Five women were attending the meeting of a home prayer group at a duplex apartment in Marion, Ohio last Thursday when the heavens opened up above them. Technically it was the ceiling that opened up above them, when the upstairs neighbor (not our very own Nick Leghorn, above) negligently fired a load of buckshot through his floor . . .
Following our esteemed Vice President’s advice, 59 year-old Terry Thacker keeps a double-barrel shotgun for home protection. According to police and marionstar.com, Thacker’s ‘Old Reliable’ was loaded with buckshot as he manipulated it in his second-floor duplex apartment.
The blast tore through his floor and into the apartment below, striking two of the congregants including an elderly women. Maybe the Big Guy Upstairs (not Thacker) was looking after the victims after all, because they were struck by multiple pellets but did not suffer life-threatening injuries.
The Marion Police Department responded with emergency medical personnel, but they didn’t over-respond. There were no MRAPs, flashbangs or lockdowns. Just a citation for Thacker for two counts of negligent assault. He didn’t get shot, and he didn’t even get arrested. [Can we get some more LEOs like this?]
“People just need to be careful when handling firearms” said Lt. Ed Brown of the Marion PD. Truer words were never spoken.
He’s been spared a trip to the hoosegow (for now) but we will show no such restraint. Thacker’s Unintentional Double Biden gets him a well-earned IGOTD award.
guess that answers any lingering questions about 00 buck overpenetrating walls. LOL.
A strong reminder that in an apartment down is not always a safe muzzle direction.
As long as the deterrence is credible. You have to be willing to use what you got in your own defense if push comes to shove.
For the most part street criminals look for easy marks and getting shot isn’t good for business.
Putting myself in their mindset, I know if I saw some white dude packing a Glock on his hip I’m not likely to attack him or try to rob him. I’d wait until he was long gone or move out of the area to find unarmed people.
Obviously this might not work against people out of their mind on drugs or just plain insane in the first place, but for most, deterrence is effective.
I pray to god for a sign that I should not be… BANG!
I may be fuzzy, but didn’t Death Race 2000 set the value for the elderly at 100 points?
Finger. Trigger. Do not touch one with the other until ready to fire. That is all.
I agree with you 100%.
But in the interest of giving him the benefit of the doubt, a lot of side-by-sides aren’t drop safe. If he had the hammers down on live shells and banged it hard enough on something while “manipulating” it….
It works for clear thinking criminals, no question. They’ll outright tell you it does. I asked a career burglar (out on probation) about that very thing last week and he told me: “Fuck that noise. If I think someone’s got a gun inside, I’ll move on to the next house.” The drugged out wankers, on the other hand, don’t always possess the faculties to make the distinction. Thus, bedside Mossberg.
Not too keen or restoring RKBA to some violent offenders, really. Like I tell a four year old: you abuse, you lose.
I’m not a bad guy, nor do I know any bad guys- so I can’t say with authority what they think.
But heres a discussion of a study from 1985 that shows 2/3s of prisoners would avoid a citizen or home they believe to be armed.
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2003/the-armed-criminal-in-america.aspx
I like IGOTD cause it used to be mostly people overlooking safety which lead to an unfortunate series of events. they used to be lessons. recently y’all seem to just be reporting darwin award candidates, criminals, and the sorta folks that are idiots in every possible way. but this is one of the more constructive ones. keep at it. maybe y’all should include each of the things that probably went wrong and how we all can avoid it. it would be really helpful for new shooters. heck, y’all taught me most of what i know about firearm safety when i started out. maybe include a “what went wrong” series of bullet points at the bottom. ya know, do it for the kids.
You’re saying it wrong, you are suppossed to say:
IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!11!!1!!THE CHILDREEEN!!!!
No need to thank me, just doing my job.
Is that the Fury P2X on that rifle?
I keep my Mossberg cruiser ready and point it at the floor whenever I’m moving it. I don’t have anyone living beneath me. If I blasted through the floor, I might hit my dirt bike in the basement and that would be heartbreaking, but if I blasted through the ceiling, I’d hit my in-laws. It’s a tough choice, but I think I’m doing it right.
With the chamber empty (“cruiser ready”), the odds of an ND are remote indeed.
I prefer to keep my wall-leaner with the action open and the tube full. It’s not cruiser ready to be sure, but I can be ready to do the business fast enough. The main advantage to me is that I can see that the chamber is empty.
Gordon I have a loaded pump shotgun 3ft. from me as I type. 5 in the magazine,safety engaged,none chambered. And that’s why someone would have a loaded ready to go shotgun. Of course I DON’T live above elderly ladies having a prayer meeting. I still don’t know if want a shell chambered & safely off stumbling out of bed at night.
Matt Barber’s words couldn’t be more true.
I made a bedside gun rack out of old curtain rods wrapped with duct tape. Secure as hell and the gun sits snugly against the mattress. Relevance? None. It’s just damn cool.
I think deterrence works to a limited level. Public square, sure, it’d be hard to think of a reason why a criminal would attack a gun carrying citizen. But then criminals aren’t always rational, are they?
Surprise attacks will never be eliminated, guns or no guns. The best that we can do is carry and be aware of our surroundings.
I don’t think we’ll ever have a quantifiable result, as it’s pretty impossible to track the “gun-deterrence” events. Criminals aren’t going to submit “I was going to rob this guy, but then I saw his gun on the hip, so I decided to go rob this old lady down the street.” That’s not going to happen.
There might be a little value to a survey of currently incarcerated criminals. You would have to trust they’re honest.
I’ve had an order in for the new polymer lever since mid-January. Delivery has been pushed back a couple of times since then. Latest word, as of my last correspondence with MGM, is that the Eagle Eye should finally be making its appearance at the end of March. This product will fill a much needed gap in the current marketplace(and my gun cabinet). I expect MGM to sell a ton of these if/when they finally have some to ship.
Maybe Columbians are just getting lucky and winning all these damn walther p22 contests?
FTW!
To Andrew, who “always make sure to hold the gun pointing towards you or at least the family pet when you pull the trigger to make sure its clear”, why don’t you practice pointing at yourself first, while I pray it’s loaded and chambered.
What, no laugh points for the ‘Unintentional Double Biden’ joke? I’m hurt, guys.
The thought of one Biden is enough to cause reverse peristalsis.
My take is irrelevant. What is relevant if the overwhelming data showing it does work as well as prison interviews with criminals who support that view.
But I don’t want a Walther P22.
Having lived in apartments in the past, I suspect that this is actually a case of “Prayer Group Rage”.
Excellent point. Is the District Attorney going to charge the shooter with a hate crime?
/sarcasm
“I was going to be given free reign to try and kill their gun,”
Free rein. Reign is rule, reins control a horse.
Out of curiousity- I went to the Santa Barbara County Sheriff webpage- there was no information on applying for CCW, nor would searches for permit, gun, ccw turn anything up.
Not surprising UCSB is situated in one of the most “progressive” areas of California. – here’s the Sheriffs policy take a couple years back:
http://www.independent.com/news/2013/jul/11/strict-stance-concealed-weapons/
Here’s the spin on the UCSB Chancellor comments, from the same local “indy” paper, spinning desperately that maybe rapes are up, because women are feeling more empowered to report it…
http://www.independent.com/news/2014/feb/28/ucsb-police-release-sketch-rape-suspects/#c115003
and a story about Santa Barbara County Sheriff Browns rationale – pre-Peruta:
http://www.calccw.com/Forums/general-ccw-discussion/236-santa-barbara-co-sheriff-bill-brown-no-issue.html
It must be difficult being the only man in the world with the gravitas, the insouciance, the charm and passion, able to sway legions of adoring fans to his viewpoint. The lilt of his ringing Home Counties accent, the cut of his tailored suit, the crisp click of his bold stride onto the world stage. If only he could run the country, nay, the world, be an emperor! Then justice would prevail, the little peasants would fall at his feet in worship, nations would offer him awards by the bushel.
“What, Security is coming for me? Unhand me you brute! Aaargh! You’ll pay for this! Mark my words, when I make my comeback it won’t be for this pissant little network, you’ll never work in Showbiz again!!”
(Thoughts and words running through PM’s mind).
Clearly his only future career move is to become the next James Bond villain.
Good. I was planning to vote for Todd tomorrow anyway, and if the NYT is wetting the bed over him, that’s all the better. My state senator Donna Campbell is running ads that show her shooting. She has an A+ TSCRA rating.
Correction: TSRA.
I was just on the TSCRA (cattle raisers) site checking their endorsements.
Now I get it– LOL!
Hello folks. Here is a photo of me holding a politically correct firearm, the kind that doesn’t kill babies. I made sure it was the safe kind of gun before I picked it up and aimed it. You see, I’m a gun owner. I own a gun. Sometimes I shoot it. Here’s the type of gun I like to shoot. I’m holding it here, as you can see. I would probably buy this gun, but I already own one, because as you know, I’m a gun owner. That’s a pretty nice gun. Did I say I own a gun already?
If he is pandering that hard, then I doubt his sincerity. If he is legit, his reputation should precede him.
It’s possible I just got lucky or something, but the three adjustments on my AA upper work perfectly. Normal has never failed me and cycles .223 and 5.56 so consistently that I find the brass stacked in a literal pile right where you’d expect it to be lke 8 feet away (if I’m staying still, of course, like shooting form a bench). It ejects more consistently than pretty much any gun I’ve shot before and I have never had a stoppage. With a suppressor on, the low mode on the gas block works perfectly. Ejected brass continues going the appropriate distance instead of getting kicked out with too much force. Without the can but with the gas block on low, it typically won’t cycle fully with .223 (won’t quite reset the trigger) and the brass basically just plops out. So there’s an obvious difference. 100% reliability with the can on. In the “off” mode, the action stays completely locked up. This is the best scenario for shooting suppressed and/or preventing your brass from flying away.
YES, it’s possible that I would prefer “infinite” adjustment or maybe twice as many clicks. However, for everything I’ve done so far the high/low options plus off option have worked absolutely perfectly, and that sure simplifies choices and switching between them without messing up. You can always run suppressed with the block on high, anyway, but it ejects the brass really hard and you get extra gas out the ejection port like in Nick’s video.
Incognito cracked me up with “We’re thinking of having it mounted.” He takes this week’s prize.
God, no matter which way you cut it, this situation is a nightmare. Assuming CT starts their door-to-door searches (which I am almost certain they will do), there are two ways the situation could play out. Option 1: Resistance. Enough bloodshed (on both sides) that the government realizes how serious people are about not rolling over. At the same time, that could be detrimental to our cause, giving the MSM a feeding frenzy. “See! See! We told you gun owners are bloodthirsty monsters!” While showing shots of the crying children of dead LEO’s carrying out unlawful orders. Hell, that might even be enough to pass strict gun control at the federal level. Even plenty of POTG would turn against our cause in disgust. Pathetic people who say, “I can’t believe you would kill people who are just doing their jobs!”, even though that is what happens. When we went to war with the Nazis, most of them were just kids who were conscripted. But they stood between our forces and Berlin. Exact same thing here.
Or, the second option would be scattered resistance, but mostly compliance. This is a far worse outcome in my opinion, because of what it would allow. The first option, while detrimental to the cause, would demonstrate that no matter what insane, draconian laws the government passes, they will have a hell of a time enforcing. It would make it clear that the American people won’t surrender in the face of strong-arm tactics. But if most people were to roll over, that would only pave the way for more draconian laws, because nobody would be willing to defend their rights.
It’s a tough decision, and one I worry most people won’t give the thought it deserves. I certainly don’t envy CT gun owners, because every single one of them is going to have to pick a side. Now is the time.
It really shouldn’t take nine minutes, forty eight seconds to advise people that if you own a weapon that has been deemed “illegal” by your government, don’t be stupid enough to store it in your own home.
It’s really not that complicated.
His point had nothing to do with the specifics of what he was saying. His point was that if you’re going to fight, fight smart. Plan, set the battle in a location where you are at an advantage, etc. If you do the stupid thing and wait until the heavily armed cops are in your home (with rifles, plate carriers, hundreds of rounds of spare ammo on each of them, and an MRAP outside on the street), then you can’t effectively resist. If you try, you’ll be be dead before you can even get off a single shot. No, better to fight smart.
Amazon has Enronized itself. It doesn’t really sell many products. Outside of E-books and other E-Products, Amazon is little more than a pass through broker. I have found that if you to directly to the merchant you will get a lower price most of the time than using Amazon.
This video has no practical advise. it was a waste of time for people that actually think there is a way around the law without breaking it.
Your only option, as this is a democracy, is to quit acting crazy and get support from people around you. then elect officials to support you. Quit acting like we live in a dictatorship and start using the greatest power this wonderful country has; just VOTE and get others with like minded views to VOTE!!
Then you won’t have to hide!!
I think if this thing starts to actually happen people are going to know about it really quick. Smart people will secure their property off site. Really smart people will sacrifice some of their property to the authorities when they come so that their name can be crossed off the list.
Its run by a bunch of hippies from Seattle. What did you expect?
I wonder how much longer before they get rid of the solvent trap adapters.
A little over 10% of Illinois residents are gun owners.
Clearly, most of the 90% aren’t as bright as residents of Kentucky or Indiana, where it seems 90% of residents are gun owners.
John
If you are a realtor in Illinois either vote the officers who run your organization out or stop paying dues. Cowardly and illogical policies diminish the public’s view of your fortitude and intelligence.
Things have gotten so boring on the AR front that I’ve moved onto installing fixed rifle stocks and a carry handle sight. I’m thinking about swapping grip colors to make one of them all black. May even go full bakelight foregrip! … Wish someone would just sell that Charon 3d printer receiver, that would spice things up. Maybe some leather panel grips too.
I expect it won’t be long before Hell-inois passes a law to require The People of the Gun to wear a little yellow six shooter on lapel under penalty of law.
Is there anywhere we can donate to their cause or legal fund?
As a citizen of Texas, I want to help. I pray for a peaceful resolution to these events and I want every CT Gun owner to know we stand with you!
What do you need to mask a good ‘ol gun confiscation? How about an escalating showdown with another superpower… Under which shell is the ruskie hiding? Nope, nope and nope! Too bad so sad you loose your gun.
Just say’n.
I recently bought a Sig 1911 Nightmare. I have taken it to the range 3 times, have put about 150-200 rounds through it each time, a mix of FMJ and JHP, factory mags and a Wilson Combat mag, and I have the exact same issues as above. So far I’m pretty disappointed. I’ve heard of break-in periods, but based on previous experiences with 1911s, this is ridiculous.
Holy crap, that Obama impersonator is good. Creepy good.
It’s not the 7.62×39 round that is the issue, it’s the crappy AK. I would much rather be shot by a .223 then a 7.62×39. I own both caliber guns and this is not an apples to apples comparison. The .223 round only wins out past 300 yards for accuracy reasons, not even close in one shot stopping power… This author probably thinks American cars are better than German precision beasts too…
I like Massad Ayoob’s take on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCZXZMYyRl4
Not sure if it’s to late to post this. I’m 1 of the women shot. It’s been over a year now. I still can’t believe he received no jail time. Its sad you can cause injury to someone and just get away with it.