After thousands of years of horrendous mistreatment, Indian women have finally had enough of being gang-raped and burned alive. TTAG is completely down with that, and we only wish that they had the same constitutionally-protected right of armed self-defense that all Americans (outside of NYC) still do. But we think that Indian gun manufacturer IOF (Indian Ordnance Factory) may be missing the point with their new ‘Nirbheek’ revolver. It claims to be specifically designed for women’s self-defense against rape, but I’m pretty sure the idea will go nowhere. The problem might be the ancient design, or it might be the caliber. Or then again it might be the price. Read on for the curious details.
Let’s start with the ancient design. The ‘Nirbheek’ is a break-open revolver, based largely on the iconic Webley design. The Webley started production in 1887 (yes, eighteen eighty-seven) and its Victorian engineering is quaintly Steampunk these days.
Here’s a knockoff of the original Webley Pocket Pistol in .38 S&W. If you think the .38 S&W is a bit anaemic, the Nirbheek is a .32. At least recoil won’t be an issue, although stopping power certainly will be.
So the design is prehistoric and the caliber is completely inadequate, but this gun might still have a place in the Indian civilian gun market (to the extent that it exists) if it were cheap. But it’s not: it sells for $2000 US. This would be a complete ripoff for a weak Saturday Night Special here, and it’s the price of a new car in India.
But why the stratospheric price? It’s made of titanium. Once again, the question “why?” comes to mind. Why resuscitate a Victorian gun in a flaccid caliber with space-age titanium construction?
…crickets….
Does anybody know the Hindi word for “FAIL?”
The .32 might not stop anyone, but it will probably take rape off of the mans mind. Which may or may not be a good thing.
Could it be that Matt in FL is FC (FirearmConcierge) on Reddit???
Private business. Their house, their rules.
1. Where is base camp for you guys?
2. I get in around lunch.
3. what time are we drinking?
Holy cow!
I kid you not. I have a leather belt that says ‘Made in India’ on it. Bought it at Kohl’s. and the kicker, it is the best brown leather belt I’ve ever owned.
OK, here’s where people can slam me for my various over-serious critiques:
When I see anything similar to an early Webley I want one. “I must resist.” It just looks like Watson’s revolver from the 1st Boer War, as in Holmes’ intoning “And Watson, bring your gun.” I want to stuff one in the pocket of my heavy Mack and be off into a 19th century London adventure. It’s probably similar in causation to the feeling many have about AK’s, Thompsons, or double rifles…Oh, hell, I want a Webley in .455 and a double rifle in .500 Nitro. I slip into reading-based nostalgia in a way I cannot with contemporary military items, which just seem like work tools.
“Registration of firearms seems an effective and non-threatening first step.” Followed shortly after by the more threatening step of confiscation, and subsequent registration of potentially dangerous persons, like former gun owners, libertarians, Jews, you get the idea…
Hey, it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao!
More like… Mayya lag gayi.
One of the reason I love living in the USA.
Maybe so. But India is still a lot better off than out neighbor down south where you don’t get a pistol of any caliber:
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Foaming bore cleaners changed my life. If I am really feeling lazy or completely beat after a day at the range, squirt some FBC, set timer on microwave for 1 hr, take nap, wake when timer goes off, rod out gun with dry patches, go back to sleep or head for the closest bar and grill.
No compromises until all infringements have been reversed. They (you know who they are) are out to get it all and all they should get is nothing.
I was at a range where this has happened.
Its not new here in Florida and Im sure its happened in a lot of other places.
The aftermath of a range cleanup is even enough to discourage a few folks from shooting.
I can tell you from personal experience. The chemical (bleach) smell is overwhelming in an indoor range. Even hours later.
So if Shooting Straight doesn’t want to have to mop up afterwards.
I don’t blame them one bit.
Not exactly business savvy IMO. Why not simply ban rentals to individuals who are alone and didn’t bring a personal firearm? Simple rule change. Profiling be damned.
What are the UPGRADES on the G2 and can the G1 be retro fitted ??? Looking at buying one this week at the local gun shop ! I think it might be a G1 as it does not have the light installed in the pump action !! Any ideas ??
I have never fired an HK, but I want one. Handled an HK$% at the LGS; it just fit. It felt immediately right at home. Raking the slide, it had an intense but smooth feel of perfectly matching machinery. I was indeed impressed.
Is that the “meh” face to go with the “meh” milspec trigger? 🙂 I have one of those triggers as well and it definitely gives me a meh after finally learning what a nice drop in AR trigger feels like. Ive been thinking about getting a Wilson Combat trigger lately, still unsure.
And since this isn’t “gun violence,” it simply won’t be counted by the most strident supporters of gun control. The reality that this women may have had a fighting chance with a handgun will go completely unnoticed. Ours is a sick world. That’s why I carry.
Carry a Charter Arms .38 Undercover DAO everyday everywhere , wife can shoot it too , live rurally , used to be a Deputy , know response time here so I am armed and ready at home and not ashamed of it .Don’t care for my family or myself being a statistic , would rather get rid of some of the slime that festers in our country . If everyone with no felony record could carry nationwide then most crimes of any type would decrease to almost nothing , with the upswing of ccw , it is a proven fact that crime rates have dropped already . Be prepared and ready. Keep your powder dry.
He wore ear plugs…. for a change.
It drives me nuts how a better rifle (with giggle switch) costs the military sub$400 per rifle, whereas the companies that manufacture them will charge civilians >$1000 for something less capable.
Nope,
“…Colt’s prices for the M4 began to steadily increase. In December 1999, Colt was charging $521 per M4 carbine (DAAE20-98-C-0082-P00011). By December 2002, Colt’s price for an US Army-configuration M4 carbine was $912 (DAAE20-02-C-0115-P00004). However, the Army was able to gain certain concessions over the years. In July 2006, Colt agreed to lower its prices, and begin to provide basic issue items like the Back Up Iron Sight (BUIS) and M4 Adaptor Rail System (ARS), which had formerly been provided to Colt as Government Furnished Material (GFM) (W52H09-04-D-0086-P00025). Before this concession, the price of the M4 and M4A1 had grown to $1,012 and $1,029, respectively (W52H09-04-D-0086-0040). Afterwards, the price of a basic M4 dropped to $815, and with Colt-provided BUIS and ARS only $1,142 (W52H09-04-D-0086-0040). At the time of the final sole-source delivery order in December 2010, Colt’s price was just over $1,221 per fully-equipped carbine (W52H09-07-D-0425-BR02 external link).”
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Colt-M4-Data-Rights-The-Individual-Carbine-Competition-06942/
Needs to be called ‘Safe Schools’, ‘Gun Safety Act’, or ‘Victims against violence act’… Haven’t you Republicans leaders learned anything?!? It is all in the name of the law. If it doesn’t have a nice name, they might actually want to read the law.
Once again, the Governor putting his hands on his ears, shaking his head side to side while eyes close and saying la la la la la la it works it works it works we saved lives we saved lives we saved lives! It’s no wonder why people are moving from that state.
When common sense contradicts the goals of a culture war, common sense loses. Unless it’s about “common sense” gun registration and such, of course.
Kyhber Pass copies?
noooooooo…………….
That is a thing of beauty.
I’m amazed, I must say. Seldom do I come across a blog that’s
both educative and entertaining, and without
a doubt, you’ve hit the nail on the head. The problem is something that not enough men and women are speaking intelligently about.
Now i’m very happy that I stumbled across this during my hunt for something regarding this.
Guys, the price of the revolver, is not because of its quality but because of the law in india. Its more like if i was to kill all the cows in US and ban import of cows completely, would i still sell the milk at a dollar? Exactly what the goverment did, import is banned and any caliber over .32 is prohibitted. So the selling price of a brand new revolver/pistol today is $1450. But to buy a second hand revolver its anywhere between $1950-$2100. And pistol anywhere between $2600-$2700. Why is second hand more expensive? again because the law in india which prohibits sale of a brand new weapon for first 5 years.
I looked into some Indian blogs on this subject, and I found that it is best to employ an agent to oversee your safe arrival at the factory city, help with the regulatory process, and ansure your safe return to the train station. These agents are said to be affiliated with or known to the local gangs, and will make sure you don’t get robbed and your weapon stolen on your way home. The gangs source most of their weapons in this way.
The guns will fire, but the poor quality ammunition may not.
Enjoy more Orlando like shoot outs.
Enjoy free gun culture. You deserve that.
And keep your mouth shut you don’t know a damn thing about indian social, political or any other aspect.
How can I get in touch with the factory in India?
[email protected]
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https://goo.gl/u3ISi0Its not true that only handguns of 22lr and 32 are allowed in India. You can get a handgun of any caliber if you have a license, except for 9mm parabellum, .38, .357, .45 ACP, .455 (rimmed), 9mm luger, .380 rimmed, 38 SW long, .45 rimless, .455, .476 as these are used by various police and military forces. However only .22lr, .32 SW long and .32 ACP are widely available at gun shops as these are common for competitions. Other caliber ammo is hard to find and import is not allowed.
Worst part of gun restrictions in India are that you have to deposit your firearm during elections every five year, and also during RIOTS !!!.
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