

      I came to say the exact same thing.

      There is no way on God’s green Earth that Florida’s tourism-industrial complex will allow constitutional carry.

      And while we are on the topic of Florida’s tourism-industrial complex–it will never allow open carry except in wilderness areas where tourists will never see it.

      • They might allow constitutional carry before they would support open carry, no permits as long as you keep it hidden where the tourists don’t see it. But I would expect this to die in a committee somewhere convenient so republicrats don’t have to vote on it.

        With Florida’s waiting periods on all gun purchases you would probably still want to have the permit, plus reciprocity with other states if you travel.

    • Funny, We are strong GOP Conservatives/Republicans and believe in the RIGHT TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON without a LICENSE TO CARRY. It is my God given RIGHT to PROTECT MYSELF. No one will ever take that away from me. And just to make myself clear, guns are NOT the only weapons. Even your hands and body are. And I am a woman and 63 yrs. old.
      My husband carries his gun always. Especially in today’s Biden’s Run Amok World. Where it has become anything goes.

  2. Key Findings
    Concealed carry permitting systems typically require training to carry firearms responsibly in public. Permitless carry laws, also called constitutional carry laws, strip away this critical safety component.

    Most states currently require a firearm safety course before a person can get a permit to carry a concealed handgun—including 25 states (and Washington, DC) that require training that involves the live firing of a gun.5 This training ensures that permit holders are aware of responsible practices for handling and carrying guns in public.

    Law enforcement experts, firearm trainers, and military personnel overwhelmingly agree that people who carry concealed weapons in public should take firearm training, including live-fire training.6 In a self-defense experiment involving a firearm simulator, participants with lower levels of firearm training and experience performed worse than those with higher levels of training; many accidentally “shot” innocent bystanders or unarmed people.7 Permitless carry laws let people who have never handled a gun carry one concealed and loaded in public.

    Participants with lower levels of firearm training and experience performed worse than those with higher levels of training; many accidentally “shot” innocent bystanders or unarmed people.

    Vince, Wolfe, and Field, “Firearms Training.”
    Concealed carry permitting systems ensure that only responsible gun owners can carry concealed handguns in public. Permitless carry bills remove these safeguards and allow carry by irresponsible and dangerous people, such as:

    Violent criminals and weapons offenders. In many states, people convicted of certain violent crimes and weapons offenses are disqualified from getting a concealed carry permit. But under permitless carry, these convicted criminals would be legally allowed to carry hidden guns on city streets.
    People who pose a safety risk. Thirty states give law enforcement the authority to deny a permit to people who pose a serious risk to the community, such as those with a history of arrests for violent acts or harassment. Permitless carry strips law enforcement of this authority, forcing them to allow people with violent criminal histories to carry concealed guns throughout the state.8
    Teenagers. In 35 states and Washington, DC, the minimum age to get a concealed carry permit is 21.9 Permitless carry bills would let people as young as 18 carry concealed guns in public, even though research shows that 18-to-20-year-olds commit nearly four times as many gun homicides as adults 21 and over.10

    • “… under permitless carry, these convicted criminals would be legally allowed to carry hidden guns on city streets.”

      Absolutely, totally, and unequivocally FALSE.

      The only things “constitutional carry” does is remove the requirement to train and buy a license. All of the other requirements of a concealed carry license (e.g. clean criminal record) apply to “constitutional carry”.

      Of course dacian, being the mental defective that he/she is, will immediately start hurling insults rather than admit that he/she is wrong and discuss the matter in good faith.

      • “… under permitless carry, these convicted criminals would be legally allowed to carry hidden guns on city streets.”
        Of course, criminals all abide by the law and they are waiting for a constitutional carry law to be passed so that they can carry concealed.

      • Yep, and you need to be able to legally purchase/posses a firearm in the first place and no state would allow such violent convicts to do such.

        A key advantage to consututional carry is to make it easier and more affordable for a law abiding citizen to carry a firearm to defend themselves against such violent criminals in the first place who already ignore any gun laws in order to prey upon others including those who can nor afford to get a CCW permit.

        • Grumpster… I took my state required training for ccw permit. When it came to getting a mug shot and fingerprinted like a damned criminal i tore up the forms. I will not be treated like a criminal to exercise a right that is already granted to me by the Second Amendment. Now i carry under ” permitless carry ” . Like a spare tire, hope i never have to use it but…….

    • Absolutely wrong.
      Constitutional carry removes the requirement to get training. But people are free to do so if they want to.

      Convicted violent criminals would be prohibited persons and unable to legally possess a firearm.

    • Dacian. You are true to your ignorance and spinning of untruths, very consistently. Why do you spew your outright lies.

      Oh well, your credibility is zero!

    • I aplaud all you guys who were able to plow through that ‘word wall’ to know it was BS, my eyes were glazing over. respect.

    • dacian, I am sure you are going to have a heart attack and stroke out when Florida becomes a Constitutional Carry state. Under Constitutional Carry, there would not be any training permitted. But it would not do you any good anyway. You still trying to claim you are a “firearms expert”? You still haven’t answered my question about the firing sequence of a cartridge.

  3. Credo of the Republicans & Ron De Insane-ous, both religious hypocrites.

    Wants to create a private army perhaps to conduct another resurrection of “The Night of Cristal” where his private army can destroy immigrant owned businesses.

    Feeds only those that look like us and pass the drug test

    Gives money only to those that are wealthy and already are with privilege

    Blessed are they that take away health care from the sick and meek

    Fills the ICU’s of Hospitals in Florida by outlawing the wearing of masks to prevent the covid spread to appease his nut case base of the Far Right.

    Believes only the rich and powerful should inherit the earth

    Do not give aid to nations less fortunate because they are shit hole countries.

    If people are in need and are strangers deport them.

    Punish those from other nations who desperately seek asylum, take away their children and put them in cages, after all it worked well for our relatives the Nazi’s.

    Forbid teaching of American History i.e. Critical Race Theory because our dearly departed leader Adolf H would not have approved of it.

    • “Wants to create a private army perhaps to conduct another resurrection of “The Night of Cristal” where his private army can destroy immigrant owned businesses.”

      Already happening, just see any ‘BLM’ mass protest.

      Those aren’t Trump supporters burning Democrat-controlled cities… 🙂

      • Exactly watch BLM protest we need constitutional carry and I think it will pass and become law because of reelection and all that so I really think we will have law very soon people really rally around it’s and it’s a agreeable topic for Florida’s plus there’s alot of constitutional carry bills and petitions going around so I’m alot more optimistic about it than ever and anyone who says constitutional carry removes safety elements and let’s convicted felons or violence criminals carry a gun need to use there head it just removes the permitting requirements

    • You sound like WOKE and CANCEL CULTURE and BLACK to me. We don’t allow the uneducated and mindless drivel in Florida.

    • Speaking of hypocrites, it’s you who claims to be a firearms “expert” but you still can’t answer the simple question I posed over a month ago.
      I doubt you know which end the bullet exits.

  4. “ …if the Florida Legislature sends the bill to his desk for his signature… “

    That is about a wimpy ass advocate for Second Amendment rights, what a poser.

    Do you guys really think this is a viable candidate for the presidency in 2024?
    He will be just like trump and roll up even more gun rights, all while talking about what a great supporter he is of a “second amendment solution”.

    • He’s made no such declaration of intention, so it’s pretty moot.

      If you’re truly a “49er” as you call yourself, you’d be better off cleaning up your homeland of San Francisco rather than concerning yourself with the deeds of Floridians.

    • I’m willing to bet he’d be able to find a better way to punish Russia that doesn’t involve punishing American gun owners as well. We all know that was intentional.

      No I don’t really want to bet with you Miner after you ran away from the last bet you lost. I am curious though. Did you actually think Biden was going to maintain a secure border? He literally didn’t have to do anything. It was already done for him. Trump handed him a secure border, and Biden opened it. Now pay up like a big boy, or at least be a man and acknowledge that you lost that bet.

        • “right wing extremist propaganda” LOL what?

          “Migrants were encountered 1.7 million times in the last 12 months, the highest number of illegal crossings recorded since at least 1960.”
          https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/politics/border-crossings-immigration-record-high.html

          “the new administration was holding record numbers of unaccompanied migrant teens and children in detention cells”
          https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/unaccompanied-minors-detention-cells/2021/03/10/a0d39390-81c6-11eb-bb5a-ad9a91faa4ef_story.html

          What happened to the kids in cages crowd? Why isn’t AOC crying in a parking lot? It’s almost like they don’t care about kids in cages. THAT was the propaganda. I only deal in facts. The truth is, I said the Puppet would immediately end all policies intended to stop illegal immigration, and he did. The result of that is a record number of crossings, and a record number of kids separated from their families, and sitting in cages. You know, the cages built by the Obama administration.

          If you want to get literal about opening the border, he also stopped physical border wall construction that was in process. Why is that?

        • Miner49er, The fantasy is all yours. Biden has opened the border in spite of his claim that the border is “closed”. If you don’t believe that, can you tell me how all these illegal aliens are crossing the border in droves?

      • “On Oct. 1, a recorded 22,129 immigrants were in ICE detention centers, a 56% increase since Biden took office, according to statistics compiled by Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, also known as TRAC. Overall, 75% of ICE detainees have no criminal record — ICE classifies a person as a convicted criminal even if the crime is as innocuous as not keeping a dog on a leash, according to TRAC’s analysis.

        At the start of the coronavirus pandemic in March 2020, the number of people in ICE detention was 38,000, according to TRAC’s analysis. Just before Biden took office in January 2021, the number of detainees decreased to as low as 15,000 — a 60% drop. That downward trend continued for the first month of the Biden administration before the number of ICE detainees started to rise.”

        https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/joe-biden-ice-immigration-detention/amp/

        • You’re telling me that illegal aliens in detention centers is up over 50%. Why do you think that is? They’re processing them Miner. They’re letting them in. They are ILLEGALLY letting them in. We have immigration laws for a reason. They Biden administration is letting everyone coming across the southern border bypass immigration laws.

          People are flying from countries all over the world into Mexico so they can walk across the border. There’s been about 2,000,000 people coming across this year. Why didn’t that happen last year? The administration is lying, saying they only want to come temporarily. Of course they all want citizenship. One of the first acts of the Puppet Administration was to undo the policies that stopped illegal immigration, just like I said they would do, just like we bet on. You can’t seriously be this dumb which means you just lie.

        • Tell us why Sleepy Joe your hero hasn’t had these illegal aliens tested for the Red Chinese Virus?
          How about all those illegal aliens Sleep Joe has released into America?

    • Miner49er Speaking of posers, you seem to think you are some kind of Einstein. You make me laugh at your shenanigans. A LEGALLY ARMED SOCIETY is a polite society.
      We are sure you are not polite.

  5. Hope it happens in Florida. It will never happen in my current commie home state of Illinois where the racist democrat politicians have made it so expensive to get a CCW permit that those largely minority law abiding citizens that need it most in the ultra violent ghettos can not afford to do so which is fine with them leaving their families to the mercy of the gang thugs allowed to thrive there by policies of the democrat mayor of Chicago and democrat Cook County DA Kim Foxx.

  6. You get nothing for free. If you want constitutional carry you need to work for it. Because there are certainly many who are working against it.

    • “You get nothing for free.”

      Not true, Chris, and I can *prove* it.

      Stress, aggravation, and bullshit are 100-percent *free*.

      How much would you like, good sir? 🙂

  7. Dacian,

    “But under permitless carry, these convicted criminals would be legally allowed to carry hidden guns on city streets.”
    Certain convicted criminals are not legally allowed to possess a firearm by Federal and State Laws. Your copy and paste is inaccurate.

    “Permitless carry bills would let people as young as 18 carry concealed guns in public, even though research shows that 18-to-20-year-olds commit nearly four times as many gun homicides as adults 21 and over.”

    Federal Law prohibits those under 21 from carrying a handgun except for being in military service as a part of their duties. Did this research account for gang activity?

    “Wants to create a private army perhaps to conduct another resurrection of “The Night of Cristal” where his private army can destroy immigrant owned businesses.”

    Several States have a State Guard, this is no different than other States like New York who maintains a State Guard as well. Nowhere in the history of these State Guards have they been used as you suggest. New York has even activated and used it’s State Guard recently as other States have.

    “Feeds only those that look like us and pass the drug test

    Gives money only to those that are wealthy and already are with privilege

    Blessed are they that take away health care from the sick and meek”

    It has been shown many times in research that people who identify as Republicans give much more to charity than those who identify as Democratic.

    “Fills the ICU’s of Hospitals in Florida by outlawing the wearing of masks to prevent the covid spread to appease his nut case base of the Far Right.”

    Rhode Island and New Mexico have the highest percentage of ICU occupancy for Covid. Johns Hopkins University shows that states such as Vermont, Iowa, Rhode Island, West Virginia and Kansas are all seeing a spike in COVID-19 cases. Florida wasn’t even mentioned in the critical mass status for ICU’s. Some places are R and some D. Looking at the issue from a County level you will find Covid doesn’t discriminate by Party affiliation.

    “Believes only the rich and powerful should inherit the earth

    Do not give aid to nations less fortunate because they are shit hole countries.”

    More of talking points than reality. We give many first world Countries money. Even Countries that would kill an American. Cockroaches and lower life forms will inherit the Earth. After the next extinction level event, very few things will survive. Surely none of us will.

    ” If people are in need and are strangers deport them.

    Punish those from other nations who desperately seek asylum, take away their children and put them in cages, after all it worked well for our relatives the Nazi’s.”

    We have a robust immigration system. We accept many people from many places. We have some requirements, not be of a character that is criminal, not be diseased ( unless being taken to certain institutions for treatment ) and complete the process to enter the US legally.

    Kids in cages, those photos were from when Obama was in office. Obama was a Nazi in your eyes? Is Biden a Nazi as well since he was VP and now POTUS while kids are in cages? Trump did separate children from adults. Non relatives were bringing children, and many children were being sexually assaulted and abused. Would you rather those things go unabated while people illegally migrate here or would you prefer finding the truth and making sure people are who they say they are?

    You can’t go to any other Country in the World, enter illegally and expect to be treated with welcome arms. Try going to Canada illegally, anywhere in Europe or in the East. See what happens to you.

    “Forbid teaching of American History i.e. Critical Race Theory because our dearly departed leader Adolf H would not have approved of it.”

    Hitler would have approved of CRT, a way of demonizing others to fulfill a goal. CRT is not education, it is based in half-truths, and does not fulfill the name it uses. Race theory is one more way to divide people, telling some they will always be victims and others they are oppressor’s. Great lessons for children. Billy you are white so you are responsible for all of the atrocities committed against Derrick because he is black. Billy and Derrick are 7 years old, hardly the oppresser and victim of the past that none of us participated in.

      • No, I absolutely read the graph. You said it was “the lowest that it had ever been in the history of the U.S.” Not only was it NOT the lowest, it was higher than almost the entire history of this country! In addition to that, the lowest year of Trump was about even with 2012 and 2015 under Obama, and it was still HIGHER than 2013 and 2014 under Obama. Let me help you with the math. Immigration under Trump was even with of MORE than four years of immigration under Obama.

        I asked you where you get your information. I see now that it doesn’t matter where you get your information. You only see what you want to see. If reality doesn’t conform to your prejudices, then you just ignore reality.

      • Where’s the lie dacian? I never said immigration didn’t drop under Trump. Go back to the beginning of the conversation. Do you want to talk about how much it dropped? From 2016 to 2019, it dropped about 152,000. Under Obama, from 2009 to 2013, it dropped about 140,000. Taken as a percentage from the total, the drops were virtually identical. Everything else I said is backed up by the data. Once again, you’re intentionally misinterpreting the data so you don’t have to admit that YOU are the one that has been wrong from the very beginning of this conversation, and not just a little wrong I might add. I did not say one single thing that was false. Like I said, you believe what you want. You create your own false reality that enforces your prejudices.

      • I don’t care to take that much time out of my day. When I see one of your long rants, I usually skip it. Yes, I just read the very beginning which I knew was the opposite from the truth. I couldn’t resist calling you out on it. Not that it matters. You’ve shown that you’re willing to ignore the data (see above), and double down on your lies.

    • “Stephen Miller under Herr Drumpf was an avowed racist who lowered immigration to the lowest that it had ever been in the history of the U.S. Out of one side of his mouth he screamed that any immigrant coming here would be deported if they did not work and out of the other side of his mouth he screamed he was lowering the amount of immigration because immigrants took jobs away from Americans. You cannot have it both ways.”

      It is not racists to lower legal immigration numbers. Otherwise your European civilized Countries are committed racist’s as well, making you a racist. Why would you want to have high numbers of immigrants who do not work and contribute to society? We have enough Leftists here not contributing that we can’t afford.

      “Trump banned all Syrian immigrants and travel to the U.S. even for relatives yet it was the son of a Syrian Immigrant who invented the cell phone and brought billions of profit to the U.S. just one example of immigrants enriching the economy of the U.S. going back to day 1 of the founding of the U.S.”

      Wrong. What he did was suspend the US Refugee Admissions Programm for 120 days. There was a ban on refugees from Syria until “significant changes” are made. A vetting program was needed for the influx. And there was also a 90-day suspension on anyone arriving from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen, except certain visa categories such as diplomats. This is not racists. A Country that cannot control its border is a Country that will no longer exist. You need to deal in reality, not in a fantasy world where everyone passes the bong around a campfire dreaming about nirvana.

      “And Para-Storm Trooper you are a damn liar when it comes to Obama. It was Jeff Sessions who came up with the evil Nazi Plan to separate children from parents and put them in cages. ”

      Who was the POTUS when the children were put in cages at the border? Was it Trump or Sessions? No. Sessions had no authority to place children in cages, not in his line of authority. Obama had the authority and responsibility of the border issues. He could delegate his authority down the chain but he cannot delegate responsibility.

      “And the majority of the States you mentioned did not try to outlaw the wearing of masks to prevent the covid spread that only came from the depraved Ron De-Insane-ous.”

      Do you even realize what you said here? A lack of mandated mask wearing and Fl is not in the critical stage that the other States are who did. Think about that.

      I didn’t lie at all. The more you think you are making clever insults the more you are trying to cover. No one buys it except your fellow fanatics.

      • You are an expert at conflating.

        I don’t watch Fox. Obama was the one who put children in cages . Under Trump, and I stated that before, children were separated from adults at the border. And you know why it was done. And if you don’t think it was the right thing to do to protect those children, you are a special kind of evil.

        Florida still isn’t as bad off as other States. A fact you don’t acknowledge. Yet still fact.

        Your attempt at insult is childish and not clever at all. A good insult draws on the truth and is made in a manner that reflects the truth. I wasn’t a Captain, nor do I believe in the Nazi ideology. I am a protectionist and a realists. Nor am I racist as your character is what matters. I don’t know who you are ethnically or in gender and I dislike your character.

        Step up your game. Maybe make a more intelligent argument? Doubtful you can raise to a higher level, but you did set the bar low enough to get over it.

      • State Guards are not under Federal control. The National Guard is. Two separate entities.

        I knew you couldn’t step up.

      • So now you know State Guards are not Federal forces. You learned something today.

        Next lesson, you made a point that people who immigrated could be deported if they didn’t work. I didn’t say that, you said that supposedly quoting someone else you are demonizing. In fact, it is not racists to expect someone who immigrates here to provide for themselves and their families. The fact is the majority of those who immigrate here do work, they do provide and that is respectful. I never stated immigrants didn’t have jobs or took jobs away from citizens, not ever and not in this disagreement. However, with every group of people there are individuals who do not contribute. Native and immigrant alike. If there is someone who refuses to work and to provide for themselves or their families, what is your idea of what we as a society should do? If we deport the very few immigrates who don’t want to work you say we are racists. If we don’t accept every individual who wants to immigrate, you say we are racists. If we state immigration should follow rules and procedures, we are racists. I say the sky is blue, somehow you will find that racists. You see racism in everything, therefore, such as the racism practiced by the far left, true racism will pass you by

        Did you know New York State, Connecticut, California and many left leaning States have a State Guard? Georgia, Mississippi and Indiana do too. All of which have deployed the States Guard in disasters and emergencies. I don’t here you saying those States have a private Army for the Governors. Florida has had a State Guard, they are only re-funding it and to think it is anything other that it already was, is conspiracy whacko theory.

        Follow some logic here, you compare DeSantis as Hitler. Hitler controlled what people did, he didn’t allow personal freedoms. Hitler mandated things. DeSantis is doing the polar opposite of Hitler. The Hitler comparison is a reach and actually intellectually lazy.

        And Florida’s deaths have not been more than other States, especially when you consider the population of the elderly. Maybe DeSantis giving people choices worked pretty good after all? Maybe not, but the statistics don’t show Florida being worse off than other States.

        In fact I agree that covid deaths were needless. You blame Trump and the Republican’s, but forget who made this virus and by either a lack of following protocols, or by design allowed this virus out of a lab. If you want to be angry about covid deaths, it is better served to direct that anger at where it came from. Unless you believe the Chinese story we made it and released it in China.

  8. In GA, only the former Democrat running for Governor promises constitutional carry.
    In my county in 2020, our Sheriff stepped down and I reached out to the two Republican front runners and the leading Democrat and asked them if they would declare our county a 2A sanctuary.
    No reply except for one Republican’s daughter who assured me that her father was pro 2A. I said that didn’t answer my question. They blocked me.
    I hate Democrats and I hate RINOs.
    We are alone. The answer is us. You want Constitutional carry? Then just do it. Stop waiting for Superman. If we are created in God’s image, time to start living up to it and stop following man. Follow God. Be Godlike. Fear nothing. If you aren’t willing to be righteous in opposition to law of man, you will never be a free man. You can be confined to a cell for living free or you can be obedient to man and never be free. We all die at some point. What will you make of your life right before your last breath? Did you promote freedom or did you do nothing and allow tyranny to rule another century?

  9. Good! The ‘bad’ guys already carry w/o a permit, so why not allow the ‘good’ guys to carry? ‘Gun control’ laws are a joke. They only hamper law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves and their families. Criminals couldn’t care less about ‘gun control’ laws or any other law — that’s why they are called criminals.

  10. Perhaps we should demand a government permit to be allowed to post on sites like this, or post on Twitter. Perhaps we should demand permits to have children, get jobs, own property, or travel more than walking distance from our homes. Makes as much sense as demanding we get a permit to own, purchase, or carry a gun.
    As to the claims of a permit mandates training, etc. How many of the punks and thugs in the hood or trailer court bothered to get a permit? Or any training? As with my current home state, the LEO and Sherriff’s organizations support permits. for a couple simple reasons. The current system of permits in Al. puts the fee into the local county Sherriff’s coffers. In a few municipalities, that money goes into the local PD. Next, is the use of the add on charge of carrying without a permit. Confiscate the weapon, charge a nice fat fine, which also is a felony charge in many states, so the poor person now can’t even legally own a gun anymore. As it is in most of Europe, gun ownership is limited to the wealthy or well connected. Common citizen need not apply.Got to keep the peasants in their place.

  11. “I checked BBC America you damn liar and immigration fell 65%”

    Quote me on anything I lied about genius. You were the one that was pushing a lie. I refuted your lie. As a matter of fact, your lie wasn’t even in the ballpark. In your defense, it probably wasn’t an intentional lie. You just have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Now you’re lying yet again, or more accurately, you’re unintentionally pushing more lies due to your ignorance. No, immigration did NOT fall 65% per that BBC graph. The graph specifically says admitted refugees were down 65%. Refugees account for a small sliver of our total immigration. You’re conflating the two as if it’s the same thing.

    If you want to discuss refugee policy, that’s fine, but that isn’t what you said. Go back to the beginning of the conversation.

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