Italian Police Arrest 3 Men, Confiscate Firearms and an Air-To-Air Missile

Police stand by a missile seized at an airport hangar near Pavia, northern Italy, following an investigation into Italians who took part in the Russian-backed insurgency in eastern Ukraine, in Turin, Italy, Monday, July 15, 2019. Police in northern Italy have detained three men, including one tied to a neo-fascist Italian political party, after uncovering a huge stash of automatic weapons, a missile and Nazi propaganda. (Tino Romano/ANSA via AP)

Cleary what Italy needs is a national conversation about ballistic weapons, a mandatory buyback and some common sense air-to-air missile control. These weapons of war have no place in Italy’s skies.

From the AP:

Rome – Police in northern Italy have detained three men, including one linked to a neo-fascist Italian political party, after uncovering a huge stash of automatic weapons, a missile and material featuring Nazi symbols.

Police said the discoveries stemmed from a previous investigation into Italians who took part in the Russian-backed insurgency in eastern Ukraine.

In a statement Monday, Turin police said one of the men arrested had in 2001 run unsuccessfully as a Senate candidate for the neo-fascist Forza Nuova party. At his home in Gallarate, police found nine assault weapons, nearly 30 hunting rifles, pistols and bayonets as well as ammunition and antique Nazi plaques featuring swastikas.

Two other men were detained after police found a French-made missile at an airport hangar that they apparently were seeking to sell.

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  1. avatar John B Thayer says:

    Me ne frego!

    1. avatar Antonio Silvio says:

      For sale…one French missile, never fired by the Russians, only dropped once by the Italians. Va Bene!

  2. avatar Mr no says:

    That’s a reason for gun [email protected]

    1. avatar j says:

      shouldn’t that be missile control?

  3. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

    The French make missiles? Huh. I thought they just made vests.

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      They also invented the reverse gear for transmissions.

      1. avatar B.D. says:

        and the tactical maneuver we now refer to as “retreat”.

      2. avatar Will Drider says:

        And built the Nuclear Reactor in Iran.

    2. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

      “The French make missiles? Huh. I thought they just made vests.”

      The air-launched French-made ‘Exocet’ missile is one of the finest anti-ship missiles available.

      During the 80s Falklands war, one sank the British HMS Sheffield…

    3. avatar MaddMaxx says:

      They build a pretty bad ass fighter jet to hang that missle on as well..

    4. avatar GluteusMaximus says:

      And berets

  4. avatar GeorgiaBob says:

    Never fear. It is a French air-to-air missile. Far more dangerous to the people trying to fire it than to anyone targeted by the weapon.

    Be very afraid of the hunting rifles.

    1. avatar CTstooge says:

      If they only had a Dassault Rafael to hang it on….

    2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      Judging by the photo, it looks like the French technology only shoots a missile several feet out of the launcher. Then it makes for a great photo op.

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Now that there was funny!

      2. avatar j says:

        That is more the result of Franco-Italian cooperation. Afterwards 36,000 Italians surrendered to a British Tourist named Tommy Atkins

    3. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

      “Never fear. It is a French air-to-air missile.”

      Fear it if it’s a French ‘Exocet’. Ask the sailors on the HMS ‘Sheffield’…

    4. avatar California Richard says:

      The super secret ninja police didn’t look too concerned. Just cracked that shipping container open and hulled that baby out. Looks like it did a nose dive into the concrete on the way out. Neo-nazis have guided missiles and explosives? What ever! EOD is for pussies.

    5. avatar MaddMaxx says:

      You sure can’t hang that thing on the bottom of your average Cessna 150/182….. Attempts to fire it from the ground would be ineffective AND possibly extremely life altering to those idiots who try it….

  5. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    Other than the fact that pretty much anybody can get anything they want. Despite any laws to the contrary; why do we care?

  6. avatar daveinwyo says:

    Can I have one, please?

    1. avatar SouthAl says:

      One is none and two is one.

      I want mine with the shoulder thing that goes up.

  7. avatar MikeJH121 says:

    I want air to air capability, just not French….it fires then turns around and makes the shooters surrender to the plane. Makes me wonder though, where is the launcher?

    1. avatar MaddMaxx says:

      That big “green thing” lurking behind the missile is the launch pod the pod plugs into a socket on the fighters wing and the actual launch is controlled by a computer when engaged by the pilot..

      1. avatar SkorpionFan says:

        That green thing is the transportation/storage container. The missile is removed from this container and mounted on a launch rail under the fighter wing.

        1. avatar MaddMaxx says:

          Yeah what you said… Don’t know what I was thinking about…

    2. avatar Jeh says:

      Probably back in qatar where they bought the missile

  8. avatar Manse Jolly says:

    That’s one big air-to air.

    Wonder what carries it. 747?

    1. avatar WI Patriot says:

      Appears to be smaller than an AIM-54 Phoenix AAM, and that was launched from an F-14 Tomcat…

      1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

        Just shows how much I don’t know but it looks freakin huge.

      2. avatar How_Terrible says:

        It might look similar to an AIM-54, but that is a Matra Super 530. It’s closest American equivalent is the final iterations of the AIM-7 Sparrow. Both of them are missiles that rely on semi-active radar guidance. That means that the launching aircraft must guide the missile all the way to the target. While neither missile is totally obsolete they are both most certainly on the obsolescent side of things by most modern standards.

    2. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

      “Wonder what carries it. 747?”

      That Matra Super 530F air-to-air missile is usually fired by a Dassault Mirage F1 :

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_530

      1. avatar SkorpionFan says:

        This wikipedia article has already been updated to include this incident in Italy. Funny that the list of “Former Users” now includes “Italy Neo Nazis.”

        1. avatar Felix says:

          That’s pretty funny! I wonder how long it will last before the notoriously humorless editors drop it.

        2. avatar Felix says:

          And…. gone!

        3. Wikipedia’s editors deleted it, so I added it back again!

          FORMER OPERATORS:
          “Italian neo-Nazis, until seized in a police raid on 15 July 2019.”

          You’re welcome!

        4. avatar Felix says:

          Keep it up, it makes me laugh, and the wikipedia snobs need to get a life 🙂

    3. avatar Jeh says:

      Its a matra magic. Vintage 70s air to air technology

  9. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    Back in the day French rifles were for sale cheap in Shotgun News. The pitch was, “Never fired. Only dropped once.”

    1. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

      Gladsden: Hahaha …Good one… that’s a laugh-out-loud one!

    2. avatar "take yur paws off my dead guy" possum says:

      That’s an old ARVN joke

      1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

        Possum, you’re right, but the weapon depended on what we gave them.

  10. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Now that’s Keeping Arms.

  11. avatar jwm says:

    neo-nazi. We call them antifa here.

    1. avatar B.D. says:

      no we call neo-nazi’s – neo nazi’s and antifa – antifa. Same stupidity, different category, one is racist.

      1. avatar MaddMaxx says:

        Don’t kid yourself “antifa” is just as racist as any bunch of neo-nazi/skinheads.. They call themselves Anti Fascist yet use the very tactics employed by FASCISTS… They are terrorists and they are COWARDS… If you have right on your side you don’t hide your face and launch group assaults on individuals including women, the elderly, service men and even a person trying to record them to tell their story (who happened to be a GAY asian).. They are a tool of the radical left and they will only be tolerated for so long…

        1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

          Mad, I think the ANTIFA movement is a serious threat to the United States of America. They should be fired upon with lethal ammunition.

        2. avatar MaddMaxx says:

          They are years away from being a “serious threat” most of them are young and soon grow to see the error of their ways and head off to find some other useless cause. It is the leadership (mostly radical left wing/socialist/communist college professors) that perpetuate the movement through brainwashing and indoctrination that should be the primary targets of any “flushing” operation…

        3. avatar B.D. says:

          Dude. I get it. They both suck. But Antifa is made up of all races.

        4. avatar MaddMaxx says:

          Hmmmm so only WHITES hold the monopoly on RACISM? Yeah I get it too DUDE!!

        5. avatar B.D. says:

          I don’t think you do. If it was BLM then yes, racist. But Antifa is made of all different races and has no racial motivation. They simply exist to cause chaos and anarchy, and they accept anyone who is down to help their cause. There are black racists movements, white racist movements, etc etc… but antifa, is not racist. They are just retarded. You can google image “Antifa” and every single picture has the evidence you need they are not racist.

    2. avatar User1 says:

      Didn’t Italy start Antifa to fight the Nazis? Isn’t that why American Antifa chant in that language?

      1. avatar jwm says:

        American antifa. If it looks like a duck, has feathers like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it’s fascist. Antifa’s actions mark them, not their words.

        1. avatar Ing says:

          What they really are is communist LARPers playing out their own regressive fantasies of 1930s Europe’s fascists vs. commies turmoil.

          Regardless of what we call them, Fezzik’s wisdom applies: People in masks cannot be trusted. (Fortunately they also make great targets.)

  12. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    The other thing it’s an air to air. Were the idiots going to steal a Mirage to hang it on. And if so who was going to fly it? Because after all that every air force on the planet would be after your ass.

    1. avatar TrueBornSonofLiberty says:

      I’m wondering what the payload is and can it be used as an IED? Perhaps a static placement is all that it’s good for. No one is walking around with an unaccounted for traditional air delivery platform.

      1. avatar B.D. says:

        It’s a big ass bomb. It can be used for explodey things. The explosives are the most valuable part.

        1. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

          “It’s a big ass bomb. It can be used for explodey things. The explosives are the most valuable part.”

          The article stated it had no warhead.

          Info on the missile :

          https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28976/italian-cops-raid-neo-fascists-and-find-air-to-air-missile-that-france-had-sold-to-qatar

        2. avatar barnbwt says:

          LOL, so some goon had it solely because he thought it was cool, then. I can dig it.

        3. avatar B.D. says:

          Yea I have to agree. No explosives = kind of a cool novelty to have around the house IMHO. I mean, being prior combat engineer, I would still think the explosives being inside would be cool to have too 😉

      2. avatar Felix says:

        Even if it had a warhead, it was only 30 kg. That’s no big ass bomb.

      3. avatar Southern Cross says:

        Most of the casing will be propellant for the solid fuel rocket engine. It could explode with assistance from the warhead.

    2. avatar Mad Max says:

      Nah. They were going to launch it from the roof of their Citroën but they hit a low bridge first.

      Good thing. The missle might have stood still and the Citroën might have been launched backwards.

      1. avatar B.D. says:

        If it was a Renault, the Renault would explode and the missile would drive you home.

  13. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    So they steal this air to air missile, so what were they gonna mount it on, a Cessna?

    1. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

      A Cessna Citation ‘X’, maybe, if they can fit a rail on it. And whatever targeting avionics it likely needs…

      1. avatar Karl says:

        Put on a 1-6 Trijicon AccuPower and 45 degree offset sights. Good enough!

    2. avatar tdiinva says:

      You an use an air-to-air missile as a SAM. See Sea Sparrow and ground based AAMRAM.

      1. avatar troutbum5 says:

        No warhead and nothing to guide it with. Basically just a giant Estes model rocket, if it had an intact motor and they could figure out how to fire it.

    3. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      The US is not the only country were you can legally own supersonic military aircraft. You just have to have enough money to buy one. Just like have enough $$$ to buy a Tommy Gun. Don’t forget civilian museums buy aircraft for display all the time.

      “Florida-based Draken International, which boasts a fleet of more than 50 jets—actually succeeded in importing some 27 Russian-built MiG-21 fighters to use for training purposes. In addition to the MiGs, the company operates some 11 Douglas A-4K Skyhawk attack aircraft—but those aircraft are upgraded with electronics including a radar from upgraded European-operated versions of the F-16 fighter jet. Draken’s fleet also includes nine Italian-built Aermacchi MB-339CB advanced trainers, 28 Czech-built Aero Vodochody L-159E light combat jets, and five L-39s.”

      https://www.thedailybeast.com/air-force-turns-to-supersonic-mercenaries

      1. avatar MaddMaxx says:

        Yeah that’s at least a couple more than 50

        1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          Small countries have small air forces. Sometimes they even rent planes from civilians.

      2. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

        ““Florida-based Draken International, which boasts a fleet of more than 50 jets”

        They are right here in my town, about 3 miles from me right now. And you can hear them clearly when they come and go. The guys flying them are mostly retired ex-Navy F-14 and F-18 Hornet drivers…

      3. avatar Southern Cross says:

        Interesting fact. PepsiCo once had a naval fleet that would have been better than many nations consisting of a cruiser, several destroyers, a number of submarines, as well as freighters and tankers. They got them in exchange from the USSR for their products during the 1980s.

        The warships were supposedly scrapped and the freighters and tankers were leased out through a Norwegian company.

  14. avatar Hank says:

    They’re not even good Nazis. If they were, they would’ve given that missile a proper black and white V2 style paint job.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      That there was also funny!

    2. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

      Hank, V-2. That’s a good one. lol Really.

      1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

        a trueboattail speedster.
        but the stutz, citroen and auburn came first.

  15. avatar Sean G./The Rookie says:

    I think that is a “Super 530” missile. More or less equivalent to the AIM-7 Sparrow, from what I’ve read.

    1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

      Sean, I could be wrong, but I think the AIM series of missles were the heat seeking Sidewinders. I believe the Sparrow was a radar guided air to air. Again, I could be wrong. After all, I spent most of my time pounding the ground under an Alice ruck.

      1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

        Well, I pounded the ground after they made me jump out of that C-130, or that C-141, or that Shithook, or that Huey. Wait! Did I just tell everyone how old I am?

        1. avatar daveinwyo says:

          Yeah. Jump school; 4 from a C119, one from a 141, after that… best was a Huey over Gatun lake in PT clothes.

        2. avatar Manse Jolly says:

          If you know where the Hell Hole is on a Uh-1h, then yeah your as old as dirt and the first PMCS you ever did was on a wagon wheel. j/k

        3. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

          Manse, if you were last out the door. and that means right behind the pilot/co-pilot and you didn’t bump the skid you did good. Speaking of a UH-1H. Deployed on a Blackhawk. Pathfindered them into an LZ. Never jumped one. They were so new I don’t think they had a protocol before I ETS. Not sure if they jump them today..

      2. avatar SkorpionFan says:

        AIM stands for Air Intercept Missile.
        Examples AIM-7 Sparrow, AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-54 Phoenix, and AIM-120 AMRAAM

        The U.S. DOD uses a Mission-Design-Series (MDS) Designation for missile and rocket names, which has up to eight separate parts.
        Example AIM-9P-2 Sidewinder
        The A in slot 1 stands for its launch environment. (Air)
        The I in slot 2 stands for its mission. (Interception)
        The M in slot 3 stands for its vehicle type. (Guided Missile)
        The 9 in slot 4 stands for its design number. (Nine)
        The P in slot 5 stands for its series letter, which run A-Z. (P here)
        The 2 in slot 7 indicates its configuration
        The name “Sidewinder” in slot 8 is the popular name.
        The blank in slot 6 (before slot 1 as a prefix) is for a non-operational configuration

        1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

          Skorpion, defer to your expertise. As I said, I was a ground pounder after the birds gave me a ride. Then made me jump out.

  16. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    … Police in northern Italy have detained three men … after uncovering a huge stash of automatic weapons …

    Let me guess: that “huge stash” of automatic weapons consisted of four or five firearms?

  17. avatar Dan says:

    Shall not be infringed!

    1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      Yes martha, that’s correct. The Second Amendment refers to ARMS, NOT guns.

  18. avatar Someone says:

    Oh, noes! Plaques with (gasp) swastikas on them – those things are deadly!

    1. avatar Anonymous says:

      Probably not as many as in the average TTAGer’s house…

  19. avatar GS650G says:

    It’s a French missile so it’s drop proof.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      And that was also quite funny!

      Wow, the Armed Intelligencia are on a roll today!

  20. avatar John Boch says:

    What do you mean I can’t put that in checked baggage?

  21. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    This is one time I concur with cops hiding their faces. They don’t need clowns with this kind of stuff personally looking for them.

  22. avatar User1 says:

    Reports say most of the guns were from America, Austria and Germany. They also had moderators/silencers.

    I think they were caught when they used the spy agencies AI monitored WhatsApp.

  23. avatar Pat says:

    If you ban air-to-air missiles, then only the criminals will have air-to-air missiles.

  24. avatar former water walker says:

    So are these REAL Nazis?!? Not a bunch of Antifa chitheads? BTW an enemy of the 2A died-John Paul Stevens. Satan welcomed him…

    1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      +1

    2. avatar Ing says:

      So John Paul Stevens is actually dead? Good riddance. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if the NY Times had him writing op-eds from the grave.

  25. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

    “Cleary what Italy needs is a national conversation about ballistic weapons, a mandatory buyback and some common sense air-to-air missile control. These weapons of war have no place in Italy’s skies.”

    If you hillbilies and Jethro’s don’t want this stuff to happen in our country, you better join our cause. That is the Socialist Party within our present government. We know how to educate people. We know how to enact sweeping changes on a national level. We are the future of this country. Believe it.

    1. avatar MaddMaxx says:

      I don’t need a crystal ball to tell the “Socialist Party” their future in America… Brainwashing is not educating and free stuff for everyone is not change… Save yourselves a world of pain and embarrassment and just take your happy asses and your communist and antifa buddies back to Venezuela.. You will not be allowed to turn this country into another 3rd world shit hole.. Happy trails..

    2. avatar B.D. says:

      Well, at least you finally admit how much of an idiot you are. At first you tried to hide. Now you are just out in the open with your retardation and admitting to trolling. Get a life dude. You don’t change anything by ranting on comment sections. You just use animosity to vent your angers and make your alter ego equally as retarded as your real life presentation. People like you are all smiles in person. At your dead end retail jobs. All teeth in the unemployment lines. You are not fooling anyone, even at your rallies when you get your head bashed in by batons.

      1. avatar MaddMaxx says:

        Sooo are you a hillbilly or a Jethro? Personally I’m an Eastern Ky hillbilly and damned proud of it… Much better than being a brainwashed, indoctrinated, mass produced clone spouting the same bullshit (rhetoric to the clones) on every issue and attempting to silence the free speech of those who disagree with them in an attempt to gain approval from their leftist socio/communist masters…

        1. avatar B.D. says:

          I think you are confused again. That reply was for Vlad… and if you read it, it would makes sense that way, or was your reply supposed to be for Vlad too? Because mine was directly under his comment, and yours was under mine. Slow down dude. pay attention.

    3. avatar Ironhead says:

      You make it sound like being a hillbilly is a bad thing. I’ll take it over being a city slicker any day. And seeing how socialism leads to communism and there has never been a successful communist country, I doubt very highly that it is the way of the future. Since your antifa friends are getting more and more violent everyday, eventually something will be done about it.

  26. avatar jakee308 says:

    Looks an old Navy Tartar Surface to air from the 60’s.

    1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      That was my first thought as well.

  27. avatar forp says:

    I wonder if that thing is CA legal because of the 4 fin-grips.

  28. avatar Wally1 says:

    So, I have to ask, is it actually illegal to own or be in possession of a missile? Show me the statute, just asking, not assuming.

  29. avatar SkorpionFan says:

    Wally1, In the U.S., this missile is a destructive device and a weapon of mass destruction.
    Excerpts from the law:
    18 U.S. Code § 2332a.Use of weapons of mass destruction
    (a) Offense Against a or Within the United States.—A person who, without lawful authority, uses, threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass destruction—…

    (c) Definitions.—For purposes of this section—

    (2)the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
    (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;

    18 U.S. Code § 921.Definitions

    (4)The term “destructive device” means—
    (A)any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
    (i) bomb,
    (ii) grenade,
    (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
    (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
    (v) mine, or
    (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;

  30. avatar Username says:

    Must be some Operation Gladio leftovers.

  31. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    This was used to shoot down german V1 cruise missiles flying toward england in 1944. If you have the $$$ you can buy it.

    Swedish Anti Aircraft Artillery: Bofors 40mm Automatic Gun M1

  32. avatar aircooled says:

    Now that’s an “Arsenal”!

  33. avatar SkorpionFan says:

    Update:
    Qatar says it sold missile seized by Italian police to ‘friendly nation’ in 1994
    “Qatar is working very closely now with the pertinent parties, including Italy, to unveil the facts and it is very concerned as to how a missile sold 25 years ago ended up in the hands of a third non-state party,” said Qatar foreign ministry spokeswoman Lolwah al-Khater on Twitter.

    Khater said the seized Matra missile was sold by Doha “in 1994 in a deal that included 40 Matra Super 530 missiles to a friendly nation that wishes not to be named at this point of the investigation”.

    Messages intercepted by the police led them to investigate Del Bergiolo, who had sent photographs of the missile for sale through the WhatsApp messaging service.

    They [Italian Police] put him under surveillance before raiding his home and finding a stash of 26 weapons, including a Scorpion machine gun, 306 gun parts, including silencers and rifle scopes, and more than 800 bullets of various calibres.

    The French-made Mantra Super 530 F has a range of 25km, with an explosive charge of 30kg

    1. avatar Bierce Ambrose says:

      I’d kinda prefer to have non-state actors armed up than the state actors named. Just sayin.

    2. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

      Not too surprising, hardware like that gets ‘pilfered’ in shit-hole countries on a fairly regular basis.

      The US supplied the Afghan rebels with ‘Stinger’ (IIRC) Man-portable anti-air missiles, but they had a system to keep the thefts down. They made it clear to the Mujaheddin the only way they would get a new missile was to return the expended launcher tube to the CIA supplying them. That’s the only reason why the hundreds sent over there didn’t ‘vanish’ mysteriously…

  34. avatar MaddMaxx says:

    I’ve been posting here for months and today after composing a rather lengthy response to an idiot that does not know the difference between sarcastic and real shit (yeah you know who you are) and made personal comments about me against which I should be able to defend. I was bot checked and lost my post when the bot check failed to open.. If this site and the commentary herein is that serious then I’m obviously in the wrong place (not sarcasm)… See ya’ll in the funny papers..

  35. avatar AndyinMA says:

    For defense against bears, I would absolutely use this Super 530. Something like a sidewinder just doesn’t have the stopping power.

  36. avatar enuf says:

    I wouldn’t worry too much about a 25 year old air to air missile actually working as intended. The 66 pounds of high explosive contained inside it though, that’s the real worry.

    Some terrorist could have a grand time with all that KADAMNBOOM!!!! making material.

    On the other hand I’ve seen missiles for sale in military surplus. Of course, they were hollow inside, all the innards long ago removed. A guy I knew bought something similar and had it as a conversation piece in his living room.

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