Home Crime and Punishment Incendiary Image of the Day: What Does This Tell You Edition Crime and PunishmentGun Nation Incendiary Image of the Day: What Does This Tell You Edition By Robert Farago - September 27, 2011 34 Facebook Twitter Pinterest WhatsApp Email ◀Previous Post Next Post▶ Firearms-related murders per 100k of population. I’d love to see a similar map of Mexico. Or maybe not. (courtesy guardian.co.uk) Make the jump for the image originally posted with this blog. ◀Previous Post Next Post▶ RELATED ARTICLESMORE FROM AUTHOR CHICAGO JUSTICE: Armed Home Invasion Nets A Few Weeks In Prison For Perp Who Was Shot In Butt Annette Evans Scares the Hell Out of the Gun Control Industry Fagan: New York City Can’t Arrest Its Way Back to Safety 34 COMMENTS It tells me California needs to outlaw open carry. They also need to ban “assault weapons” and register firearms. Reply They’ve already done both those things. As far as I’m concerned, an unloaded gun doesn’t count. Reply It tells me that California need to eliminate their stupid bans and waiting periods. In other words become more like Florida were I reside, and maybe that way criminals won’t dare to assault their fellow men cause this time they might actually have bullets on those guns their carrying. Reply Dear stateisevil, Truly, you jest, sir. Reply Since this only shows “total firearm murders” and California, Texas and NY have large populations, it looks like you have to click on each state to see the firearms murder rate. It also is problematic that IL decided not to supplement its data. Wonder why? Reply That image tells me that California, New York and Texas have the largest populations in the US. Give me murder rate per 1,000 inhabitants and we have a ball game. Reply *ding*. Reply appears the paper did a rate of per 100,000 but isn’t this one of the papers involved in the “Hacking” scandal over there? Can we really expect them to have journalistic integrity? Reply Nick: SWAPPED! Well, per 100k head of population. Reply Now it tells me I don’t want to live in Arkansas or Louisiana. The resolution really isn’t high enough to draw any conclusions. Although I already knew that… Reply Or Missouri.. Hey! Just one more reason not to live in Missery. Rock Chalk! MIZ-ZOU. God it’s good to live in the land of show-me and high murder rates. Just avoid the big cities… Umm, it tells me where the population centers of the US are. Number of murders is not a useful stat. Murder rate per capita is, though. Reply That’s a extremely misleading map. It should be firearm murders per X number of people. The current map skews the results, putting states with larger population at a disadvantage, and portraying them as more violent. Of course, this sets aside the dubious usefulness of singling out firearm-related murders from murders as a whole. EDIT: the interactive map allows you to choose between several viewing options. Reply The per/100K chart tells me that Maryland’s strict gun laws have done little to prevent “gun violence”. Reply On the Guardian interactive map — try “firearms murders as a percentage of all murders” — Now that is an interesting comparison. Plus, if you scroll through them — Florida has the lightest impact, in all categories of those states around it — and the most issued CCW permits per capita — Nah. That can’t be it … . Reply Gotta read the fine print – Notes • Florida figures not provided for gun murders • Total number of murders for which supplemental homicide data were received • Limited supplemental homicide data received from Illinois • Rates for robbery and assault are are calculated by the Datablog using US Census Bureau population figures SOURCE: FBI Reply http://mapscroll.blogspot.com/2009/04/is-us-becoming-third-world-country.html I wonder how many readers will find this even more incendiary. Granted it’s from 2009, but we can’t expect change for the better since then. Spurious? Reply Lies. Firearms assaults? Firearm robberies? Pretty sure those just show up as either Assault with a deadly weapon(could be a bat for all we know) or Robbery with a deadly weapon, the only state that has a separate law is Florida, which isn’t even on the map… Reply Maine is nice, and we are armed to the teeth (high firearms ownership rate). I know that there are parts of the state where the ownership rate is approaching 90%. Go figure. It is always interesting to watch different people parse these kind of statistics based on their own bias. Reply Yep. I think the most honest reading of most of these statistics is that a societal level, firearms laws are a drop in the bucket compared to poverty, population density, and culture. Criminals will take gun acquisition more seriously than the general public, and even if they don’t, baseball bats are still more effective criminal weapons than they are self defense weapons. I kind of want to see these maps with all gang-on-gang kills removed. Sure, they’re something like 2/3s of shootings, but they’re usually very geographically localized, and the solution as a citizen to avoiding the majority of them is “don’t be in a gang.” Reply i wish the red color on this map of the old line state would get through to elected people in my state capital (Annapolis) that we need to change our CCW policy to “shall issue.” Reply There’s too few elected officials in Annapolis to do that for us. The current government of MD will have to be dragged kicking and screaming by the SCOTUS into “Shall Issue” Reply I’m no numbers whiz, but I think you’d have to do a correlation between firearms deaths and the poverty level to get any meaningful statistical analysis. It’s fairly easy to cherry pick numbers, taking lies, damned lies and backing them up with statistics. But any way you spin it, I don’t wanna be livin’ in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia. Reply HEY! I live here and have a CCW. Yes, the politics is too progressive, but there are good pockets to live in. 🙂 Reply I would like to see the breakout by county. For example, I bet Cook County (Chicago) has a lot higher rate the rest of the state. Reply What would you expect from that paper, in the UK, in a land that was disarmed, where steak knives are not allowed to have sharp points. Remember that journalists are not infallible, most times they don’t have fundamental knowledge of the eccentricities of the subject matter they are writing about, so in the process of twisting facts and swaying opinion they occasionally get it wrong. In other words they don’t understand the bullshit enough to know what they are talking about. Reply Is that a Mercator Projection or are you just happy to see me? Reply Gotta love Washington state, birthplace of “Shall Issue”. Reply I’m no mathmatical wiz, but if you go from Cali with a 2-5 chance per 100k of being murdered with a firearm and then go to Missouri you have a 5-8 per 100k chance of being murdered with a firearm, is it really that big of a difference? Reply Incendiary? Not really. Nothing earth shattering here. Percentages are always more telling than raw totals. Correlation and causation aren’t the same thing. Let’s not fall into the fallacy trap. Reply LEAVE A REPLY Cancel reply Please enter your comment! Please enter your name here You have entered an incorrect email address! Please enter your email address here Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.