A TTAG reader sent the following email to the NRA and SIG SAUER:
I like SIG. So much so that I bought my own when my my agency switched to one from the Beretta 92. But I do not like the new full-page ad I just saw in my April edition of NRA’s American rifleman. Below a photo of a police team executing a forced entry is the copy, “BUILT FOR THOSE WHO REQUIRE NO INTRODUCTION.” There are many appropriate things to celebrate about our police forces when trying to sell a firearm . . .
but no-knock raids shouldn’t be one of them, especially considering the plethora of botched “no-introduction” raids in our country’s recent history and their often shaky Constitutional standing. Please change your ad and remove this celebration of organized intimidation and brute force.
Respectfully,
My Real Name
Hitler’s army -> legal guns. Victims army -> illegal guns. So any american who continues to preach the “legal gun only shit” know I am against you and others like you. Obviously the Holy BIble, the US Constitution, and Common Sense all call ownership, carry, defense LEGAL, the abuse of them ILLEGAL. How did they make them illegal in your warped minds? They spoke. They spoke. That was it. Stroked a pen. Stroked a pen. That never made GOD’s laws, the US Constitution void, altered, added to, or subtracted, just another american waving a flag on my soil which is black and red with yellow markings. It is now time for anyone who differentiates a legal gun from an illegal gun to get check into the sanitarium and either get off the drugs, or get on some. ————————— “guns are inanimate objects, blame the criminal, not the LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN” ————————— replace
“guns are inanimate object, neither assault, nor defensive, legal nor illegal, blame the evil, corrupt abusers, not the just, righteous, moral keepers” — FIXED
Good catch and call.
No, we should not.
Unless I can have one [an MPX], too, I’m not interested.
I liked how every time they mentioned the AR-15, it would cut to a clip of IWI’s ACE-23
The marketing dude was “It’s accurate, reliable…” blah blah.
He obviously doesn’t understand the market, people buy unreliable inaccurate guns all the time. It is from the IDF, who are looked upon quite positively by the US gun market, and it is new strange design.
The real question is will be last? All the prior new hotnesses dropped out of favor in a couple of years. The SCAR is the only one that still gets any descent sales, but even that pales in comparison to AR-15s.
yeah, not good.
Even if the ad agency came up with this “brilliant” headline, you have to wonder if the client was sleeping when they okayed it.
Hey I hear you can even get full auto Tavors now too! Just contact a Mr Leland Yee in CA. He’ll hook you up for the right price.
These guys get it. Starting at 1:35 “..the Civilian market in the US is bigger than all the military and law enforcement market in the world.” ‘Merica
Then at 3:02 I heard a reporter say “I can remember my M16” and I burst out laughing. With joy.
I know nothing about the weapon but that was awesome.
Acc to Wiki
No knock warrants increased from 3000 in 1981 to over 50,000 in 2005!!
Can we get some kind of Lottery to win one of these things. I swear to all things holy, I’ll read every day, put in 7 minutes per article, and shine your shoes real bright and shiny. Please don’t make me beg.
So I couldn’t find a main corporate email address, admittedly I only took 10 minutes of searching before I decided to email this letter to the Law Enforcement Sales department:
“To whom it may concern,
Your advertising slogan for the MPX line is highly offensive and controversial by promoting a divide and a war between law enforcement and civilians, specifically the line, “Built for those who require no introduction.” At a time in the United States where there are an increasing number of innocent people being hurt and killed by law enforcement SWAT teams utilizing “no knock” warrants, this is not the type of advertising I would think Sig Sauer would like to use in publications such as American Rifleman. I fully understand the intent of the weapon and the fact that it is restricted to LEO and government purchase, but you are not using that advertising only in publications and sites that are restricted to those people. The tagline is on your own publicly accessed website as well!
“No knock” warrants are a product of the failed drug war and have contributed to the militarization of many police departments across the United States. This divide is only become wider with each passing day, especially as those groups and politicians who are vehemently against the Second Amendment rights of U.S. citizens push for more and more gun control. The rhetoric engage by these groups is only inflaming the normal every day gun owners of America, as it is intended to do. Sig Sauer is a fantastic manufacturer of fine firearms, so do you really want to alienate and enrage most of your customers? Do you also think that you will be able to maintain profit by only supplying municipal and other governmental agencies? Some towns, such as Jersey City, N.J. are starting to question the manufacturers; who they sell to, what safety “issues” they may have, do they support draconian gun control laws, etc., etc.
I do hope you reconsider using this advertising campaign for your MPX line of firearms. As I stated before, I have no problem with the intent and the design of the weapon, nor its intended user. I would love to have one for my own shooting hobby, which of course is not possible due to a ridiculous U.S. law. Unfortunately, the advertising is beginning to receive some negative attention from the civilian gun owners and hobbyists online, and will probably spread. The particular advertising is nothing more than a poor choice of words, and again I hope you reconsider.”
Figured I’d let my voice be heard and give Sig a chance to change before I have the chance to buy one, otherwise I’ll be spending that money on another company.
“U.S. civilian market is bigger than all of the law enforcement and military markets for all of the world.” Wow. I knew that firearms was big business in the states, but that puts a very special perspective on who we are as a people. There is a reason that the antis have been “brainwashing” people for at least two generations about the “evils” of firearms (thinking back to a time when people could walk the halls of their schools with a firearm without going on lockdown shows how far the antis’ agenda has progressed). You can’t take over a people who has the means to put an end to your reign.
When people realize that the fiat promises their elected leaders used to buy their votes will not be honored, I hope that there are parts of this country who continue to hold the American exceptionalism values of the founding fathers to heart and create regions that resemble what this country used to be about.
I’ve found it’s typically senior officers who don’t want enlisted personnel carrying weapons for defensive reasons on base. I see no bad things happening if service members were allowed to carry on base.
Pop pop ping. Music to my ears.
Manly.
I think Tyler can increase his score by decreasing his time thusly:
– hold the en-bloc clips on his person in a position where he can access them with his right hand. Bandolier or right-side carry somewhere.
– load the Garand the way it was meant, with the right hand only, using the outer edge of the palm to hold the bolt back and the right thumb to push the clip down into the magazine well.
– this would allow him to at least hasty-sling the rifle with his left arm for better, more stable off-hand shooting.
I was thinking the same thing. I have shot with enough guys that were trained on the Garand, and those guys could really load those rifles in a hurry!!
Cool PING! I love it. I once did an entire Appleseed shoot with a 1941 Johnson, just to say I had. 250 rounds later I was one whipped puppy. The guys that shot these things every day in combat were tougher men than I will ever be.
I just wanted to say that as an active duty military member I am effectively without my 2nd amendment right to posses a firearm for personal protection for my entire duty day. That includes my travel to and from base, so in reality every moment I step out of my house during the week. This is because I cannot bring a weapon onto base. I am denied my right of self preservation because of this. My only option to be armed on my commute would be to park outside the visitor center and walk four miles to my unit.
I feel that I have less gun rights than the average citizen…
The really cool part is knocking on the door, saying “police search warrant” and waiting the 45 seconds as required before busting the door. That 45 seconds is the best part. . .
The brownshirts were the community activists for the Nazi party. When things were coming together for the party and the community activists were looking to reap the reward of their hardwork, they got the shaft.
Beware ye, Obama for america groups! Hear the lesson of history!
Oh thats right, you get O care too!
As for the threats, lets have some more action, words are cheap.
I’d love to have one but it looks like the gun from Hell if you are left handed as I am. Hot brass to the face.
That’s awesome…SBR like performance from AR pistols now. I wonder if the ruling would be the same, shoulder firing an AR pistol with a CAA side saddle added to the buffer tube? I’m assuming so, as it’s even less of a “stock-like” apparatus than the Sig brace is.
Add a bump fire trigger to it and you essentially have a tax free full auto SBR.
Just remember: don’t bring a knife to a bunfight.
I wonder if building a “plug” for the back to remove the air gaps would still constitute “using the accessory improperly”? It would be easy to 3D print such a piece, even have mounts for pads.
Has our civilian “leadership” forgotten that we are in a de facto war? Jihadists have declared war on us, and are waging a war of terrorism against us. That fact alone should justify an increase in armed military personnel on our military bases, a tempting target for these fanatics.
The increased security of discouraging, or swiftly ending, the insane acts of violence and murder by the mentally unbalanced is a secondary benefit of broadening that armed population.
I have one on my pap M92. Its actually a pretty good stock… especially when you attach a 2 inch wide sling mount to the brace tube, effectively lengthening the pull by 2 inches.
me thinks the good general (retired) is worrying about getting fragged. . . . . maybe so
Unfortunately, Obama and his cronies are only part of the problem.
There’s an entire species of subhuman primordial ooze, identified by metal growths on their clothing shoulders . They closely imitate decorated military officers, but are in fact an entirely different species. This ooze advances in position by cronyism, by politics, and by sliding from one command to another.
The ooze has no credibility, no integrity, and no honor.It simply feeds on the careers of honest men, and seeks to devour more. One example can be seen in the posted video.
I’ll just keep my mouth shut on this one.. and maybe pick up a new accessory. Or three.
Has there been any updates to this appeal?
Since I was unable to serve in the military, can someone explain to me why all personnel are unarmed on military bases? It would seem to me that they should be armed, they are military, after all. Police are always armed, why not military?
if they falsely claim to be a vet, they’ll be considered violators of the Stolen Valor Act.
Not at all. The Stolen Valor Act only applies if they falsely claim that they received certain military decorations with the intention of obtaining money or other tangible benefit from the false claim. It’s a fraud statute.
this is a safe act i can support!
This thread had, in several cases I do believe, revealed who the anti-Second Amendment folks really are hanging out on this site.
They just could not restrain themselves and managed to come out of the closet and out themselves.
Hilarious stuff.
Metal detectors are a non-starter. The amount of metal on the average uniform would require a soldier or sailor to strip to the skivvies to pass through.
Of course, this doesn’t even touch on the gun hidden in the car. As it is, it can take a significant amount of time to get through the gate with the guards only checking valid stickers and ID cards. There is simply no way that they could search every car that passes.
Anyone who thinks that we can keep guns out of a base is living in fantasy land.
The first time I saw this ad it p!ssed me off. I already think Sig makes ugly pistols, but it wasn’t till the ad that I firmly decided I would never own a Sig product. How could a gun company be so out of touch with the current political climate or the concerns of American gun owners?
I purely love logical fallacies! There are may variations, and once you know them they are so easy to see through!
For a primer on logical fallacies see: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Charlie
As the son of a postal worker and a former gas attendant who once met the guy who played Arnold Horshack, I can state, in no uncertain terms, that anti-gun folks get more annoying by the day. And I’d stake my reputation on that.
“You will RESPECT! MAH! AUTHORI-TAH!!”
What’s the difference in lock downs and the Duck and Cover crap we went thru in school? I managed to survive my childhood with only a few minor quirks and I’ll bet most of these kids will too.
Please Someone Lets Change Topics its More than Evident to ALL OF US OTHER THAN JARED WE MAY WELL BE TALKING TO A TWO YEAR OLD. if ignored for a short period generally they will find something else to entertain themselves but to keep stooping to his level truly doesn’t show Plays Well With Others. Seems almost racist to jerking around someone whom evidently was dealt a full deck. Waiting for TTAG Facts Please!!
Getting a Garand before they run out is why I’m getting back into shooting. 🙂 Step 1 was to take my CHL, that’s processing now. Step 2 is to join a rifle club that counts towards the CMP, and Step 3 is to convince my wife to let me spend the $700 on the Garand (hard after I’ve spent about $1000 in the last month or so on gun-related things, including purchasing a Mosin). I plan on having a nice variety of history in terms of action – the Mosin and my old 22 for bolt action, my lever action 30-30, a pump action (shotgun), and then semi-auto action: Garand, a new Ruger 10/22 (still to purchase), and then maybe purchase a more “modern” weapon down the road, AK/AR etc.
I had to, after i was going through a rough patch my doctor prescribed me some anti-anxiety meds, which I HAD to declare on my licence renewal. The RCMP refused to issue my renewal until I got a doctors note saying HE did not object to me owning firearms. I took those meds for less then a week, I hated how they made me feel.